History WMG / Monster

29th Feb '16 5:25:45 PM CJCroen1393
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Of course he wouldn't ''show'' it (I picture him getting a little more tense in Drosselmeyer's presence than normal) but think about it: Creepy old man who loves gambling with the lives of children and corrupting their minds? Obsession with fairy tales that have depressing endings? He'd be a dead wringer for the higher ups in 511 Kinderheim! Regardless of what he thinks of the whole thing, something tells me that Johan would NOT be happy in the presence of such a person.

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Of course he wouldn't ''show'' it (I picture him getting a little more tense in Drosselmeyer's presence than normal) presence) but think about it: Creepy old man who loves gambling with the lives of children and corrupting their minds? Obsession with fairy tales that have depressing endings? He'd be a dead wringer for the higher ups in 511 Kinderheim! Regardless of what he thinks of the whole thing, something tells me that Johan would NOT be happy in the presence of such a person.
29th Feb '16 5:25:15 PM CJCroen1393
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[[WMG: If Johan ever met [[Anime/PrincessTutu Herr Drosselmeyer]], he would be scared out of his wits]]
Of course he wouldn't ''show'' it (I picture him getting a little more tense in Drosselmeyer's presence than normal) but think about it: Creepy old man who loves gambling with the lives of children and corrupting their minds? Obsession with fairy tales that have depressing endings? He'd be a dead wringer for the higher ups in 511 Kinderheim! Regardless of what he thinks of the whole thing, something tells me that Johan would NOT be happy in the presence of such a person.
26th Jan '16 5:08:20 AM Adept
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[[WMG:''Monster'' takes place in the same universe as ''KamikazeKaitouJeanne''.]]

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[[WMG:''Monster'' takes place in the same universe as ''KamikazeKaitouJeanne''.''Manga/KamikazeKaitouJeanne''.]]
19th Jan '16 2:57:16 AM Adept
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[[WMG: Johan is the reincarnation of [[{{MW}} Michio Yuki]].]]

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[[WMG: Johan is the reincarnation of [[{{MW}} [[Manga/{{MW}} Michio Yuki]].]]
21st Dec '15 3:10:55 AM arisboch
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* Runge's is his obsession with his wild goose chase, which is pretty much ruining his life.

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* Runge's Lunge's is his obsession with his wild goose chase, which is pretty much ruining his life.



[[WMG: Inspector Runge is a grown-up [[Manga/DeathNote L]]]]
They are both highly eccentric detectives, both quickly become obsessed with finding their target (L with Kira, Runge with Dr. Tenma), both are (In Runge's case, supposedly) at the top of their field, both are basically geniuses, L is constantly doing something with his hands while Runge is doing the typing thing.

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[[WMG: Inspector Runge Lunge is a grown-up [[Manga/DeathNote L]]]]
They are both highly eccentric detectives, both quickly become obsessed with finding their target (L with Kira, Runge Lunge with Dr. Tenma), both are (In Runge's Lunge's case, supposedly) at the top of their field, both are basically geniuses, L is constantly doing something with his hands while Runge Lunge is doing the typing thing.



* Alternatively, L is Runge's illegitimate child.
** Wouldn't Runge's unnamed grandson be about L's age by the time the events of Death Note come about?

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* Alternatively, L is Runge's Lunge's illegitimate child.
** Wouldn't Runge's Lunge's unnamed grandson be about L's age by the time the events of Death Note come about?



* It's just that Inspector Runge and L both have the anime version of Asperger's Syndrome.

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* It's just that Inspector Runge Lunge and L both have the anime version of Asperger's Syndrome.



The finale in Ruenheim was actually meant to be Grimmer's elaborate suicide, not Johan's. The only reason Grimmer acted like he was investigting Kinderheim 511 and allowed himself to be beaten up and made into a fugitive was just a case of ObfuscatingStupidity to draw attention away from himself and onto Johan. Unlike Runge, Grimmer didn't end up at Ruenheim due to any detective work. Ending up there was his plan all along. Once he dies, the plan is fulfilled.

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The finale in Ruenheim was actually meant to be Grimmer's elaborate suicide, not Johan's. The only reason Grimmer acted like he was investigting Kinderheim 511 and allowed himself to be beaten up and made into a fugitive was just a case of ObfuscatingStupidity to draw attention away from himself and onto Johan. Unlike Runge, Lunge, Grimmer didn't end up at Ruenheim due to any detective work. Ending up there was his plan all along. Once he dies, the plan is fulfilled.



[[WMG: Inspector Runge is a [[Franchise/StarTrek Vulcan]].]]

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[[WMG: Inspector Runge Lunge is a [[Franchise/StarTrek Vulcan]].]]



The players are Tenma, Nina, Runge, and Eva.

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The players are Tenma, Nina, Runge, Lunge, and Eva.



Runge has died in one of his investigations. For this, he must capture the Composer, who appears to be hiding within the players. He also has to deal with the fact that his obsession is ruining his game. Eva is in the same position as him.

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Runge Lunge has died in one of his investigations. For this, he must capture the Composer, who appears to be hiding within the players. He also has to deal with the fact that his obsession is ruining his game. Eva is in the same position as him.



The town that Maron lives is similar to that setting. What else is that whenever she encounters someone with DemonicPossession, it's the representation of dealing with monsters. It's as if they're saying that the monster inside them is growing stronger. Miyako will act the same way as Inspector Runge to the fact that her obsession towards Jeanne has almost ruined her life, not to mention her friendship with Maron.

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The town that Maron lives is similar to that setting. What else is that whenever she encounters someone with DemonicPossession, it's the representation of dealing with monsters. It's as if they're saying that the monster inside them is growing stronger. Miyako will act the same way as Inspector Runge Lunge to the fact that her obsession towards Jeanne has almost ruined her life, not to mention her friendship with Maron.
21st Dec '15 3:07:08 AM arisboch
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** In addition, this explains why Epsilon looks like Johan. After awakening from his coma, Johan performed a HeelFaceTurn. Having been given his real name, Johan moves to Australia and decides to turn his intellect to AI research, to give machines humanity the same way that Tenma reawakened his. Performing great things over the course of his lifetime, when they needed a model for Epsilon he was the natural choice.

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** In *In addition, this explains why Epsilon looks like Johan. After awakening from his coma, Johan performed a HeelFaceTurn. Having been given his real name, Johan moves to Australia and decides to turn his intellect to AI research, to give machines humanity the same way that Tenma reawakened his. Performing great things over the course of his lifetime, when they needed a model for Epsilon he was the natural choice.
17th Aug '15 9:12:46 PM phoenix
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[[WMG: Johan's fascination with Tenma has to do with his [[MommyIssues mother]].]]

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[[WMG: Johan's fascination with Tenma has to do with his [[MommyIssues [[FreudianExcuse mother]].]]
17th Aug '15 9:06:41 PM phoenix
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This would also explain why we get treated to [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters a billion other characters]] and their little subplots and MommyIssues throughout the story. Just other folks dealing with their monsters.

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This would also explain why we get treated to [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters a billion other characters]] and their little subplots and MommyIssues {{Freudian Excuse}}s throughout the story. Just other folks dealing with their monsters.
8th Jan '15 10:24:47 AM TheUnsquished
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[[WMG: Johan and Nina are actually [[AxisPowersHetalia Nation-tans]] representing East and West Germany, respectively.]]

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[[WMG: Johan and Nina are actually [[AxisPowersHetalia [[Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia Nation-tans]] representing East and West Germany, respectively.]]
20th Oct '14 4:29:55 AM memememememe
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He was playing the game that Martin (the CreepyChild, not the noir-ish ganger who befriends Eva) was trying to get Dieter to play: keep putting yourself in increasingly dangerous situations to see if you win (surivive) or lose (die). As Johan sees it, the more he wins the game, the more he becomes something...far grander than an ordinary human, something that would know no fear or remorse (and therefore know no emotional trauma either). His horrible past has utterly broken him (we've seen how he reacted to looking at that picture book) and becoming something beyond human is his way of crafting a new identity and utterly forget his past. He never wanted to die, but he kept increasing the odds that he would so that he'd keep "ascending" to this new nature/identity with each game.

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He was playing the game that Martin (the CreepyChild, not the noir-ish ganger who befriends Eva) was trying to get Dieter to play: keep putting yourself in increasingly dangerous situations to see if you win (surivive) or lose (die). As Johan sees it, the more he wins the game, the more he becomes something...[[TheUbermensch far grander than an ordinary human, human]], something that would know no fear or remorse (and therefore know no emotional trauma either). His horrible past has utterly broken him (we've seen how he reacted to looking at that picture book) and becoming something beyond human is his way of crafting a new identity and utterly forget his past. He never wanted to die, but he kept increasing the odds that he would so that he'd keep "ascending" to this new nature/identity with each game.
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