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23rd Nov '17 12:47:59 PM thespecialneedsgroup
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The Cardassians, lagging behind the other great powers, can't spare their regular military from the front lines. So, they created Gul Macet's division, gave them crappier ships, and set them on the Federation border, since no one expected the peace-loving Federation to launch a first strike. The Cardassian Militia (called so in "Ensign Ro") are used to patrol safe sectors and keep an eye on the populace, while the real military is responsible for newly-captured planets. That's why all of the Cardassians in Deep Space Nine flashbacks have the sleek black armor.

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The Cardassians, lagging behind the other great powers, can't spare their regular military from the front lines. So, they created Gul Macet's division, gave them crappier ships, and set them on the Federation border, since no one expected the peace-loving Federation to launch a first strike. The Cardassian Militia (called so in "Ensign Ro") are used to patrol safe sectors and keep an eye on the populace, while the real military is responsible for newly-captured planets. That's why all of the Cardassians in Deep Space Nine flashbacks have the sleek black armor.armor.

[[WMG: The Cytherians from the TNG episode the Nth Degree are God from Star Trek V...they just lightened up]]
* We know that in Star Trek V Sybok was contacted by something that drove him mad and made him obsess about finding God at the center of the galaxy. He has to use his advanced brain powers he gets from these visions to figure out how to get the Enterprise through the Great Barrier at the center of the galaxy. They meet God, a big floating head with amazing powers and anger issues. A generation later: Lt. Barclay is hit by something that warps his mind, gives him advanced mental abilities and he uses them to get the ship to the center of the galaxy where they meet...a big floating head with amazing powers. Just this time, the head is really chill. Sounds to me like the same thing.
** No. The problem was Sybok and Kirk went down to the planet surface itself. Apparently the Cytherians are just VERY VERY xenophobic yet curious. So they called Sybok and went he, in his arrogance, beamed down the Cytherian ambassador freaked the fuck out on him. When Picard showed up this time the Cytherians figured out to just project the head to them instead of risking them coming down.
** Maybe they were two different heads. Maybe the Cytherians explore space independently of each other. One of them was a real asshole, and Kirk blew him up. So the Cytherians promote a different big floating head to explore space for them who has a much friendlier philosophy and decides to check out that Federation again and see what's there this time. Which is why a generation later the next big floating head had never heard of humans before.
** Portal, the portal for the Tkon Empire appeared as a giant floating head as well. Theories?
** Maybe the Cytherians were from Oz and wanted to give that giant floating head trick a go. It worked like a charm on the Star Trek crew.
*** So Star Trek V was just a very badly done version of Wizard of Oz?
*** They could've replaced the Lion with a Klingon, the tin man with Spock, Dorothy with Kirk...however no one on the Enterprise needed a brain.
** Maybe "God" was a super-powerful, criminally insane Cytherian? His essence was imprisoned in a receptacle and placed on the planet within the Great Barrier to keep his powers in check and prevent him from contacting anyone. Only Sybok's mind was unusual enough to catch his signal. To answer Kirk's question, God needed a starship to carry the receptacle out of the Barrier, where he could free himself from it.

[[WMG: Dr.Paul Manheim saw the Prophets]]
* In the episode "We'll Always Have Paris" Professor Paul Manheim had theories of non-linear time. He eactivated an experiment taht opened a tear in time. After experiencing the tear in time he was rambling and incoherent and said he couldn't stay focused in one time. He later described it as full of colors that he couldn't describe. Then he said that there were beings in there, beings they couldn't comprehend. Sounds like the Prophets to me.

[[WMG: The replicator and transporter on the enterprise are far bigger than the replicator and transporter rooms]]
* It possible that the terminal that we see Picard ordering tea out of is only a tiny part of a really huge machine. Maybe the enterprise has a single, enormous replicator machine hidden in its walls that services the entire ship and the terminals are just outlets for it. The transporter could likewise be far larger than the transporter room, extending between the walls upwards, downwards and into the walls of the surrounding rooms.
** Janeway does once say they can't trade those technologies because they were hard wired in, so that would fit. I am now taking this as fannon.
** The minimum size can at least fit in the walls of a shuttle though, but those may have very limited capabilities compared to the ship board ones.
** Perhaps it's not so much that the Federation builds systems into their buildings and ships so much as their buildings and ships ARE huge complex machines that have enough room inside of them for people to walk around in.
*** So it's not that there is a central replicator machine but more like the entire replicator mechanism is designed to form part of the super structure of a ship. Same with the transporter and of course warp engines.
** Seska did once trade a replicator to the Kazon that was a small piece of equipment and they installed it on their ship. Of course it did blow up when they tried to use it and kill everybody on board, even fusing men into the bulkheads of the ship Kitty Pryde style. So the terminal isn't enough to make it work, but the terminals are damned well dangerous.
** Maybe the rarely seen site to site transport device is obviously a very sophisticated and hard to manufacture technology which is why we've only seen two or three and either a) can be so small because it's a one time use only device, b) is actually not itself a transporter unit but just like a remote control activator for other transporters.
*** I always figured the site to site transporter works by keeping the pattern for a transporter in its buffer, so that rally what it does is transport a small transporter to your target coordinates, that transporter then transports you to it and then dissovles back into the buffer of the site to site transporter.

[[WMG: The Cardassian Peace Treaty was so crappy because of the parasites]]
* When Picard and Riker stopped the parasite conspiracy it left the interior of the Federation vulnerable and the leadership of starfleet decimated. The new leadership needed to move fast to protect the now exposed interior of the Federation. The Cardassian Peace Treaty was less about protecting the border worlds and really was all about protecting the interior in a rush. Of course they couldn't tell anyone this, so to everyone else it just looks like a stupidly made treaty. To be able to pull back all their warships to the core worlds the Federation just looked at the space map, drew a line at the extent they could patrol, regardless of which planets fell on what side, and called it a treaty. The Cardassians signed because they actually gained alot of the worlds they had been fighting for anyway, plus the war was ruining their economy.
** Though if Dukat gives us an insight into the Cardassian military way of thinking we can see why they military would be bitter about ending the war through this treaty because it was not a true victory. A true victory is to make your enemy see they were wrong to have opposed you in the first place, to force them to acknowledge your greatness. This didn't happen, they signed a treaty, like equals, or worse because they were not strong enough to continue the fight.
** The main problem with this theory is we have years for the parasite conspiracy's unravelling, the armistice agreement between the Federation and the Cardassians and the formal full peace treaty -- 2364, 2367 and 2370. Three years seems rather sedate for doing something in a rush -- ''however'', there was another devastating blow to Starfleet early in 2367, and if we assume Starfleet hadn't quite sorted out the aftermath of the conspiracy yet...

[[WMG: The holodecks malfunctioned so much in TNG because of a badly installed Jack In the Box]]
* In 'Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang' we are introduced to the concept of the jack in the box in a holodeck, a program hidden inside of a program designed to throw something unexpected against the users. Jack in the boxes are meant to be a sort of prank by holoprogrammers, and akin to a plot twist in holodeck adventure. When they installed the holodecks on the Enterprise D someone in the holodeck installation team had tried their hand at programming in a jack in the box. However their jack in the box had a glitch in it so that when it was activated the safeties shut off and other glitches would occur such as the perception filters failing.
** This discredited the original holodeck technology r&d team or process. Lewis Zimmerman rose to prominence in the wake of that. He instituted new types of holo-programming (unbeknownst to everyone else he is using the sentient moriarity program as the basic holotemplate resulting in sentient, sophisticated holograms), as well as a redesign of the holodeck from the black grid to a frame work of exposed projectors.
*** I can see Zimmerman now, "The idiot who programmed this jack in the box didn't realize that in the new updated holodeck OS deactivating the safeties doesn't initiate the verbal warning, initiating the verbal warning deactivates the safeties."
** Holodeck malfunctions might be as common to the Next Gen era as car crashes are to us today, and get treated in the same way: It's always a tragedy, and whenever it happens people call for the technology to be made safer and safer...but no one ever questions getting rid of it, it's just too common place and beloved by people to even entertain the notion of getting rid of it or restricting its access.

[[WMG: Sudden Change of the Borg's motivation]]
* Picard says in "I, Borg" that the "Borg are not interested in assimilating individuals, just technology". Previous to this the Borg had indeed ignored people in favor of tech (Locutus was merely a tool towards this greater goal) but after this became obsessed with assimilating people. Picard also said in that episode that "maybe through Hugh the Borg will learn to desire individuality". Maybe Hugh did indeed cause them to desire this and on some level assimilation is a misguided attempt to gain it, after all, the Borg primarily gained new things from other races before (such as tech) by taking it through force. Matti23
** Well the Borg do adapt, which means the details of their motivations may adapt as well. Since Picard was assimilated the Borg may have altered their motivations a bit. After a few more years their motivations and methods may be slightly altered again.
** Alternatively, the Borg might not have been very interested in assimilating ''humans'' at first. According to the Borg Queen in one ''Voyager'' episode, humans (species 5618) are "biologically unremarkable". This is actually true by the standards of humanoid life forms in the galaxy. They assimilated the Hanson family, as well as both Federation and Romulan colonies along the Neutral Zone. They may have found the life forms and technology unimpressive. Then, through unknown means (i.e. Q), the ''Enterprise'' gets hurled a ''long'' way from Federation space. Suddenly the Borg wonder if humans have technology they do not know about and/or are innovating at a rapid pace. Before they can dissect the ''Enterprise'' and find out, Q snatches it away and sends it back to where it started from at speeds the Borg could not even track. Suddenly humanity became a ''lot'' more interesting.
** Also, the Borg need for new drones is likely variable depending on what kinds of conflicts they get themselves embroiled in. Attrition rate among the Borg, given that they are such a hostile entity, could actually be quite high if they are getting into fights with species possessing advanced technology that the Borg desire, but which also gives those species the ability to put up a serious fight. For example, the Borg attempt to assimilate species 8472 turned into a catastrophic disaster for them, resulting in the destruction of numerous vessels and at least one planet, probably more.
*** I was always bitter about how they retconned "baby borg" out. The Borg were interesting before they got changeded from the ultimate Space Communitarians to the Space Zombie Empire.

[[WMG:Worf, though he doesn't know it, is the reincarnation of Kahless himself sent to reform Klingon honor by experiencing his own people from the outside looking in, and is therefore the fulfillment of Klingon prophecy.]]
* Just look at what the guy's done, WorfEffect notwithstanding. He's been central to Klingon politics for a decade, and he has guided it for a decade. He has killed two would-be leaders of the High Council in ritual combat -- the second time specifically to reform the Klingon Empire. He even had the opportunity to become the Supreme Chancellor himself, but was too honorable to do so.\\\
And he's performed miracles. He taught a Jem'hadar, one of a genetically engineered killing machines with no morals or code of honor, just by being a badass {{determinator}}.\\\
Even Martok had to exclaim that Worf had the spirit of Kahless himself.
** I get the idea that Jem'Hadar have a strange sense of convoluted honour, but it's not universal and the extent varies from individual to individual.
** One major problem, though, is that Worf is not from Borath, where Kahless was supposed to return from, and has no particularly special connection to Borath either.

[[WMG: The reason the Q were so afraid of Amanda Rogers is that half-human (or other being), half-Q hybrids ''do exist''.]]
* These beings are in between a HigherTechSpecies and SufficientlyAdvancedAliens; they can access the power of the continuum only through constructed devices (sort of like [[spoiler:the Q weapons Voyager uses when they enter the Continuum]]), though they can use the Continuum connection in its pure form if they are desperate. As a result of not promptly finishing them off in the past, they are stuck "babysitting," as in the case of Trelane.
** At one point, there was a lot of Q interbreeding with the residents of [[Series/DoctorWho Gallifrey]], resulting in beings capable of regenerating and time/dimensional travel that is dependent on a certain physical object. The TARDIS provides a link which translates Continuum energy into a usable form.

[[WMG: Q gave Picard the powers of the Continuum, but was made human as a result.]]
* This is why Patrick Stewart looks almost the same as he did in ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', while John de Lancie looks much older.

[[WMG: After the death of Odan's host in [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration "The Host"]], Starfleet/the Federation modified their transporter technology to enable joined Trill to safely use them]]
* This is why the Trill in [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]] can use the transporters with no problem.

[[WMG: B'elanna and K'ehlyr are both from Sherman's planet...or Nimbus III]]
* Sherman's Planet was the planet mentioned in Trouble With Tribbles. It was a major world in the Klingon Neutral Zone. While it was a Federation Planet, it was also open to colonization or at least shore leave, by the Klingons. And as we wish we could 4get Nimbus III was the planet in Star Trek V settled by Federation, Klingons and Romulans. So I speculate that most human/Klingon hybrids come from one of these two planets. Also Simon Tases, from the next gen episode the Drumhead was revealed to be 1/4 Romulan NOT Vulcan, so I speculate his grandparent met on Nimbus III.

[[WMG: Early TNG holograms were much more limited than they appeared.]]
* If you interact with a video game in exactly the way the developers intended you to, it can look seamless, but if you poke at the edges, the illusion becomes immediately apparent. Perhaps before holographic sentience became commonplace, those limits were still there but much broader, and the people we see interacting with holograms just knew how to avoid bumping into them. Minuet was considered unique in her ability to have a reaction to any new input regardless of context, and Picard came back from his first Dixon Hill session gushing about how much detail the world outside what was immediately relevant had.
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19th Nov '17 12:47:45 PM NickGustafson
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The Pegasus, and its recovery, had to have been Section 31 operations under Pressman's command. In the episode Pressman even refers to top members of "Starfleet Security" being interested. The seven or so officers that survived the mutiny and destruction of the Pegasus were Section 31 agents, which also explains how they were able to cover up an unprecedented mutiny to the point that even Picard had trouble learning about it. Afterwards, Pressman acted as Riker's handler much as Sloan did with Bashier. Because after all, no one ever really leaves Section 31.

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The Pegasus, and its recovery, had to have been Section 31 operations under Pressman's command. In the episode Pressman even refers to top members of "Starfleet Security" being interested. The seven or so officers that survived the mutiny and destruction of the Pegasus were Section 31 agents, which also explains how they were able to cover up an unprecedented mutiny to the point that even Picard had trouble learning about it. Afterwards, Pressman acted as Riker's handler much as Sloan did with Bashier.Bashir. Because after all, no one ever really leaves Section 31.


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*This does partially make sense if, as we are told, the temporal rift is the result of the weapon exchange in 2344. Everything in TNG up to this episode should exist in this ''alternate'' timeline. But there are two points against this idea: 1) We see the ''regular'' TNG ship and crew before the Enterprise-C emerges from the rift and 2) Guinan senses that something is wrong and knows about Tasha's death in a timeline that shouldn't exist yet. The solution is that the temporal rift was deliberately created by a third party to alter the timeline. Perhaps as part of the Temporal Cold War. Possibly by the Klingon scientist from Yoyager's ''Endgame''.

19th Nov '17 12:27:08 PM NickGustafson
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[[WMG: In Yesterday's Enterprise, when mirror-Picard tells Captain Garrett that the war is going very badly for the Federation, he's lying to manipulate her into agreeing to go.]]

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[[WMG: In Yesterday's Enterprise, when mirror-Picard alt-Picard tells Captain Garrett that the war is going very badly for the Federation, he's lying to manipulate her into agreeing to go.]]
6th Nov '17 4:45:28 PM JBC31187
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In the NightmareFuel reality depicted, the ''Enterprise'' (specifically its stardrive section) is on the run from the Borg, who assimilated Picard (as in the main timeline) and are in the process of consuming the quadrant. Notice that Data is conspicuously absent. In this timeline, Maddox won the case in ''The Measure of a Man'', and Data didn't simply go on the run. In attempting to reproduce him, Maddox killed Data. Without Data there to be instrumental in Picard's recovery in ''The Best of Both Worlds'', the Borg curbstomp Starfleet. NiceJobBreakingItHero.

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In the NightmareFuel reality depicted, the ''Enterprise'' (specifically its stardrive section) is on the run from the Borg, who assimilated Picard (as in the main timeline) and are in the process of consuming the quadrant. Notice that Data is conspicuously absent. In this timeline, Maddox won the case in ''The Measure of a Man'', and Data didn't simply go on the run. In attempting to reproduce him, Maddox killed Data. Without Data there to be instrumental in Picard's recovery in ''The Best of Both Worlds'', the Borg curbstomp Starfleet. NiceJobBreakingItHero.NiceJobBreakingItHero.

[[WMG: Gul Macet from "The Wounded" is part of the Cardassian Home Guard equivalent]]
The Cardassians, lagging behind the other great powers, can't spare their regular military from the front lines. So, they created Gul Macet's division, gave them crappier ships, and set them on the Federation border, since no one expected the peace-loving Federation to launch a first strike. The Cardassian Militia (called so in "Ensign Ro") are used to patrol safe sectors and keep an eye on the populace, while the real military is responsible for newly-captured planets. That's why all of the Cardassians in Deep Space Nine flashbacks have the sleek black armor.
17th Oct '17 10:31:34 PM Kayube
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** It should be noted that due to a programming oversight, for a while it was possible for Azurill to change gender when it evolved into Marill. Maybe that's what happened here!
17th Sep '17 11:28:47 PM GamerFromJump2
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In the NightmareFuel reality depicted, the ''Enterprise'' (specifically its stardrive section) is on the run from the Borg, who assimilated Picard (as in the main timeline) and are in the process of consuming the quadrant. Notice that Data is conspicuously absent. In this timeline, Maddox won the case in "The Measure of a Man", and Data didn't simply go on the run. In attempting to reproduce him, Maddox killed Data. Without Data there to be instrumental in Picard's recovery in "The Best of Both Worlds", the Borg curbstomp Starfleet. NiceJobBeeakingItHero.

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In the NightmareFuel reality depicted, the ''Enterprise'' (specifically its stardrive section) is on the run from the Borg, who assimilated Picard (as in the main timeline) and are in the process of consuming the quadrant. Notice that Data is conspicuously absent. In this timeline, Maddox won the case in "The ''The Measure of a Man", Man'', and Data didn't simply go on the run. In attempting to reproduce him, Maddox killed Data. Without Data there to be instrumental in Picard's recovery in "The ''The Best of Both Worlds", Worlds'', the Borg curbstomp Starfleet. NiceJobBeeakingItHero.NiceJobBreakingItHero.
17th Sep '17 11:08:24 PM GamerFromJump2
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At some point, the Mariposan society will realise this. They'll then just take the Bringloidi's DNA and go about their initial cloning plan.

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At some point, the Mariposan society will realise this. They'll then just take the Bringloidi's DNA and go about their initial cloning plan.plan.

[[WMG: It's Maddox's fault the Federation is destroyed in that one reality shown in ''Parallels''.]]

In the NightmareFuel reality depicted, the ''Enterprise'' (specifically its stardrive section) is on the run from the Borg, who assimilated Picard (as in the main timeline) and are in the process of consuming the quadrant. Notice that Data is conspicuously absent. In this timeline, Maddox won the case in "The Measure of a Man", and Data didn't simply go on the run. In attempting to reproduce him, Maddox killed Data. Without Data there to be instrumental in Picard's recovery in "The Best of Both Worlds", the Borg curbstomp Starfleet. NiceJobBeeakingItHero.
9th Sep '17 3:57:18 AM Shadow3397
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* Not so much fear of assimilation than it is being scanned. When Nero's ship in Trek 2009 was scanned by the USS Kelvin, the data they got from just that scan catapults Starfleet from the kind of technology we see in the Prime TOS timeline to the larger and more militarized kind of ships and weapons seen in Trek 2009. If the Borg successfully scanned a Q they could learn innumerable things, maybe new ways to upgrade themselves, or new, more powerful ways to assimilate others; thus the Q would want to limit their exposure as much as possible. Sure, they could snap their fingers and blink the info out of existence or go back in time to unmake the scan from happening, but that requires even more interference with the status quo and putting themselves at further risk of being scanned in more detail.
1st Sep '17 4:03:44 AM HalcyonDayz
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While the Enterprises have the honorary title of "flagship of the Federation," it's likely that the entire Galaxy class, as well as some others, like the later Sovereign class, are considered "Flagships." Modern naval definitions consider any vessel carrying an Admiral to be a flagship and Galaxy classes carry dedicated Admiral quarters indicating they are intended for this purpose. When an Admiral is not aboard, or at least in hailing distance, the commanding officer has the same level of authority that an admiral normally carries, effectively making them Brevet Admirals. This is why Captain Jelicho was placed in command of the Enterprise to negotiate with the Cardassians in Chain of Command, so that he would have the necessary authority for these negotiations. The practical purpose for Captains of Flagships having additional authority is for first contact and other negotiations with other species and governments (Picard is frequently seen negotiating on behalf of the entire Federation) as well as to take command of nearby forces in an emergency such as an invasion. In Chain of Command it's actually stated that the Enterprise would command the defenses centering around Minas Corva in the event of a Cardassian invasion. Apparently the Federation keeps a flagship on both the Cardassian and Romulan borders at all times for this purpose as the Enterprise spends an awful lot of time patrolling the border for what is supposed to be a deep space exploration vessel. Also, in TNG: Preemptive Strike the Enterprise is patrolling the border, and just a few episodes later in DS9: The Jem'hedar the Odyssey has now assumed this station, likely not a coincidence. It is possible that commanders of Deep Space stations have similar authority given what is seen in DS9.

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While the Enterprises have the honorary title of "flagship of the Federation," it's likely that the entire Galaxy class, as well as some others, like the later Sovereign class, are considered "Flagships." Modern naval definitions consider any vessel carrying an Admiral to be a flagship and Galaxy classes carry dedicated Admiral quarters indicating they are intended for this purpose. When an Admiral is not aboard, or at least in hailing distance, the commanding officer has the same level of authority that an admiral normally carries, effectively making them Brevet Admirals. This is why Captain Jelicho was placed in command of the Enterprise to negotiate with the Cardassians in Chain of Command, so that he would have the necessary authority for these negotiations. The practical purpose for Captains of Flagships having additional authority is for first contact and other negotiations with other species and governments (Picard is frequently seen negotiating on behalf of the entire Federation) as well as to take command of nearby forces in an emergency such as an invasion. In Chain of Command it's actually stated that the Enterprise would command the defenses centering around Minas Corva in the event of a Cardassian invasion. Apparently the Federation keeps a flagship on both the Cardassian and Romulan borders at all times for this purpose as the Enterprise spends an awful lot of time patrolling the border for what is supposed to be a deep space exploration vessel. Also, in TNG: Preemptive Strike the Enterprise is patrolling the border, and just a few episodes later in DS9: [=DS9=]: The Jem'hedar the Odyssey has now assumed this station, likely not a coincidence. It is possible that commanders of Deep Space stations have similar authority given what is seen in DS9.
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1) Somewhere else on here I postulated that Lwaxana Troi is actually in charge of Section 31, or at least the official Federation politician who deals with 31 behind closed doors, but I looked at the timeline and realized I got it a little wrong. So, I don't think Troi infected Odo with the virus that hurt the link, that doesn't match up. However I postulate that it was HER idea. That's why when she came onto ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]]'' she got so cozy with Odo. She was doing recon and that time he turned into his liquid state she probably got more biometric data on him as well. During all of this she also did develop a true affection for him, since she knew that he was going to be used in such a horrific manner. I do contend though that it was always Lwaxana's plan that they would infect the Dominion and then force their surrender, she never intended genocide.

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1) Somewhere else on here I postulated that Lwaxana Troi is actually in charge of Section 31, or at least the official Federation politician who deals with 31 behind closed doors, but I looked at the timeline and realized I got it a little wrong. So, I don't think Troi infected Odo with the virus that hurt the link, that doesn't match up. However I postulate that it was HER idea. That's why when she came onto ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]]'' [=DS9=]]]'' she got so cozy with Odo. She was doing recon and that time he turned into his liquid state she probably got more biometric data on him as well. During all of this she also did develop a true affection for him, since she knew that he was going to be used in such a horrific manner. I do contend though that it was always Lwaxana's plan that they would infect the Dominion and then force their surrender, she never intended genocide.



Since even in her first episode other Bajorans wore the earring on the right side this can't be a simple continuity error. The only Bajorans seen wearing earrings on the left side are the Pah-wraith cultist in ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]]''. Ro also expresses cynicism about Bajoran traditions and religion. It makes sense that she would be a cultist.

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Since even in her first episode other Bajorans wore the earring on the right side this can't be a simple continuity error. The only Bajorans seen wearing earrings on the left side are the Pah-wraith cultist in ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]]''.[=DS9=]]]''. Ro also expresses cynicism about Bajoran traditions and religion. It makes sense that she would be a cultist.
18th Jul '17 6:48:16 AM ApeAccount
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When Guinan met Q she posed as if she could somehow defend herself against him, but she never actually got to do anything. When Q became human she stabbed him with a fork but didn't use any powers against him. Given all the life threatening situations the ship has been involved in and everything that happened to her people with her doing nothing at all about it, there's no evidence that she has any powers at all. She also claimed that "some of the Q are almost respectable" which would indicate she'd had dealings with others. I'd suggest that last time she met Q, another Q (maybe the female Q who had a kid with Q) offered to use their powers to make it look like Guinan had powers comparable to a Q (in order to mess with a Q when this "mortal" kept derailing his plans). Later when she stood against Q in "Q Who?", pretending to have powers, she was just bluffing.

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When Guinan met Q she posed as if she could somehow defend herself against him, but she never actually got to do anything. When Q became human she stabbed him with a fork but didn't use any powers against him. Given all the life threatening situations the ship has been involved in and everything that happened to her people with her doing nothing at all about it, there's no evidence that she has any powers at all. She also claimed that "some of the Q are almost respectable" which would indicate she'd had dealings with others. I'd suggest that last time she met Q, another Q (maybe the female Q who had a kid with Q) offered to use their powers to make it look like Guinan had powers comparable to a Q (in order to mess with a Q when this "mortal" kept derailing his plans). Later when she stood against Q in "Q Who?", pretending to have powers, she was just bluffing.bluffing.

[[WMG: The Enterprise will turn out not to have actually changed anything for the Mariposan society in "Up the Long Ladder"]]

In “Up the Long Ladder” the Mariposan planet was mentioned as being complete with cities. The Bringloidi could fit in the cargo bay suggesting a much smaller population. At the end of the episode, these two groups are combined together with the instruction that the women from both groups will need to get pregnant with three different children with three different men. However, if there are so many more Mariposans than Bringloidi, the majority of children born will have Mariposan mothers. Since there are only two unique women genetically speaking, any of the children of Mariposan mothers who couldn’t reproduce with someone with a Bringloidi mother (who would be comparatively few in number) would therefore have to reproduce with a child of the other Mariposan mother. The subsequent generation descended from two Mariposan mothers, would all have the same grandmothers and so be cousins and unable to reproduce with each other. So only people with a maternal Bringloidi ancestor somewhere along the line would be a viable option for reproduction and since they’re relatively few, much of this generation couldn't reproduce. This is at the same point at which the initial cloning process was supposed to become terminal anyway. So a large part of their society is going to die out.

At some point, the Mariposan society will realise this. They'll then just take the Bringloidi's DNA and go about their initial cloning plan.
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