History WMG / SmallGods

5th Jul '15 8:47:09 AM Sharlee
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* He's living off his worshipers' ''uncertainty about what he wants'' rather than their certainty. If there are dozens of schismatic sects out there, all saying that Om wants different things, then ''all'' of his worshipers could be in the same boat as Mightily Oats: unsure of which Om is correct, and worried about whether they're pleasing him or not. In which case, they're still demonstrating a belief '''in''' Om through their anxiety -- something that must be sufficient to keep Om alive, if saying "Oh, god, what did I just hit?!" when your wagon squashes a small animal is enough to sustain a minor deity -- just not a belief in any particular characteristic ''of'' Om.
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* He's living off his worshipers' ''uncertainty about what he wants'' rather than their certainty. If there are dozens of schismatic sects out there, all saying that Om wants different things, then ''all'' of his worshipers could be in the same boat as Mightily Oats: unsure of which Om is correct, and worried about whether they're pleasing him or not. In which case, they're still demonstrating a belief '''in''' Om through their anxiety -- something that must be sufficient to keep Om alive, if saying "Oh, god, what did I just hit?!" when your wagon squashes a small animal is enough to sustain a minor deity -- just not a belief in any particular characteristic ''of'' Om.

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** Possibly he made an exception because the Omnian fanatics in that book were falling into the same pattern of behavior as Vorbis, putting words into Om's mouth and believing in the dogma instead of the actual god. Certainly he'd want to avert ''that'' from happening again, even if he'd hoped he could quit intervening altogether.
25th Jun '15 2:01:54 PM ChaoticNovelist
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I personally doubt this is the case, but it seems perfectly plausible that if he even thinks only one new inkling of a thought each millennium, he'll eventually have thought for a living philosopher's equivalent of years and years and come to the conclusion that he's being punished by his exile to a desert that doesn't even have the burning, punisher form of Om let alone the rewarding Om that he'd come to expect from his afterlife. In his mind, then, nonbelievers would get the cauldron but he, a believer who [[YouHaveFailedMe somehow failed]] the One God, his god, would get an eternity with only the false voice of Om echoing mockingly in his head.
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I personally doubt this is the case, but it It seems perfectly plausible that if he even thinks only one new inkling of a thought each millennium, he'll eventually have thought for a living philosopher's equivalent of years and years and come to the conclusion that he's being punished by his exile to a desert that doesn't even have the burning, punisher form of Om let alone the rewarding Om that he'd come to expect from his afterlife. In his mind, then, nonbelievers would get the cauldron but he, a believer who [[YouHaveFailedMe somehow failed]] the One God, his god, would get an eternity with only the false voice of Om echoing mockingly in his head.

* Alternately, Om ''will'' survive, because he's adopted a strategy of pure FridgeBrilliance: he's living off his worshipers' ''uncertainty about what he wants'' rather than their certainty. If there are dozens of schismatic sects out there, all saying that Om wants different things, then ''all'' of his worshipers could be in the same boat as Mightily Oats: unsure of which Om is correct, and worried about whether they're pleasing him or not. In which case, they're still demonstrating a belief '''in''' Om through their anxiety -- something that must be sufficient to keep Om alive, if saying "Oh, god, what did I just hit?!" when your wagon squashes a small animal is enough to sustain a minor deity -- just not a belief in any particular characteristic ''of'' Om. * here, Om declares he will never manifest again as "once is enough". This supports the above line of thought. yet in ''Literature/TheScienceOfDiscworld'' part four, he spontaneously and casually appeaars in Vetinari's palace at a public hearing concerning ownership of Roundworld, to make his will publicly known.
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* Alternately, [[WMG: Om ''will'' will survive, because he's adopted a strategy of pure FridgeBrilliance: he's FridgeBrilliance]] * He's living off his worshipers' ''uncertainty about what he wants'' rather than their certainty. If there are dozens of schismatic sects out there, all saying that Om wants different things, then ''all'' of his worshipers could be in the same boat as Mightily Oats: unsure of which Om is correct, and worried about whether they're pleasing him or not. In which case, they're still demonstrating a belief '''in''' Om through their anxiety -- something that must be sufficient to keep Om alive, if saying "Oh, god, what did I just hit?!" when your wagon squashes a small animal is enough to sustain a minor deity -- just not a belief in any particular characteristic ''of'' Om. * here, Om declares he will never manifest again as "once is enough". This supports the above line of thought. yet in ''Literature/TheScienceOfDiscworld'' part four, he spontaneously and casually appeaars in Vetinari's palace at a public hearing concerning ownership of Roundworld, to make his will publicly known.
31st Mar '15 3:08:12 AM AgProv
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*here, Om declares he will never manifest again as "once is enough". This supports the above line of thought. yet in ''Literature/TheScienceOfDiscworld'' part four, he spontaneously and casually appeaars in Vetinari's palace at a public hearing concerning ownership of Roundworld, to make his will publicly known.
2nd Mar '14 8:56:27 AM DoktorvonEurotrash
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I personally doubt this is the case, but it seems perfectly plausible that if he even thinks only one new inkling of a thought each millennium, he'll eventually have thought for a living philosopher's equivalent of years and years and come to the conclusion that he's being punished by his exile to a desert that doesn't even have the burning, punisher form of Om let alone the rewarding Om that he'd come to expect from his afterlife. In his mind, then, nonbelievers would get the cauldron but he, a believer who [[YouHaveFailedMe somehow failed]] the One God, his god, wuld get an eternity with only the false voice of Om echoing mockingly in his head.
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I personally doubt this is the case, but it seems perfectly plausible that if he even thinks only one new inkling of a thought each millennium, he'll eventually have thought for a living philosopher's equivalent of years and years and come to the conclusion that he's being punished by his exile to a desert that doesn't even have the burning, punisher form of Om let alone the rewarding Om that he'd come to expect from his afterlife. In his mind, then, nonbelievers would get the cauldron but he, a believer who [[YouHaveFailedMe somehow failed]] the One God, his god, wuld would get an eternity with only the false voice of Om echoing mockingly in his head.
14th May '12 9:49:29 AM SharleeD
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* Alternately, Om ''will'' survive, because he's adopted a strategy of pure FridgeBrilliance: he's living off his worshipers' ''uncertainty about what he wants'' rather than their certainty. If there are dozens of schismatic sects out there, all saying that Om wants different things, then ''all'' of his worshipers could be in the same boat as Mightily Oats: unsure of which Om is correct, and worried about whether they're pleasing him or not. In which case, they're still demonstrating a belief '''in''' Om through their anxiety -- something that must be sufficient to keep Om alive, if saying "Oh, god, what did I just hit?!" when your wagon squashes a small animal is enough to sustain a minor deity -- just not a belief in any particular characteristic ''of'' Om.
23rd Apr '12 11:10:00 PM nombretomado
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* Much like the Duchess from ''MonstrousRegiment'', Brutha will replace Om whether he wants to or not. In the Tiffany Aching books, for example, the "good" Om worshippers refer to Brutha instead.
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* Much like the Duchess from ''MonstrousRegiment'', ''Discworld/MonstrousRegiment'', Brutha will replace Om whether he wants to or not. In the Tiffany Aching books, for example, the "good" Om worshippers refer to Brutha instead.
29th Mar '12 11:00:54 AM Andyzero
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* Much like the Duchess from ''MonstrousRegiment'', Brutha will replace Om whether he wants to or not. In the Tiffany Aching books, for example, the "good" Om worshippers refer to Brutha instead.
11th Feb '12 5:45:13 AM DoktorvonEurotrash
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[[WMG: Angus is one of the small gods of the desert]] He obviously has an objective existence, and what better explanation than that he's a small god who's latched on to St. Ungulant and gained belief in return for companionship. This stronger belief would explain why he's somewhat more powerful than the other small gods, even to the point of being able to manipulate objects.
31st Jan '12 9:40:11 AM Andyzero
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Accepting the Discworld definition of [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly belief-fueled deities]], "ritual-based" worship does not feed such deities. Brutha's reforms basically consist of following a utilitarian path and naming it after Om; and pretty much ignoring everything Om says. While this is "better" than what Omniasm was before; it has little to do with the type of belief that Pratchett said small gods need. Later "brochure-based" versions of Omniasm and Reverend Oats "good works" version of faith (that Granny Weatherwax pretty much says is the same as her atheism) don't feed him either. Om's only chance for survival is to change his name and start from scratch.
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Accepting the Discworld definition of [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly belief-fueled deities]], "ritual-based" worship does not feed such deities. Brutha's reforms basically consist of following a utilitarian path and naming it after Om; and pretty much ignoring everything Om says. While this is "better" than what Omniasm was before; it has little to do with the type of belief that Pratchett said small gods need. Later "brochure-based" versions of Omniasm and Reverend Oats "good works" version of faith (that Granny Weatherwax pretty much says is the same as her atheism) [[{{Nay theist}} naytheism]]) don't feed him either. Om's only chance for survival is to change his name and start from scratch.
31st Jan '12 9:36:24 AM Andyzero
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Accepting the Discworld definition of [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly belief-fueled deities]], "ritual-based" worship does not feed such deities. Brutha's reforms basically consist of following a utilitarian path and naming it after Om; and pretty much ignoring everything Om says. While this is "better" than what Omniasm was before; it has little to do with the type of belief that Pratchett said small gods need. Later "brochure-based" versions of Omniasm seen and Reverend Oats "good works" faith (that Granny Weatherwax pretty much says is the same as her atheism) don't feed him either. Om's only chance for survival is to change his name and start from scratch.
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Accepting the Discworld definition of [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly belief-fueled deities]], "ritual-based" worship does not feed such deities. Brutha's reforms basically consist of following a utilitarian path and naming it after Om; and pretty much ignoring everything Om says. While this is "better" than what Omniasm was before; it has little to do with the type of belief that Pratchett said small gods need. Later "brochure-based" versions of Omniasm seen and Reverend Oats "good works" version of faith (that Granny Weatherwax pretty much says is the same as her atheism) don't feed him either. Om's only chance for survival is to change his name and start from scratch.
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