History WMG / PrincessMononoke

23rd Mar '17 1:47:31 AM RachaelLefler
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Notably the only two humans who converse with the spirits are [[AllLovingHero Ashitaka]] and [[RaisedByWolves San]] both of whom would a reason to understand the spirits; San because she was raised in the forest and would have learned their language and Ashitaka due to being marked by the angry spirit Nago which could have granted him the ability to hear the voice of the spirits along with his superstrength and other abilities.

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Notably the only two humans who converse with the spirits are [[AllLovingHero Ashitaka]] and [[RaisedByWolves San]] both of whom would a reason to understand the spirits; San because she was raised in the forest and would have learned their language and Ashitaka due to being marked by the angry spirit Nago which could have granted him the ability to hear the voice of the spirits along with his superstrength and other abilities.abilities.

[[WMG: Ashitaka is still going to die.]]
* They just didn't show it because they wanted to avoid the obvious [[DownerEnding sad ending]] that would end the film on. There's no real indication that he will live. The Forest God healed his bullet wound, but did not heal his wound from Nago; it left that alone either on purpose for some reason, or did not have the power to heal it. Perhaps because the wound was caused by the hatred of man, it could not be healed by a nature spirit at all. The wise woman said he could never change that fate. This would also explain why he decided to part ways with San instead of pursuing a closer relationship with her (living in the forest with her and whatnot). He wants to spare her the pain of having to get close to him only to see him die. All he's hoping for is like Okkoto and Moro got - a painless death. He's just hoping that the curse ends with him.
16th Jan '17 9:08:38 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** Because they specifically say that Ashitaka is an emishi, an indigenous group from northeastern Honshu. They're a dying race today, so they would be wiped out by time Nausicaa takes place. Princess Mononoke takes place in feudal japan.

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** Because they specifically say that Ashitaka is an emishi, Emishi, an indigenous group from northeastern Honshu. They're a basically extinct today (and even their successor ethnic groups are at risk of dying race today, out), so they would be wiped out by time Nausicaa takes place. Princess Mononoke takes place in feudal japan.Japan.
28th Dec '16 8:32:13 PM Hard2break
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** This would be tragic whether she knows or not--if she knows San's heritage and regrets both defiling Moro's forest and leaving her infant daughter as wolf-food, [[FridgeHorror what happened to her husband]]? Moro mentions that ''both parents'' were there when they threw San at her in a panic. And if she ''doesn't'' know about San, then she's unknowingly trying to kill/subjugate her own daughter.

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** This would be tragic whether she knows or not--if she knows San's heritage and regrets both defiling Moro's forest and leaving her infant daughter as wolf-food, [[FridgeHorror what happened to her husband]]? Moro mentions that ''both parents'' were there when they threw San at her in a panic. And if she ''doesn't'' know about San, then she's unknowingly trying to kill/subjugate her own daughter.daughter.

[[WMG: There are two sets of languages spoken in the movie; those of humans and animal spirit language]]

* In almost every interaction between the humans and nature spirits, we never see or heard them converse with each other only making remarks. While this could attributed to both sides viewing the other as destructive and chaotic, another explanation could be found in a language barrier that literally prevents each side from understanding each other. The first time we see a human and spirit talk to each other is in the beginning when Nago the demonic boar dies from Ashitaka's arrow and the wise woman from the village apoligies and prays for the boar's peace. Nago doesnt react to this apology except to curse the humans while the villagers seem unfazed by the boar's words. In this case, Nago may not have realized what the wise elder was saying and may have taken it as mockery.
Notably the only two humans who converse with the spirits are [[AllLovingHero Ashitaka]] and [[RaisedByWolves San]] both of whom would a reason to understand the spirits; San because she was raised in the forest and would have learned their language and Ashitaka due to being marked by the angry spirit Nago which could have granted him the ability to hear the voice of the spirits along with his superstrength and other abilities.
10th Jul '16 9:31:06 PM Sharysa
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** [[{{Tropers/Sharysa}} This Troper]] wonders if it's a stealth reference to CelticMythology--Miyazaki was inspired by ''The Great Boar of Bel Gulben,'' an Irish folktale, and many European fairies are noted to be weak to ''ColdIron''. The animal-spirits are called gods, but they act MUCH closer to TheFairFolk due to their Shinto nature. Plus, the "poisoning" takes effect for Okkoto almost immediately after getting shot, and even the best physical poisons probably won't work against a fucking ''god.'' ColdIron weakens European fairies because it's a symbol of human civilization: Once a Shinto forest-spirit gets shot, it poisons them because they've got a piece of civilization ''stuck in their flesh and they can't get it out.'' San may have [[SuckOutThePoison tried to suck the poison out]] from Moro's wound because she mistook the magical "poisoning" for literal poison, but Moro wouldn't have known to correct her because [[YourMindMakesItReal it's the same thing to a god.]]

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** [[{{Tropers/Sharysa}} This Troper]] wonders if it's a stealth reference to CelticMythology--Miyazaki was inspired by ''The Great Boar of Bel Gulben,'' an Irish folktale, and many European fairies are noted to be weak to ''ColdIron''. The animal-spirits are called gods, but they act MUCH closer to TheFairFolk due to their Shinto nature. Plus, the "poisoning" takes effect for Okkoto almost immediately after getting shot, and even the best physical poisons probably won't work against a fucking ''god.'' ColdIron weakens European fairies because it's a symbol of human civilization: Once civilization, so once a Shinto forest-spirit gets shot, it poisons them because they've got a literal piece of civilization ''stuck in their flesh and they can't get it out.'' San may have [[SuckOutThePoison tried to suck the poison out]] from Moro's wound because she mistook the magical "poisoning" for literal poison, but Moro wouldn't have known to correct her because [[YourMindMakesItReal it's the same thing to a god.]]
10th Jul '16 9:29:39 PM Sharysa
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** [[{{Tropers/Sharysa}} This Troper]] wonders if it's a stealth reference to CelticMythology--Miyazaki was inspired by ''The Great Boar of Bel Gulben,'' an Irish folktale, and many European fairies are noted to be weak to ''ColdIron''. The animal-spirits are called gods, but they act MUCH closer to TheFairFolk due to their Shinto nature. Plus, the "poisoning" takes effect for Okkoto almost immediately after getting shot, and even the best physical poisons probably won't work against a fucking ''god.'' ColdIron weakens European fairies because it's a symbol of human civilization, so once a Shinto forest-spirit gets shot, it poisons them because they've got a piece of civilization ''stuck in their flesh and they can't get it out.'' San may have been [[SuckOutThePoison trying to suck the poison out]] because she mistook the magical "poisoning" for literal poison, but Moro wouldn't have known to correct her because [[YourMindMakesItReal it's the same thing to a god.]]

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** [[{{Tropers/Sharysa}} This Troper]] wonders if it's a stealth reference to CelticMythology--Miyazaki was inspired by ''The Great Boar of Bel Gulben,'' an Irish folktale, and many European fairies are noted to be weak to ''ColdIron''. The animal-spirits are called gods, but they act MUCH closer to TheFairFolk due to their Shinto nature. Plus, the "poisoning" takes effect for Okkoto almost immediately after getting shot, and even the best physical poisons probably won't work against a fucking ''god.'' ColdIron weakens European fairies because it's a symbol of human civilization, so once civilization: Once a Shinto forest-spirit gets shot, it poisons them because they've got a piece of civilization ''stuck in their flesh and they can't get it out.'' San may have been [[SuckOutThePoison trying tried to suck the poison out]] from Moro's wound because she mistook the magical "poisoning" for literal poison, but Moro wouldn't have known to correct her because [[YourMindMakesItReal it's the same thing to a god.]]
10th Jul '16 9:27:54 PM Sharysa
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** [[{{Tropers/Sharysa}} This Troper]] wonders if it's a stealth reference to CelticMythology--Miyazaki has told people that he was inspired by ''The Great Boar of Bel Gulben,'' an Irish folktale, and many European fairies are noted to be weak to ''ColdIron''. The animal-spirits are called gods, but they act MUCH closer to TheFairFolk due to their Shinto nature. Plus, the "poisoning" takes effect for Okkoto almost immediately after getting shot, and even the best physical poisons probably won't work against a fucking ''god.'' ColdIron weakens European fairies because it's a symbol of human civilization, so once a Shinto forest-spirit gets shot, it poisons them because they've got a piece of civilization ''stuck in their flesh and they can't get it out.'' San may have been [[SuckOutThePoison trying to suck the poison out]] because she mistook the magical "poisoning" for literal poison, but Moro wouldn't have known to correct her because [[YourMindMakesItReal it's the same thing to a god.]]

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** [[{{Tropers/Sharysa}} This Troper]] wonders if it's a stealth reference to CelticMythology--Miyazaki has told people that he was inspired by ''The Great Boar of Bel Gulben,'' an Irish folktale, and many European fairies are noted to be weak to ''ColdIron''. The animal-spirits are called gods, but they act MUCH closer to TheFairFolk due to their Shinto nature. Plus, the "poisoning" takes effect for Okkoto almost immediately after getting shot, and even the best physical poisons probably won't work against a fucking ''god.'' ColdIron weakens European fairies because it's a symbol of human civilization, so once a Shinto forest-spirit gets shot, it poisons them because they've got a piece of civilization ''stuck in their flesh and they can't get it out.'' San may have been [[SuckOutThePoison trying to suck the poison out]] because she mistook the magical "poisoning" for literal poison, but Moro wouldn't have known to correct her because [[YourMindMakesItReal it's the same thing to a god.]]
10th Jul '16 9:26:59 PM Sharysa
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** [[{{Tropers/Sharysa}} This Troper]] wonders if it's a stealth reference to CelticMythology--Miyazaki has told people that he was inspired by ''The Great Boar of Bel Gulben,'' an Irish folktale, and many European fairies are noted to be weak to ''ColdIron''. The animal-spirits are called gods, but they act MUCH closer to TheFairFolk due to their Shinto nature. Plus, the "poisoning" takes effect for Okkoto almost immediately after getting shot, and even the best physical poisons probably won't work against a fucking ''god.'' ColdIron weakens European fairies because it's a symbol of human civilization, so once a Shinto forest-spirit gets shot, it poisons them because they've got a piece of civilization ''stuck in their flesh and they can't get it out.'' San may have been SuckingOutThePoison because she mistook the magical "poisoning" for literal poison, but Moro wouldn't have known to correct her because [[YourMindMakesItReal it's the same thing to a god.]]

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** [[{{Tropers/Sharysa}} This Troper]] wonders if it's a stealth reference to CelticMythology--Miyazaki has told people that he was inspired by ''The Great Boar of Bel Gulben,'' an Irish folktale, and many European fairies are noted to be weak to ''ColdIron''. The animal-spirits are called gods, but they act MUCH closer to TheFairFolk due to their Shinto nature. Plus, the "poisoning" takes effect for Okkoto almost immediately after getting shot, and even the best physical poisons probably won't work against a fucking ''god.'' ColdIron weakens European fairies because it's a symbol of human civilization, so once a Shinto forest-spirit gets shot, it poisons them because they've got a piece of civilization ''stuck in their flesh and they can't get it out.'' San may have been SuckingOutThePoison [[SuckOutThePoison trying to suck the poison out]] because she mistook the magical "poisoning" for literal poison, but Moro wouldn't have known to correct her because [[YourMindMakesItReal it's the same thing to a god.]]
10th Jul '16 9:25:52 PM Sharysa
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** [[{{Tropers/Sharysa}} This Troper]] wonders if it's a stealth reference to CelticMythology--Miyazaki has told people that he was inspired by ''The Great Boar of Bel Gulben,'' an Irish folktale, and many European fairies are noted to be weak to ''ColdIron''. The animal-spirits are called gods, but they act MUCH closer to TheFairFolk due to their Shinto nature. Plus, the "poisoning" takes effect for Okkoto almost immediately after getting shot, and even the best physical poisons probably won't work against a fucking ''god.'' ColdIron weakens European fairies because it's a symbol of human civilization, so once a Shinto forest-spirit gets shot, it poisons them because they've got a piece of civilization ''stuck in their flesh and they can't get it out.'' San may have been SuckingOutThePoison because she mistook the magical "poisoning" for literal poison, but Moro wouldn't have known to correct her because [[YourMindMakesItReal it's the same thing to a god.]]
23rd Sep '15 4:00:24 PM nombretomado
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* is Fenris, from {{Norse Mythology}}. Because they are both giant wolves!

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* is Fenris, from {{Norse Myth/{{Norse Mythology}}. Because they are both giant wolves!
25th Feb '15 2:52:11 PM Sharysa
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* When she's talking to Ashitaka about her, she seems to talk in a somewhat melancholy tone, almost... regretful.

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* When she's talking to Ashitaka about her, she seems to talk in a somewhat melancholy tone, almost... regretful.regretful.
** This would be tragic whether she knows or not--if she knows San's heritage and regrets both defiling Moro's forest and leaving her infant daughter as wolf-food, [[FridgeHorror what happened to her husband]]? Moro mentions that ''both parents'' were there when they threw San at her in a panic. And if she ''doesn't'' know about San, then she's unknowingly trying to kill/subjugate her own daughter.
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