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[[WMG:Clockwerk didn't wipe out the Coopers because of his mechanical body.]]
To recap, Clockwerk ''hated'' the Coopers so much that he had his body replaced with machinery to ensure that he would survive long enough to undo the Cooper Line. While in the first game he claims that he left Sly alive to watch the Cooper Clan falter without the Thievius Racoonus, that could have just been him trying to rationalize it with his humanity (or "owlmanity" or whatever). Instead, it could have been a case of CyberneticsEatYourSoul. Clockwerk indeed held genuine hatred for the Coopers and this was used to keep his mechanical body alive, but the basic programming of his mechanized brain prioritized his survival. Thusly, Clockwerk was psychologically incapable of doing away with any of the Coopers until they had sired a proper heir that could carry on their legacy, thus ensuring that the machine could still run in perpetuity. It would also explain why he had brought the Fiendish Five to help him kill Connor Cooper: Sly was just a small boy and stealing the pages of the book would endanger Sly's chances of becoming a master thief, so his programming wouldn't let him kill them. He formed the Fiendish Five so that they could break the rules in his programming so that he wouldn't have to.
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[[WMG: Penelope Evil Twin Teory.]]
* Given the differences between the two, in Sly 3 and Thieves in Time, here is how the Twin Theory could work. Mr. and Mrs. Mouse, who wanted to be surprised, were expecting one big boy, were surprised to have two smaller girls, Penelope A(lana) and Penelope B(eatrice). Alana is a spoiled brat that thinks she's going to get the boys, and money, while Beatrice prefers grease and machines. Beatrice eventually encounters the Cooper Gang, joins them, and becomes wealthy at the end of game 3. She shows off pictures of her place to Alana, who gets jelous. With the help of [[spoiler:Le Paradox]], Alana abducts Beatrice, replaces her, and forces her to make her mechanical army, threatening to do evil things to Bentley if Beatrice doesn't do as she's told. Beatrice manages to fight back by building in Big Obvious Weaknesses (red eyes and such), so that Sly and the gang could defeat her sister more easier. She might be stuck in a hidden room in the castle, that Sir Galleth could crash through. As for rescue, there's probably scrap laying around that she might use to make a time machine. Wouldn't be the first time a hero stuck in a cave built a way to escape from trouble.
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** Just checked, and Salim can, at the very least, do a version of the Spire Jump.
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[[WMG: Spire Jump is older than Rioichi's time.]]
* Given that Sir Galleth, who came 300 years earlier than Rioishi, knows the Spire Jump, Rioishi didn't come up with the manuver. However, it's possible that the move that Sir Galleth uses is a precursor to the one Rioishi is given credit for. Makes one wonder if Salim can use it, and other "later" maneuvers too?
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[[WMG:Why the Coopers never heard of the [[spoiler:Le Paradox family]] is because...]]
* [[spoiler:The Le Paradox family]] were full of ''failed'' thieves. Each one attempted to fashion themself as a rival to the current member of the Cooper family, only they were nowhere near as good as the Coopers and oftentimes became the unintentional fall guy for the Cooper in question. For their parts, the Coopers wouldn't bother to question it, simply viewing it as someone being in the wrong place at the wrong time or simply enjoying the luck of not having the cops on their tail yet.
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Clockwerk has stated in his FamousLastWords that Sly (and likely his descendants) will ''never'' be rid of him, and Neyla mentions feeling a great power when she merges with Clockwerk and becomes Clock-La, with the implication of a SplitPersonalityTakeover. Penelope's hatred of Sly is of her own, and she's initially a [[SoftSpokenSadist soft-spoken]] [[TheSociopath sociopath]] with some control of herself, but it's not until Bentley rejects her that she snaps and becomes as AxCrazy as Neyla was upon her first defeat in Canada.
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Clockwerk has stated in his FamousLastWords last words that Sly (and likely his descendants) will ''never'' be rid of him, and Neyla mentions feeling a great power when she merges with Clockwerk and becomes Clock-La, with the implication of a SplitPersonalityTakeover. Penelope's hatred of Sly is of her own, and she's initially a [[SoftSpokenSadist soft-spoken]] [[TheSociopath sociopath]] with some control of herself, but it's not until Bentley rejects her that she snaps and becomes as AxCrazy as Neyla was upon her first defeat in Canada.
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[[WMG:Assuming none of them die of unnatural causes, Bentley will outlive the rest of the gang significantly on account of being [[LongLived a turtle]].]]
* A significant portion of box turtles in particular can live up to ''a century'' in real life (one's said to have lived to at least the age of ''138''), and pets have been known to outlive their owners. To give a comparison, a few "what-if future" comics starring the Ninja Turtles have shown them as living to well over a century—despite presumably being of a species with a natural life expectancy ''decades'' shorter than a box turtle's. Despite how the FunnyAnimals in the ''Sly Cooper'' universe seem to have the same metabolic and aging rates that we real-life humans do, traits from their biology still come through at times (even if in an AnimalStereotypes way), with Sly himself as just one example of such. Potentially, a what-if story about Bentley in the distant future could even be explored, showing how he deals with the consequences of outliving Sly, Murray and everyone else—and potentially even outliving their next of kin. Considering how this franchise has already dealt with themes of loneliness and impermanence (with Bentley himself having taken the brunt of ''both'' in the second game)...
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4) As a twist, The Cooper bloodline will be hit somewhat with AdaptationalVillainy. While studying the Thievius Raccoonus, Sly may start out idolizing his family as being heroic rogues or at least [[LovableRogue lovable rogues]] who only act with the best intentions in mind. However, Sly may discover evidence revealing that more than a few of his ancestors [[BrokenPedestal were actually just as bad if not worse than the villains he himself fought,]] and somehow being that nasty while still [[LoopholeAbuse technically adhering to the traditional rules of the Cooper bloodline.]] Sly will be faced with an existential crisis to a point of considering the idea of hanging his cane permenantly and turning himself in. It may take some convincing to get Sly to continue going about his LoveableRogue ways with the added intention of reforming the Cooper line.
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* Clockwerk: Creator/CoreyBurton, Creator/RichardEpcar
* Muggshot: Creator/JohnDiMaggio, Creator/SteveBlum
* Panda King: Creator/PhilLaMarr
* Sir Raleigh: Creator/CoreyBurton
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** Carmelita may also get a dose of [[AdaptationalNiceGuy Adaptational Nice Girl]] or BackportedDevelopment in that she ends up recognizing that Sly and Cooper Gang aren't evil pretty early on. However, this may lead to her being further motivated to arrest them, thinking them as well-meaning but misguided rogues whom she thinks don't fully understand what they're doing or are disregarding possible conseqences of taking down villains their way with no regard for how the law works. Inspector Fox may approach her efforts to arrest the Cooper Gang with ForYourOwnGood intentions in mind because of this.
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3) Penelope Mouse will be given an AdaptationalEarlyAppearance mixed with a slight dose of AdaptationalHeroism and possible AdaptationRelationShipOverhaul with Bentley. She may start out as a technological prodigy who at some point caught wind of the Cooper Gang's activities and was inspired by them. She will actively seek them out with the intention of joining them in their crusades and manages to impress Bentley enough for him to take her as his protege, with a TeacherStudentRomance between them gradually rising up. As a consequence, Bentley may worry abit more more Penelope's safety and may work to keep her away from field operations as much as possible, Penelope will naturally feel stifiled and a rift between teacher and student starts to grow. Eventually, Penelope may lose patience with Bentley and leave the team to stake out on her own, with Bentley either worrying about her more because he thinks she may be in over her head or feeling guilty upon realizing he wasn't respecting her as much as he should've. Should Penelope eventually become a villain, she'll be portrayed as more sympathetic with her motives falling under VillainHasAPoint (or even BothSidesHaveAPoint if Bentley had actualy perfectly justifiable reasons for keeping Panelope out of the field).
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** I honestly doubt that this would be the case in-universe, and out-of-universe I've seen evidence towards, at the very least, the ''potential'' existence of a fifth game. Beyond the fact that I've seen the creative director of ''Thieves in Time'' show interest in continuing the series in at least two interviews over the past few years, Sanzaru merely stated back in late 2014 that they had no clear plans for another game at that point in time (given that the game's sales were lower than expected), [[MisaimedFandom rather than an outright refusal to make a sequel]]. As for the TV show, it's unlikely that it'll be a ContinuityReboot since the series would've likely been rebooted with ''Thieves in Time'' if Sony even wanted to do one at all, and given both the major redesigns the desire to bring in a new audience the show has, it's even more unlikely that the show will be a continuation of ''Honor Among Thieves''.
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[[spoiler: Beyond sending Sly back through time to Ancient Egypt, said time-hole also damaged the time-space continuum itself. Unlike Le Paradox's time-tampering, which only mostly affected the Cooper Clan's history, it's possible that this hole (which was strong enough to warp a part of Le Blimp into the time vortex) won't be as easily repairable. Unless the Cooper Gang reassembles in time, sooner or later this hole will grow and reality itself will either experience a TimeCrash or begin tearing itself apart.]]
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[[spoiler: Beyond sending Sly back through time to Ancient Egypt, said time-hole also [[CosmicFlaw damaged the time-space continuum itself.itself]]. Unlike Le Paradox's time-tampering, which only mostly affected the Cooper Clan's history, it's possible that this hole (which was strong enough to warp a part of Le Blimp into the time vortex) won't be as easily repairable. Unless the Cooper Gang reassembles in time, sooner or later this hole will grow and reality itself will either experience a TimeCrash or begin tearing itself apart.]]
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1) Carmelita Fox may undergo a hefty amount of AdaptationalBadass, becoming much more hypercompetent than in the games. Several of her times chasing Sly Cooper will end mostly with Sly narrowly escaping capture and some moments where Carmelita even succeeds in catching Sly well enough that he does stand trial and even briefly serves prison time (his friend naturally help him break out later.) This could also help add some dimension to why Sly is attracted to Carmelita by having him be pleased and excited that someone like her can always consistently challenge him. Oh, and Carmelita can also be the best combatant out of the main cast in terms of training and experiance, making so any head-to-head fight she has with the Cooper Gang ends with them being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped]], further justifying them needing to evade her.
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1) Carmelita Fox may undergo a hefty amount of AdaptationalBadass, becoming much more hypercompetent than in the games. Several of her times chasing Sly Cooper will end mostly with Sly narrowly escaping capture and some moments where Carmelita even succeeds in catching Sly well enough that he does stand trial and even briefly serves prison time (his friend friends naturally help him break out later.) This could also help add some dimension to why Sly is attracted to Carmelita by having him be pleased and excited that someone like her can always consistently challenge him. Oh, and Carmelita can also be the best combatant out of the main cast in terms of training and experiance, making so any head-to-head fight she has with the Cooper Gang ends with them being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped]], further justifying them needing to evade her.
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2) Clockwerk will be given much more screen time relative to the rest of the cast, such as showing how he interacts with other villains, in contrast to how he only appeared and died at the end of the first game. More development will be given to him, he'll be given other strong motivations beyond just exterminating the Cooper line, and he'll likely be more proactive in pushing back opposition, being a supreme KnightOfCerebus acting as a threat to the Cooper Gang and INTERPOL alike. He'll also become more of a MagnificentBastard with a more FauxAffablyEvil personality a la [[WesternAnimation/BeastWars Megatron]].
2) Clockwerk will be given much more screen time relative to the rest of the cast, such as showing how he interacts with other villains, in contrast to how he only appeared and died at the end of the first game. More development will be given to him, he'll be given other strong motivations beyond just exterminating the Cooper line, and he'll likely be more proactive in pushing back opposition, being a supreme KnightOfCerebus acting as a threat to the Cooper Gang and INTERPOL alike. He'll also become more of a MagnificentBastard with a more FauxAffablyEvil personality a la [[WesternAnimation/BeastWars Megatron]].
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Clockwerk has stated in his FamousLastWords that Sly (and likely his descendants) will ''never'' be rid of him, and Neyla mentions feeling a great power when she merges with Clockwerk and becomes Clock-La, with the implication of a SplitPersonalityTakeover. Penelope's hatred of Sly is of her own, and she's initially a [[SoftSpokenSadist soft-spoken]] [[TheSociopath sociopath]] with some control of herself, but it's not until Bentley rejects her that she snaps and becomes as AxeCrazy as Neyla was upon her first defeat in Canada.
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Clockwerk has stated in his FamousLastWords that Sly (and likely his descendants) will ''never'' be rid of him, and Neyla mentions feeling a great power when she merges with Clockwerk and becomes Clock-La, with the implication of a SplitPersonalityTakeover. Penelope's hatred of Sly is of her own, and she's initially a [[SoftSpokenSadist soft-spoken]] [[TheSociopath sociopath]] with some control of herself, but it's not until Bentley rejects her that she snaps and becomes as AxeCrazy AxCrazy as Neyla was upon her first defeat in Canada.
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Considering all the other MagicalRealism seen in this series, would it really seem that far-fetched?
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** Alternately, someone working for Sanzaru had ties to Creator/{{Disney}}. Therefore, [[spoiler:Penelope being [[WesternAnimation/Frozen2013 Prince Hans']] DistaffCounterpart]] might not be a coincidence[[labelnote:*]]''Thieves in Time'' and ''Frozen'' were in development at the same time[[/labelnote]].
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[[spoiler: Originally, Le Paradox kidnapped and forced Penelope to work on the time machine, but his attempts to tamper with history (and the Cooper gang's efforts to set it right) sent [[ButterflyOfDoom ripples through time]], resulting in changes in the present era--one of which was altering Penelope's personal history, changing her from a loyal member of the gang and friend of Sly to a greedy, amoral crook who hated Sly and was willing to sell him out to Le Paradox.]]
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[[spoiler: Originally, Le Paradox kidnapped and forced Penelope to work on the time machine, but his attempts to tamper with history (and the Cooper gang's efforts to set it right) sent [[ButterflyOfDoom ripples through time]], resulting in changes in the present era--one of which was altering Penelope's personal history, changing her from a loyal member of the gang and friend of Sly to a greedy, amoral crook who hated Sly and was willing to sell him out to Le Paradox.]]
Originally, Le Paradox kidnapped and forced Penelope to work on the time machine, but his attempts to tamper with history (and the Cooper gang's efforts to set it right) sent [[ButterflyOfDoom ripples through time]], resulting in changes in the present era--one of which was altering Penelope's personal history, changing her from a loyal member of the gang and friend of Sly to a greedy, amoral crook who hated Sly and was willing to sell him out to Le Paradox.
[[spoiler: Originally, Le Paradox kidnapped and forced Penelope to work on the time machine, but his attempts to tamper with history (and the Cooper gang's efforts to set it right) sent [[ButterflyOfDoom ripples through time]], resulting in changes in the present era--one of which was altering Penelope's personal history, changing her from a loyal member of the gang and friend of Sly to a greedy, amoral crook who hated Sly and was willing to sell him out to Le Paradox.
Originally, Le Paradox kidnapped and forced Penelope to work on the time machine, but his attempts to tamper with history (and the Cooper gang's efforts to set it right) sent [[ButterflyOfDoom ripples through time]], resulting in changes in the present era--one of which was altering Penelope's personal history, changing her from a loyal member of the gang and friend of Sly to a greedy, amoral crook who hated Sly and was willing to sell him out to Le Paradox.
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Clockwerk was motivated by hated of the Cooper Gang, and became immortal by cyber-converting his body and creating a Hate Chip with the sole intent of wiping the line out. But we don't know what caused him to become immortal in the first place.
Clockwerk has stated in his FamousLastWords that Sly (and likely his descendants) will ''never'' be rid of him, and Neyla mentions feeling a great power when she merges with Clockwerk and becomes Clock-La, with the implication of a SplitPersonalityTakeover. Penelope's hatred of Sly is of her own, and she's initially a [[SoftSpokenSadist soft-spoken]] [[TheSociopath sociopath]] with some control of herself, but it's not until Bentley rejects her that she snaps and becomes as AxeCrazy as Neyla was upon her first defeat in Canada.
Neyla failed to become the next Clockwerk because the Hate Chip was destroyed. But Penelope has something Neyla didn't have: knowledge of time travel. If she became ''[[TheUnfettered that]]'' desperate to get revenge on Sly, Penelope could just figure out Clockwerk's secret by going back to his time, and create her own Hate Chip. Clockwerk's curse is therefore restarted with countless generations of the Cooper Gang being terrorized by an immortal mouse with access to time travel. But whether Penelope will remain in control, or Clockwerk will posses her like he apparently tried with Neyla, remains to be seen.
Clockwerk was motivated by hated of the Cooper Gang, and became immortal by cyber-converting his body and creating a Hate Chip with the sole intent of wiping the line out. But we don't know what caused him to become immortal in the first place.
Clockwerk has stated in his FamousLastWords that Sly (and likely his descendants) will ''never'' be rid of him, and Neyla mentions feeling a great power when she merges with Clockwerk and becomes Clock-La, with the implication of a SplitPersonalityTakeover. Penelope's hatred of Sly is of her own, and she's initially a [[SoftSpokenSadist soft-spoken]] [[TheSociopath sociopath]] with some control of herself, but it's not until Bentley rejects her that she snaps and becomes as AxeCrazy as Neyla was upon her first defeat in Canada.
Neyla failed to become the next Clockwerk because the Hate Chip was destroyed. But Penelope has something Neyla didn't have: knowledge of time travel. If she became ''[[TheUnfettered that]]'' desperate to get revenge on Sly, Penelope could just figure out Clockwerk's secret by going back to his time, and create her own Hate Chip. Clockwerk's curse is therefore restarted with countless generations of the Cooper Gang being terrorized by an immortal mouse with access to time travel. But whether Penelope will remain in control, or Clockwerk will posses her like he apparently tried with Neyla, remains to be seen.
