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25th May '17 6:19:39 PM Theriocephalus
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* When "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E9TheFaultInOurCutieMarks The Fault in Our Cutie Marks]]" actually came out, it pretty decisively stated that [[spoiler:no, griffons ''cannot'' get cutie marks]]. It seems that they're a part of pony biology after all.
23rd May '17 3:35:38 PM Theriocephalus
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True Alicorns would be Ponies that, somehow, acquired the magic and the ''heart'' of all three kinds of Ponies, and have [[PhysicalGod godlike powers]].

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True Alicorns would be Ponies that, somehow, acquired the magic and the ''heart'' of all three kinds of Ponies, and have [[PhysicalGod godlike powers]].\\



[[WMG:No alicorn before Flurry Heart was born as an alicorn]]
This, besides Twilight and Cadence, also includes Celestia and Luna, as well as any potential alicorns that may or may not have lived before them. In essence, all of them were born as regular ponies and became alicorns after inventing new branches of magic, performing feats no individual ever did before, and so on, and any children they may have had were born as regular ponies. Before Flurry was born, alicorn births were thought to be impossible. There is, as such, no distinction between immortal “Greater Alicorns” that are born winged and horned versus mortal “Lesser Alicorns” that ascend later in life. This means that either a) all alicorns are immortal or b) Celestia and Luna’s immortality is something they gained separately from their alicorn status -- in essence, they're immortal ''and'' they’re alicorns, but not immortal ''because'' they’re alicorns.

[[WMG:Luna and Celestia were not the first alicorns to exist]]
There’s been mention here and there of alicorns that it doesn’t make much sense for the royal sisters, or for that matter Cadance, to be the cause of. For instance, there is the alicorn princess from the “[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E17HeartsAndHoovesDay Hearts and Hooves Day]]” fable (although, granted, there is no evidence for or against that being a real historical account as opposed to a fable), as well as the single alicorn depicted in the temple in “[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E14StrangerThanFanFiction Stranger than Fan Fiction]]”. Although this last one does not necessarily depict an actual individual, it does require the knowledge of the at least potential existence of alicorns, as well as their status as special or remarkable beings, in a setting clearly presented as ancient and foreign. It really doesn’t make sense for this depiction to be inspired by Luna and/or Celestia, especially since a lot of emphasis is put on the fact that the alicorn is alone (versus the unicorns, earth ponies and pegasi in the same room, which came in pairs), which clashes with the strong duality them that follows the royal sisters everywhere.\\

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[[WMG:No alicorn before Flurry Heart was born as an alicorn]]
alicorn.]]
This, besides Twilight and Cadence, also includes Celestia and Luna, as well as any potential alicorns that may or may not have lived before them. In essence, all of them They were all born as regular ponies and became alicorns after inventing new branches of magic, performing feats no individual ever did before, and so on, and any children they may have had were born as regular ponies. Before Flurry was born, alicorn births were thought to be impossible. There is, as such, no distinction between immortal “Greater Alicorns” that are born winged and horned versus mortal “Lesser Alicorns” that ascend later in life. This means that either a) all alicorns are immortal or b) Celestia and Luna’s immortality is something they gained separately from their alicorn status -- in essence, they're immortal ''and'' they’re alicorns, but not immortal ''because'' they’re alicorns.

[[WMG:Luna and Celestia were not the first alicorns to exist]]
exist.]]
There’s been mention here and there of alicorns that it doesn’t make much sense for the royal sisters, or for that matter Cadance, to be the cause of. For instance, there is the alicorn princess from the “[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E17HeartsAndHoovesDay Hearts and Hooves Day]]” fable (although, granted, there is no evidence for or against that being a real historical account as opposed to a fable), as well as the single alicorn depicted in the temple in “[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E14StrangerThanFanFiction Stranger than Fan Fiction]]”. Although this last one does not necessarily depict an actual individual, it does require the knowledge of the at least potential existence of alicorns, as well as their status as special or remarkable beings, in a setting clearly presented as ancient and foreign. It really doesn’t make sense for this depiction to be inspired by Luna and/or Celestia, especially since a lot of emphasis is put on the fact that the alicorn is alone (versus the unicorns, earth ponies and pegasi in the same room, which came in pairs), which clashes with the strong duality them theme that follows the royal sisters everywhere.\\
23rd May '17 2:58:52 PM Theriocephalus
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[[WMG:No alicorn before Flurry Heart was born as an alicorn]]
This, besides Twilight and Cadence, also includes Celestia and Luna, as well as any potential alicorns that may or may not have lived before them. In essence, all of them were born as regular ponies and became alicorns after inventing new branches of magic, performing feats no individual ever did before, and so on, and any children they may have had were born as regular ponies. Before Flurry was born, alicorn births were thought to be impossible. There is, as such, no distinction between immortal “Greater Alicorns” that are born winged and horned versus mortal “Lesser Alicorns” that ascend later in life. This means that either a) all alicorns are immortal or b) Celestia and Luna’s immortality is something they gained separately from their alicorn status -- in essence, they're immortal ''and'' they’re alicorns, but not immortal ''because'' they’re alicorns.

[[WMG:Luna and Celestia were not the first alicorns to exist]]
There’s been mention here and there of alicorns that it doesn’t make much sense for the royal sisters, or for that matter Cadance, to be the cause of. For instance, there is the alicorn princess from the “[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E17HeartsAndHoovesDay Hearts and Hooves Day]]” fable (although, granted, there is no evidence for or against that being a real historical account as opposed to a fable), as well as the single alicorn depicted in the temple in “[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E14StrangerThanFanFiction Stranger than Fan Fiction]]”. Although this last one does not necessarily depict an actual individual, it does require the knowledge of the at least potential existence of alicorns, as well as their status as special or remarkable beings, in a setting clearly presented as ancient and foreign. It really doesn’t make sense for this depiction to be inspired by Luna and/or Celestia, especially since a lot of emphasis is put on the fact that the alicorn is alone (versus the unicorns, earth ponies and pegasi in the same room, which came in pairs), which clashes with the strong duality them that follows the royal sisters everywhere.\\

The conclusion drawn from this is that there has been at least one case, and likely multiple ones, of a pony ascending to alicornhood before Celestia and Luna did. Even if only a single pony in a million possesses the qualities necessary to become an alicorn, it’s unrealistic to expect that there was never a single other pony over the entirety of history and the world that fit the criteria. As such, there may actually have been multiple nations and civilizations with their own alicorn rulers before Celestia and Luna became the rulers of Equestria.
23rd May '17 2:15:50 PM Theriocephalus
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In the [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uj5l0C_W9Ps/Vh9gxWnaXKI/AAAAAAAAA98/kYLCGxpkHmI/s1600/eq_map.jpg updated canon map]], there’s a body of water named Luna Bay in the Northern Luna Ocean. On it shores, sort of separate from the rest of Equestria and between the sea and the slopes of the Yaket Mountains, there’s a small cluster of buildings. Unlike other such locations on the map, it doesn’t have a town name, and the buildings have an unusual appearance, dark and indistinct with lighted windows, as if in shadow or at night. My guess is that this is where the bat ponies live, with the distance from Equestria being the reason for their rarity.

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In the [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uj5l0C_W9Ps/Vh9gxWnaXKI/AAAAAAAAA98/kYLCGxpkHmI/s1600/eq_map.jpg updated canon map]], there’s a body of water named Luna Bay in the Northern Luna Ocean. On it its shores, sort of separate from the rest of Equestria and between the sea and the slopes of the Yaket Mountains, there’s a small cluster of buildings. Unlike other such locations on the map, it doesn’t have a town name, and the buildings have an unusual appearance, dark and indistinct with lighted windows, as if in shadow or at night. My guess is that this is where the bat ponies live, with the distance from Equestria being the reason for their rarity.
13th May '17 1:58:43 PM nombretomado
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* Wait, so even cannonically [[MyLittlePonyTheMentallyAdvancedSeries Twist is the worst pony?]]

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* Wait, so even cannonically [[MyLittlePonyTheMentallyAdvancedSeries [[WebVideo/MyLittlePonyTheMentallyAdvancedSeries Twist is the worst pony?]]
2nd May '17 3:46:37 PM Theriocephalus
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While Alicorns look like WingedUnicorns, WordOfGod ([[AllThereInTheManual as mentioned in various sources]]) is that they actually combine traits from all three pony races. ''Literature/TwilightSparkleAndTheCrystalHeartSpell'' is most blatant about it: Alicorns are "a special breed of pony, able to harness the magical powers of the Unicorns, the flight abilities of the Pegasi, and the strength of a good, true heart of an Earth Pony." As we know, Earth Ponies are officially the strongest and toughest of the three Equestrian breeds; logic, then, suggests Alicorns should be just as strong as Earth Ponies.

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While Alicorns look like WingedUnicorns, {{Winged Unicorn}}s, WordOfGod ([[AllThereInTheManual as mentioned in various sources]]) is that they actually combine traits from all three pony races. ''Literature/TwilightSparkleAndTheCrystalHeartSpell'' is most blatant about it: Alicorns are "a special breed of pony, able to harness the magical powers of the Unicorns, the flight abilities of the Pegasi, and the strength of a good, true heart of an Earth Pony." As we know, Earth Ponies are officially the strongest and toughest of the three Equestrian breeds; logic, then, suggests Alicorns should be just as strong as Earth Ponies.
1st May '17 12:29:40 AM Theriocephalus
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* This was confirmed in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E25TwilightsKingdomPart1 Twilight's Kingdom]]". When Tirek went on his magic-stealing rampage, Celestia specifically referred to him as stealing the earth ponies' strength alongside the pegasi's flight and the unicorns' spellcasting. More generally, when exaggerated feats of strength have been portrayed on the show, it's almost always been from earth ponies (and often specific families -- the Apple Family and the Pies especially). Also, in some cases, years of working out aren't all that likely, like in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E19CrusadersOfTheLostMark Crusaders of the Lost Mark]]" with the earth pony filly who could lift the school building with her head and the earth pony colt who can pick up a seesaw with a filly on it with his teeth both being too young for their strength to be due to years of physical work.
29th Apr '17 12:51:33 PM Theriocephalus
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When most of ancient ponykind was forced to emigrate to Equestria by the Windigoes, a group of them -- mostly earth ponies and some pegasi -- stayed behind, perhaps deliberately refusing to abandon their home or perhaps having set off on an exploration of their own independently of the main characters, eventually reaching a dead end without knowing about Equestria being funded. Regardless, they eventually reach the same conclusion Pansy, Clover and Smart Cookie did -- hate is doing this, use good emotions to fight back -- and created an enchanted artifact (the Crystal Heart) to focus and harness their positive emotions to keep the cold at bay. Over time, prolonged exposure to the Heart’s magic affected their physiology, turning their coats to crystal.

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When most of ancient ponykind was forced to emigrate to Equestria by the Windigoes, a group of them -- mostly earth ponies and some pegasi -- stayed behind, perhaps deliberately refusing to abandon their home or perhaps having set off on an exploration of their own independently of the main characters, eventually reaching a dead end without knowing about Equestria being funded.funded, or alternatively they knew about it but were in a position where traveling to it was not an option. Regardless, they eventually reach the same conclusion Pansy, Clover and Smart Cookie did -- hate is doing this, use good emotions to fight back -- and created an enchanted artifact (the Crystal Heart) to focus and harness their positive emotions to keep the cold at bay. Over time, prolonged exposure to the Heart’s magic affected their physiology, turning their coats to crystal.
17th Apr '17 2:42:30 PM Theriocephalus
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They were just a one-off visual gag way back in the first half of Season 2 and they’re probably never going to show up again.

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They were just a one-off visual gag way back in the first half of Season 2 and in all likelihood they’re probably never going to show up again.
1st Mar '17 10:05:12 PM Theriocephalus
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[[WMG: Crystal ponies are descended from ponies that didn’t head south on Hearth’s Warming Eve]]
When most of ancient ponykind was forced to emigrate to Equestria by the Windigoes, a group of them -- mostly earth ponies and some pegasi -- stayed behind, perhaps deliberately refusing to abandon their home or perhaps having set off on an exploration of their own independently of the main characters, eventually reaching a dead end without knowing about Equestria being funded. Regardless, they eventually reach the same conclusion Pansy, Clover and Smart Cookie did -- hate is doing this, use good emotions to fight back -- and created an enchanted artifact (the Crystal Heart) to focus and harness their positive emotions to keep the cold at bay. Over time, prolonged exposure to the Heart’s magic affected their physiology, turning their coats to crystal.


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[[WMG: The bat ponies live on the shores of Luna Bay]]
In the [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uj5l0C_W9Ps/Vh9gxWnaXKI/AAAAAAAAA98/kYLCGxpkHmI/s1600/eq_map.jpg updated canon map]], there’s a body of water named Luna Bay in the Northern Luna Ocean. On it shores, sort of separate from the rest of Equestria and between the sea and the slopes of the Yaket Mountains, there’s a small cluster of buildings. Unlike other such locations on the map, it doesn’t have a town name, and the buildings have an unusual appearance, dark and indistinct with lighted windows, as if in shadow or at night. My guess is that this is where the bat ponies live, with the distance from Equestria being the reason for their rarity.

[[WMG:We’re never gonna see another bat pony on the show]]
They were just a one-off visual gag way back in the first half of Season 2 and they’re probably never going to show up again.
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