History WMG / MetalGear

17th Oct '17 2:56:32 PM AHI-3000
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* WMG/MetalGearSolid
* WMG/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty
* WMG/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater
* WMG/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots
* WMG/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker
* WMG/MetalGearSolidV
* WMG/MetalGearRisingRevengeance
* WMG/MetalGearSurvive
* WMG/MetalGearAcid

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* WMG/MetalGearSolid
''WMG/MetalGearSolid''
* WMG/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty
''WMG/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty''
* WMG/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater
''WMG/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater''
* WMG/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots
''WMG/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots''
* WMG/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker
''WMG/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker''
* WMG/MetalGearSolidV
''WMG/MetalGearSolidV''
* WMG/MetalGearRisingRevengeance
''WMG/MetalGearRisingRevengeance''
* WMG/MetalGearSurvive
''WMG/MetalGearSurvive''
* WMG/MetalGearAcid''WMG/MetalGearAcid''
12th Oct '17 5:06:27 PM AHI-3000
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* WMG/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker



* WMG/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker
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* WMG/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain

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12th Oct '17 10:55:00 AM AHI-3000
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10th Sep '17 4:33:15 PM DirefulBunny
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** His full name is David Hayter.
2nd Sep '17 11:10:23 AM HalcyonDayz
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2nd Sep '17 9:34:37 AM HalcyonDayz
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** As it turns out, this is [[spoiler:subjective re: Otacon himself, but in-game the Octocamo mask can be replaced with the head of Snake's younger self with or without bandanna -- this actually is revealed in Act 3's opening cutscene -- or the pixelated [=PS1=]-graphics head of his [=MGS1=] self, or the different Metal Gear Solid [=NPCs=]... including Otacon. Nothing like the scientist who wet his pants now sneaking around ''as'' Snake]].

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** As it turns out, this is [[spoiler:subjective re: Otacon himself, but in-game the Octocamo mask can be replaced with the head of Snake's younger self with or without bandanna -- this actually is revealed in Act 3's opening cutscene -- or the pixelated [=PS1=]-graphics head of his [=MGS1=] ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' self, or the different Metal Gear Solid [=NPCs=]... including Otacon. Nothing like the scientist who wet his pants now sneaking around ''as'' Snake]].



What better way to bring the series full circles than to flesh out Snake's origin story? It might even be set in Iraq during The Gulf War when Snake [[ContinuityNod infiltrated Iraq with a couple of Green Berets]], when Snake would have been only 18 at most and therefore at his greenest. He'll probably be depicted as being in a stark contrast with his future self, being much more idealistic, patriotic, and more reluctant to use lethal force (expect a CallForward to his scolding of Meryl from MGS1, "You hesitate for ''one second'' and it's over.")

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What better way to bring the series full circles than to flesh out Snake's origin story? It might even be set in Iraq during The Gulf War when Snake [[ContinuityNod infiltrated Iraq with a couple of Green Berets]], when Snake would have been only 18 at most and therefore at his greenest. He'll probably be depicted as being in a stark contrast with his future self, being much more idealistic, patriotic, and more reluctant to use lethal force (expect a CallForward to his scolding of Meryl from MGS1, ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'', "You hesitate for ''one second'' and it's over.")
28th Aug '17 8:38:43 AM CosmicFerret
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* ''VideoGame/MetalGear'' and ''MetalGear2SolidSnake'' are simulations as well, but older, cruder ones which leave out some of the more classified information, [[spoiler: such as the fact that Big Boss is Snake's father]] and paint them as simple BlackAndWhiteMorality.

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* ''VideoGame/MetalGear'' ''VideoGame/MetalGear1'' and ''MetalGear2SolidSnake'' ''VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake'' are simulations as well, but older, cruder ones which leave out some of the more classified information, [[spoiler: such as the fact that Big Boss is Snake's father]] and paint them as simple BlackAndWhiteMorality.



Sure, he spends the majority of the series as a diarrhea-plagued ButtMonkey, but man, does he ever [[TookALevelInBadass power level]] during the later parts of the fourth game. Once that mask comes off, he looks ''exactly'' like a younger blonde Snake. Not only that, but he even gets Meryl in the end, who a lot of fans consider 'Snake's Girl.' Given that Snake won't be the protagonist in future games, someone's gotta replace him. So why not Johnny? Why else would they spend time deconstructing the JokeCharacter when he could have just remained a faceless {{Mook}}? It even makes some sense considering the very nature of the Franchise/MetalGear games.

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Sure, he spends the majority of the series as a diarrhea-plagued ButtMonkey, but man, does he ever [[TookALevelInBadass power level]] during the later parts of the fourth game. Once that mask comes off, he looks ''exactly'' like a younger blonde Snake. Not only that, but he even gets Meryl in the end, who a lot of fans consider 'Snake's Girl.' Given that Snake won't be the protagonist in future games, someone's gotta replace him. So why not Johnny? Why else would they spend time deconstructing the JokeCharacter when he could have just remained a faceless {{Mook}}? It even makes some sense considering the very nature of the Franchise/MetalGear VideoGame/MetalGear games.



* Alternatively/Additionally, ''MetalGear2SolidSnake'' is the VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory version of the movie. This would explain why in the original game, all the characters had celebrity portraits. Creator/MelGibson has really been cast as Snake.

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* Alternatively/Additionally, ''MetalGear2SolidSnake'' ''VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake'' is the VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory version of the movie. This would explain why in the original game, all the characters had celebrity portraits. Creator/MelGibson has really been cast as Snake.



[[WMG: Metal Gear Solid 5 will be a remake of VideoGame/MetalGear1 and/or VideoGame/MetalGear2.]]

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[[WMG: Metal Gear Solid 5 will be a remake of VideoGame/MetalGear1 and/or VideoGame/MetalGear2.VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake.]]



[[WMG: ''Metal Gear Solid 6'' will cover the events of [[MetalGear2SolidSnake The]] [[NoodleIncident Mercenary]] [[GreatOffscreenWar War]].]]
With ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'' bridging the gap between ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'' and ''VideoGame/MetalGear'', the bridge will likewise be gapped between ''VideoGame/MetalGear'' and ''MetalGear2SolidSnake''.

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[[WMG: ''Metal Gear Solid 6'' will cover the events of [[MetalGear2SolidSnake [[VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake The]] [[NoodleIncident Mercenary]] [[GreatOffscreenWar War]].]]
With ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'' bridging the gap between ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'' and ''VideoGame/MetalGear'', ''VideoGame/MetalGear1'', the bridge will likewise be gapped between ''VideoGame/MetalGear'' ''VideoGame/MetalGear1'' and ''MetalGear2SolidSnake''.



[[WMG: [[spoiler: The Big Boss that Snake kills in the original MetalGear is not the same Big Boss that he fights in MetalGear2 and who dies in VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots]]]]
It is revealed in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'' that [[spoiler: Venom Snake is a second Big Boss given fake memories and made into a body double for the real one, who is off building the real Outer Heaven in Zanzibar Land at that time. The original MetalGear is about the real Big Boss using Solid Snake to get rid of the "Phantom" Big Boss/Venom Snake, who hijacked Outer Heaven from him. The misleading codec calls and lies from Big Boss later in the game are all from Venom who you're trying to kill, while the truthful codec calls early in the game are from the real Big Boss who is still your commanding officer during the course of that game. The real Big Boss is the one you fight in the sequel.]]

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[[WMG: [[spoiler: The Big Boss that Snake kills in the original MetalGear VideoGame/MetalGear1 is not the same Big Boss that he fights in MetalGear2 VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake/ and who dies in VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots]]]]
It is revealed in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'' that [[spoiler: Venom Snake is a second Big Boss given fake memories and made into a body double for the real one, who is off building the real Outer Heaven in Zanzibar Land at that time. The original MetalGear VideoGame/MetalGear1 is about the real Big Boss using Solid Snake to get rid of the "Phantom" Big Boss/Venom Snake, who hijacked Outer Heaven from him. The misleading codec calls and lies from Big Boss later in the game are all from Venom who you're trying to kill, while the truthful codec calls early in the game are from the real Big Boss who is still your commanding officer during the course of that game. The real Big Boss is the one you fight in the sequel.]]



[[WMG: The next two ''Metal Gear'' games will be {{Enhanced Remake}}s of the [[VideoGame/MetalGear1 first]] [[VideoGame/MetalGear2 two]] games, possibly titled something like ''Metal Gear Origins''.]]
''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'' is extremely heavy on {{Call Forward}}s to early games in the series, mostly the first game and ''[[MetalGearSolid Solid]]'', and the fact that the epilogue is basically set right at the start of the first game makes it seem unlikely that there's any more to tell in Big Boss's story. But ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' more or less closes the door on Solid's story, leaving little room for new games. But there's a solution! The gap between ''MetalGear2'' and ''MetalGearSolid'' is by far the longest between any two consecutive entries in the series, long enough that many younger gamers could easily be forgiven for thinking the series started with ''Solid'', and furthermore, since the NES adaptation of the first game was so different that it's hardly even considered the same game and the second game didn't even have that much, the first two canon games in the series were only ever released on the MSX, a system that was virtually non-existent outside of Japan. Add in the fact that this gap was so long that the series completely skipped a generation of gaming consoles, from 3rd to 5th, and you have two games that stick out quite a bit--being 2D, not voice-acted, etc. A [=3D=] retelling, keeping the story essentially the same (though possibly fleshed out further) but adding the benefits of modern technology, would bring the "lost games" to the masses and updating them to be more in line with the rest of the series in appearance.

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[[WMG: The next two ''Metal Gear'' games will be {{Enhanced Remake}}s of the [[VideoGame/MetalGear1 first]] [[VideoGame/MetalGear2 [[VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake two]] games, possibly titled something like ''Metal Gear Origins''.]]
''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'' is extremely heavy on {{Call Forward}}s to early games in the series, mostly the first game and ''[[MetalGearSolid ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid Solid]]'', and the fact that the epilogue is basically set right at the start of the first game makes it seem unlikely that there's any more to tell in Big Boss's story. But ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' more or less closes the door on Solid's story, leaving little room for new games. But there's a solution! The gap between ''MetalGear2'' ''VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake'' and ''MetalGearSolid'' ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' is by far the longest between any two consecutive entries in the series, long enough that many younger gamers could easily be forgiven for thinking the series started with ''Solid'', and furthermore, since the NES adaptation of the first game was so different that it's hardly even considered the same game and the second game didn't even have that much, the first two canon games in the series were only ever released on the MSX, a system that was virtually non-existent outside of Japan. Add in the fact that this gap was so long that the series completely skipped a generation of gaming consoles, from 3rd to 5th, and you have two games that stick out quite a bit--being 2D, not voice-acted, etc. A [=3D=] retelling, keeping the story essentially the same (though possibly fleshed out further) but adding the benefits of modern technology, would bring the "lost games" to the masses and updating them to be more in line with the rest of the series in appearance.
2nd Jul '17 11:44:11 AM nombretomado
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I assume this sounds perfectly innocent when it's ''voice-acted'', but consider the ''actual words'': Capitalize the 'a' in Otacon's last line, and consider the '--' in Snake's last line him interrupting himself (presumably to stop himself calling them "hackers on steroids") and suddenly it's NOT. SO. INNOCENT! According to TheOtherWiki, 4chan was launched in October 2003, almost two years after Metal Gear Solid 2 itself was released! So you see, clearly this means that-- hang on, there's someone at the door, I'll be back to finish this post shortly.

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I assume this sounds perfectly innocent when it's ''voice-acted'', but consider the ''actual words'': Capitalize the 'a' in Otacon's last line, and consider the '--' in Snake's last line him interrupting himself (presumably to stop himself calling them "hackers on steroids") and suddenly it's NOT. SO. INNOCENT! According to TheOtherWiki, Wiki/TheOtherWiki, 4chan was launched in October 2003, almost two years after Metal Gear Solid 2 itself was released! So you see, clearly this means that-- hang on, there's someone at the door, I'll be back to finish this post shortly.
2nd Jul '17 11:44:05 AM nombretomado
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* One problem with this theory: According to TheOtherWiki, John Clark was born in 1944, which would make him twenty years old (i.e., the same age as Ocelot) during Operation: Snake Eater. And it's been mentioned (or at least implied) that Big Boss joined the military around 1950. Unless the U.S. has a "Child Soldier" Program that we don't know about, the numbers don't match up.

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* One problem with this theory: According to TheOtherWiki, Wiki/TheOtherWiki, John Clark was born in 1944, which would make him twenty years old (i.e., the same age as Ocelot) during Operation: Snake Eater. And it's been mentioned (or at least implied) that Big Boss joined the military around 1950. Unless the U.S. has a "Child Soldier" Program that we don't know about, the numbers don't match up.
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