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28th Feb '17 9:12:27 PM SteelEdge
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* The Hero of SMT 1 can summon up to three and then four demons at a time, due to the COMP hardware limitations. Aleph can summon five right away. Meanwhile, the Demi-Fiend, Flynn, and Nanashi are limited to three at a time due to the Press Turn system. Apocalypse's database states that hunters fuel their demons with naturally produced Magnetite, and the same goes for Raidou and his demons. The three demon limit for Flynn and Nanashi is intentional; Stephen most likely had a better version of the Demon Summoning Program by the time IV rolled around, and managed to make a program that summons lots of demons at a time. But Stephen also realized that most people can't find enough Magnetite to keep the demons around long enough to protect them, so he made the program to power the demons by the user's Magnetite. More than three demons at a time would strain the user too much, so the cap is at three.

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* The Hero of SMT 1 can summon up to three and then four demons at a time, due to the COMP hardware limitations. Aleph can summon five right away. Meanwhile, the Demi-Fiend, Flynn, and Nanashi are limited to three at a time due to the Press Turn system. Apocalypse's database states that hunters fuel their demons with naturally produced Magnetite, and the same goes for Raidou and his demons. The three demon limit for Flynn and Nanashi is intentional; Stephen most likely had a better version of the Demon Summoning Program by the time IV rolled around, and managed to make a program that summons lots of demons at a time. But Stephen also realized that most people can't find enough Magnetite to keep the demons around long enough to protect them, so he made the program to power the demons by the user's Magnetite. More than three demons at a time would strain the user too much, so the cap is at three. \n Also, since ''everyone'' with a phone can summon demons, more than three would be too dangerous for everyone else.


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[[WMG: Dying in a SMT game results in going to the River Styx by default]]
From game to game, the Game Over screens change. SMT 1 and 2 both show a river and a promise that every soul returns to the other end. The fourth game is almost identical, except Charon is up to his neck in souls and paperwork. Charon or the dialogue box claims that every soul passes through there. ''Nocturne'' and ''Apocalypse'' are different in that ''Nocturne'' involves angels coming to pick up Demi Fiend's soul, and ''Apocalypse'' shows Nanashi on a strangely abandoned train track to the afterlife. Angels are probably taking Demi Fiend's soul because he's a demon that is dangerously powerful, working for Lucifer, or both. ''Apocalypse'' is an oddity in that there's no reason why Nanashi wouldn't go to the River Styx other than the fact that [[AnthropicPrinciple the game wouldn't happen if he didn't meet Dagda]]. Maybe he believed more in Yomotsu Hirasaka than the River Styx before he died? It's not like Dagda was specifically searching for him.
25th Feb '17 8:44:26 AM SteelEdge
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[[WMG: The new Switch game takes place in a world where humans suddenly vanished]]
* The trailer shows lots of buildings that look completely intact on the outside, but the inside is full of greenery, a bit like ''Life After People''.
4th Feb '17 11:46:14 AM SteelEdge
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[[WMG: In SMT 1 and 2, the Hero and Aleph can use more demons than later characters because they're not fueling demons with their natural Magnetite]]
* The Hero of SMT 1 can summon up to three and then four demons at a time, due to the COMP hardware limitations. Aleph can summon five right away. Meanwhile, the Demi-Fiend, Flynn, and Nanashi are limited to three at a time due to the Press Turn system. Apocalypse's database states that hunters fuel their demons with naturally produced Magnetite, and the same goes for Raidou and his demons. The three demon limit for Flynn and Nanashi is intentional; Stephen most likely had a better version of the Demon Summoning Program by the time IV rolled around, and managed to make a program that summons lots of demons at a time. But Stephen also realized that most people can't find enough Magnetite to keep the demons around long enough to protect them, so he made the program to power the demons by the user's Magnetite. More than three demons at a time would strain the user too much, so the cap is at three.
3rd Dec '16 1:22:54 PM SteelEdge
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[[WMG: In the first and second games, only the main character can use the COMP because...]]
* The other characters don't know his password, and for some reason he refuses to tell.
* No one knows how to operate a computer.
* It breaks when he dies, and only he or the healers know how to fix it.
* Attempting to use his COMP to summon demons is dangerous because the demons are only contracted to him.
13th Oct '16 3:10:39 AM SpaceDrake
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* For ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApolcalypse'', however, [[spoiler:'''confirmed'''. At least somewhat. The game takes a somewhat Gnostic view in that YHVH/Yalbadaoth and the "Great Will" are semi-separate entities: YHVH thinks He is the sole creator, but He is part of the larger Great Will, which is significantly more benevolent, or at least non-'''mal'''evolent. Weirdly, however, in the "interim" (assuming there is one) between ''Devil Survivor'' and ''[=SMT4A=]'', Anael seems to have switched sides from the Great Will to YHVH, and it's Mastema who is mostly working separately from his angelic brethren to enact the desires of the Great Will, though this being Mastema, it's hard to tell either way.]]

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* For ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApolcalypse'', ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'', however, [[spoiler:'''confirmed'''. At least somewhat. The game takes a somewhat notably Gnostic view in that YHVH/Yalbadaoth and the "Great Will" are semi-separate entities: YHVH thinks He is the sole creator, but He is part of the larger Great Will, which is significantly more benevolent, or at least non-'''mal'''evolent. Weirdly, however, in the "interim" (assuming there is one) between ''Devil Survivor'' and ''[=SMT4A=]'', Anael seems to have switched sides from the Great Will to YHVH, and it's Mastema who is mostly working separately from his angelic brethren to enact the desires of the Great Will, though this being Mastema, it's hard to tell either way.]]
13th Oct '16 3:09:36 AM SpaceDrake
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** Jossed, at least as far as VideoGame/DevilSurvivor is concerned. In Naoya's Eight Day, Metatron shows up in person and acts pretty much exactly like YHVH usually does in YHVH's name. After losing to Abel, he attempts to summon Michael, Gabriel, Raphael and Uriel to nuke Earth but is interrupted.

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** * Jossed, at least as far as VideoGame/DevilSurvivor is concerned. In Naoya's Eight Day, Metatron shows up in person and acts pretty much exactly like YHVH usually does in YHVH's name. After losing to Abel, he attempts to summon Michael, Gabriel, Raphael and Uriel to nuke Earth but is interrupted.
* For ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApolcalypse'', however, [[spoiler:'''confirmed'''. At least somewhat. The game takes a somewhat Gnostic view in that YHVH/Yalbadaoth and the "Great Will" are semi-separate entities: YHVH thinks He is the sole creator, but He is part of the larger Great Will, which is significantly more benevolent, or at least non-'''mal'''evolent. Weirdly, however, in the "interim" (assuming there is one) between ''Devil Survivor'' and ''[=SMT4A=]'', Anael seems to have switched sides from the Great Will to YHVH, and it's Mastema who is mostly working separately from his angelic brethren to enact the desires of the Great Will, though this being Mastema, it's hard to tell either way.]]







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* Sadly, this seems to have been Jossed mostly because it looks like the "Persona" project on the 3DS was either cancelled, was mistaken for ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'', or was turned into ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'' mid-development.
** Funnily enough, however, ''if...'' is gaining more acknowledgement from Atlus in the form of DLC for ''Persona 5'' and whatnot, and in many ways is being treated like "Persona Zero" at this point.



13th Oct '16 2:57:35 AM SpaceDrake
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** [[spoiler:Although they are not actually very prominent as characters, in a real way this is '''confirmed!''' All four of the Seraphs are minibosses on the way to the showdown with the final boss, and despite the early bosses taking the form of Lucifer's crew of demons, the ultimate villains of ''[=P5=]'' use personae or are entities typically associated with the Law alignment and both of the game's {{Big Bad}}s are law-alignment villains.]]




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** Alas, Jossed, as [[spoiler:''[=P5=]'' does nothing to further the plot hooks from ''[=P4A=]''.]]
7th Oct '16 4:40:35 PM Ramidel
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We know that EternalRecurrence is part of how YHVH manages the world, with YHVH or other factors periodically annihilating and rebooting the world through various mechanisms. ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'' is set in a previous iteration of the universe, when the Great Will's avatar hadn't yet descended into solipsism. Instead, YHVH is honestly working to test and develop humanity, which means he's capable of dick moves still (exhibit A: Cain), but is overall a force for good. The Lockdown is a classic example of this: in a later universe, he sees humans summoning demons as a sign that it was time to [[NukeEm drop Thor's Hammer on the world]], but instead he wants to see whether humans can clean up their own mess, even if it means he might get kicked out of the universe, and he's okay with humanity's champion deciding to serve him, get rid of demonkind and send things back to square one, or take control of demonkind in a controlled manner. Metatron is even fairly respectful towards Abel if he decides to fight against God. He's also not fighting a war with Lucifer; Lucifer is only tangentially messing with the Bel shenanigans and doing so for his own amusement. And finally, for perhaps the first time in [=MegaTen=] history, the Angels are ''here to help'', with Remiel fighting for Amane's soul, and the others keeping tabs on the Lockdown and trying to prevent the absolute worst-case scenarios (such as a Belberith victory).

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We know that EternalRecurrence is part of how YHVH manages the world, with YHVH or other factors periodically annihilating and rebooting the world through various mechanisms. ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'' is set in a previous iteration of the universe, when the Great Will's avatar hadn't yet descended into solipsism. Instead, YHVH is honestly working to test and develop humanity, which means he's capable of dick moves still (exhibit A: Cain), but is overall a force for good. The Lockdown is a classic example of this: in a later universe, he sees humans summoning demons as a sign that it was time to [[NukeEm drop Thor's Hammer on the world]], but instead he wants to see whether humans can clean up their own mess, even if it means he might get kicked out of the universe, and he's okay with humanity's champion deciding sent angels to serve him, get rid of demonkind and send things back ''help'' as well as to square one, or take control of demonkind in a controlled manner. Metatron is even fairly respectful towards Abel if he decides to fight against God. He's also not fighting a war with Lucifer; Lucifer is only tangentially messing with the Bel shenanigans and doing so for his own amusement. And finally, for perhaps the first time in [=MegaTen=] history, the Angels are ''here to help'', with Remiel fighting for Amane's soul, and the others keeping tabs on the Lockdown and trying to prevent the absolute worst-case scenarios test humanity (such as a Belberith victory).Remiel).
7th Oct '16 4:38:26 PM Ramidel
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[[WMG: Devil Survivor is in a continuity predating the fall of YHVH]]
We know that EternalRecurrence is part of how YHVH manages the world, with YHVH or other factors periodically annihilating and rebooting the world through various mechanisms. ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'' is set in a previous iteration of the universe, when the Great Will's avatar hadn't yet descended into solipsism. Instead, YHVH is honestly working to test and develop humanity, which means he's capable of dick moves still (exhibit A: Cain), but is overall a force for good. The Lockdown is a classic example of this: in a later universe, he sees humans summoning demons as a sign that it was time to [[NukeEm drop Thor's Hammer on the world]], but instead he wants to see whether humans can clean up their own mess, even if it means he might get kicked out of the universe, and he's okay with humanity's champion deciding to serve him, get rid of demonkind and send things back to square one, or take control of demonkind in a controlled manner. Metatron is even fairly respectful towards Abel if he decides to fight against God. He's also not fighting a war with Lucifer; Lucifer is only tangentially messing with the Bel shenanigans and doing so for his own amusement. And finally, for perhaps the first time in [=MegaTen=] history, the Angels are ''here to help'', with Remiel fighting for Amane's soul, and the others keeping tabs on the Lockdown and trying to prevent the absolute worst-case scenarios (such as a Belberith victory).
13th Sep '16 6:52:01 AM Materioptikon
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** As a corollary, it was a sort of mixed bag. While Lucifer and the Demi-Fiend were indeed killed and YHVH was spurred to become the puppetmaster for both sides of the war, it succeeded in drawing the Great Will's attention. Since the biggest guy of them all is now fully aware of the extent of the damage, and more crucially, how to fix it, it was a matter of time until YHVH's shown the door. Since the MadGod's still pretty banged up, his chances are... less than optimal, ensuring the victory of the Great Will's champions.

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** As a corollary, it was a sort of mixed bag. While Lucifer and the Demi-Fiend were indeed killed and YHVH was spurred to become the puppetmaster for both sides of the war, it succeeded in drawing the Great Will's attention. Since the biggest guy of them all is now fully aware of the extent of the damage, and more crucially, how to fix it, it was a matter of time until YHVH's shown the door. Since the MadGod's still pretty banged up, licking his wounds, his chances are... less than optimal, pretty bad, ensuring the victory of the Great Will's champions.
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