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*** Well, yeah; the idea that your PC is a psychotic murder and all the "monsters" are really innocent people requires one to both drastically overthink ''and'' critically underthink things at the same time, just for the sake of cheap shock value.

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*** Well, yeah; the idea that your PC is a psychotic murder mass-murderer and all the "monsters" are really innocent people requires one to both drastically overthink ''and'' critically underthink things at the same time, just for the sake of cheap shock value.
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*** In context it seems like Vincent is backpedaling because he wasn't expecting Heather to freak out by what he said. The fact that he said "They look like monsters to you?" in a mildly bemused tone and ostensibly ''didn't'' expect such a horrified reaction suggests that they aren't innocent humans, but also not something Vincent, as a prominent member of the cult, sees as evil or a threat.
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[[folder:Travis Grady: Serial Killer. Or not?]]

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[[folder:Travis Grady: Serial Killer. Killer... Or not?]]Not?]]
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[[folder:Travis Grady: Schrödinger's Serial Killer]]
* So long as you remember that Silent Hill itself is ''never, ever the good guy'' in any of the games, it's not hard to think that Travis' unstable mother was being lied to and manipulated by the town's evil influence to believe her son would grow up to be a killer, and when he ends up in Silent Hill again as an adult, it tries to finish what it started by preying on his tragic past in the hopes of corrupting him, just like it does with Eddie and tries to do to James in ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'' (in both his and Travis' case, whether or not the town ultimately succeeds in this depends on which ending you get). Basically, he's not and never was a serial killer in the good ending, but the bad ending sees Travis be made into one, with the Butcher not being there to punish him ''ala'' Pyramid Head, but rather to serve as the town's way of suggesting that he should start working through all that pain and trauma he endured as a kid by paying it forward.

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Killer. Or not?]]
* So long as you remember that Silent Hill itself is ''never, ever the good guy'' in any of the games, it's It's not hard to think that Travis' unstable mother was being lied to and manipulated by the town's evil influence malevolence to believe her son would grow up to be a killer, and when he ends up in Silent Hill again as an adult, it tries to finish what it started by preying on his tragic past in the hopes of corrupting him, just like it does with Eddie and tries to do to James in ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'' (in both his and Travis' case, whether or not the town ultimately succeeds in this depends on which ending you get). Basically, he's not and never was a serial killer in the good ending, but the bad ending sees Travis be made into one, with the Butcher not being there to punish him ''ala'' a la Pyramid Head, but rather to serve as the town's way of suggesting that he should start working through all that pain and trauma he endured as a kid by paying it forward.forward. As what happened to Angela in ''2'' demonstrates, Silent Hill is never, ''ever'' the good guy in the story; it uses a person's inner pain to break them down and ''destroy'' them, not to help them, and those who find redemption anyway do so because they didn't give in to the town's evil influence.
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*** Well, yeah; the idea that your PC is a psychotic murder and all the "monsters" are really innocent people requires one to both drastically overthink ''and'' critically underthink things at the same, just for the sake of cheap shock value.

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*** **** Well, yeah; the idea that your PC is a psychotic murder and all the "monsters" are really innocent people requires one to both drastically overthink ''and'' critically underthink things at the same, same time, just for the sake of cheap shock value.
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**** Well, yeah; the idea that your PC is a psychotic murder and all the "monsters" are really innocent people requires one to both drastically overthink ''and'' critically underthink things at the same, just for the sake of cheap shock value.
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* So long as you remember that Silent Hill itself is ''never, ever the good guy'' in any of the games, it's not hard to think that the Travis' unstable mother was being lied to and manipulated by the town's evil influence to believe her son would grow up to be a killer, and when he ends up in Silent Hill again as an adult, it tries to finish what it started by preying on his tragic past in the hopes of corrupting him, just like it does with Eddie and tries to do to James in ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'' (in both his and Travis' case, whether or not the town ultimately succeeds in this depends on which ending you get). Basically, he's not and never was a serial killer in the good ending, but the bad ending sees Travis be made into one, with the Butcher not being there to punish him ''ala'' Pyramid Head, but rather as the town's way of suggesting how he should start working through all that pain and trauma he endured as a kid.

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* So long as you remember that Silent Hill itself is ''never, ever the good guy'' in any of the games, it's not hard to think that the Travis' unstable mother was being lied to and manipulated by the town's evil influence to believe her son would grow up to be a killer, and when he ends up in Silent Hill again as an adult, it tries to finish what it started by preying on his tragic past in the hopes of corrupting him, just like it does with Eddie and tries to do to James in ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'' (in both his and Travis' case, whether or not the town ultimately succeeds in this depends on which ending you get). Basically, he's not and never was a serial killer in the good ending, but the bad ending sees Travis be made into one, with the Butcher not being there to punish him ''ala'' Pyramid Head, but rather to serve as the town's way of suggesting how that he should start working through all that pain and trauma he endured as a kid.kid by paying it forward.
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[[folder:Travis Grady: Schrödinger's Serial Killer]]
* So long as you remember that Silent Hill itself is ''never, ever the good guy'' in any of the games, it's not hard to think that the Travis' unstable mother was being lied to and manipulated by the town's evil influence to believe her son would grow up to be a killer, and when he ends up in Silent Hill again as an adult, it tries to finish what it started by preying on his past trauma in the hopes of corrupting him, just like it does with Eddie and tries to do to James in ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'' (in both his and Travis' case, whether or not the town ultimately succeeds in this depends on which ending you get).

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[[folder:Travis Grady: Schrödinger's Serial Killer]]
* So long as you remember that Silent Hill itself is ''never, ever the good guy'' in any of the games, it's not hard to think that the Travis' unstable mother was being lied to and manipulated by the town's evil influence to believe her son would grow up to be a killer, and when he ends up in Silent Hill again as an adult, it tries to finish what it started by preying on his tragic past trauma in the hopes of corrupting him, just like it does with Eddie and tries to do to James in ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'' (in both his and Travis' case, whether or not the town ultimately succeeds in this depends on which ending you get).get). Basically, he's not and never was a serial killer in the good ending, but the bad ending sees Travis be made into one, with the Butcher not being there to punish him ''ala'' Pyramid Head, but rather as the town's way of suggesting how he should start working through all that pain and trauma he endured as a kid.
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[[folder:Travis Grady: Schrödinger's Serial Killer]]
* So long as you remember that Silent Hill itself is ''never, ever the good guy'' in any of the games, it's not hard to think that the Travis' unstable mother was being lied to and manipulated by the town's evil influence to believe her son would grow up to be a killer, and when he ends up in Silent Hill again as an adult, it tries to finish what it started by preying on his past trauma in the hopes of corrupting him, just like it does with Eddie and tries to do to James in ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'' (in both his and Travis' case, whether or not the town ultimately succeeds in this depends on which ending you get).
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Travis father looks like he could be [[VideoGame/HalfLife Gordon Freeman]]'s long lost twin brother or something, and Travis himself is a badly done attempt at TheStoic (except, like in the case of [[SilentHill4 Henry]], the animators missed the mark and ended up with DullSurprise), and all three men have severe underlying psychological problems that very well might be running int he family. (If I recall correctly, one of the weapons you can pick up in ''Origins'' is a crowbar, or at least a wrench...)

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Travis father looks like he could be [[VideoGame/HalfLife Gordon Freeman]]'s long lost twin brother or something, and Travis himself is a badly done attempt at TheStoic (except, like in the case of [[SilentHill4 [[VideoGame/SilentHill4 Henry]], the animators missed the mark and ended up with DullSurprise), and all three men have severe underlying psychological problems that very well might be running int he family. (If I recall correctly, one of the weapons you can pick up in ''Origins'' is a crowbar, or at least a wrench...)



** Except they ''are'' monsters. That is, unless we assume that [[SilentHill4 Walter]] has MindControl powers, is able to teleport people, able to somehow be in two places at once where one of said instances is dead...yeah, Occam's Razor says that they ''are'' actually monsters.

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** Except they ''are'' monsters. That is, unless we assume that [[SilentHill4 [[VideoGame/SilentHill4 Walter]] has MindControl powers, is able to teleport people, able to somehow be in two places at once where one of said instances is dead...yeah, Occam's Razor says that they ''are'' actually monsters.
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* From ''NoMoreHeroes'', supported by the fact that Travis can get a luchador costume.

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* From ''NoMoreHeroes'', ''VideoGame/NoMoreHeroes'', supported by the fact that Travis can get a luchador costume.
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* His family had a thing with mirrors, because Travis' mother claimed to hear from a being in a mirror. Very possibly, they are related to the founders of the town.
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** That is referring to the Missionary and the Scrapers, who are actually cult hitmen dressed as monsters or altered by the power of their god.
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***When you're in the hospital and solve the mannequin riddle by putting in the plastic parts, you come back to the room and find a body with no eyes -you took the plastic eyes to open another door- I don't know how many commented on this before, but it is probably the moment that made me feel more uncomfortable of the whole series -not the creepiest but it made me doubt what I was doing and Vincent's voice came to me directly-,
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Travis father looks like he could be [[HalfLife Gordon Freeman]]'s long lost twin brother or something, and Travis himself is a badly done attempt at TheStoic (except, like in the case of [[SilentHill4 Henry]], the animators missed the mark and ended up with DullSurprise), and all three men have severe underlying psychological problems that very well might be running int he family. (If I recall correctly, one of the weapons you can pick up in ''Origins'' is a crowbar, or at least a wrench...)

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Travis father looks like he could be [[HalfLife [[VideoGame/HalfLife Gordon Freeman]]'s long lost twin brother or something, and Travis himself is a badly done attempt at TheStoic (except, like in the case of [[SilentHill4 Henry]], the animators missed the mark and ended up with DullSurprise), and all three men have severe underlying psychological problems that very well might be running int he family. (If I recall correctly, one of the weapons you can pick up in ''Origins'' is a crowbar, or at least a wrench...)
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** Since their first name is thus their family name, which is (among others) a Japanese naming convention, along with the Mexican masked wrestler costume, does that mean he's [[{{Bleach}} an arrancar]]? It might account for the weirdness increasing thanks to his spirit power, and why he was attracted to such a "spiritual" place.

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** Since their first name is thus their family name, which is (among others) a Japanese naming convention, along with the Mexican masked wrestler costume, does that mean he's [[{{Bleach}} [[Manga/{{Bleach}} an arrancar]]? It might account for the weirdness increasing thanks to his spirit power, and why he was attracted to such a "spiritual" place.
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** Assuming OP means that Travis may be Alessa's father, some more evidence is the fact that Dahlia also knows his name. He even asks her how she knows it...
** Then there's incriminating lines in the game's opening song, O.R.T., which is from Alessa's point of view:
---> ''Is it lonely where you, in there, Dad? Does the darkness know your name... does Mom?'' (Considering the above, yes, Mom may very well know Dad's name.)
---> ''She said, "Her blood turns to ash," laughing... Dad, do you know what you've done this time, to me?''
---> ''Did you have that dream again? Release. Breathe. "You're receiving what you sent," said she.''
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The "kid" theory is at least a popular meme on deviantart. ThisTroper could also see [=PH=] as an AscendedFanboy / JackTheRipoff who liked the Butcher's methods, but thought the headgear was lame, so he did some research and decided to base his costume on the executioner outfit instead. Or, alternately, [=PH=] studied under the Butcher (like how Amanda studied under Jigsaw).

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The "kid" theory is at least a popular meme on deviantart. ThisTroper I could also see [=PH=] as an AscendedFanboy / JackTheRipoff who liked the Butcher's methods, but thought the headgear was lame, so he did some research and decided to base his costume on the executioner outfit instead. Or, alternately, [=PH=] studied under the Butcher (like how Amanda studied under Jigsaw).



** This troper believes Pyramid Head to be a creation of Silent Hill based off of the Butcher, which was created by the town by pulling it from Travis Grady, and which the town is thus unable to create without Travis present. Pyramid Head is, in fact, stronger than the Butcher, as Pyramid Head is unkillable, but the Butcher is not.

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** This troper believes I believe Pyramid Head to be a creation of Silent Hill based off of the Butcher, which was created by the town by pulling it from Travis Grady, and which the town is thus unable to create without Travis present. Pyramid Head is, in fact, stronger than the Butcher, as Pyramid Head is unkillable, but the Butcher is not.



** This troper actually got the impression that Vincent's "They look like monsters to you?" remark was actually the somewhat more benign but still unsettling implication that the cultists actually saw the "monsters" of Silent Hill as more angelic or divine beings, since they're ostensibly servants of the cult's god and therefore, see them in a better light.
** This troper would hope that whatever law enforcement is on hand in Silent Hill would do a better job of stopping all these mass murderers before their kill counts hit the third digit.

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** This troper I actually got the impression that Vincent's "They look like monsters to you?" remark was actually the somewhat more benign but still unsettling implication that the cultists actually saw the "monsters" of Silent Hill as more angelic or divine beings, since they're ostensibly servants of the cult's god and therefore, see them in a better light.
** This troper I would hope that whatever law enforcement is on hand in Silent Hill would do a better job of stopping all these mass murderers before their kill counts hit the third digit.
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** This may be inadvertently [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by the backstory with Travis's mother considering Travis a "demon". [[spoiler: She even attempted to end Travis's life, but for different reasons than The Cult intended for Alessa's case.]]

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** This may be inadvertently [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by the backstory with Travis's mother considering Travis a "demon". [[spoiler: She even attempted to end Travis's life, life (and her own), but for different reasons than The Cult intended for Alessa's case.]]
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** This may be inadvertently [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by the backstory with Travis's mother considering Travis a "demon". [[spoiler: She even attempted to end Travis's life, but for different reasons than The Cult intended.]]

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** This may be inadvertently [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by the backstory with Travis's mother considering Travis a "demon". [[spoiler: She even attempted to end Travis's life, but for different reasons than The Cult intended.intended for Alessa's case.]]
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** This may be inadvertently [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by the backstory with Travis's mother considering Travis a "demon". [[spoiler: She even attempted to end Travis's life, but for different reasons than The Cult intended.]]

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[[folder: The whole series was Alex making up stories to entertain Josh.]]
Think about it, the tape you find of Adam telling Josh not to play pretend games with Alex, the fact Alex hates his parents and just wanted an excuse to hate them more. the reason Holloway is the villain and not Adam is because he suspects her of killing Norah.
* Of course, the versions he tells Josh is slightly different than the ones we see-(although Josh having nightmares because of hearing about cults and demons and human sacrifices would make sense)-this is because Alex tells his brother a more child-friendly version of the stories we know. Eventually Alex began to add more details and eventually published them under the name "Alan Wake".
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[[folder: The whole series was Alex making up stories to entertain Josh.]]
Think about it, the tape you find of Adam telling Josh not to play pretend games with Alex, the fact Alex hates his parents and just wanted an excuse to hate them more. the reason Holloway is the villain and not Adam is because he suspects her of killing Norah.
* Of course, the versions he tells Josh is slightly different than the ones we see-(although Josh having nightmares because of hearing about cults and demons and human sacrifices would make sense)-this is because Alex tells his brother a more child-friendly version of the stories we know. Eventually Alex began to add more details and eventually published them under the name "Alan Wake".
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Think about it, both are truckers,in the bad ending, it is revealed he was/is a serial killer of women, just like Driver. so, i figure he cut his hair short, dyed it, lost a few pounds and sorted out his bad teeth to avoid the police. think about it...

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Think about it, both are truckers,in the bad ending, it is revealed he was/is a serial killer of women, just like Driver. so, i figure he cut his hair short, dyed it, lost a few pounds and sorted out his bad teeth to avoid the police. think about it...[[/folder]]
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*** What everyone seems to have forgotten is that Vincent's "they look like monsters" comment was a joke by Vincent to freak out Heather. He even says so.
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[[folder:Travis from ''Origins'' is related to [[NoMoreHeroes Travis Touchdown]]
* Supported by the fact that Travis can get a luchador costume.

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* Supported From ''NoMoreHeroes'', supported by the fact that Travis can get a luchador costume.



[[folder:Alternately, Travis from ''Origins'' is related to [[HalfLife Gordon Freeman]]
Travis father looks like he could be Gordon Freeman's long lost twin brother or something, and Travis himself is a badly done attempt at TheStoic (except, like in the case of [[SilentHill4 Henry]], the animators missed the mark and ended up with DullSurprise), and all three men have severe underlying psychological problems that very well might be running int he family. (If I recall correctly, one of the weapons you can pick up in ''Origins'' is a crowbar, or at least a wrench...)

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[[folder:Alternately, Travis from ''Origins'' is related to [[HalfLife Gordon Freeman]]
Travis father looks like he could be [[HalfLife Gordon Freeman's Freeman]]'s long lost twin brother or something, and Travis himself is a badly done attempt at TheStoic (except, like in the case of [[SilentHill4 Henry]], the animators missed the mark and ended up with DullSurprise), and all three men have severe underlying psychological problems that very well might be running int he family. (If I recall correctly, one of the weapons you can pick up in ''Origins'' is a crowbar, or at least a wrench...)
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