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14th Mar '16 2:20:15 PM kyeo
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It's doubtful that fact would have done much for Morrow's reputation, conscience or job security, and even assuming the [[HauledBeforeASenateSubCommittee inevitable inquiry]] cleared him of any undue negligence, one presumes he at least felt resignation the honourable course. After what happened with Kirk and co., there is no way this would stay a secret and perhaps the court of public opinion would have weighed against him, too.

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It's doubtful that fact would have done much for Morrow's reputation, conscience or job security, and even assuming the [[HauledBeforeASenateSubCommittee inevitable inquiry]] cleared him of any undue negligence, one presumes he at least felt resignation the honourable course. After what happened with Kirk and co., there is no way this would stay a secret and perhaps the court of public opinion would have weighed against him, too.too.

[[WMG: Spock knew how to swear all along, he just enjoyed trolling Kirk.]]
23rd Nov '15 3:49:30 PM TheLyniezian
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It's doubtful that fact would have done much for Morrow's reputation, conscience or job security, and even assuming the [[HauledBeforeASenateSubCommittee inevitable enquiry]] cleared him of any undue negligence, one presumes he at least felt resignation the honourable course. After what happened with Kirk and co., there is no way this would stay a secret and perhaps the court of public opinion would have weighed against him, too.

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It's doubtful that fact would have done much for Morrow's reputation, conscience or job security, and even assuming the [[HauledBeforeASenateSubCommittee inevitable enquiry]] inquiry]] cleared him of any undue negligence, one presumes he at least felt resignation the honourable course. After what happened with Kirk and co., there is no way this would stay a secret and perhaps the court of public opinion would have weighed against him, too.
23rd Nov '15 3:47:53 PM TheLyniezian
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I haven't read the novelization, but the main page and the Memory Beta entry on him suggests he resigned for a reason similar to this. Think about it: if we assume the orders concerning Genesis (in the stated absence of policy decisions by the Federation Council) came directly from him based on his judgement, he just made one ''massive'' cock-up. Now his decision reflects the fact that he knows precisely how much interested parties are willing to get hold of Genesis for their own dangerous ends, and to kill in order to do so; otherwise, he wouldn't have had it kept under wraps. But given the fact that this has meant the murder of the entire science team, plus the loss of nearly two ships with most hands, and yet he only sends a single science vessel with absolutely ''no'' escort or backup whatsoever. Result: complete destruction of said science vessel and the murder of one of the key surviving scientists working on the project, and the Klingons nearly getting their hands on the secret but for the intervention of the ''Enterprise''. I doubt that fact would have done much for Morrow's reputation, conscience or job security, and one presumes he at least felt resignation the honourable course.

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I haven't read the novelization, but the main page and the Memory Beta entry on him suggests he resigned for a reason similar to this. Think about it: if we assume the orders concerning Genesis (in the stated absence of policy decisions by the Federation Council) came directly from him based on his judgement, he just made one ''massive'' cock-up. Now his decision reflects the fact that he knows precisely how much interested parties are willing to get hold of Genesis for their own dangerous ends, and to kill in order to do so; otherwise, he wouldn't have had it kept under wraps. But given the fact that this has meant the murder of the entire science team, plus the loss of nearly two ships with most hands, and yet he only sends a single science vessel with absolutely ''no'' escort or backup whatsoever. Result: complete destruction of said science vessel and the murder of one of the key surviving scientists working on the project, and the Klingons nearly getting their hands on the secret but for the intervention of the ''Enterprise''. I doubt

It's doubtful
that fact would have done much for Morrow's reputation, conscience or job security, and even assuming the [[HauledBeforeASenateSubCommittee inevitable enquiry]] cleared him of any undue negligence, one presumes he at least felt resignation the honourable course.course. After what happened with Kirk and co., there is no way this would stay a secret and perhaps the court of public opinion would have weighed against him, too.
23rd Nov '15 3:18:52 PM TheLyniezian
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It's just that over the centuries, every piece has been replaced as it broke, thus none of the "original" pieces remain.

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It's just that over the centuries, every piece has been replaced as it broke, thus none of the "original" pieces remain.remain.

[[WMG: Admiral Morrow's replacement by Cartwright was due to the events of the previous movie]]
I haven't read the novelization, but the main page and the Memory Beta entry on him suggests he resigned for a reason similar to this. Think about it: if we assume the orders concerning Genesis (in the stated absence of policy decisions by the Federation Council) came directly from him based on his judgement, he just made one ''massive'' cock-up. Now his decision reflects the fact that he knows precisely how much interested parties are willing to get hold of Genesis for their own dangerous ends, and to kill in order to do so; otherwise, he wouldn't have had it kept under wraps. But given the fact that this has meant the murder of the entire science team, plus the loss of nearly two ships with most hands, and yet he only sends a single science vessel with absolutely ''no'' escort or backup whatsoever. Result: complete destruction of said science vessel and the murder of one of the key surviving scientists working on the project, and the Klingons nearly getting their hands on the secret but for the intervention of the ''Enterprise''. I doubt that fact would have done much for Morrow's reputation, conscience or job security, and one presumes he at least felt resignation the honourable course.
26th May '15 5:57:51 PM zrice03
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Khan wasn't created for another century or two, as per the {{retcon}} in later TV series, and when he was, he looked like Benedict Cumberbatch. Timeline resolved!

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Khan wasn't created for another century or two, as per the {{retcon}} in later TV series, and when he was, he looked like Benedict Cumberbatch. Timeline resolved!resolved!

[[WMG: Kirk's glasses really do form a temporal loop]]
It's just that over the centuries, every piece has been replaced as it broke, thus none of the "original" pieces remain.
14th Mar '15 12:04:56 AM CKD
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* Also, there's a ''very'' flat garbage can. What crushed it? There aren't any steamroller tracks leading up to it.
12th Mar '15 4:15:45 AM robinjohnson
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[[WMG: The woman McCoy saved in the hospital went on to prevent the Eugenics Wars from happening in the 1990s]]
Khan wasn't created until a century or two later, as per the {{retcon}} in later TV series, and when he was, he looked like Benedict Cumberbatch. Timeline resolved!

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[[WMG: The woman McCoy Bones saved in the hospital went on to prevent the Eugenics Wars from happening in the 1990s]]
Khan wasn't created until a for another century or two later, two, as per the {{retcon}} in later TV series, and when he was, he looked like Benedict Cumberbatch. Timeline resolved!
12th Mar '15 4:14:32 AM robinjohnson
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She seemed pretty dejected about the sudden loss of the whales and was desperate enough to follow Kirk into an uncertain future, saying there was "nothing for her here". Not the sort of thing you'd say if life has much meaning to you as it is.

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She seemed pretty dejected about the sudden loss of the whales and was desperate enough to follow Kirk into an uncertain future, saying there was "nothing for her here". Not the sort of thing you'd say if life has much meaning to you as it is.is.

[[WMG: The woman McCoy saved in the hospital went on to prevent the Eugenics Wars from happening in the 1990s]]
Khan wasn't created until a century or two later, as per the {{retcon}} in later TV series, and when he was, he looked like Benedict Cumberbatch. Timeline resolved!
18th Feb '15 9:29:14 AM TheLyniezian
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In the film, Spock mentions that whales were on earth "ten million years" before humans. And yet, even in 1986 humans had far surpassed humpback whales in technological development. Still, some alien civilization from many light years away knew about the whales and their "language". Did the humpback whales of earth have some sort of transmitter they used to send a signal through the galaxy to the probe's point of origin? Were the aliens monitoring the earth somehow and decided that the whales were the dominant species? Or maybe the whales themselves were extraterrestrial in origin?

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In the film, Spock mentions that whales were on earth "ten million years" before humans. And yet, even in 1986 humans had far surpassed humpback whales in technological development. Still, some alien civilization from many light years away knew about the whales and their "language". Did the humpback whales of earth have some sort of transmitter they used to send a signal through the galaxy to the probe's point of origin? Were the aliens monitoring the earth somehow and decided that the whales were the dominant species? Or maybe the whales themselves were extraterrestrial in origin?origin?

[[WMG: Were it not for the ''Enterprise'' crew, Gillian would have committed suicide]]
As hinted above.

She seemed pretty dejected about the sudden loss of the whales and was desperate enough to follow Kirk into an uncertain future, saying there was "nothing for her here". Not the sort of thing you'd say if life has much meaning to you as it is.
7th Dec '14 7:46:54 PM FerrousFaucet
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** The whalers were about to kill George and Gracie during the climax of the film. Only the protagonists' direct intervention saved the whales. So even if they were aliens, they would have lost contact with their home civilization even if they weren't abducted by the Enterprise crew.



While most people remember the mind-altering effects of the spores, a rewatch of the episode also shows that they caused those affected to regrow lost tissue. After having discovered this through personal experience, [=McCoy=] thought that it would be awesome to harness that power. After much experimentation, he created a pill that could regrow organs without the mind-altering effects.

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While most people remember the mind-altering effects of the spores, a rewatch of the episode also shows that they caused those affected to regrow lost tissue. After having discovered this through personal experience, [=McCoy=] thought that it would be awesome to harness that power. After much experimentation, he created a pill that could regrow organs without the mind-altering effects.effects.

[[WMG: How did the alien probe know about the whales on Earth, anyway?]]
In the film, Spock mentions that whales were on earth "ten million years" before humans. And yet, even in 1986 humans had far surpassed humpback whales in technological development. Still, some alien civilization from many light years away knew about the whales and their "language". Did the humpback whales of earth have some sort of transmitter they used to send a signal through the galaxy to the probe's point of origin? Were the aliens monitoring the earth somehow and decided that the whales were the dominant species? Or maybe the whales themselves were extraterrestrial in origin?
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