History WMG / SpartacusBloodAndSand

26th Jul '17 12:20:11 PM Killztwice
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Sura's vision about Spartacus "kneeling before a red serpent" is generally thought to refer to his first battle in the arena, and to the events of the series finale. But, what if it also refers to Spartacus's enslavement to the House of the Batiatus and, in particular, the threat Lucretia poses due to her hatred of him? Who does Spartacus get enslaved by? Batiatus and his wife Lucretia. What colour does Lucretia frequently wear? Red (be it dresses or wigs). What animal is Lucretia associated with? The snake (her father-in-law outright calls her a serpent, she has be known to use poison on her enemies, she 'drips poison' into the ears of those she manipulates and she also occasionally wears a bracelet with a snake on it).

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Sura's vision about Spartacus "kneeling before a red serpent" is generally thought to refer to his first battle in the arena, and to the events of the series finale. But, what if it also refers to Spartacus's enslavement to the House of the Batiatus and, in particular, the threat Lucretia poses due to her hatred of him? Who does Spartacus get enslaved by? Batiatus and his wife Lucretia. What colour does Lucretia frequently wear? Red (be it dresses or wigs). What animal is Lucretia associated with? The snake (her father-in-law outright calls her a serpent, she has be known to use poison on her enemies, she 'drips poison' into the ears of those she manipulates and she also occasionally wears a bracelet with a snake on it).it).

[[WMG: The series takes place in ''Series/{{Westworld}}'']]
Westworld is just one of many parks run by the Delos corporation; one of the other established parks is Romanworld. Now, the go to show to be labeled as actually being Romanworld is, of course, ''Series/{{Rome}}'', but as ''Westworld'' demonstrates, major storylines and narratives are shifted all the time in the park, and there's no reason that ''Spartacus'' couldn't be a replacement narrative for ''Rome's'' storyline, acting as an action packed prequel or some such. It would explain, among other things, the various instances of TheOtherDarrin and the major changes to the historical account of the Third Servile War that are listed under the artistic license history entry on the main page.
4th May '17 9:41:59 PM Stevebob
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It doesn't really matter seeing as [[spoiler: she is killed in the final battle]], but her repeatedly looking at babies in the Rebel camp and her conversation about starting a family with Crixus [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation could be interpreted]] as her already knowing she's pregnant and simply having not told Crixus yet. Then, during the final battle, after being [[spoiler: stabbed by Caesar]], she holds her stomach and seems to look down at it with a sad expression [[spoiler: even though this wasn't where she was stabbed]]: possibly thinking of her unborn child?

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It doesn't really matter seeing as [[spoiler: she is killed in the final battle]], but her repeatedly looking at babies in the Rebel camp and her conversation about starting a family with Crixus [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation could be interpreted]] as her already knowing she's pregnant and simply having not told Crixus yet. Then, during the final battle, after being [[spoiler: stabbed by Caesar]], she holds her stomach and seems to look down at it with a sad expression [[spoiler: even though this wasn't where she was stabbed]]: possibly thinking of her unborn child?child?

[[WMG: Sura's prediction about the "red serpent" has a third meaning]]
Sura's vision about Spartacus "kneeling before a red serpent" is generally thought to refer to his first battle in the arena, and to the events of the series finale. But, what if it also refers to Spartacus's enslavement to the House of the Batiatus and, in particular, the threat Lucretia poses due to her hatred of him? Who does Spartacus get enslaved by? Batiatus and his wife Lucretia. What colour does Lucretia frequently wear? Red (be it dresses or wigs). What animal is Lucretia associated with? The snake (her father-in-law outright calls her a serpent, she has be known to use poison on her enemies, she 'drips poison' into the ears of those she manipulates and she also occasionally wears a bracelet with a snake on it).
28th Apr '17 11:22:31 PM Stevebob
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** Kore ultimately kills him, but Caesar helped by delivering him to the rebels in the first place.




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* Apparently, the creators were going to make this explicit, but thought it would be a tad unbelievable or contrived. However, there are pictures floating about of Sibyl and Laeta standing together in one of the show's final scenes, and Sibyl, at least, seems to have her hands on her abdomen, perhaps hinting at pregnancy. It's also not impossible, seeing as both of them were having sexual relationships with Spartacus and Gannicus, respectively, before the final battle (Gannicus and Sibyl slept together the night before, no less). If either of them were pregnant, they most likely wouldn't be showing yet and may not even be aware of it, so it could be considered 'partially-canon'.



It doesn't really matter seeing as [[spoiler: she is killed in the final battle]], but her repeatedly looking at babies in the Rebel camp and her conversation about starting a family with Crixus [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation could be interpreted]] as her already knowing she's pregnant and simply having not told Crixus yet. Then, during the final battle, after being [[spoiler: stabbed by Caesar]], she seems to look down at her stomach with a sad expression [[spoiler: even though this wasn't where she was stabbed]]: possibly thinking of her unborn child?

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It doesn't really matter seeing as [[spoiler: she is killed in the final battle]], but her repeatedly looking at babies in the Rebel camp and her conversation about starting a family with Crixus [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation could be interpreted]] as her already knowing she's pregnant and simply having not told Crixus yet. Then, during the final battle, after being [[spoiler: stabbed by Caesar]], she holds her stomach and seems to look down at her stomach it with a sad expression [[spoiler: even though this wasn't where she was stabbed]]: possibly thinking of her unborn child?
13th Apr '17 10:02:47 PM Stevebob
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[[WMG: Naevia was pregnant with Crixus's child]]
It doesn't really matter seeing as [[spoiler: she is killed in the final battle]], but her repeatedly looking at babies in the Rebel camp and her conversation about starting a family with Crixus [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation could be interpreted]] as her already knowing she's pregnant and simply having not told Crixus yet. Then, during the final battle, after being [[spoiler: stabbed by Caesar]], she seems to look down at her stomach with a sad expression [[spoiler: even though this wasn't where she was stabbed]]: possibly thinking of her unborn child?
16th Mar '15 9:24:26 PM jormis29
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* The whole TrojanWar thing just turned into too much of a debacle, and Hephaestus decided that for their next entertainment they would aim a little lower (and pick a historical event that did not have so much active involvement from the gods themselves). So this time they setup the Third Servile War. As an added bonus, the war was less thoroughly documented and there was more room to play with the characters and their individual lives, rather than trying to keep the whole thing consistent with a piece of literature like ''Literature/TheIliad''. They might have even used Mars as the location again, which would account for why Italy looks so uncharacteristically bleak.

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* The whole TrojanWar UsefulNotes/TrojanWar thing just turned into too much of a debacle, and Hephaestus decided that for their next entertainment they would aim a little lower (and pick a historical event that did not have so much active involvement from the gods themselves). So this time they setup the Third Servile War. As an added bonus, the war was less thoroughly documented and there was more room to play with the characters and their individual lives, rather than trying to keep the whole thing consistent with a piece of literature like ''Literature/TheIliad''. They might have even used Mars as the location again, which would account for why Italy looks so uncharacteristically bleak.
17th Mar '14 10:18:13 PM psionycx
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With Spartacus' and Gannicus' children, respectively.

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With Spartacus' and Gannicus' children, respectively.respectively.

[[WMG: The whole thing is just another historical recreation by the {{Transhuman}} [[AGodAmI Olympian Gods]] from ''Literature/{{Illium}}'']]
* The whole TrojanWar thing just turned into too much of a debacle, and Hephaestus decided that for their next entertainment they would aim a little lower (and pick a historical event that did not have so much active involvement from the gods themselves). So this time they setup the Third Servile War. As an added bonus, the war was less thoroughly documented and there was more room to play with the characters and their individual lives, rather than trying to keep the whole thing consistent with a piece of literature like ''Literature/TheIliad''. They might have even used Mars as the location again, which would account for why Italy looks so uncharacteristically bleak.
22nd May '13 10:46:58 PM psionycx
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** Entirely possible he would not have cared, any more than Batiatus would have about Lucretia's child really being Crixus'. By the late Republic era, the Roman upper class was suffering from a serious (and mysterious) fertility problem. For example, Julius Caesar had only one legitimate child, his daughter Julia, and several supposed illegitimate ones he never confirmed one way or the other. Polite pretense was the order of the day for many who wanted heirs but were having trouble producing them. That and adoption.



*** Whether she was really insane in the beginning, by the end of ''Vengeance'' she is for real.

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*** Whether she was really insane in the beginning, beginning or not, by the end of ''Vengeance'' she is for real. real - and it is horrific!
22nd May '13 10:36:01 PM psionycx
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*** Whether she was really insane in the beginning, by the end of ''Vengeance'' she is for real.
13th Apr '13 4:47:27 AM TweaktheWhacked
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* Nasir. But don't count the rookie out just yet.

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* Nasir. But don't count the rookie out just yet.yet.

[[WMG: Laeta and Sybil are pregnant]]
With Spartacus' and Gannicus' children, respectively.
12th Apr '13 7:10:53 PM panzersharkcat
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*** Implied but not fully confirmed with Crassus crushing Tiberius' death mask.




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* [[spoiler: Confirmed for Agron and Nasir. Naevia is killed by Caesar and Gannicus is crucified.]]




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* Jossed. The Romans win, though the rebellion gives its DyingMomentOfAwesome.
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