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3rd Nov '17 7:06:20 PM acrobox
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* Love ([[BadassPrincess Princess Cadance]])

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* Love ([[BadassPrincess ({{Princess}} Princess Cadance]])
27th Aug '17 3:29:26 PM Theriocephalus
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* Why would they be dead?
25th Aug '17 1:02:43 PM CosmicFerret
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[[WMG: The universe uses a virtue system like {{Exalted}}.]]
Tying in to the guesses about Elements of Harmony having inherent flaws to them as well, it could also be that having an element renders you vulnerable to an {{Exalted}}-style LimitBreak. Instead of Exalted's four virtues (Compassion, Conviction, Temperance, and Valor), this universe uses six (Friendship, Honesty, Kindness, Generosity, Laughter, and Loyalty), each with their own Virtue Flaws and Limit Breaks. Naturally, a pony that embodies an element/virtue would have the most dots in it possible, leading to some truly spectacular Limit Breaks. Just for fun, let's look at what each of the Mane Six's Elements and possible Limit Breaks could be....

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[[WMG: The universe uses a virtue system like {{Exalted}}.TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}.]]
Tying in to the guesses about Elements of Harmony having inherent flaws to them as well, it could also be that having an element renders you vulnerable to an {{Exalted}}-style TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}-style LimitBreak. Instead of Exalted's four virtues (Compassion, Conviction, Temperance, and Valor), this universe uses six (Friendship, Honesty, Kindness, Generosity, Laughter, and Loyalty), each with their own Virtue Flaws and Limit Breaks. Naturally, a pony that embodies an element/virtue would have the most dots in it possible, leading to some truly spectacular Limit Breaks. Just for fun, let's look at what each of the Mane Six's Elements and possible Limit Breaks could be....
9th Aug '17 9:08:53 PM Theriocephalus
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* There is a serious issue with this, namely the scene in "Twilight's Kingdom" where Twilight has to raise the sun herself, and the sun is visibly wobbling as she does so. Now, [[LikeRealityUnlessNoted let's assume that physics in Equestria, including gravity and inertia, work as they do in our world except when shown or stated not to]]. The problem is would have to happen to make the sun "wobble" in the sky like that: if the sun is not moving and only the planet is, then the planet would have to be the one jerking back and forth as Twilight works her magic. Most of these guesses (besides this one specifically, Iíve seen this idea tossed around on several occasions in other fandom websites) boil down to hypothesizing that the Equestrian system works like our solar system, so letís use that as a model: the Earth rotates at a speed of over a thousand miles per hour at the equator, slowing down as you approach the poles (we donít feel the speed because everything on the planet, including the atmosphere and oceans, is moving in the same direction at the same speed). If you simply invert the direction of rotation (which is what would make the sun "move" directly east), then by the law of inertia (which states that an object keeps moving or stays still in its current state unless acted upon) everything on the world's surface would ''still be moving west at the same speed as before''. This would mean that a) everything less firmly rooted than a typical bunker would be violently hurled west at speeds of hundreds to thousands of miles per hour; b) the entire planet's surface would be scoured by winds blowing at the same enormous speeds; and c) the oceans would literally slosh over their western shores like the water in bathtub being jerked to the side. If the planet is also spasming back and forth in random directions, all this would be compounded by the random and sudden changes in direction of movement. Obviously, nothing of the sort happened.\\

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* There is a serious issue with this, namely the scene in "Twilight's Kingdom" where Twilight has to raise the sun herself, and the sun is visibly wobbling as she does so. Now, [[LikeRealityUnlessNoted let's assume that physics in Equestria, including gravity and inertia, work as they do in our world except when shown or stated not to]]. The problem is what would have to happen to make the sun "wobble" in the sky like that: if the sun is not moving and only the planet is, then the planet would have to be the one jerking back and forth as Twilight works her magic. Most of these guesses (besides this one specifically, Iíve seen this idea tossed around on several occasions in other fandom websites) boil down to hypothesizing that the Equestrian system works like our solar system, so letís use that as a model: the Earth rotates at a speed of over a thousand miles per hour at the equator, slowing down as you approach the poles (we donít feel the speed because everything on the planet, including the atmosphere and oceans, is moving in the same direction at the same speed). If you simply invert just rotated the planet in the other direction of rotation (which is what would make the sun "move" directly east), then by the law of inertia (which states that an object keeps moving or stays still in its current state unless acted upon) everything on the world's surface would ''still be moving west at the same speed as before''. This would mean that a) everything less firmly rooted than a typical bunker would be violently hurled west at speeds of hundreds to thousands of miles per hour; b) the entire planet's surface would be scoured by winds blowing at the same enormous speeds; and c) the oceans would literally slosh over their western shores like the water in bathtub being jerked to the side. If the planet is also spasming back and forth in random directions, all this would be compounded by the random and sudden changes in direction of movement. Obviously, nothing of the sort happened.\\
9th Aug '17 4:02:58 PM Theriocephalus
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* Gems and rocks grow from minerals and elements accumulating as a natural magical process.
** This occurs more abundantly in some areas (like the spot where Rarity goes gem mining) than in others -- perhaps the magic is stronger there, or upwellings water or magma bring more minerals to fuel growth. Earth pony magic can control and direct this process to make harvesting desired minerals or rocks more efficient or gainful, hence rock farms.
** As a further theory, the reason rock farms don't grow gems is either a) large, pure gems require more energy or materials to grow than rocks do, meaning theyíre not cost-effective to cultivate, or b) earth pony rock farmers just donít feel like farming gems with no practical use when they could be growing useful ores and building stone.
** A bit of evidence for this being a natural process is the existence of a large species of gem-eaters, the dragons. Logically, they would have to have access to naturally occurring, self-replenishing sources of gems -- they have to keep themselves fed somehow, and given what weíve seen of them it's... unlikely... that enough of them are peaceful farmers to supply an entire species of house-sized reptiles with food. Obviously they can steal from the ponies, but they would still have had to eat before ponies developed rock farming.

9th Aug '17 3:32:46 PM Theriocephalus
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* There is a serious issue with this, namely the scene in "Twilight's Kingdom" where Twilight has to raise the sun herself, and the sun is visibly wobbling as she does so. Now, [[LikeRealityUnlessNoted let's assume for a minute that physics in Equestria, including gravity and inertia, work as they do in our world except when shown or stated not to]]. The problems come when you think about what would have to happen to make the sun "wobble" in the sky like that: if the sun is not moving and only the planet is, then the planet would have to be the one jerking back and forth as Twilight works her magic. Most of these guesses (besides this one specifically, Iíve seen this idea tossed around on several occasions in other fandom websites) boil down to hypothesizing that the Equestrian system works like our solar system, so letís use that as a model: the Earth rotates at a speed of over a thousand miles per hour at the equator, slowing down as you approach the poles (we donít feel the speed because everything on the planet, including the atmosphere and oceans, is moving in the same direction at the same speed). If you simply invert the direction of rotation (which is what would make the sun "move" directly east), then by the law of inertia (which states that an object keeps moving or stays still in its current state unless acted upon) everything on the world's surface would ''still be moving west at the same speed as before''. This would mean that a) everything less firmly rooted than a typical bunker would be violently hurled west at speeds of hundreds to thousands of miles per hour; b) the entire planet's surface would be scoured by winds blowing at the same enormous speeds; and c) the oceans would literally slosh over their western shores like the water in bathtub being jerked to the side. If the planet is also spasming back and forth in random directions, all this would be compounded by the random and sudden changes in direction of movement. Obviously, nothing of the sort happened.\\

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* There is a serious issue with this, namely the scene in "Twilight's Kingdom" where Twilight has to raise the sun herself, and the sun is visibly wobbling as she does so. Now, [[LikeRealityUnlessNoted let's assume for a minute that physics in Equestria, including gravity and inertia, work as they do in our world except when shown or stated not to]]. The problems come when you think about what problem is would have to happen to make the sun "wobble" in the sky like that: if the sun is not moving and only the planet is, then the planet would have to be the one jerking back and forth as Twilight works her magic. Most of these guesses (besides this one specifically, Iíve seen this idea tossed around on several occasions in other fandom websites) boil down to hypothesizing that the Equestrian system works like our solar system, so letís use that as a model: the Earth rotates at a speed of over a thousand miles per hour at the equator, slowing down as you approach the poles (we donít feel the speed because everything on the planet, including the atmosphere and oceans, is moving in the same direction at the same speed). If you simply invert the direction of rotation (which is what would make the sun "move" directly east), then by the law of inertia (which states that an object keeps moving or stays still in its current state unless acted upon) everything on the world's surface would ''still be moving west at the same speed as before''. This would mean that a) everything less firmly rooted than a typical bunker would be violently hurled west at speeds of hundreds to thousands of miles per hour; b) the entire planet's surface would be scoured by winds blowing at the same enormous speeds; and c) the oceans would literally slosh over their western shores like the water in bathtub being jerked to the side. If the planet is also spasming back and forth in random directions, all this would be compounded by the random and sudden changes in direction of movement. Obviously, nothing of the sort happened.\\
9th Aug '17 3:31:17 PM Theriocephalus
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** What does "gravity wells in all the wrong places" even mean, exactly?
* There is a serious issue with this, namely the scene in "Twilight's Kingdom" where Twilight has to raise the sun herself, and the sun is visibly wobbling as she does so. Now, [[LikeRealityUnlessNoted let's assume for a minute that physics in Equestria, including gravity and inertia, work as they do in our world except when shown or stated not to]]. The problems come when you think about what would have to happen to make the sun "wobble" in the sky like that: if the sun is not moving and only the planet is, then the planet would have to be the one jerking back and forth as Twilight works her magic. Most of these guesses (besides this one specifically, Iíve seen this idea tossed around on several occasions in other fandom websites) boil down to hypothesizing that the Equestrian system works like our solar system, so letís use that as a model: the Earth rotates at a speed of over a thousand miles per hour at the equator, slowing down as you approach the poles (we donít feel the speed because everything on the planet, including the atmosphere and oceans, is moving in the same direction at the same speed). If you simply invert the direction of rotation (which is what would make the sun "move" directly east), then by the law of inertia (which states that an object keeps moving or stays still in its current state unless acted upon) everything on the world's surface would ''still be moving west at the same speed as before''. This would mean that a) everything less firmly rooted than a typical bunker would be violently hurled west at speeds of hundreds to thousands of miles per hour; b) the entire planet's surface would be scoured by winds blowing at the same enormous speeds; and c) the oceans would literally slosh over their western shores like the water in bathtub being jerked to the side. If the planet is also spasming back and forth in random directions, all this would be compounded by the random and sudden changes in direction of movement. Obviously, nothing of the sort happened.\\
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TL;DR, in a heliocentric model, the sun jerking back and forth in the sky would require the planet to itself jerk back and forth, which due to speeds required to make a planet the size of Earth rotate fully on itself every 24 hours and the law of inertia would in turn mean that everything on the planet itself would be hurled in random directions at unimaginable speeds and/or thrown into outer space.\\
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When comparing theories, [[OccamsRazor the one that relies on the fewest unfounded assumptions is the likeliest to be true]]. In order for Equestriaís system to be heliocentric, we need to assume:
** a) That the canon, as presented in the show itself, is factually wrong. Basically, that whenever canon materials have said that Luna and Celestia raise the sun, said canon materials have not been telling the truth about how the world of ''MLP'' works.
** b) That Celestia and Luna are either flat-out lying about how their powers work[[note]]and the show has provided neither evidence that they are or that they have reason to do so[[/note]] or fundamentally do not understand how their own powers, which Celestia at least has been using daily for a millennium, work, despite being well-informed about magic otherwise.
** c) That Twilight either lied about her own experience in raising the sun[[note]]and again we have no evidence that she did or that she had reason to do so[[/note]] or also fundamentally did not understand what her magic did, despite she too being very well-informed about magic otherwise.
** And d) that there was some method for suppressing inertia while the planet was being moved or that inertia simply did not apply in this situation, despite neither option being stated, showed, hinted at or implied in any way.
** By contrast, the geocentric model where the planet sits still in the middle and the sun and moon are moved around it simply requires the assumption that what the show has stated to be true is true.
31st Dec '16 8:05:56 PM nombretomado
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* Rarity's parents taught her generosity, albeit in what seems to have been a [[SinkOrSwimMentor sink-or-swim]] way that didn't require much generosity on their part (that being to dump Sweetie Belle on her even when it was inconvenient for her). Apart from Granny Apple, Applejack's family seems to be the type of family where all but the youngest generation are all about honesty and loyalty, with the exception of Granny Apple unless you take the [[FromACertainPointOfView certain point of view]] that, like the introductory episode with the cliff and as exemplified in the zap apples episode, "Honesty" should be interpreted as "Demanding And Receiving Blind Trust" (in which case, Applejack ''totally'' learned Honesty from her Granny). I don't know much about Dash or Fluttershy, especially since ''FriendshipIsWitchcraft'' is overshadowing what little I think I knew about Fluttershy's family.

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* Rarity's parents taught her generosity, albeit in what seems to have been a [[SinkOrSwimMentor sink-or-swim]] way that didn't require much generosity on their part (that being to dump Sweetie Belle on her even when it was inconvenient for her). Apart from Granny Apple, Applejack's family seems to be the type of family where all but the youngest generation are all about honesty and loyalty, with the exception of Granny Apple unless you take the [[FromACertainPointOfView certain point of view]] that, like the introductory episode with the cliff and as exemplified in the zap apples episode, "Honesty" should be interpreted as "Demanding And Receiving Blind Trust" (in which case, Applejack ''totally'' learned Honesty from her Granny). I don't know much about Dash or Fluttershy, especially since ''FriendshipIsWitchcraft'' ''WebVideo/FriendshipIsWitchcraft'' is overshadowing what little I think I knew about Fluttershy's family.
27th Dec '16 9:23:11 PM FPSCanarussia
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** Could it have been charcoal?
27th Dec '16 9:20:10 PM FPSCanarussia
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[[WMG: The time limitation on the fixed time-loop spell from "It's about time"]]
The spell could only send Twilight back a week because of the second law of thermodynamics. Travelling back in time in a fixed loop decreases entropy in a system, which violates the second law. However, as some scientists currently believe, it IS possible to TEMPORARILY decrease entropy in a system through some clever science. The spell temporarily decreases entropy, but of course there is a limitation to how far thing can be stretched, and for this spell it's seven days.
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