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18th Sep '17 5:54:59 PM Theriocephalus
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[[WMG: Guesses about the bat-winged ponies who pulled Princess Luna's chariot.]]
* They were just ordinary pegasi; they were just wearing bat-wing costumes for Nightmare Night.
* They are a different breed of pony from the pegasi, having bat wings instead of feathered wings. Seems unlikely, since we've never seen or even heard of such a fourth breed heretofore.
* Something about Luna's magic automatically gives members of her retinue a more nocturnal appearance, appropriate to the [[GodEmperor Goddess-Princess]] of the night.
* They're wearing enchanted armor that has a spell on it that works like the one Twilight cast on Rarity in "Sonic Rainboom" but is much stronger. Seems unlikely, however, given that the spell was so difficult that Twilight could only cast it once; a much stronger version would presumably stress even Princess Luna. Why go to all that trouble, when she could just hire naturally winged pegasi?
** Perhaps the spell to modify existing wings is much easier than the spell to make them from scratch.
** And if it is that easy (And Healthy!Luna is quite plausibly even more powerful than Filly!Twilight) there is no particular reason she couldn't cast the spell manually on each shift of guards and dismiss it when their shift ends. Depending on the exact details of how magic works in the setting, there may even be a "Transfer Spell Effect" spell, do she wouldn't have to re-cast it as often, even if it IS a difficult spell.
* They're actually magically generated constructs, same with Celestia's identical white pegasi and grey unicorns.
** Do we have any reason to think that Celestia's guards are magical constructs?
*** First they all look the same, second they only appear when she is around, and third Luna being Celestia's sister, have lived for a very long time and also a fellow alicorn seems to point out that the possibility that Celestia also has the capability to shapeshift and divide like her sister can is highly likely.
** It's fairly clear that the Royal Guards are actual ponies -- Shining Armor is their leader, there were guards with brown and green coats in "Rarity Investigates", we meet a retired guard in "A Flurry of Emotions" and they react to being talked to like actual sapient beings. Their uniform appearance is probably just fur dye and standardized armor. Going by that, it becomes a bit unlikely that Luna's guards aren't also actual ponies.
* They're half-dragon ponies. Normally, half-breeds are ostracized in Canterlot (if not by Celestia herself than by all those royal jerks at the Gala), but Luna, befitting her role, takes such outcasts as her own and gives them a ceremonial position of high standing in her personal court.
** Alternatively, they're [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vamponies]].
** They're from Pranceylvania -- the local Transylvania {{Expy}}. Pegasi from the region just happen to look like that; bat wings are a naturally occuring pegasus variant but a recessive trait, so we haven't yet seen the phenotype in other regions. Luna recruits all her staff from the area; later we'll see a unicorn pony in her service with a pale coat, crimson eyes, and a black mane with widow's peak (opera cloak and thick accent optional), and an earth pony with a massive build, a coat with various green and grey patches, and a shovel-like brow (scars and neck bolts optional). Like Luna, they're all actually quite nice [[DarkIsNotEvil once you look past their sinister appearance]].
* They are Pegasi who were changed by Luna's powers to appear more appropriate as the guards of the Princess of the Night. But they wouldn't choose the job "royal guard of the Night Goddess" unless they were Goths or Metalheads, and either way they think their bat wings are pretty awesome. Just look at the smiles when they pull her chariot!
* They're from the moon.
* They're from the City of Tartarus, which is NOT pony Hell. There's a WMG for this in the Setting section. Though since they don't totally match their description provided, they're only half-Tartarusian.
** Jossed, insofar as, canonically, Tartarus really ''is'' an underworld where evil things are imprisoned.
* [[http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Royal_guards M.A. Larson and Lauren Faust, former crew members of the show, have stated on Twitter that they believe Luna's guards are a different race from Pegasi and come from "[d]eep caves inside the mountains."]]


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[[WMG: Every Pony born an Alicorn has their own "Mane Six"]]
* Princess Celestia's should be fairly obvious.
* Princess luna's would be the Background Mane Six (Derpy, Lyra, Octavia, Vinyl, Bon Bon, and Raindrops instead of Doctor to keep the whole "Two Earth/Pegasi/Unicorns" thing).
* If you do not consider ''The Crystal Heart Spell'' canon, and you believe Cadence was born an Alicorn, than her team would be: Golden Harvest, Minuette, Berry Punch, Twinkleshine, Flitter, and Cloudchaser.

[[WMG:Alicorns can also come in crystal pony or bat pony variants]]
Alicorns can be said to be, technically, earth ponies, unicorns and pegasi at the same time. If we consider crystal ponies to be a variation of earth ponies and bat ponies to be a variation of pegasi, then it should be possible to have crystal-coated or bat-winged alicorns if their earth pony or pegasus part are of the appropriate subtype. It may be that this can only happen if the alicorn in question was a crystal pony or bat pony to begin with.
17th Sep '17 12:31:19 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* {{Jossed}}, as it's shown [[https://derpibooru.org/1394230 here]], the gender ratio as of Season 6 is close to 1 to 1.
17th Sep '17 12:20:56 AM MorphinBrony
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* Oh, [[RuleThirtyFour the implications...]]
26th Aug '17 5:51:37 PM Theriocephalus
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[[WMG: Crystal Ponies are a new breed.]]
One that specializes in focusing and spreading magic/hope/emotion.


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[[WMG:Earth ponies can massively increase their size and physical strength in situations of dire need.]]
Basing this one off of the scene in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E16CampfireTales Campfire Tales]]" where Rockhoof, who starts off as a small and scrawny earth pony colt, starts desperately digging a trench to divert the lava heading for his village and, when the lava has almost reached him, all of a sudden transforms into a massive, muscle-bound and extremely strong stallion who digs the rest of the trench in a matter of seconds. This is explicitly acknowledged in the episode as something magical happening.

The guess here is that, in situations of extreme stress and pressure or when in very great danger, an earth pony can undergo an involuntary and automatic process where their internal magic (specifically the part that grants them SuperStrength) suddenly flares to massive levels, with a corresponding growth in their physical size. As a potential limiter on this, it might very well be that there's no way to trigger this change without being genuinely in danger of death, and it might also be that this process "burns out" an earth pony's ability to use their magic for anything besides being strong (so if the WMG about earth ponies being in tune with the land is correct, an earth pony that goes through this would lose their ability to connect with natural life in exchange for their new strength).


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[[WMG: Crystal Ponies are a new breed.]]
One that specializes in focusing and spreading magic/hope/emotion.
4th Jul '17 7:32:15 AM Theriocephalus
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This, besides Twilight and Cadence, also includes Celestia and Luna, as well as any potential alicorns that may or may not have lived before them. They were all born as regular ponies and became alicorns after inventing new branches of magic, performing feats no individual ever did before, and so on, and any children they may have had were born as regular ponies. Before Flurry was born, alicorn births were thought to be impossible. There is, as such, no distinction between immortal “Greater Alicorns” that are born winged and horned versus mortal “Lesser Alicorns” that ascend later in life. This means that either a) all alicorns are immortal or b) Celestia and Luna’s immortality is something they gained separately from their alicorn status -- in essence, they're immortal ''and'' they’re alicorns, but not immortal ''because'' they’re alicorns.

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This, besides Twilight and Cadence, also includes Celestia and Luna, as well as any potential alicorns that may or may not have lived before them. They were all born as regular ponies and became alicorns after inventing new branches of magic, performing feats no individual ever did before, and so on, and any children they may have had were born as regular ponies. Before Flurry was born, alicorn births were thought to be impossible. There is, as such, no distinction between immortal “Greater Alicorns” "Greater Alicorns" that are born winged and horned versus mortal “Lesser Alicorns” "Lesser Alicorns" that ascend later in life. This means that either a) all alicorns are immortal or b) Celestia and Luna’s immortality is something they gained separately from their alicorn status -- in essence, they're immortal ''and'' they’re alicorns, but not immortal ''because'' they’re alicorns.



There’s been mention here and there of alicorns that it doesn’t make much sense for the royal sisters, or for that matter Cadance, to be the cause of. For instance, there is the alicorn princess from the “[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E17HeartsAndHoovesDay Hearts and Hooves Day]]” fable (although, granted, there is no evidence for or against that being a real historical account as opposed to a fable), as well as the single alicorn depicted in the temple in “[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E14StrangerThanFanFiction Stranger than Fan Fiction]]”. Although this last one does not necessarily depict an actual individual, it does require the knowledge of the at least potential existence of alicorns, as well as their status as special or remarkable beings, in a setting clearly presented as ancient and foreign. It really doesn’t make sense for this depiction to be inspired by Luna and/or Celestia, especially since a lot of emphasis is put on the fact that the alicorn is alone (versus the unicorns, earth ponies and pegasi in the same room, which came in pairs), which clashes with the strong duality theme that follows the royal sisters everywhere.\\

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There’s been mention here and there of alicorns that it doesn’t make much sense for the royal sisters, or for that matter Cadance, to be the cause of. For instance, there is the alicorn princess from the “[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E17HeartsAndHoovesDay "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E17HeartsAndHoovesDay Hearts and Hooves Day]]” fable Day]]" story (although, granted, there is no evidence for or against that being a real historical account as opposed to just a fable), as well as the single alicorn depicted in the temple in “[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E14StrangerThanFanFiction "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E14StrangerThanFanFiction Stranger than Fan Fiction]]”.Fiction]]". Although this last one does not necessarily depict an actual individual, it does require the knowledge of the at least potential existence of alicorns, as well as their status as special or remarkable beings, in a setting clearly presented as ancient and foreign. It really doesn’t make sense for this depiction to be inspired by Luna and/or Celestia, especially since a lot of emphasis is put on the fact that the alicorn is alone (versus the unicorns, earth ponies and pegasi in the same room, which came in pairs), which clashes with the strong duality theme that follows the royal sisters everywhere.\\
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25th May '17 6:19:39 PM Theriocephalus
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* When "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E9TheFaultInOurCutieMarks The Fault in Our Cutie Marks]]" actually came out, it pretty decisively stated that [[spoiler:no, griffons ''cannot'' get cutie marks]]. It seems that they're a part of pony biology after all.
23rd May '17 3:35:38 PM Theriocephalus
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True Alicorns would be Ponies that, somehow, acquired the magic and the ''heart'' of all three kinds of Ponies, and have [[PhysicalGod godlike powers]].

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True Alicorns would be Ponies that, somehow, acquired the magic and the ''heart'' of all three kinds of Ponies, and have [[PhysicalGod godlike powers]].\\



[[WMG:No alicorn before Flurry Heart was born as an alicorn]]
This, besides Twilight and Cadence, also includes Celestia and Luna, as well as any potential alicorns that may or may not have lived before them. In essence, all of them were born as regular ponies and became alicorns after inventing new branches of magic, performing feats no individual ever did before, and so on, and any children they may have had were born as regular ponies. Before Flurry was born, alicorn births were thought to be impossible. There is, as such, no distinction between immortal “Greater Alicorns” that are born winged and horned versus mortal “Lesser Alicorns” that ascend later in life. This means that either a) all alicorns are immortal or b) Celestia and Luna’s immortality is something they gained separately from their alicorn status -- in essence, they're immortal ''and'' they’re alicorns, but not immortal ''because'' they’re alicorns.

[[WMG:Luna and Celestia were not the first alicorns to exist]]
There’s been mention here and there of alicorns that it doesn’t make much sense for the royal sisters, or for that matter Cadance, to be the cause of. For instance, there is the alicorn princess from the “[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E17HeartsAndHoovesDay Hearts and Hooves Day]]” fable (although, granted, there is no evidence for or against that being a real historical account as opposed to a fable), as well as the single alicorn depicted in the temple in “[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E14StrangerThanFanFiction Stranger than Fan Fiction]]”. Although this last one does not necessarily depict an actual individual, it does require the knowledge of the at least potential existence of alicorns, as well as their status as special or remarkable beings, in a setting clearly presented as ancient and foreign. It really doesn’t make sense for this depiction to be inspired by Luna and/or Celestia, especially since a lot of emphasis is put on the fact that the alicorn is alone (versus the unicorns, earth ponies and pegasi in the same room, which came in pairs), which clashes with the strong duality them that follows the royal sisters everywhere.\\

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[[WMG:No alicorn before Flurry Heart was born as an alicorn]]
alicorn.]]
This, besides Twilight and Cadence, also includes Celestia and Luna, as well as any potential alicorns that may or may not have lived before them. In essence, all of them They were all born as regular ponies and became alicorns after inventing new branches of magic, performing feats no individual ever did before, and so on, and any children they may have had were born as regular ponies. Before Flurry was born, alicorn births were thought to be impossible. There is, as such, no distinction between immortal “Greater Alicorns” that are born winged and horned versus mortal “Lesser Alicorns” that ascend later in life. This means that either a) all alicorns are immortal or b) Celestia and Luna’s immortality is something they gained separately from their alicorn status -- in essence, they're immortal ''and'' they’re alicorns, but not immortal ''because'' they’re alicorns.

[[WMG:Luna and Celestia were not the first alicorns to exist]]
exist.]]
There’s been mention here and there of alicorns that it doesn’t make much sense for the royal sisters, or for that matter Cadance, to be the cause of. For instance, there is the alicorn princess from the “[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E17HeartsAndHoovesDay Hearts and Hooves Day]]” fable (although, granted, there is no evidence for or against that being a real historical account as opposed to a fable), as well as the single alicorn depicted in the temple in “[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E14StrangerThanFanFiction Stranger than Fan Fiction]]”. Although this last one does not necessarily depict an actual individual, it does require the knowledge of the at least potential existence of alicorns, as well as their status as special or remarkable beings, in a setting clearly presented as ancient and foreign. It really doesn’t make sense for this depiction to be inspired by Luna and/or Celestia, especially since a lot of emphasis is put on the fact that the alicorn is alone (versus the unicorns, earth ponies and pegasi in the same room, which came in pairs), which clashes with the strong duality them theme that follows the royal sisters everywhere.\\
23rd May '17 2:58:52 PM Theriocephalus
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[[WMG:No alicorn before Flurry Heart was born as an alicorn]]
This, besides Twilight and Cadence, also includes Celestia and Luna, as well as any potential alicorns that may or may not have lived before them. In essence, all of them were born as regular ponies and became alicorns after inventing new branches of magic, performing feats no individual ever did before, and so on, and any children they may have had were born as regular ponies. Before Flurry was born, alicorn births were thought to be impossible. There is, as such, no distinction between immortal “Greater Alicorns” that are born winged and horned versus mortal “Lesser Alicorns” that ascend later in life. This means that either a) all alicorns are immortal or b) Celestia and Luna’s immortality is something they gained separately from their alicorn status -- in essence, they're immortal ''and'' they’re alicorns, but not immortal ''because'' they’re alicorns.

[[WMG:Luna and Celestia were not the first alicorns to exist]]
There’s been mention here and there of alicorns that it doesn’t make much sense for the royal sisters, or for that matter Cadance, to be the cause of. For instance, there is the alicorn princess from the “[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E17HeartsAndHoovesDay Hearts and Hooves Day]]” fable (although, granted, there is no evidence for or against that being a real historical account as opposed to a fable), as well as the single alicorn depicted in the temple in “[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E14StrangerThanFanFiction Stranger than Fan Fiction]]”. Although this last one does not necessarily depict an actual individual, it does require the knowledge of the at least potential existence of alicorns, as well as their status as special or remarkable beings, in a setting clearly presented as ancient and foreign. It really doesn’t make sense for this depiction to be inspired by Luna and/or Celestia, especially since a lot of emphasis is put on the fact that the alicorn is alone (versus the unicorns, earth ponies and pegasi in the same room, which came in pairs), which clashes with the strong duality them that follows the royal sisters everywhere.\\

The conclusion drawn from this is that there has been at least one case, and likely multiple ones, of a pony ascending to alicornhood before Celestia and Luna did. Even if only a single pony in a million possesses the qualities necessary to become an alicorn, it’s unrealistic to expect that there was never a single other pony over the entirety of history and the world that fit the criteria. As such, there may actually have been multiple nations and civilizations with their own alicorn rulers before Celestia and Luna became the rulers of Equestria.
23rd May '17 2:15:50 PM Theriocephalus
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In the [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uj5l0C_W9Ps/Vh9gxWnaXKI/AAAAAAAAA98/kYLCGxpkHmI/s1600/eq_map.jpg updated canon map]], there’s a body of water named Luna Bay in the Northern Luna Ocean. On it shores, sort of separate from the rest of Equestria and between the sea and the slopes of the Yaket Mountains, there’s a small cluster of buildings. Unlike other such locations on the map, it doesn’t have a town name, and the buildings have an unusual appearance, dark and indistinct with lighted windows, as if in shadow or at night. My guess is that this is where the bat ponies live, with the distance from Equestria being the reason for their rarity.

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In the [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uj5l0C_W9Ps/Vh9gxWnaXKI/AAAAAAAAA98/kYLCGxpkHmI/s1600/eq_map.jpg updated canon map]], there’s a body of water named Luna Bay in the Northern Luna Ocean. On it its shores, sort of separate from the rest of Equestria and between the sea and the slopes of the Yaket Mountains, there’s a small cluster of buildings. Unlike other such locations on the map, it doesn’t have a town name, and the buildings have an unusual appearance, dark and indistinct with lighted windows, as if in shadow or at night. My guess is that this is where the bat ponies live, with the distance from Equestria being the reason for their rarity.
13th May '17 1:58:43 PM nombretomado
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* Wait, so even cannonically [[MyLittlePonyTheMentallyAdvancedSeries Twist is the worst pony?]]

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* Wait, so even cannonically [[MyLittlePonyTheMentallyAdvancedSeries [[WebVideo/MyLittlePonyTheMentallyAdvancedSeries Twist is the worst pony?]]
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