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3rd Jul '17 11:20:31 AM Piterpicher
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[[WMG: The whole game is similar to MaoZedong's rise to power.]]

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[[WMG: The whole game is similar to MaoZedong's UsefulNotes/MaoZedong's rise to power.]]
20th May '17 7:15:00 PM Blazer999
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20th May '17 7:12:28 PM Blazer999
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Is that it was part of the DummiedOut "kindness" system, which would have resulted in alternate endings. The worst one would've been The Masked Man pulling the needle, with the energy transforming him into an EldritchAbomination like Giygas due to an overload of PSI energy. The "new world" the Dark Dragon creates then becomes the maelstrom of Claus-Giygas; the embodiment of not evil, but agony.

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Is that it was part of the DummiedOut "kindness" system, which would have resulted in alternate endings. The worst one would've been The Masked Man pulling the needle, with the energy transforming him into an EldritchAbomination like Giygas due to an overload of PSI energy. The "new world" the Dark Dragon creates then becomes the maelstrom of Claus-Giygas; the embodiment of not evil, but agony.agony.

[[WMG: Porky was a means to an end for Giygas.]]
This may sound crazy at first, but hear me out. Even after Giygas was defeated, Porky still harbored his corruptive "energy" of sorts. When he settles down in the Nowhere Islands, this energy carries out the will of it's deceased master to corrupt and destroy humanity through Porky; corrupting anybody else it finds useful, such as Locria, who tells Porky about the Needles and the Dark Dragon. Porky sets his plan into motion, starting the corruption of Tazmily via Happy Boxes. The Happy Boxes, when turned on, spread the "Giygas energy" all over Tazmily. After a few years, this energy even starts manifesting as it originally would: turning random objects like the Jealous Bass into minions. Porky, seeing that Giygas' corruption has fully encompassed the Nowhere Islands, starts using the Masked Man to pull the seven Needles. This prompts Lucas and Co.'s race to beat him to them. When Porky is defeated, it's too late. Giygas' plan has already been successful. With the pulling of Needle #7, Earth is destroyed, fulfilling Giygas' ages-old revenge against humankind. Knowing it's desires have been satisfied, Giygas' last fragments quietly fade away, and everybody is none the wiser; even you.
13th Apr '17 11:54:56 AM Willbyr
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** Alternatively, once Flint reaches level 101, he will [[{{Pokemon}} evolve]] into Chuck Norris. Then, at level 9001, Chuck Norris will evolve into his ultimate form, [[BadassGrandpa Wess]].

[[WMG: Lucas is Shinji dreaming after End of Evangelion]]
One of the major themes of both endings of Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion was the "fantasy within reality" (or reality within fantasy?) that fits the backstory of everybody in Tazmily. After everybody in the world was assimilated into one being (and subsequently separated again), they were given the choice of living in eternal bliss, or waking up and facing the real world. The residents of Tazmily shared a similar desire to create the Nowhere Islands as an ideal place to live out their lives, but it ended up slowly reflecting the psyches of their past selves. Lucas (Shinji), in particular, was able to create a loving father figure and rid the world of the EldritchAbomination technology of 2015 that he was forced to use, but was unable to undo the psychological torment wrought by his mother's untimely death and the murder of Kaworu, who manifests himself as Claus. The Magypsies are seven of the Eva Series featured in End of Evangelion who are keeping EVA 01 sealed in the earth with seven copies of the Lance of Longinus. Asuka might be incarnated as Kumatora; Duster's identity is a mystery to this troper. Pokey is the manifestation of everything Shinji hated about himself. Eventually, the abominable technology of Tokyo-3 manifests itself after Pokey invades; souls of living creatures are once again used to power machines, though they are badly synchronized with each other this time around. PSI energy shares its roots with the AT field. When Lucas murders Claus again and pulls the final needle, EVA 01 is released, the Fourth Impact wipes out the Nowhere Islands, and everybody wakes up just in time for Shinji to break down right at the last few minutes of End of Evangelion.

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** Alternatively, once Flint reaches level 101, he will [[{{Pokemon}} [[Franchise/{{Pokemon}} evolve]] into Chuck Norris. Then, at level 9001, Chuck Norris will evolve into his ultimate form, [[BadassGrandpa Wess]].

[[WMG: Lucas is Shinji dreaming after End ''End of Evangelion]]
Evangelion'']]
One of the major themes of both endings of Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' was the "fantasy within reality" (or reality within fantasy?) that fits the backstory of everybody in Tazmily. After everybody in the world was assimilated into one being (and subsequently separated again), they were given the choice of living in eternal bliss, or waking up and facing the real world. The residents of Tazmily shared a similar desire to create the Nowhere Islands as an ideal place to live out their lives, but it ended up slowly reflecting the psyches of their past selves. Lucas (Shinji), in particular, was able to create a loving father figure and rid the world of the EldritchAbomination technology of 2015 that he was forced to use, but was unable to undo the psychological torment wrought by his mother's untimely death and the murder of Kaworu, who manifests himself as Claus. The Magypsies are seven of the Eva Series featured in End of Evangelion who are keeping EVA 01 sealed in the earth with seven copies of the Lance of Longinus. Asuka might be incarnated as Kumatora; Duster's identity is a mystery to this troper. Pokey is the manifestation of everything Shinji hated about himself. Eventually, the abominable technology of Tokyo-3 manifests itself after Pokey invades; souls of living creatures are once again used to power machines, though they are badly synchronized with each other this time around. PSI energy shares its roots with the AT field. When Lucas murders Claus again and pulls the final needle, EVA 01 is released, the Fourth Impact wipes out the Nowhere Islands, and everybody wakes up just in time for Shinji to break down right at the last few minutes of End of Evangelion.



[[WMG: The Dark Dragon is actually the {{Pokemon}} Giratina.]]

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[[WMG: The Dark Dragon is actually the {{Pokemon}} Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Giratina.]]



[[WMG: [[{{Pokemon}} Isshu]] is the world of ''VideoGame/MOTHER3'' reborn.]]

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[[WMG: [[{{Pokemon}} [[Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Isshu]] is the world of ''VideoGame/MOTHER3'' reborn.]]
2nd Apr '17 4:56:57 PM Blazer999
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Similar to RealLife cargo cults in the south pacific, they have rituals surrounding technologies they don't understand at all. Happy Boxes are, according to WordOfGod, not even real televisions capable of displaying a video signal conveying entertainment or propoganda, yet people stare at them in the belief that doing so will "bring them happiness". Their self-brainwashing has left them so SuperGullible that they'll believe pretty much anything they're told. The beliefs taught to them by Fassad, which represent Porky's world view, have basically become like a religion to them. This drives them to imitate a highly distorted image of late 20th century life, filtered through the mind of a greedy and sociopathic 12-year-old, even though they don't really understand any of it.

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Similar to RealLife cargo cults in the south pacific, they have rituals surrounding technologies they don't understand at all. Happy Boxes are, according to WordOfGod, not even real televisions capable of displaying a video signal conveying entertainment or propoganda, yet people stare at them in the belief that doing so will "bring them happiness". Their self-brainwashing has left them so SuperGullible that they'll believe pretty much anything they're told. The beliefs taught to them by Fassad, which represent Porky's world view, have basically become like a religion to them. This drives them to imitate a highly distorted image of late 20th century life, filtered through the mind of a greedy and sociopathic 12-year-old, even though they don't really understand any of it.it.

[[WMG: The reason for the unused Claus-Giygas sprites...]]
Is that it was part of the DummiedOut "kindness" system, which would have resulted in alternate endings. The worst one would've been The Masked Man pulling the needle, with the energy transforming him into an EldritchAbomination like Giygas due to an overload of PSI energy. The "new world" the Dark Dragon creates then becomes the maelstrom of Claus-Giygas; the embodiment of not evil, but agony.
25th Sep '16 9:58:35 AM FloweyTheFlower006
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** Andonuts, gone insane? *coughHalloweenHackcough*
23rd Aug '16 5:47:56 AM tropette
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** Kumatora also seems to recognize him instantly ("Is that..."), so there's that as well.
19th Aug '16 1:37:14 PM BURGINABC
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[[spoiler: Forgetting the things that supposedly doomed them doesn't prevent them from relearning them later on their own.]]
Even if the pigmask army never arrived, they would have developed a concept of money, reinvented technology, because [[spoiler: while they can strip themselves of memories, they cannot strip themselves of their natural curiosity. They would relearn them on their own eventually because they are strictly advantageous to their current position, and if their theory that those things caused the apocalypse is correct, then the Nowhere islands would eventually join the rest of the world and fail, with no place for second chances.]]

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[[spoiler: Forgetting the things that supposedly doomed them doesn't prevent them from relearning them later on their own.]]
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Even if the pigmask army never arrived, they would have developed a concept of money, reinvented technology, because [[spoiler: while they can strip themselves of memories, they cannot strip themselves of their natural curiosity. They would relearn them on their own eventually because they are strictly advantageous to their current position, and if their theory that those things caused the apocalypse is correct, then the Nowhere islands would eventually join the rest of the world and fail, with no place for second chances.]]



** Wasn't the idea that the Dark Dragon would recreate [[spoiler:the entire world, not just Tazmily?]]
*** Even if the Dark Dragon does [[spoiler:revive the whole world, that just recreates the situation that is believed to cause the apocalypse in the first place. If it is filled with people who held their beliefs as before, then nothing will change, the apocalypse will still occur. If it attempts the solution that was created for Tazmily, then all of the previously criticisms still apply; given that the beliefs of those on White Ship about its source were correct, the world is doomed to begin with, as avoiding the progress of the past by forgetting it just dooms society to repeat them. Tazmily, and Lucas, know no solution to the issue at hand even if it exists.]]

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** Wasn't the idea that the Dark Dragon would recreate [[spoiler:the the entire world, not just Tazmily?]]
Tazmily?
*** Even if the Dark Dragon does [[spoiler:revive revive the whole world, that just recreates the situation that is believed to cause the apocalypse in the first place. If it is filled with people who held their beliefs as before, then nothing will change, the apocalypse will still occur. If it attempts the solution that was created for Tazmily, then all of the previously criticisms still apply; given that the beliefs of those on White Ship about its source were correct, the world is doomed to begin with, as avoiding the progress of the past by forgetting it just dooms society to repeat them. Tazmily, and Lucas, know no solution to the issue at hand even if it exists.]]



*** It seems to me that the Dark Dragon's purpose for existing is to destroy and recreate the world whenever the old world gets too screwed up. The new world probably won't be perfect, since even if Lucas is perfectly pure of heart (unlikely, some dark feelings related to the traumatic events he's been through would probably seep in), Lucas only pulled four of the needles. But the new world will probably still have the Dragon, waiting to reset things all over again in the event that people manage to break it again.

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*** It seems to me that the Dark Dragon's purpose for existing is to destroy and recreate the world whenever the old world gets too screwed up. The new world probably won't be perfect, since even if Lucas is perfectly pure of heart and can pass this to the dragon (unlikely, some dark feelings related to the traumatic events he's been through would probably seep in), Lucas only pulled four of the needles. But the new world will probably still have the Dragon, waiting to reset things all over again in the event that people or something else manage to break it again.
19th Aug '16 1:31:38 PM BURGINABC
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** Makes sense. [[spoiler: Lucas grieving over Claus' death]], passes on his heart's ideals onto the almighty dragon. Lucas wants all evil in the world washed away, for there to be a paradise recreated with no wars, bloodshed or conflict anymore. The Dragon decides that this is impossible. Humans already had an idyllic paradise... [[HumansAreBastards Earth, which they squandered, ruined and would do so again and again.]] The Dragon absorbs everyone into its very being, and in its belly, their life-force tethered to its own untold and incredible power. Just as it once preserved the Nowhere Islands, [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor it now preserves an immortal humanity]]. Meaning, its [[LivingForeverIsNoBigDeal impossible for anyone to now die]] at anyone's else hands, thus fulfilling Luca's wishes in the only possible way. Ironic... as the Dragon once lived in harmony with humans, but as time passed and as mankind grew advanced, they grew distant and indifferent. With its reawakening... [[TimeAbyss the bond is now inseparable and it and everyone are all indistinct from each other]].

[[WMG: The town was doomed from [[spoiler:its very invention.]]]]

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** Makes sense. [[spoiler: Lucas grieving over Claus' death]], death, passes on his heart's ideals onto the almighty dragon. Lucas wants all evil in the world washed away, for there to be a paradise recreated with no wars, bloodshed or conflict anymore. The Dragon decides that this is impossible. Humans already had an idyllic paradise... [[HumansAreBastards Earth, which they squandered, ruined and would do so again and again.]] The Dragon absorbs everyone into its very being, and in its belly, their life-force tethered to its own untold and incredible power. Just as it once preserved the Nowhere Islands, [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor it now preserves an immortal humanity]]. Meaning, its [[LivingForeverIsNoBigDeal impossible for anyone to now die]] at anyone's else hands, thus fulfilling Luca's wishes in the only possible way. Ironic... as the Dragon once lived in harmony with humans, but as time passed and as mankind grew advanced, they grew distant and indifferent. With its reawakening... [[TimeAbyss the bond is now inseparable and it and everyone are all indistinct from each other]].

[[WMG: The town was doomed from [[spoiler:its its very invention.]]]]]]



** If the [[spoiler:Dark Dragon recreated Tazmily village as it was, wiping memories once more, this will still eventually happen even without the Pigmask army. Early concepts of currency already existed like the Rotten Eclair in the castle, and the advancements created by the Pigmask army looked advantageous to the village at first. Any inventions created by the villagers will be treated similarly until they themselves create the problem that they were trying to avoid. ]]

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** If the [[spoiler:Dark Dark Dragon recreated Tazmily village as it was, wiping memories once more, this will still eventually happen even without the Pigmask army. Early concepts of currency already existed like the Rotten Eclair in the castle, and the advancements created by the Pigmask army looked advantageous to the village at first. Any inventions created by the villagers will be treated similarly until they themselves create the problem that they were trying to avoid. ]]



*** Except the fact that since Lucas was the one [[spoiler: pull the final needle with the intentions of reviving the world and a pure heart, rather than Claus, according to the Magypsies, the world would be reborn with no evil left present in the world in any form, and that life would shine brightly in this new existence. Given that Greed is basically what led to the destruction of the previous world, it probably could be associated with evil, therefore, feelings like Greed that could be associated with evil were probably eradicated after the world was reborn (heck, even Porky seemed to be happy and bubbly when you as the player encounter him in the epilogue/ending). So, i think its safe to say, the fact that the ending doesn't solve this problem of the reborn world possibly being re-introduced to the very thing that destroyed the old one is jossed. Unless the Magypsies were dead wrong.]]
*** It seems to me that the Dark Dragon's purpose for existing is to destroy and recreate the world whenever the old world gets too screwed up. The new world probably won't be perfect, since even if Lucas is perfectly pure of heart (unlikely, some dark feelings related to the traumatic events he's been through would probably seep in), Lucas only pulled four of the needles. But the new world will probably still have the Dragon, waiting to reset things all over again in the event that people manage to break it again.

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*** **** Except the fact that since Lucas was the one [[spoiler: pull the final needle with the intentions of reviving the world and a pure heart, rather than Claus, according to the Magypsies, the world would be reborn with no evil left present in the world in any form, and that life would shine brightly in this new existence. Given that Greed is basically what led to the destruction of the previous world, it probably could be associated with evil, therefore, feelings like Greed that could be associated with evil were probably eradicated after the world was reborn (heck, even Porky seemed to be happy and bubbly when you as the player encounter him in the epilogue/ending). So, i think its safe to say, the fact that the ending doesn't solve this problem of the reborn world possibly being re-introduced to the very thing that destroyed the old one is jossed. Unless the Magypsies were dead wrong.]]
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It seems to me that the Dark Dragon's purpose for existing is to destroy and recreate the world whenever the old world gets too screwed up. The new world probably won't be perfect, since even if Lucas is perfectly pure of heart (unlikely, some dark feelings related to the traumatic events he's been through would probably seep in), Lucas only pulled four of the needles. But the new world will probably still have the Dragon, waiting to reset things all over again in the event that people manage to break it again.
19th Aug '16 1:29:28 PM BURGINABC
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*** Except the fact that since Lucas was the one [[spoiler: pull the final needle with the intentions of reviving the world and a pure heart, rather than Claus, according to the Magypsies, the world would be reborn with no evil left present in the world in any form, and that life would shine brightly in this new existence. Given that Greed is basically what led to the destruction of the previous world, it probably could be associated with evil, therefore, feelings like Greed that could be associated with evil were probably eradicated after the world was reborn (heck, even Porky seemed to be happy and bubbly when you as the player encounter him in the epilogue/ending). So, i think its safe to say, the fact that the ending doesn't solve this problem of the reborn world possibly being re-introduced to the very thing that destroyed the old one is jossed. Unless the Magypsies were dead wrong.]]

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*** **** Except the fact that since Lucas was the one [[spoiler: pull the final needle with the intentions of reviving the world and a pure heart, rather than Claus, according to the Magypsies, the world would be reborn with no evil left present in the world in any form, and that life would shine brightly in this new existence. Given that Greed is basically what led to the destruction of the previous world, it probably could be associated with evil, therefore, feelings like Greed that could be associated with evil were probably eradicated after the world was reborn (heck, even Porky seemed to be happy and bubbly when you as the player encounter him in the epilogue/ending). So, i think its safe to say, the fact that the ending doesn't solve this problem of the reborn world possibly being re-introduced to the very thing that destroyed the old one is jossed. Unless the Magypsies were dead wrong.]]]]
**** It seems to me that the Dark Dragon's purpose for existing is to destroy and recreate the world whenever the old world gets too screwed up. The new world probably won't be perfect, since even if Lucas is perfectly pure of heart (unlikely, some dark feelings related to the traumatic events he's been through would probably seep in), Lucas only pulled four of the needles. But the new world will probably still have the Dragon, waiting to reset things all over again in the event that people manage to break it again.
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