History WMG / MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack

26th Apr '16 4:00:41 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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** Or, as was jokingly [[http://www.mahq.net/rants/mailbag/mailbag75.htm posited]] in the last segment of MAHQ's mailbag, Amuro and Char got each sent to alternate universes, [[HeyItsThatVoice becoming]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Ribbons Almarck]] and [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Gilbert Durandal]] respectively.

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** Or, as was jokingly [[http://www.mahq.net/rants/mailbag/mailbag75.htm posited]] in the last segment of MAHQ's mailbag, Amuro and Char got each sent to alternate universes, [[HeyItsThatVoice becoming]] becoming [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Ribbons Almarck]] and [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Gilbert Durandal]] respectively.



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21st Aug '15 6:13:58 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG:Char Aznable DID die at the end of ''Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam''. The Char we see in CharsCounterattack is really an insane Johnny Ridden]]

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[[WMG:Char Aznable DID die at the end of ''Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam''. The Char we see in CharsCounterattack ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack'' is really an insane Johnny Ridden]]
2nd Aug '15 12:28:40 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: The attrocities committed during ZZ Gundam helped cause Char Aznable to turn]]
He had hope in the future due to his speech and Kamille, but with what happened during Z Gundam's finale (Kamille getting brain fired) and the events of ZZ Gundam (where the Federation basically bends over to Haman's will and more so, intentionally letting Neo-Zeon excute the Dublin Colony Drop to its full effect), it sent Char flying over the DespairEventHorizon (3x faster in fact), and causing his decay into insanity/villainy. This is also why he reacted so strongly to Amuro's recording: It was reminding him of what exactly happened to him.
* The discussions about Char's intentions (as well as the actions of [[spoiler: [[CloningBlues his clone]]]] [[CharClone Full Frontal]] in ''MobileSuitGundamUnicorn'') seem to imply that this may well be the case.

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[[WMG: The attrocities atrocities committed during ZZ Gundam helped cause Char Aznable to turn]]
He had hope in the future due to his speech and Kamille, but with what happened during Z Gundam's finale (Kamille getting brain fired) and the events of ZZ Gundam (where the Federation basically bends over to Haman's will and more so, intentionally letting Neo-Zeon excute execute the Dublin Colony Drop to its full effect), it sent Char flying over the DespairEventHorizon (3x faster in fact), and causing his decay into insanity/villainy. This is also why he reacted so strongly to Amuro's recording: It was reminding him of what exactly happened to him.
* The discussions about Char's intentions (as well as the actions of [[spoiler: [[CloningBlues his clone]]]] [[CharClone Full Frontal]] in ''MobileSuitGundamUnicorn'') ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamUnicorn'') seem to imply that this may well be the case.



Jossed by the manga (Amuro's considered KIA and Char winds up [[spoiler:becoming Unicorn Gundam's Full Frontal... maybe. But only if you believe that against all the other evidence.]]), but the fluidity of anime canonicity (plus the far-off promise of a [[Main/TheScrappy Quess-free]] remake) could result in Amuro and Char surviving atmospheric re-entry after pushing Axis away from Earth...and spending their remaining days as [[Main/TheyFightCrime buddy cops]]. If Amuro ISN'T the Main/OnlySaneMan in that spinoff, [[Main/AndyWaltfeld This Troper]] will eat his hat. With chili sauce.
* [[Main/GundamSeed You should eat it with yogurt sauce.]]

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Jossed by the manga (Amuro's considered KIA and Char winds up [[spoiler:becoming Unicorn Gundam's Full Frontal... maybe. But only if you believe that against all the other evidence.]]), but the fluidity of anime canonicity (plus the far-off promise of a [[Main/TheScrappy [[TheScrappy Quess-free]] remake) could result in Amuro and Char surviving atmospheric re-entry after pushing Axis away from Earth...and spending their remaining days as [[Main/TheyFightCrime [[TheyFightCrime buddy cops]]. If Amuro ISN'T the Main/OnlySaneMan OnlySaneMan in that spinoff, [[Main/AndyWaltfeld [[AndyWaltfeld This Troper]] will eat his hat. With chili sauce.
* [[Main/GundamSeed [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeed You should eat it with yogurt sauce.]]



** Actually the novel Beltorchika's Children considers him KIA, not the Manga, Tomino says that Amuro is 'MIA' and refuses to change his mind, meaning Amuro survived or his Psychoframe transported him somewhere else, so it is possible that he and Char ARE alive. The now-canonical animation of ''MobileSuitGundamUnicorn'', however, seems to have confirmed that they were [[spoiler: KIA, as they are now together with Lalah, wherever "beyond the time" may be]].
** Or, as was jokingly [[http://www.mahq.net/rants/mailbag/mailbag75.htm posited]] in the last segment of MAHQ's mailbag, Amuro and Char got each sent to alternate universes, [[HeyItsThatVoice becoming]] [[{{Gundam00}} Ribbons Almarck]] and [[GundamSEEDDestiny Gilbert Durandal]] respectively.

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** Actually the novel Beltorchika's Children considers him KIA, not the Manga, Tomino says that Amuro is 'MIA' and refuses to change his mind, meaning Amuro survived or his Psychoframe transported him somewhere else, so it is possible that he and Char ARE alive. The now-canonical animation of ''MobileSuitGundamUnicorn'', ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamUnicorn'', however, seems to have confirmed that they were [[spoiler: KIA, as they are now together with Lalah, wherever "beyond the time" may be]].
** Or, as was jokingly [[http://www.mahq.net/rants/mailbag/mailbag75.htm posited]] in the last segment of MAHQ's mailbag, Amuro and Char got each sent to alternate universes, [[HeyItsThatVoice becoming]] [[{{Gundam00}} [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Ribbons Almarck]] and [[GundamSEEDDestiny [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Gilbert Durandal]] respectively.



Char's personality and mentality suffered a massive shift between [[Main/ZetaGundam Zeta]] and [[Main/CharsCounterattack Char's Counterattack]] . It is possible that Char was recovered from the final battle of the [[Main/ZetaGundam Gryps Conflict]] by any number of groups, and sent to a Cyber-Newtype facility when it became clear that he had weak Newtype potential, possibly during the course of recovering from any injuries he might have sustained against Haman's Qubeley. Probably he was recovered by Zeon, since he was easily able to get into contact with their remnants after the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ First Neo-Zeon War]] . Not only does this explain why he was so different mentally in Char's Counterattack, but it also explains his relationship with Nanai Miguel, who was in charge of the Newtype labs by the time of the Second Neo-Zeon War, and must have had some background in Cyber-Newtype research before then. This also explains his interest and mentorship of Gyunei, himself a Cyber-Newtype insecure despite his skills.

[[WMG:Char Aznable DID die at the end of ZetaGundam. The Char we see in CharsCounterattack is really an insane Johnny Ridden]]

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Char's personality and mentality suffered a massive shift between [[Main/ZetaGundam [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta]] and [[Main/CharsCounterattack [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Char's Counterattack]] . It is possible that Char was recovered from the final battle of the [[Main/ZetaGundam [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Gryps Conflict]] by any number of groups, and sent to a Cyber-Newtype facility when it became clear that he had weak Newtype potential, possibly during the course of recovering from any injuries he might have sustained against Haman's Qubeley. Probably he was recovered by Zeon, since he was easily able to get into contact with their remnants after the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ First Neo-Zeon War]] . Not only does this explain why he was so different mentally in Char's Counterattack, but it also explains his relationship with Nanai Miguel, who was in charge of the Newtype labs by the time of the Second Neo-Zeon War, and must have had some background in Cyber-Newtype research before then. This also explains his interest and mentorship of Gyunei, himself a Cyber-Newtype insecure despite his skills.

[[WMG:Char Aznable DID die at the end of ZetaGundam.''Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam''. The Char we see in CharsCounterattack is really an insane Johnny Ridden]]



** This WMG also makes the rest of the Neo-Zeon remnants either really really stupid or really really desperate considering [[MobileSuitGundamUnicorn they didn't stop at this one instance]].

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** This WMG also makes the rest of the Neo-Zeon remnants either really really stupid or really really desperate considering [[MobileSuitGundamUnicorn [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamUnicorn they didn't stop at this one instance]].

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9th Jul '15 5:02:59 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG:Astonaige was going to make [[{{Macross}} Pineapple salad]] for Kayra]]

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[[WMG:Astonaige was going to make [[{{Macross}} [[Anime/{{Macross}} Pineapple salad]] for Kayra]]
15th Mar '15 2:04:14 AM Sagetsu
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** This WMG also makes the rest of the Neo-Zeon remnants either really really stupid or really really desperate considering [[MobileSuitGundamUnicorn they didn't stop at this one instance]].
11th Mar '15 4:38:39 PM herpyderp
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[[WMG:The Char we see is actually a clone]]
Specifically a Cyber-Newtype clone whose memories and personality have been manipulated with so he'd be an ideal puppet. The real Char is either dead or somewhere far, far away, out of reach.
14th Oct '14 11:01:02 PM Sagetsu
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* The discussions about Char's intentions (as well as the actions of [[spoiler: [[CloningBlues his clone]]]] [[CharClone Full Frontal]] seem to imply that this may well be the case.

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* The discussions about Char's intentions (as well as the actions of [[spoiler: [[CloningBlues his clone]]]] [[CharClone Full Frontal]] in ''MobileSuitGundamUnicorn'') seem to imply that this may well be the case.
14th Oct '14 11:00:00 PM Sagetsu
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[[WMG: The attrocities committed during ZZ Gundam helped cause him to turn]]
He had hope in the future due to his speech and Camille, but with what happened during Z Gundam's finale (Kamille getting brain fired) and the events of ZZ Gundam (where the Federation basically bends over to Haman's will and more so, intentionally letting Neo-Zeon excute the Dublin Colony Drop to its full effect), it sent Char flying over the DespairEventHorizon (3x faster in fact), and causing his decay into insanity/villainy. This is also why he reacted so strongly to Amuro's recording: It was reminding him of what exactly happened to him.
** The discussions about Char's intentions (as well as the actions of [[spoiler: [[CloningBlues his clone]]]] [[CharClone Full Frontal]] seem to imply that this may well be the case.

to:

[[WMG: The attrocities committed during ZZ Gundam helped cause him Char Aznable to turn]]
He had hope in the future due to his speech and Camille, Kamille, but with what happened during Z Gundam's finale (Kamille getting brain fired) and the events of ZZ Gundam (where the Federation basically bends over to Haman's will and more so, intentionally letting Neo-Zeon excute the Dublin Colony Drop to its full effect), it sent Char flying over the DespairEventHorizon (3x faster in fact), and causing his decay into insanity/villainy. This is also why he reacted so strongly to Amuro's recording: It was reminding him of what exactly happened to him.
** * The discussions about Char's intentions (as well as the actions of [[spoiler: [[CloningBlues his clone]]]] [[CharClone Full Frontal]] seem to imply that this may well be the case.
14th Oct '14 10:57:24 PM Sagetsu
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** The discussions about Char's intentions (as well as the actions of [[spoiler: [[CloningBlues his clone]]]] [[CharClone Full Frontal]] seem to imply that this may well be the case.



** Actually the novel Beltorchika's Children considers him KIA, not the Manga, Tomino says that Amuro is 'MIA' and refuses to change his mind, meaning Amuro survived or his Psychoframe transported him somewhere else, so it is possible that he and Char ARE alive.

to:

** Actually the novel Beltorchika's Children considers him KIA, not the Manga, Tomino says that Amuro is 'MIA' and refuses to change his mind, meaning Amuro survived or his Psychoframe transported him somewhere else, so it is possible that he and Char ARE alive. The now-canonical animation of ''MobileSuitGundamUnicorn'', however, seems to have confirmed that they were [[spoiler: KIA, as they are now together with Lalah, wherever "beyond the time" may be]].
14th Apr '14 1:00:31 AM ReiKusanagi
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[[WMG: The attrocities committed during ZZ Gundam helped cause him to turn]]
He had hope in the future due to his speech and Camille, but with what happened during Z Gundam's finale (Kamille getting brain fired) and the events of ZZ Gundam (where the Federation basically bends over to Haman's will and more so, intentionally letting Neo-Zeon excute the Dublin Colony Drop to its full effect), it sent Char flying over the DespairEventHorizon (3x faster in fact), and causing his decay into insanity/villainy. This is also why he reacted so strongly to Amuro's recording: It was reminding him of what exactly happened to him.
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