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1st Aug '16 9:18:10 AM TheLyniezian
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[[WMG: Spock knew how to swear all along, he just enjoyed trolling Kirk.]]

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[[WMG: Spock knew how to swear all along, he just enjoyed trolling Kirk.]]]]

[[WMG: Or Spock ''did'' know how to swear...]]
...in his previous life. The fal-tor-pan probably didn't preserve the knowledge of it, or the Vulcan retraining of his mind simply did not mean he had the ability to do it effectively.
7th May '16 9:34:39 PM weswes
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[[WMG: The true long term damage of the Whale Probe incident is global data loss on Earth.]]
Think about Earth, the capital of the Federation and Starfleet Headquarters got EMPed planetwide over a sustained period of time. ALL DATA would be lost. All backups would be fried. The entirety of human digital knowledge LOST. All Starfleet records LOST. The entirety of information stored for the President and the Federation Council, LOST. In addition we have seen how much every freaking thing in the future uses computers...in Star Trek II even the boseman's whistle had little lights on it. So after the Whale Probe Incident every...single...piece...of technology on Earth. From starships, to fusion reactors, to artificial hearts to your hand held communicator, every single piece would need a hard re-boot and an installation of the operating system. Never mind there would be NO back up copies on Earth anywhere. Sure there would be back ups on other major worlds, but Earth was the central hub of the Federation. All over the Federation secured systems would be waiting for verification code updates that would never come, shutting down vital systems across the Federation. No doubt when they tried to re-integrate data from the various other d-bases around the federation they would find ALL SORTS of data drift. It would take the Federation a decade to get back on it's informational feet.
*Perhaps this was part of the rush to make peace with the Klingons. While the Klingons suffered the Praxis Disaster. The Federation was secretly glad because they were not yet back up and running from the Whale Probe Incident.
14th Mar '16 2:20:15 PM kyeo
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It's doubtful that fact would have done much for Morrow's reputation, conscience or job security, and even assuming the [[HauledBeforeASenateSubCommittee inevitable inquiry]] cleared him of any undue negligence, one presumes he at least felt resignation the honourable course. After what happened with Kirk and co., there is no way this would stay a secret and perhaps the court of public opinion would have weighed against him, too.

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It's doubtful that fact would have done much for Morrow's reputation, conscience or job security, and even assuming the [[HauledBeforeASenateSubCommittee inevitable inquiry]] cleared him of any undue negligence, one presumes he at least felt resignation the honourable course. After what happened with Kirk and co., there is no way this would stay a secret and perhaps the court of public opinion would have weighed against him, too.too.

[[WMG: Spock knew how to swear all along, he just enjoyed trolling Kirk.]]
23rd Nov '15 3:49:30 PM TheLyniezian
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It's doubtful that fact would have done much for Morrow's reputation, conscience or job security, and even assuming the [[HauledBeforeASenateSubCommittee inevitable enquiry]] cleared him of any undue negligence, one presumes he at least felt resignation the honourable course. After what happened with Kirk and co., there is no way this would stay a secret and perhaps the court of public opinion would have weighed against him, too.

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It's doubtful that fact would have done much for Morrow's reputation, conscience or job security, and even assuming the [[HauledBeforeASenateSubCommittee inevitable enquiry]] inquiry]] cleared him of any undue negligence, one presumes he at least felt resignation the honourable course. After what happened with Kirk and co., there is no way this would stay a secret and perhaps the court of public opinion would have weighed against him, too.
23rd Nov '15 3:47:53 PM TheLyniezian
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I haven't read the novelization, but the main page and the Memory Beta entry on him suggests he resigned for a reason similar to this. Think about it: if we assume the orders concerning Genesis (in the stated absence of policy decisions by the Federation Council) came directly from him based on his judgement, he just made one ''massive'' cock-up. Now his decision reflects the fact that he knows precisely how much interested parties are willing to get hold of Genesis for their own dangerous ends, and to kill in order to do so; otherwise, he wouldn't have had it kept under wraps. But given the fact that this has meant the murder of the entire science team, plus the loss of nearly two ships with most hands, and yet he only sends a single science vessel with absolutely ''no'' escort or backup whatsoever. Result: complete destruction of said science vessel and the murder of one of the key surviving scientists working on the project, and the Klingons nearly getting their hands on the secret but for the intervention of the ''Enterprise''. I doubt that fact would have done much for Morrow's reputation, conscience or job security, and one presumes he at least felt resignation the honourable course.

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I haven't read the novelization, but the main page and the Memory Beta entry on him suggests he resigned for a reason similar to this. Think about it: if we assume the orders concerning Genesis (in the stated absence of policy decisions by the Federation Council) came directly from him based on his judgement, he just made one ''massive'' cock-up. Now his decision reflects the fact that he knows precisely how much interested parties are willing to get hold of Genesis for their own dangerous ends, and to kill in order to do so; otherwise, he wouldn't have had it kept under wraps. But given the fact that this has meant the murder of the entire science team, plus the loss of nearly two ships with most hands, and yet he only sends a single science vessel with absolutely ''no'' escort or backup whatsoever. Result: complete destruction of said science vessel and the murder of one of the key surviving scientists working on the project, and the Klingons nearly getting their hands on the secret but for the intervention of the ''Enterprise''. I doubt

It's doubtful
that fact would have done much for Morrow's reputation, conscience or job security, and even assuming the [[HauledBeforeASenateSubCommittee inevitable enquiry]] cleared him of any undue negligence, one presumes he at least felt resignation the honourable course.course. After what happened with Kirk and co., there is no way this would stay a secret and perhaps the court of public opinion would have weighed against him, too.
23rd Nov '15 3:18:52 PM TheLyniezian
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It's just that over the centuries, every piece has been replaced as it broke, thus none of the "original" pieces remain.

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It's just that over the centuries, every piece has been replaced as it broke, thus none of the "original" pieces remain.remain.

[[WMG: Admiral Morrow's replacement by Cartwright was due to the events of the previous movie]]
I haven't read the novelization, but the main page and the Memory Beta entry on him suggests he resigned for a reason similar to this. Think about it: if we assume the orders concerning Genesis (in the stated absence of policy decisions by the Federation Council) came directly from him based on his judgement, he just made one ''massive'' cock-up. Now his decision reflects the fact that he knows precisely how much interested parties are willing to get hold of Genesis for their own dangerous ends, and to kill in order to do so; otherwise, he wouldn't have had it kept under wraps. But given the fact that this has meant the murder of the entire science team, plus the loss of nearly two ships with most hands, and yet he only sends a single science vessel with absolutely ''no'' escort or backup whatsoever. Result: complete destruction of said science vessel and the murder of one of the key surviving scientists working on the project, and the Klingons nearly getting their hands on the secret but for the intervention of the ''Enterprise''. I doubt that fact would have done much for Morrow's reputation, conscience or job security, and one presumes he at least felt resignation the honourable course.
26th May '15 5:57:51 PM zrice03
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Khan wasn't created for another century or two, as per the {{retcon}} in later TV series, and when he was, he looked like Benedict Cumberbatch. Timeline resolved!

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Khan wasn't created for another century or two, as per the {{retcon}} in later TV series, and when he was, he looked like Benedict Cumberbatch. Timeline resolved!resolved!

[[WMG: Kirk's glasses really do form a temporal loop]]
It's just that over the centuries, every piece has been replaced as it broke, thus none of the "original" pieces remain.
14th Mar '15 12:04:56 AM CKD
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* Also, there's a ''very'' flat garbage can. What crushed it? There aren't any steamroller tracks leading up to it.
12th Mar '15 4:15:45 AM robinjohnson
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[[WMG: The woman McCoy saved in the hospital went on to prevent the Eugenics Wars from happening in the 1990s]]
Khan wasn't created until a century or two later, as per the {{retcon}} in later TV series, and when he was, he looked like Benedict Cumberbatch. Timeline resolved!

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[[WMG: The woman McCoy Bones saved in the hospital went on to prevent the Eugenics Wars from happening in the 1990s]]
Khan wasn't created until a for another century or two later, two, as per the {{retcon}} in later TV series, and when he was, he looked like Benedict Cumberbatch. Timeline resolved!
12th Mar '15 4:14:32 AM robinjohnson
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She seemed pretty dejected about the sudden loss of the whales and was desperate enough to follow Kirk into an uncertain future, saying there was "nothing for her here". Not the sort of thing you'd say if life has much meaning to you as it is.

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She seemed pretty dejected about the sudden loss of the whales and was desperate enough to follow Kirk into an uncertain future, saying there was "nothing for her here". Not the sort of thing you'd say if life has much meaning to you as it is.is.

[[WMG: The woman McCoy saved in the hospital went on to prevent the Eugenics Wars from happening in the 1990s]]
Khan wasn't created until a century or two later, as per the {{retcon}} in later TV series, and when he was, he looked like Benedict Cumberbatch. Timeline resolved!
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