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6th Dec '16 1:21:12 PM neoamon
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[[WMG: The main villain of the Han Solo movie will be Thrackan Sal-Solo.]]
Thrackan Sal-Solo will be played by Harrison Ford because Thrackan looks and sounds like an older version of his cousin Han Solo. Thrackan will be trying to conquer their home planet.
23rd Nov '16 9:25:12 AM Ambaryerno
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[[WMG: Needa's Execution]]
Captain Needa, who by all accounts attempted to do something noble in shielding his crew from Vader's wrath by taking responsibility personally for losing the ''Falcon'', paid for it with his life. But why did he lose the ''Falcon'' in the first place? Needa suffered from the same overconfidence and arrogance that Ozzel did which tainted his judgement. His lack of knowledge regarding unconventional tactics as well as his inability to conceive of any other situation other than the Falcon getting away the moment it disappears from the ''Avenger's'' scopes leads to him giving up too quickly which actually ''does'' give the ''Falcon'' the time it needs to escape. Boba Fett however knows better (having seen a similar trick used by Kenobi just prior to the Clone Wars) and patiently waits for them to inevitably reveal themselves, essentially turning the trick back on Han. This is why Vader employs him and the other bounty hunters in the first place, they are not part of the Imperial military which has begun to stagnate and allowed officers like Ozzel and Needa rise to their positions and sit comfortably there. Needa is a perfect example of what was wrong with the Empire at its core: a lack of imagination and inability to innovate, improvise, and think on the fly. All things Vader himself values and ''excels'' at.
* The problem is this ''does not'' fit the sequence of events in the film itself:
## The ''Falcon'' makes her close pass at ''Avenger's'' bridge.
## Needa immediately issues orders to track them for their next pass.
## A member of the sensors crew alerts him that the ''Falcon'' no longer appears on their scopes.
## Needa is incredulous, pointing out the ''Falcon'' couldn't have disappeared.
## The first crewman's report is corroborated by a second crewman
## ''Before Needa can respond'' the communications officer reports that Vader is requesting an update on the pursuit.
## Needa orders his first officer to ''continue searching the area'' before departing for his fateful meeting with Vader.
* At ''no point'' does Needa even have an opportunity to do anything after the ''Falcon'' vanishes. Vader contacts him within ''moments'' of her disappearance, and you don't put the Dark Lord on hold to run sensor scans.
9th Nov '16 10:22:18 AM nombretomado
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But not the traditional version of him, rather the severely flawed Jesus depicted in ''JesusChristSuperstar''. There are a number of parallels between Anakin and Obiwan's relationship, especially in ''RevengeOfTheSith'', and Jesus and Judas in ''Superstar''. In fact, ''[=RotS=]'' has several plot points in common, such as the concern over what if the Jedi council found out about Anakin and Padme, compared with Judas worrying about the Romans finding out about Jesus and Mary Magdalene, Anakin turning to the dark side being set off by the Jedi council asking him to spy on Palpatine, compared with what Jesus found at the temple, and Obiwan being forced to betray Anakin, his best friend, with Judas' forced betrayal of Jesus.

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But not the traditional version of him, rather the severely flawed Jesus depicted in ''JesusChristSuperstar''.''Theatre/JesusChristSuperstar''. There are a number of parallels between Anakin and Obiwan's relationship, especially in ''RevengeOfTheSith'', and Jesus and Judas in ''Superstar''. In fact, ''[=RotS=]'' has several plot points in common, such as the concern over what if the Jedi council found out about Anakin and Padme, compared with Judas worrying about the Romans finding out about Jesus and Mary Magdalene, Anakin turning to the dark side being set off by the Jedi council asking him to spy on Palpatine, compared with what Jesus found at the temple, and Obiwan being forced to betray Anakin, his best friend, with Judas' forced betrayal of Jesus.
25th Oct '16 6:46:47 PM nombretomado
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"A certain point of view"? Right. It can be used for good or for evil, sure, but that doesn't justify mystical claptrap about the "Dark Side" of the Force. A screwdriver can be used for good or for evil, but you don't hear carpenters giving their apprentices ominous warnings about The Dark Side Of The Screwdriver. (Though if they did, then there would probably be a lot more carpenters.) This view has been argued for by Luke Skywalker (in the ExpandedUniverse) and GeorgeLucas himself.

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"A certain point of view"? Right. It can be used for good or for evil, sure, but that doesn't justify mystical claptrap about the "Dark Side" of the Force. A screwdriver can be used for good or for evil, but you don't hear carpenters giving their apprentices ominous warnings about The Dark Side Of The Screwdriver. (Though if they did, then there would probably be a lot more carpenters.) This view has been argued for by Luke Skywalker (in the ExpandedUniverse) and GeorgeLucas Creator/GeorgeLucas himself.
19th Oct '16 7:54:31 PM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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[[WMG: Palpatine's power was killing him.]]
His decrepit and aged state is suggested to be a direct result of massive dark side immersion, and couldn't have been healthy. Despite being one of the most powerful Force users known, the power of the dark side was too much and Palpatine was suffering from a gradual SuperpowerMeltdown. The only reason he didn't keel over was because of the advanced medical technologies at his disposal, what he may have learned from Plagueis and possibly the increase of the Dark Side's power with his victory. By the time of the original trilogy, he was probably relying on organ cloning and hidden prosthesis to survive. Certainly explains his interest in immortality asides from a fear of death.




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[[WMG: The Hutts aren't AlwaysChaoticEvil, they just have shitty leadership.]]
Every single Hutt we've seen may be criminal, but every single one of them is part of a Hutt cartel. They're high ranked. We haven't really seen a middle class Hutt, so it's possible that your average Hutt can be as good or evil as an other sentient. It's just that the Hutt government is either corrupt or the most powerful and influential Hutt organization is the criminal empire.
19th Oct '16 6:34:13 PM dlchen145
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** So, we have two infants. They train 'em the "traditional" way, and it'll get the wrong kind of attention. So, they take a gamble. Set one up with an ally - change her name, put her on one of the Core Worlds, give her all the military, diplomatic, and political training, browbeat in the sense of duty...everything aside from the Force use. Now, take the other, give him NO training at all. Hide him ''right'' where you'd expect your foe to look (middle of nowhere, Anakin's home planet, and with Anakin's stepbrother!). Plant your spy (Obi-Wan) there, and just wait. Because of the Rule of Two, there are only two Sith to worry about at any given time. Sooner or later, (according to plan) Vader or Palaptine would make a move and grab the boy for an apprentice. This would cause the inevitable DuelToTheDeath that establishes Sith leadership, leaving ONE BadAss level Sith and (maybe) a green apprentice that could be easily killed by two Jedi Masters. After pulling this stunt, they could successfully pull a ButThouMust on Leia, who would no doubt take it and accept the orthodox Jedi principles out of duty.

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** So, we have two infants. They train 'em the "traditional" way, and it'll get the wrong kind of attention. So, they take a gamble. Set one up with an ally - change her name, put her on one of the Core Worlds, give her all the military, diplomatic, and political training, browbeat in the sense of duty...everything aside from the Force use. Now, take the other, give him NO training at all. Hide him ''right'' where you'd expect your foe to look (middle of nowhere, Anakin's home planet, and with Anakin's stepbrother!). Plant your spy (Obi-Wan) there, and just wait. Because of the Rule of Two, there are only two Sith to worry about at any given time. Sooner or later, (according to plan) Vader or Palaptine would make a move and grab the boy for an apprentice. This would cause the inevitable DuelToTheDeath that establishes Sith leadership, leaving ONE BadAss badass level Sith and (maybe) a green apprentice that could be easily killed by two Jedi Masters. After pulling this stunt, they could successfully pull a ButThouMust on Leia, who would no doubt take it and accept the orthodox Jedi principles out of duty.



[[NeverFoundtheBody Did you see a body?]] No. And this time? He'll be {{Badass}}.

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[[NeverFoundtheBody Did you see a body?]] No. And this time? He'll be {{Badass}}.badass.



The reason why the portrayal of Anakin's character in that trilogy was so controversial was by this point, Vader completely despises himself. And he is painting himself as a [[CheerfulChild too-cheerful-for-his-own-good child]] in Episode 1 and a [[{{Wangst}} too-whiny-for-his-own-good adult]] in Episodes 2 and 3. Not only was he exaggerating his character, but others as well. Such as Qui-Gon carrying the crux of the duel on Naboo as he gallantly fought Darth Maul to his end (can be assumed that Obi-Wan also gave Anakin his account on the duel) and Padme being a {{Badass}} to the point of being a female Series/MacGyver.

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The reason why the portrayal of Anakin's character in that trilogy was so controversial was by this point, Vader completely despises himself. And he is painting himself as a [[CheerfulChild too-cheerful-for-his-own-good child]] in Episode 1 and a [[{{Wangst}} too-whiny-for-his-own-good adult]] in Episodes 2 and 3. Not only was he exaggerating his character, but others as well. Such as Qui-Gon carrying the crux of the duel on Naboo as he gallantly fought Darth Maul to his end (can be assumed that Obi-Wan also gave Anakin his account on the duel) and Padme being a {{Badass}} badass to the point of being a female Series/MacGyver.
17th Oct '16 11:32:00 PM matti23
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If Jyn Erso's father was being coerced into designing the death star, he might have played a part in leaking the plans to the rebels. In one of the trailers he says "whatever I do... I do to protect you". Maybe he has to help the empire or something terrible will happen to Jyn. He's also mentioned as being critical in the development of the Death Star. He might be trying specifically to show them the thermal exhaust port he placed into the design of the Death Star so they can destroy it. Matti23

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If Jyn Erso's father was being coerced into designing the death star, he might have played a part in leaking the plans to the rebels. In one of the trailers he says "whatever I do... I do to protect you". Maybe he has to help the empire or something terrible will happen to Jyn. He's also mentioned as being critical in the development of the Death Star. He might be trying specifically to show them the rebels the thermal exhaust port he placed into the design of the Death Star so they can destroy it. Matti23
17th Oct '16 11:31:10 PM matti23
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17th Oct '16 11:30:17 PM matti23
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[[folder: Jyn Erso's father purposely placed the weak point in the Death Star]]
If Jyn Erso's father was being coerced into designing the death star, he might have played a part in leaking the plans to the rebels. In one of the trailers he says "whatever I do... I do to protect you". Maybe he has to help the empire or something terrible will happen to Jyn. He's also mentioned as being critical in the development of the Death Star. He might be trying specifically to show them the thermal exhaust port he placed into the design of the Death Star so they can destroy it. Matti23
14th Oct '16 12:33:56 PM psionycx
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* This would seem to be validated onscreen, at least at a local level. The one time the Jedi go into battle as a large group in ''Attack of the Clones'', they are a RedShirtArmy and go down like punks. They later fail spectacularly at defending themselves from clonetroopers within their own temple in the next film. Obi-Wan seemed more effective in fighting Darth Maul by himself in ''The Phantom Menace'' than when he and Qui-Gon were doing so together. Mace Windu brings three other Jedi Masters with him to confront Palpatine in ''Revenge of the Sith'', and Palpatine seems to have a huge advantage until he kills all three, at which point the fight between him and Windu becomes more balanced. This makes it appear that the available Force power in a given area is finite, and the more people who are drawing upon a particular side of the Force in that area diminishes the power available to them collectively.
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