History WMG / Ooku

20th Jan '16 4:42:37 PM kazokuhouou
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If there's any point to Ooku, it's that a matriarchy would be no different from a patriarchy and this proves it. The last thing the powerful women want is a more even gender ratio because that would mean soon men would threaten their iron grip on government. So they deliberately suppressed it, hiding behind a traditionalist stance, so they could keep their power.

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If there's any point to Ooku, it's that a matriarchy would be no different from a patriarchy and this proves it. The last thing the powerful women want is a more even gender ratio because that would mean soon men would threaten their iron grip on government. So they deliberately suppressed it, hiding behind a traditionalist stance, so they could keep their power.power.
* Well, certainly ''Harusada'' did so. Whether others shared her mindset or just followed orders is unclear.
16th Mar '15 9:00:29 PM kazokuhouou
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Assuming that the manga ends sometime in what would be in our world the Bakumatsu or the Meiji Restoration, the opening of Japan by the United States and other Western powers would unwittingly unleash the Redface Pox. First spreading among Western delegates and Chinese traders, it soon becomes a global epidemic rivaling the Black Death and Spanish Flu, wrecking havoc, especially on industrial civilization. As the Tokugawa Shogunate already was accustomed to the Pox, the Japanese would suddenly find themselves facing a great opportunity to establish themselves as a great power while the rest of the world continues to struggle.

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Assuming that the manga ends sometime in what would be in our world the Bakumatsu or the Meiji Restoration, the opening of Japan by the United States and other Western powers would unwittingly unleash the Redface Pox. First spreading among Western delegates and Chinese traders, it soon becomes a global epidemic rivaling the Black Death and Spanish Flu, wrecking havoc, especially on industrial civilization. As the Tokugawa Shogunate already was accustomed to the Pox, the Japanese would suddenly find themselves facing a great opportunity to establish themselves as a great power while the rest of the world continues to struggle.struggle.

[[WMG: The Redface Pox inoculation was deliberately suppressed.]]
If there's any point to Ooku, it's that a matriarchy would be no different from a patriarchy and this proves it. The last thing the powerful women want is a more even gender ratio because that would mean soon men would threaten their iron grip on government. So they deliberately suppressed it, hiding behind a traditionalist stance, so they could keep their power.
20th Jan '15 6:48:43 PM msq
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* Spoilers for Basilisk WILL follow. The whole plot is basically 'two ninja clans fight and who wins decides who will be shogun next, the future Iemitsu or his brother'. Kasuga, then known as Lady Ofuku, sided with the Iga and had tried to manipulate events so they would win, despite it being verboten to intervene in the fight. [[spoiler: After Oboro, the heiress of the Iga clan, died, Ofuku tried to get her men to kill Gennosuke, the heir to the Koga clan, only for her men to kill themselves due to Gennosuke's special ability. Ofuku suffered a VillainousBreakdown at her belief that she had lost and Takechiyo (Iemitsu) would be displaced as heir. As punishment, Hattori Hanzo never told her that Gennosuke abdicated victory and that Takechiyo would be shogun after all. However, she never recovered from her breakdown and, in her delusion, began to imagine a world where her beloved Takechiyo became shogun after all. In truth though, she wanted power for herself, which is why she started imagining Iemitsu as female. Thus all the later shoguns were female-they are herself. Yes, even after she would be dead, but this is the delusions of an insane woman.]]

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* Spoilers for Basilisk WILL follow. The whole plot is basically 'two ninja clans fight and who wins decides who will be shogun next, the future Iemitsu or his brother'. Kasuga, then known as Lady Ofuku, sided with the Iga and had tried to manipulate events so they would win, despite it being verboten to intervene in the fight. [[spoiler: After Oboro, the heiress of the Iga clan, died, Ofuku tried to get her men to kill Gennosuke, the heir to the Koga clan, only for her men to kill themselves due to Gennosuke's special ability. Ofuku suffered a VillainousBreakdown at her belief that she had lost and Takechiyo (Iemitsu) would be displaced as heir. As punishment, Hattori Hanzo never told her that Gennosuke abdicated victory and that Takechiyo would be shogun after all. However, she never recovered from her breakdown and, in her delusion, began to imagine a world where her beloved Takechiyo became shogun after all. In truth though, she wanted power for herself, which is why she started imagining Iemitsu as female. Thus all the later shoguns were female-they are herself. Yes, even after she would be dead, but this is the delusions of an insane woman.]]]]

[[WMG: The opening of Japan will unleash the Redface Pox upon the world. With Japan taking advantage of the chaos.]]
Assuming that the manga ends sometime in what would be in our world the Bakumatsu or the Meiji Restoration, the opening of Japan by the United States and other Western powers would unwittingly unleash the Redface Pox. First spreading among Western delegates and Chinese traders, it soon becomes a global epidemic rivaling the Black Death and Spanish Flu, wrecking havoc, especially on industrial civilization. As the Tokugawa Shogunate already was accustomed to the Pox, the Japanese would suddenly find themselves facing a great opportunity to establish themselves as a great power while the rest of the world continues to struggle.
26th Nov '14 7:05:00 PM kazokuhouou
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* Update: There have been reports that there will be a volume 11, but it does indeed look like we're building up to a climax/denouement: [[spoiler: Harusada's son Takechiyo/Toyochiyo has been crowned Shogun Ienari.]]
28th Oct '14 11:27:52 AM kazokuhouou
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Turns out Japan had nothing to worry about regarding conquest: the Redface Pox was a worldwide epidemic and women are the dominant gender around the world.

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Turns out Japan had nothing to worry about regarding conquest: the Redface Pox was a worldwide epidemic and women are the dominant gender around the world.world.

[[WMG: Ooku is all a delusion of Kasuga's after her VillainousBreakdown in ''Manga/{{Basilisk}}]]
* Spoilers for Basilisk WILL follow. The whole plot is basically 'two ninja clans fight and who wins decides who will be shogun next, the future Iemitsu or his brother'. Kasuga, then known as Lady Ofuku, sided with the Iga and had tried to manipulate events so they would win, despite it being verboten to intervene in the fight. [[spoiler: After Oboro, the heiress of the Iga clan, died, Ofuku tried to get her men to kill Gennosuke, the heir to the Koga clan, only for her men to kill themselves due to Gennosuke's special ability. Ofuku suffered a VillainousBreakdown at her belief that she had lost and Takechiyo (Iemitsu) would be displaced as heir. As punishment, Hattori Hanzo never told her that Gennosuke abdicated victory and that Takechiyo would be shogun after all. However, she never recovered from her breakdown and, in her delusion, began to imagine a world where her beloved Takechiyo became shogun after all. In truth though, she wanted power for herself, which is why she started imagining Iemitsu as female. Thus all the later shoguns were female-they are herself. Yes, even after she would be dead, but this is the delusions of an insane woman.]]
10th Mar '14 6:34:53 PM kazokuhouou
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** More to the point, even if the rest of the world dodged the proverbial bullet in terms of the Red-Faced Pox, the opening of Japan will smack the rest of the world with a virgin field epidemic almost tailor made to shatter the Imperial Powers of the age.

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** More to the point, even if the rest of the world dodged the proverbial bullet in terms of the Red-Faced Pox, the opening of Japan will smack the rest of the world with a virgin field epidemic almost tailor made to shatter the Imperial Powers of the age.age.
*** Fair points to both. To address the former...perhaps population status quo is restored by the time Perry shows and patriarchy restored by the Meiji Restoration? And as for the latter that does bring to mind something: we only have a Dutch captain's word that the rest of the world is unaffected, and for all we know, he could have left the Netherlands right before the Redface Pox hits. If the pox started in bears that spells trouble cause unless this is a species of bear exclusive to Japan, it could spread to other bears before it hits humans, and all it would take is one bear or infected human to make it to the mainland to spread it. For all we know, ALL of the world got poxed. Which brings me to my ''new'' WMG.

[[WMG: The manga will end with Commodore Perry arriving...and Perry will be a ''woman''.]]
Turns out Japan had nothing to worry about regarding conquest: the Redface Pox was a worldwide epidemic and women are the dominant gender around the world.
9th Mar '14 3:57:53 AM H.TorranceGriffin
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*** Which is just as well, really, while it'd have been symbolic to make status quo become God at the Meiji Restoration, as of volume nine we're only two shoguns away from Commodore Perry forcing Japan open at gunpoint. It'd have to be restored by then or else the Americans wouldn't think twice about forcing Manifest Destiny on them and that's too wildly Alternate Timeline, even for Ooku.

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*** Which is just as well, really, while it'd have been symbolic to make status quo become God at the Meiji Restoration, as of volume nine we're only two shoguns away from Commodore Perry forcing Japan open at gunpoint. It'd have to be restored by then or else the Americans wouldn't think twice about forcing Manifest Destiny on them and that's too wildly Alternate Timeline, even for Ooku.Ooku.
* Two Points.
** Given that "Women's Work" is at this point is "Everything but Dutch Medicine and perhaps soldiery" there is a lot of inertia to overcome if anyone seeks to restore [[StayInTheKitchen pre-plague-patriarchy]]. Things will get more egalitarian than the current LadyLand, but the governing classes are not going to conveniently die off.
** More to the point, even if the rest of the world dodged the proverbial bullet in terms of the Red-Faced Pox, the opening of Japan will smack the rest of the world with a virgin field epidemic almost tailor made to shatter the Imperial Powers of the age.
3rd Mar '14 11:33:07 PM kazokuhouou
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** I think I have to amend this WMG: based on reports that the mangaka wanted to end at Volume 10, the front cover (if Amazon is to be believed) has many people instead of just one (which makes me think it's the GrandFinale), and Harusada (daughter of Yoshimune's youngest daughter, and historically will provide Ieharu's heir) has at least one ''son'' (that is seen anyway), it's possible that the pox will end right around the time the male Ienari takes power. (Without being able to read Japanese though, I wouldn't be able to confirm or deny it though.)

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** I think I have to amend this WMG: based on reports that the mangaka wanted to end at Volume 10, the front cover (if Amazon is to be believed) has many people instead of just one (which makes me think it's the GrandFinale), and Harusada (daughter of Yoshimune's youngest daughter, and historically will provide Ieharu's heir) has at least one ''son'' (that is seen anyway), it's possible that the pox will end right around the time the male Ienari takes power. (Without being able to read Japanese though, I wouldn't be able to confirm or deny it though.))
*** Which is just as well, really, while it'd have been symbolic to make status quo become God at the Meiji Restoration, as of volume nine we're only two shoguns away from Commodore Perry forcing Japan open at gunpoint. It'd have to be restored by then or else the Americans wouldn't think twice about forcing Manifest Destiny on them and that's too wildly Alternate Timeline, even for Ooku.
28th Feb '14 5:04:03 PM kazokuhouou
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** I think I have to amend this WMG: based on reports that the mangaka wanted to end at Volume 10, the front cover (if Amazon is to be believed) has many people instead of just one, and Harusada (daughter of Yoshimune's youngest daughter, and historically will provide Ieharu's heir) has at least one ''son'' (that is seen anyway), it's possible that the pox will end right around the time the male Ienari takes power. (Without being able to read Japanese though, I wouldn't be able to confirm or deny it though.)

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** I think I have to amend this WMG: based on reports that the mangaka wanted to end at Volume 10, the front cover (if Amazon is to be believed) has many people instead of just one, one (which makes me think it's the GrandFinale), and Harusada (daughter of Yoshimune's youngest daughter, and historically will provide Ieharu's heir) has at least one ''son'' (that is seen anyway), it's possible that the pox will end right around the time the male Ienari takes power. (Without being able to read Japanese though, I wouldn't be able to confirm or deny it though.)
28th Feb '14 5:03:26 PM kazokuhouou
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** I think I have to amend this WMG: based on reports that the mangaka wanted to end at Volume 10, the front cover (if Amazon is to be believed) has many people instead of just one, and Harusada (daughter of Yoshimune's youngest daughter, and historically will provide Ieharu's heir) has at least one ''son'' (that is seen anyway), it's possible that the pox will end right around the time the male Ienari takes power.

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** I think I have to amend this WMG: based on reports that the mangaka wanted to end at Volume 10, the front cover (if Amazon is to be believed) has many people instead of just one, and Harusada (daughter of Yoshimune's youngest daughter, and historically will provide Ieharu's heir) has at least one ''son'' (that is seen anyway), it's possible that the pox will end right around the time the male Ienari takes power. (Without being able to read Japanese though, I wouldn't be able to confirm or deny it though.)
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