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13th Feb '17 4:29:03 PM Bissek
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On top of that, even though the ongoing expenses of the Jihad have gone away, the debts accrued from money already spent has not. And at least two of Duchairn's efforts to fund the Jihad are in a position to backfire now that the war is lost. First, he sold off virtually all church-owned properties in the Empire of Charis. Since Charis won the war, it's doubtful that the Church of Charis is going to honor those bills of sale. Second, he issued a large number of war bonds, to be paid back after Mother Church's victory. Some people might interpret that as 'end of the war', even though Zion lost, and seek reimbursement.

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On top of that, even though the ongoing expenses of the Jihad have gone away, the debts accrued from money already spent has not. And at least two of Duchairn's efforts to fund the Jihad are in a position to backfire now that the war is lost. First, he sold off virtually all church-owned properties in the Empire of Charis. Since Charis won the war, it's doubtful that the Church of Charis is going to honor those bills of sale. Second, he issued a large number of war bonds, to be paid back after Mother Church's victory. Some people might interpret that as 'end of the war', even though Zion lost, and seek reimbursement.reimbursement.

And on top of that, the value of the Church mark against everyone else's currency (but especially Charis') has been dropping like a rock for years.
25th Jan '17 4:02:28 PM Bissek
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He was utterly disgraced by Nimue, is unlikely to get any sympathy from his fellow Guardsmen, and is even less likely to realize that his situation is his own fault. Clyntahn's people could easily offer to help him get revenge, or as he sees it, justice. Which could be a problem as he knows quite a bit about security arrangements in Manchyr.

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He was utterly disgraced by Nimue, is unlikely to get any sympathy from his fellow Guardsmen, and is even less likely to realize that his situation is his own fault. Clyntahn's people could easily offer to help him get revenge, or as he sees it, justice. Which could be a problem as he knows quite a bit about security arrangements in Manchyr.Manchyr.

[[WMG: The Church is going to face a financial crisis in book 10]]
The war may be over, so the costs of the Jihad have gone away, and there's no longer any naval blockade preventing Temple Loyalists from sending tithes to Zion. But a substantial majority of the people in the Empire of Charis aren't Temple Loyalists, so the sizes of those tithes are going to be much smaller. In addition, it looks like there are going to be more splinter churches forming in Siddermark and North Harchong, and people in other countries are now free to break from Mother Church and worship in one of the splinter churches as well, making even more of a drop in income.

On top of that, even though the ongoing expenses of the Jihad have gone away, the debts accrued from money already spent has not. And at least two of Duchairn's efforts to fund the Jihad are in a position to backfire now that the war is lost. First, he sold off virtually all church-owned properties in the Empire of Charis. Since Charis won the war, it's doubtful that the Church of Charis is going to honor those bills of sale. Second, he issued a large number of war bonds, to be paid back after Mother Church's victory. Some people might interpret that as 'end of the war', even though Zion lost, and seek reimbursement.
4th Jan '17 6:05:19 PM Bissek
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** After the Jihad ends, it's mentioned that Harchong doesn't want the thousands of surviving combat-trained peasants coming back home for fear of a peasant uprising, though the question of what ultimately happens to them isn't answered by the end of book 9.
4th Jan '17 6:02:13 PM Bissek
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*** Additionally, thanks to the captain's service to the Inquisition in apprehending Hauwerd, said cptain was made the leader of Duchairn's guard detail. And Hauwerd knew that Duchairn was the last, most desperate hope of defeating Clyntahn they had now that the Circle was about to be massacred.

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*** Additionally, thanks to the captain's service to the Inquisition in apprehending Hauwerd, said cptain captain was made the leader of Duchairn's guard detail. And Hauwerd knew that Duchairn was the last, most desperate hope of defeating Clyntahn they had now that the Circle was about to be massacred.
** [[spoiler:Semi-confirmed. Duchairn, with the help of Hauwerd's backup Helm Cleaver network (of which the head of Duchairn's guard detail is a member), launches a coup to overthrow the Inquisition and becomes Grand Vicar. So while he gets the job, it's not due to an election.]]
15th Nov '16 1:37:04 PM sgamer82
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Jossed in ''At the Sign of Trimph''. In the book's finale, [[spoiler:Clyntahn is arrested and set to be executed. His attempts to remain DefiantToTheEnd crumble when Merlin and Nimue show him archive footage of the "archangels"]].
4th Jan '16 6:25:31 PM Sivartius
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[[WMG: Schuler suffered from [[MesaCrowd Disassociative Personality Disorder]] ]]

There are extreme differences between how he appears in the Key and [[spoilers: Seijin Khody's diary]] and how he appears in the writ and in the effects that followed the afformentioned [[spoilers: diary]]. He's also a person who suffered through a [[DespairEventHorizon soul breaking life]]

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[[WMG: Schuler suffered from [[MesaCrowd [[SplitPersonality Disassociative Personality Disorder]] ]]

There are extreme differences between how he appears in the Key and [[spoilers: [[spoiler: Seijin Khody's diary]] and how he appears in the writ and in the effects that followed the afformentioned [[spoilers: [[spoiler: diary]]. He's also a person who suffered through a [[DespairEventHorizon soul breaking life]]
4th Jan '16 6:19:37 PM Sivartius
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[[WMG: Schuler suffered from [[MesaCrowd Disassociative Personality Disorder]] ]]

There are extreme differences between how he appears in the Key and [[spoilers: Seijin Khody's diary]] and how he appears in the writ and in the effects that followed the afformentioned [[spoilers: diary]]. He's also a person who suffered through a [[DespairEventHorizon soul breaking life]]
19th Nov '15 4:05:53 AM Bissek
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Langhorne and Bedard both knew that the religion they cultivated needed an evil figure to make their religion stick and Shan Wei fit the bill. It required some pretense, but the two of them always knew that eventually the Rakurai would need to come down on Shan Wei and her followers to finish that portion of the mythology.

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Langhorne and Bedard both knew that the religion they cultivated needed an evil figure to make their religion stick and Shan Wei fit the bill. It required some pretense, but the two of them always knew that eventually the Rakurai would need to come down on Shan Wei and her followers to finish that portion of the mythology.mythology.

[[WMG: Charlz Sheltyn is going to go over to the Inquisition]]
He was utterly disgraced by Nimue, is unlikely to get any sympathy from his fellow Guardsmen, and is even less likely to realize that his situation is his own fault. Clyntahn's people could easily offer to help him get revenge, or as he sees it, justice. Which could be a problem as he knows quite a bit about security arrangements in Manchyr.
18th Oct '15 10:14:12 PM Adeon
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**[[spoiler:There's a faked attempted assassination. The person doing it claims to be a Charisian spy but is actually trying to save Thirsk's family from the Inquisition. When he realizes that the Inquisition is onto him he non-fatally shoots Thirsk before killing himself in order to avoid having the Inquisition realize that Thirsk was also involved. ItMakesSenseInContext.]]
18th Apr '15 7:10:40 PM sgamer82
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Langhorne and Bedard both knew that the religion they cultivated needed an evil figure to make their religion stick and Shan Wei fit the bill. It required some pretense, but the two of them always knew that eventually the Rakurai would need to come down on the Shan Wei and her followers to finish that portion of the mythology.

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Langhorne and Bedard both knew that the religion they cultivated needed an evil figure to make their religion stick and Shan Wei fit the bill. It required some pretense, but the two of them always knew that eventually the Rakurai would need to come down on the Shan Wei and her followers to finish that portion of the mythology.
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