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21st Apr '17 9:43:32 PM nombretomado
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* I think you are perfectly correct. Suda51 stated his inspiration for this game was the equally bizarre film El Topo. Which was not supposed to make sense, but had an assassin killing other gunslingers. Fans try to ask him if there is anything more in common with this film, and he says no he just got the idea about assassins. People forget the point of the film and NMH is to make -no- sense.

[[WMG:NMH is a self-parody of Suda51 games.]]

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* I think you are perfectly correct. Suda51 Creator/Suda51 stated his inspiration for this game was the equally bizarre film El Topo. Which was not supposed to make sense, but had an assassin killing other gunslingers. Fans try to ask him if there is anything more in common with this film, and he says no he just got the idea about assassins. People forget the point of the film and NMH is to make -no- sense.

[[WMG:NMH is a self-parody of Suda51 Creator/Suda51 games.]]



[[WMG: The entire game is Suda51's lovingly satirical parody of VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2.]]

Consider the following, ladies and gentlemen: The main character is a [[YouSuck loser, a stain upon humanity,]] even though he accomplishes some honestly magnificent things. Quenton Flynn (''Quenton'' [[Franchise/MetalGear Raiden]] ''Flynn'') plays the foil to him, Henry, an incredibly awesome guy. Around the end of the game, the fourth wall explodes and bizarre twists come out. Suda51 took all the basic, hated elements of [=MGS2=], [[UpToEleven turned them up to eleven]], and set them on fire.
* Given that Suda51 is now working with the Franchise/MetalGear creator on a new horror game, this seems pretty damn likely.

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[[WMG: The entire game is Suda51's [=Suda51=]'s lovingly satirical parody of VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2.]]

Consider the following, ladies and gentlemen: The main character is a [[YouSuck loser, a stain upon humanity,]] even though he accomplishes some honestly magnificent things. Quenton Flynn (''Quenton'' [[Franchise/MetalGear Raiden]] ''Flynn'') plays the foil to him, Henry, an incredibly awesome guy. Around the end of the game, the fourth wall explodes and bizarre twists come out. Suda51 [=Suda51=] took all the basic, hated elements of [=MGS2=], [[UpToEleven turned them up to eleven]], and set them on fire.
* Given that Suda51 [=Suda51=] is now working with the Franchise/MetalGear creator on a new horror game, this seems pretty damn likely.



[[WMG:Suda51 made this game drunk.]]

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[[WMG:Suda51 [[WMG:[=Suda51=] made this game drunk.]]



Suda51 has confirmed that there will be more NMH games, but Travis won't be the main character. Since he's done with being an assassin, he'll pursue a career in one of the things he's good at. He may give the new protagonist TrainingFromHell, though.

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Suda51 [=Suda51=] has confirmed that there will be more NMH games, but Travis won't be the main character. Since he's done with being an assassin, he'll pursue a career in one of the things he's good at. He may give the new protagonist TrainingFromHell, though.



[[spoiler: [[BabiesEverAfter Jeanne Touchdown]]. [[NamesTheSame No, not]] [[LukeIAmYourFather Travis' half-sister]]/[[BrotherSisterIncest ex-girlfriend]], [[DeadGuyJunior Sylvia's daughter with the same name]]. As for the plot (once you get past the Suda51-mandated [[MindScrew Mind Screws]]), it'll be about [[TakeUpMySword finishing Travis' work of destroying the UAA]]. Bonus points if other mentioned characters in the series (such as Dr. Peace's Daughter ([[PoisonOakEpilepticTrees assuming she isn't Bad Girl]]), Kimmy Howell, and Alice Twilight's Son) are among the new bosses]]

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[[spoiler: [[BabiesEverAfter Jeanne Touchdown]]. [[NamesTheSame No, not]] [[LukeIAmYourFather Travis' half-sister]]/[[BrotherSisterIncest ex-girlfriend]], [[DeadGuyJunior Sylvia's daughter with the same name]]. As for the plot (once you get past the Suda51-mandated [=Suda51=]-mandated [[MindScrew Mind Screws]]), it'll be about [[TakeUpMySword finishing Travis' work of destroying the UAA]]. Bonus points if other mentioned characters in the series (such as Dr. Peace's Daughter ([[PoisonOakEpilepticTrees assuming she isn't Bad Girl]]), Kimmy Howell, and Alice Twilight's Son) are among the new bosses]]



* Suda51 was actually asked this in an interview with the magazine NGamer. His response was: No. So, theory busted.

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* Suda51 [=Suda51=] was actually asked this in an interview with the magazine NGamer. His response was: No. So, theory busted.



*** The paranormal mythology/background of killer7-verse still exists. Although Kunlan has been killed, hasn't been reincarnated, or has been made irrelevant with the changes brought by Henry the physics and mythical forces still exist just interact differently. Batt Jr would be vulgar but could exist in killer7verse with a change of political landscape. The Gardens of Madness exist in both verses as to other idiosyncrasies. Madness (or mono-focus and sheer belief and perception in defiance of reality) more explicitly in [=NMHverse=] can be utilized for temporal effect but its still a source of power in killer7verse. The problem is as Emir and T.Touchdown found out its a traitorous and unreliable power very dependent on it controlling and subverting you more than empowering and enabling you. Actually ALL the assassins have this problem. Walking a path of blood or crazy and finding they've lost something along the way. their names, their pasts, even Death Metal he likely hadn't succumbed suffered the fate of many high ranking criminals of material oppulence and no peace at home or within.

[[WMG:No More Heroes is in the Kill the Past universe of Suda51]]
The Emir Parkreiner/Garcian was not supposed to be the Emir of Killer 7, but the Emir of the Kill the Past universe. Killer 7 was supposed to be part of the kill the past universe but halfway through the games development that idea was scrapped due to Suda51 being too busy. It is stated that Bad Girl's gimp grunts are actually clones in one of the K-Entertainment missions. The Emir that tries to kill Travis in NMH was the one that was originally supposed to appear in the vaguely cannon universe. Sundance Shot from FSR was supposed to appear in Killer 7 according to the beta trailer. The clone bodies are stock bodies for Emir, and possibly Sumio from Flower, Sun and Rain. This all makes sense in context, really.

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*** The paranormal mythology/background of killer7-verse still exists. Although Kunlan has been killed, hasn't been reincarnated, or has been made irrelevant with the changes brought by Henry the physics and mythical forces still exist just interact differently. Batt Jr would be vulgar but could exist in killer7verse with a change of political landscape. The Gardens of Madness exist in both verses as to other idiosyncrasies. Madness (or mono-focus and sheer belief and perception in defiance of reality) more explicitly in [=NMHverse=] can be utilized for temporal effect but its still a source of power in killer7verse. The problem is as Emir and T.Touchdown found out its a traitorous and unreliable power very dependent on it controlling and subverting you more than empowering and enabling you. Actually ALL the assassins have this problem. Walking a path of blood or crazy and finding they've lost something along the way. their names, their pasts, even Death Metal he likely hadn't succumbed suffered the fate of many high ranking criminals of material oppulence opulence and no peace at home or within.

[[WMG:No More Heroes is in the Kill the Past universe of Suda51]]
[=Suda51=]]]
The Emir Parkreiner/Garcian was not supposed to be the Emir of Killer 7, but the Emir of the Kill the Past universe. Killer 7 was supposed to be part of the kill the past universe but halfway through the games development that idea was scrapped due to Suda51 [=Suda51=] being too busy. It is stated that Bad Girl's gimp grunts are actually clones in one of the K-Entertainment missions. The Emir that tries to kill Travis in NMH was the one that was originally supposed to appear in the vaguely cannon universe. Sundance Shot from FSR was supposed to appear in Killer 7 according to the beta trailer. The clone bodies are stock bodies for Emir, and possibly Sumio from Flower, Sun and Rain. This all makes sense in context, really.



* Easier theory: {{Suda51}} is a Troper. Yes, you. Love your work.

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* Easier theory: {{Suda51}} Creator/Suda51 is a Troper. Yes, you. Love your work.



[[WMG:Suda51 is [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} ZUN.]]]]

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[[WMG:Suda51 [[WMG:[=Suda51=] is [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} ZUN.]]]]
11th Mar '17 10:20:58 AM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Travis is qualifying for the [[MadWorld Death Watch]].]]

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[[WMG: Travis is qualifying for the [[MadWorld [[VideoGame/MadWorld Death Watch]].]]



[[WMG: UAA is an imitation of Death Watch from MadWorld]]

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[[WMG: UAA is an imitation of Death Watch from MadWorld]]''VideoGame/MadWorld'']]
19th Feb '17 4:54:57 PM nombretomado
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Think about it: we have GenreSavvy main characters; the fourth wall keeps getting kicked in the face; and then we have PWLBJ, an anime that combines magical girls, mechs, and space! Along with that, one of the restaurants is named "Pizza Butt." [[CodeGeass Who else have we referred to as "Pizza Butt"?]]

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Think about it: we have GenreSavvy main characters; the fourth wall keeps getting kicked in the face; and then we have PWLBJ, an anime that combines magical girls, mechs, and space! Along with that, one of the restaurants is named "Pizza Butt." [[CodeGeass [[Franchise/CodeGeass Who else have we referred to as "Pizza Butt"?]]
15th Nov '16 6:59:52 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG:The game takes place in the same universe as, but prior to, the events of VideoGame/{{Killer7}}.]]

Something is missing from the California skies throughout the game - airplanes. In ''VideoGame/{{Killer7}}'', all air traffic is said to be permanently grounded to reduce the risk of terrorism. You're in the center of what appears to be a large California city (Santa Destroy has its own stadium), but there's no sign of an airport anywhere nearby. Further, all the wrestling masks you find have "M.S." on the notes tucked into them. One of the Smiths was MASK DE Smith, professional wrestler. And finally, Dr. Peace bears a ridiculously close resemblance to Curtis Blackburn - he dies, but in the Killer7 universe, this isn't exactly the end. Presumably, the game takes place some point either before or soon after [[spoiler:Emir Parkreiner killed the Smiths and himself, becoming Garcian Smith]].

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[[WMG:The game takes place in the same universe as, but prior to, the events of VideoGame/{{Killer7}}.VideoGame/Killer7.]]

Something is missing from the California skies throughout the game - airplanes. In ''VideoGame/{{Killer7}}'', ''[=Killer7=]'', all air traffic is said to be permanently grounded to reduce the risk of terrorism. You're in the center of what appears to be a large California city (Santa Destroy has its own stadium), but there's no sign of an airport anywhere nearby. Further, all the wrestling masks you find have "M.S." on the notes tucked into them. One of the Smiths was MASK DE Smith, professional wrestler. And finally, Dr. Peace bears a ridiculously close resemblance to Curtis Blackburn - he dies, but in the Killer7 [=Killer7=] universe, this isn't exactly the end. Presumably, the game takes place some point either before or soon after [[spoiler:Emir Parkreiner killed the Smiths and himself, becoming Garcian Smith]].



** With that {{Jossed}}, how about an alternative: No More Heroes is an alternate universe of Killer7, perhaps one where their plans went off the rails at some point.

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** With that {{Jossed}}, how about an alternative: No More Heroes is an alternate universe of Killer7, [=Killer7=], perhaps one where their plans went off the rails at some point.



*** Judging by the normal ending this is what I am going with. Travis is parallel to Travis and died "on his first outing" (when he'd stopped with the ranking and tried honest assassination drawing the attention of the Smith Syndicate aka Emir Parkreiner). The break is that in killer7 Travis is background and simply exists to fulfill this role. The events in Killer7 being the abandoned "Heroes" game. T.Touchdown is Travis as canon gary stu in No More Heroes so he avoids the obvious failures and gets to stroll through life living a dream that still punctures holes in his ego but just enough he can survive and recover. With Desperate Struggle the Killer7 future is completely averted though similar forces will be at work.

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*** Judging by the normal ending this is what I am going with. Travis is parallel to Travis and died "on his first outing" (when he'd stopped with the ranking and tried honest assassination drawing the attention of the Smith Syndicate aka Emir Parkreiner). The break is that in killer7 Travis is background and simply exists to fulfill this role. The events in Killer7 [=Killer7=] being the abandoned "Heroes" game. T.Touchdown is Travis as canon gary stu in No More Heroes so he avoids the obvious failures and gets to stroll through life living a dream that still punctures holes in his ego but just enough he can survive and recover. With Desperate Struggle the Killer7 [=Killer7=] future is completely averted though similar forces will be at work.
31st Jul '16 12:45:16 PM nombretomado
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[[Series/DoctorWho Timelord]], [[Franchise/XMen mutant]], [[Franchise/{{Highlander}} immortal]], [[DCComics meta-human]], whatever. It's clear from observation that he possesses some degree of superhuman durability, with similarly heightened reflexes and strength.

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[[Series/DoctorWho Timelord]], [[Franchise/XMen mutant]], [[Franchise/{{Highlander}} immortal]], [[DCComics [[Creator/DCComics meta-human]], whatever. It's clear from observation that he possesses some degree of superhuman durability, with similarly heightened reflexes and strength.
27th May '16 3:24:59 AM MacronNotes
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AxCrazy [[SerialKiller Serial Kill-]], er, I mean, "[[InsistentTerminology Assassins]]"? Check. [[BlondesAreEvil Evil Blondes?]] Check. [[FinalBoss Top-Tier Bosses?]] [[ThatOneBoss Oh so check]]. Oh, and as for "They're all going to pay," having the same DarkAndTroubledPast as [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Jeane's]] is plenty good incentive to [[KickTheSonOfABitch make people pay]], and may also [[FreudianExcuse explain WHY Bad Girl is so messed up now]].

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AxCrazy [[SerialKiller Serial Kill-]], er, I mean, "[[InsistentTerminology Assassins]]"? Check. [[BlondesAreEvil Evil Blondes?]] Blondes? Check. [[FinalBoss Top-Tier Bosses?]] [[ThatOneBoss Oh so check]]. Oh, and as for "They're all going to pay," having the same DarkAndTroubledPast as [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Jeane's]] is plenty good incentive to [[KickTheSonOfABitch make people pay]], and may also [[FreudianExcuse explain WHY Bad Girl is so messed up now]].
1st Feb '16 6:41:57 AM EarlOfSandvich
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In the trailer for ''NoMoreHeroes 2'', Travis is seen fighting a woman whose hairstyle looks very similar to Jeane's. Jeane died in the last game, but the little girl named Jeane in the secret ending must have grown to replace her. But then how could she be Henry and Travis's half sister? Simple: they're all actually clone supersoldiers manufactured by whatever organization Sylvia REALLY works for. The "half" sister part simply indicates they were made from slightly different genetic stock.

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In the trailer for ''NoMoreHeroes 2'', ''VideoGame/NoMoreHeroes2DesperateStruggle'', Travis is seen fighting a woman whose hairstyle looks very similar to Jeane's. Jeane died in the last game, but the little girl named Jeane in the secret ending must have grown to replace her. But then how could she be Henry and Travis's half sister? Simple: they're all actually clone supersoldiers manufactured by whatever organization Sylvia REALLY works for. The "half" sister part simply indicates they were made from slightly different genetic stock.



That GroinAttack he received might have been painful, but given how people in the ''NoMoreHeroes'' universe like [[spoiler: Destroyman and Letz Shake]] have managed to survive much worse, who's to say he didn't just pass out and come to later? No one actually bothers to check on him, and as mentioned in a previous WMG, he may have sent his pupil [[spoiler: Ryuji]] to try and deal with Travis while he recovered.

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That GroinAttack he received might have been painful, but given how people in the ''NoMoreHeroes'' ''VideoGame/NoMoreHeroes'' universe like [[spoiler: Destroyman and Letz Shake]] have managed to survive much worse, who's to say he didn't just pass out and come to later? No one actually bothers to check on him, and as mentioned in a previous WMG, he may have sent his pupil [[spoiler: Ryuji]] to try and deal with Travis while he recovered.



[[WMG:The NoMoreHeroes universe was constructed by tropers.]]

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[[WMG:The NoMoreHeroes VideoGame/NoMoreHeroes universe was constructed by tropers.]]
18th Jan '16 5:50:00 AM crashkey
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* It's less that killer7 wasn't part of Kill the Past but more that it took place in an alternate timeline. NMH would be back in the main timeline, and the shout outs to killer7 are actually hints as to how the events of that game went down in this world.
14th Jan '16 4:51:10 PM jormis29
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Was I the only one who got a strong StElsewhere vibe from that last scene? She apparently likes the painting and stood there for a while. So she made up a backstory for Travis, who she really likes. He likes the anime she does and is immature but really cool and adult in a big brother kind of way. He kills tons of people with blood but no guts or gore and he even has [[spoiler: a cat named after her that he loves.]] All the other ranked assassins, goons and missions are based off of cool ideas she's had, the stores all play her favorite song, the Rank 01 battle was probably invented after she saw Star Wars. Of course, she created a [[spoiler:MarySue named after herself who was Travis' long-lost sister, could fight him empty handed and surpassed him wrestling/speed wise and dies a tragic death.]] And then, once she had her self-insert fun and needed an ending to wrap it up, she came up with the Henry/Silvia twist and ended it with her beloved painting. The sequel was her attempt to continue, but she lost heart in it fast.

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Was I the only one who got a strong StElsewhere ''Series/StElsewhere'' vibe from that last scene? She apparently likes the painting and stood there for a while. So she made up a backstory for Travis, who she really likes. He likes the anime she does and is immature but really cool and adult in a big brother kind of way. He kills tons of people with blood but no guts or gore and he even has [[spoiler: a cat named after her that he loves.]] All the other ranked assassins, goons and missions are based off of cool ideas she's had, the stores all play her favorite song, the Rank 01 battle was probably invented after she saw Star Wars. Of course, she created a [[spoiler:MarySue named after herself who was Travis' long-lost sister, could fight him empty handed and surpassed him wrestling/speed wise and dies a tragic death.]] And then, once she had her self-insert fun and needed an ending to wrap it up, she came up with the Henry/Silvia twist and ended it with her beloved painting. The sequel was her attempt to continue, but she lost heart in it fast.
6th Jan '16 7:17:05 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: The entire series takes place on future Earth in the ''StarWars'' universe]]
The supernatural powers of the assassins are all The Force, and Earth eventually realized how to assemble Lightfoils (perhaps after the events of ''SoulCalibur 4'' via some lightsabers being left behind as artifacts, or simply through discovering the force and the inevitability of evolution.). That also explains some characters immunity to pain, as it only seems to happen with characters that have incredible force sensitivity. Travis's force powers came to him so quickly because he uses the force out of anger and fury (notice how his powers are incredibly raw and simple, but powerful, much like Mace Windu, or Darth Vader when he was first awoken as Vader).

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[[WMG: The entire series takes place on future Earth in the ''StarWars'' ''Franchise/StarWars'' universe]]
The supernatural powers of the assassins are all The Force, and Earth eventually realized how to assemble Lightfoils (perhaps after the events of ''SoulCalibur ''VideoGame/SoulCalibur 4'' via some lightsabers being left behind as artifacts, or simply through discovering the force and the inevitability of evolution.). That also explains some characters immunity to pain, as it only seems to happen with characters that have incredible force sensitivity. Travis's force powers came to him so quickly because he uses the force out of anger and fury (notice how his powers are incredibly raw and simple, but powerful, much like Mace Windu, or Darth Vader when he was first awoken as Vader).
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