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17th Jun '16 9:29:28 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* He can't be heard singing with the others because either he actually isn't or he is indeed singing but while keeping his voice down (in either case, possibly [[spoiler:out of shame]]). Since it has been stated more than once even on this very website that [[spoiler: Javert isn't actually evil]], it is hard to believe and arguably contrary to the very spirit of the musical that an honest man, albeit [[spoiler: [[LawfulNeutral stubborn]], [[GoodIsNotNice cold]] and [[BlackandWhiteInsanity naive]]]], like [[spoiler: Javert]] would [[spoiler: see eternal peace denied to him.]] Though [[spoiler: Suicide is commonly thought of as a mortal sin,]] so's prostitution, and [[spoiler:Fantine was still there.]] In the 90s Church finally changed it's statements- it was quite a revolution, since in times of LesMis both prostitutes and [[spoiler: suicide victims]] were refused proper burial.

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* He can't be heard singing with the others because either he actually isn't or he is indeed singing but while keeping his voice down (in either case, possibly [[spoiler:out of shame]]). Since it has been stated more than once even on this very website that [[spoiler: Javert isn't actually evil]], it is hard to believe and arguably contrary to the very spirit of the musical that an honest man, albeit [[spoiler: [[LawfulNeutral stubborn]], [[GoodIsNotNice cold]] and [[BlackandWhiteInsanity [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity naive]]]], like [[spoiler: Javert]] would [[spoiler: see eternal peace denied to him.]] Though [[spoiler: Suicide is commonly thought of as a mortal sin,]] so's prostitution, and [[spoiler:Fantine was still there.]] In the 90s Church finally changed it's statements- it was quite a revolution, since in times of LesMis both prostitutes and [[spoiler: suicide victims]] were refused proper burial.
6th Jun '15 12:38:18 PM TheUnknownUploader
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* After the barricade, Valjean [[spoiler: died of natural causes, right?]] It's like he just [[spoiler: wilted away and died]], like someone/something sapped out his life force. Also after the barricade, Marius was sick with "brain fever". Severe PTSD, most likely. During the Every Day/A Heart Full of Love scene, Valjean is still in a good healthy state. Whereas Marius... His body may be moving, his heart may be beating, but there's basically no soul in him. His eyes were so empty and frightening, like they were dead. However. He absolutely fucking lighted up when Cosette sang A Heart Full of Love at him. ThePowerofLove to the rescue, right? Nope. Valjean is in the background, singing, "She was never mine to keep," He's giving up Cosette. He's giving up his life purpose, everything that he has to anchor him to this place. Fate has decided Marius Pontmercy was to die upon the barricades. Jean Valjean decided to say, "Screw Fate," and save Marius. But [[spoiler: someone still has to die.]] To quote a Sherlock Holmes fic, "The time is come, but not the man." If Fate has had her way, Marius would've [[spoiler: died from that gunshot.]] Valjean intervened in time and saved Marius' physical body, but his soul is still trapped in the afterlife. It took Valjean giving up everything he's got to bring Marius back. And because he's been in the afterlife far too long, there are side effects: he can still see the ghosts. During Epilogue/Do You Hear the People Sing (Reprise), he hears them, looks up, and looks down, and though he's holding Cosette, his eyes reverted back to that emptiness. Because [[spoiler: there's a shit ton of ghosts right there, and a huge screaming part of his soul says he should be with them.]]

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* After the barricade, Valjean [[spoiler: died of natural causes, right?]] It's like he just [[spoiler: wilted away and died]], like someone/something sapped out his life force. Also after the barricade, Marius was sick with "brain fever". Severe PTSD, most likely. During the Every Day/A Heart Full of Love scene, Valjean is still in a good healthy state. Whereas Marius... His body may be moving, his heart may be beating, but there's basically no soul in him. His eyes were so empty and frightening, like they were dead. However. He absolutely fucking lighted up when Cosette sang A Heart Full of Love at him. ThePowerofLove to the rescue, right? Nope. Valjean is in the background, singing, "She was never mine to keep," He's giving up Cosette. He's giving up his life purpose, everything that he has to anchor him to this place. Fate has decided Marius Pontmercy was to die upon the barricades. Jean Valjean decided to say, "Screw Fate," and save Marius. But [[spoiler: someone still has to die.]] To quote a Sherlock Holmes fic, "The time is come, but not the man." If Fate has had her way, Marius would've [[spoiler: died from that gunshot.]] Valjean intervened in time and saved Marius' physical body, but his soul is still trapped in the afterlife. It took Valjean giving up everything he's got to bring Marius back. And because he's been in the afterlife far too long, there are side effects: he can still see the ghosts. During Epilogue/Do You Hear the People Sing (Reprise), he hears them, looks up, and looks down, and though he's holding Cosette, his eyes reverted back to that emptiness. Because [[spoiler: there's a shit ton of ghosts right there, and a huge screaming part of his soul says he should be with them.]]]]
[[WMG: Valjean can hear the others singing in One Day More".]]
His facial expressions during the song seem to indicate he can hear them.
4th May '15 10:13:16 AM annieholmes
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* After the barricade, Valjean [[spoiler: died of natural causes, right?]] It's like he just [[spoiler: wilted away and died]], like someone/something sapped out his life force. Also after the barricade, Marius was sick with "brain fever". Severe PTSD, most likely. During the Every Day/A Heart Full of Love scene, Valjean is still in a good healthy state. Whereas Marius... His body may be moving, his heart may be beating, but I'll be damned if I say there was a soul in there. His eyes were so empty and frightening, like they were dead. However. He absolutely fucking lighted up when Cosette sang A Heart Full of Love at him. ThePowerofLove to the rescue, right? Nope. Valjean is in the background, singing, "She was never mine to keep," He's giving up Cosette. He's giving up his life purpose, everything that he has to anchor him to this place. Fate has decided Marius Pontmercy was to die upon the barricades. Jean Valjean decided to say, "Screw Fate," and save Marius. But [[spoiler: someone still has to die.]] To quote a Sherlock Holmes fic I recently read, "The time is come, but not the man." If Fate has had her way, Marius would've [[spoiler: died from that gunshot.]] Valjean intervened in time and saved Marius' physical body, but his soul is still trapped in the afterlife. It took Valjean giving up everything he's got to bring Marius back. And because he's been in the afterlife far too long (I can't remember if the Brick says it was weeks or months), there are side effects: he can still see the ghosts. During Epilogue/Do You Hear the People Sing (Reprise), he hears them, looks up, and looks down, and though he's holding Cosette, his eyes reverted back to that emptiness. Because [[spoiler: there's a shit ton of ghosts right there, and a huge screaming part of his soul says he should be with them.]] You're welcome. /flees

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* After the barricade, Valjean [[spoiler: died of natural causes, right?]] It's like he just [[spoiler: wilted away and died]], like someone/something sapped out his life force. Also after the barricade, Marius was sick with "brain fever". Severe PTSD, most likely. During the Every Day/A Heart Full of Love scene, Valjean is still in a good healthy state. Whereas Marius... His body may be moving, his heart may be beating, but I'll be damned if I say there was a there's basically no soul in there.him. His eyes were so empty and frightening, like they were dead. However. He absolutely fucking lighted up when Cosette sang A Heart Full of Love at him. ThePowerofLove to the rescue, right? Nope. Valjean is in the background, singing, "She was never mine to keep," He's giving up Cosette. He's giving up his life purpose, everything that he has to anchor him to this place. Fate has decided Marius Pontmercy was to die upon the barricades. Jean Valjean decided to say, "Screw Fate," and save Marius. But [[spoiler: someone still has to die.]] To quote a Sherlock Holmes fic I recently read, fic, "The time is come, but not the man." If Fate has had her way, Marius would've [[spoiler: died from that gunshot.]] Valjean intervened in time and saved Marius' physical body, but his soul is still trapped in the afterlife. It took Valjean giving up everything he's got to bring Marius back. And because he's been in the afterlife far too long (I can't remember if the Brick says it was weeks or months), long, there are side effects: he can still see the ghosts. During Epilogue/Do You Hear the People Sing (Reprise), he hears them, looks up, and looks down, and though he's holding Cosette, his eyes reverted back to that emptiness. Because [[spoiler: there's a shit ton of ghosts right there, and a huge screaming part of his soul says he should be with them.]] You're welcome. /flees
22nd Mar '15 2:47:06 PM annieholmes
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* After the barricade, Valjean died of natural causes, right? It's like he just wilted away and died, like someone/something sapped out his life force. Also after the barricade, Marius was sick with "brain fever". Severe PTSD, most likely. During the Every Day/A Heart Full of Love scene, Valjean is still in a good healthy state. Whereas Marius... His body may be moving, his heart may be beating, but I'll be damned if I say there was a soul in there. His eyes were so empty and frightening, like they were dead. However. He absolutely fucking lighted up when Cosette sang A Heart Full of Love at him. ThePowerofLove to the rescue, right? Nope. Valjean is in the background, singing, "She was never mine to keep," He's giving up Cosette. He's giving up his life purpose, everything that he has to anchor him to this place. Fate has decided Marius Pontmercy was to die upon the barricades. Jean Valjean decided to say, "Screw Fate," and save Marius. But someone still has to die. To quote a Sherlock Holmes fic I recently read, "The time is come, but not the man." If Fate has had her way, Marius would've died from that gunshot. Valjean intervened in time and saved Marius' physical body, but his soul is still trapped in the afterlife. It took Valjean giving up everything he's got to bring Marius back. And because he's been in the afterlife far too long (I can't remember if the Brick says it was weeks or months), there are side effects: he can still see the ghosts. During Epilogue/Do You Hear the People Sing (Reprise), he hears them, looks up, and looks down, and though he's holding Cosette, his eyes reverted back to that emptiness. Because there's a shit ton of ghosts right there, and a huge screaming part of his soul says he should be with them. You're welcome. /flees

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* After the barricade, Valjean [[spoiler: died of natural causes, right? right?]] It's like he just [[spoiler: wilted away and died, died]], like someone/something sapped out his life force. Also after the barricade, Marius was sick with "brain fever". Severe PTSD, most likely. During the Every Day/A Heart Full of Love scene, Valjean is still in a good healthy state. Whereas Marius... His body may be moving, his heart may be beating, but I'll be damned if I say there was a soul in there. His eyes were so empty and frightening, like they were dead. However. He absolutely fucking lighted up when Cosette sang A Heart Full of Love at him. ThePowerofLove to the rescue, right? Nope. Valjean is in the background, singing, "She was never mine to keep," He's giving up Cosette. He's giving up his life purpose, everything that he has to anchor him to this place. Fate has decided Marius Pontmercy was to die upon the barricades. Jean Valjean decided to say, "Screw Fate," and save Marius. But [[spoiler: someone still has to die. die.]] To quote a Sherlock Holmes fic I recently read, "The time is come, but not the man." If Fate has had her way, Marius would've [[spoiler: died from that gunshot. gunshot.]] Valjean intervened in time and saved Marius' physical body, but his soul is still trapped in the afterlife. It took Valjean giving up everything he's got to bring Marius back. And because he's been in the afterlife far too long (I can't remember if the Brick says it was weeks or months), there are side effects: he can still see the ghosts. During Epilogue/Do You Hear the People Sing (Reprise), he hears them, looks up, and looks down, and though he's holding Cosette, his eyes reverted back to that emptiness. Because [[spoiler: there's a shit ton of ghosts right there, and a huge screaming part of his soul says he should be with them. them.]] You're welcome. /flees
22nd Mar '15 2:45:42 PM annieholmes
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* After the barricade, Valjean died of natural causes, right? It's like he just wilted away and died, like someone/something sapped out his life force. Also after the barricade, Marius was sick with "brain fever". Severe PTSD, most likely. During the Every Day/A Heart Full of Love scene, Valjean is still in a good healthy state. Whereas Marius... His body may be moving, his heart may be beating, but I'll be damned if I say there was a soul in there. His eyes were so empty and frightening, like they were dead. However. He absolutely fucking lighted up when Cosette sang A Heart Full of Love at him. ThePowerofLove to the rescue, right?
Nope.
Valjean is in the background, singing, "She was never mine to keep," He's giving up Cosette. He's giving up his life purpose, everything that he has to anchor him to this place. Fate has decided Marius Pontmercy was to die upon the barricades. Jean Valjean decided to say, "Screw Fate," and save Marius. But someone still has to die. To quote a Sherlock Holmes fic I recently read, "The time is come, but not the man."
If Fate has had her way, Marius would've died from that gunshot. Valjean intervened in time and saved Marius' physical body, but his soul is still trapped in the afterlife. It took Valjean giving up everything he's got to bring Marius back. And because he's been in the afterlife far too long (I can't remember if the Brick says it was weeks or months), there are side effects: he can still see the ghosts.
During Epilogue/Do You Hear the People Sing (Reprise), he hears them, looks up, and looks down, and though he's holding Cosette, his eyes reverted back to that emptiness. Because there's a shit ton of ghosts right there, and a huge screaming part of his soul says he should be with them. You're welcome. /flees

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* After the barricade, Valjean died of natural causes, right? It's like he just wilted away and died, like someone/something sapped out his life force. Also after the barricade, Marius was sick with "brain fever". Severe PTSD, most likely. During the Every Day/A Heart Full of Love scene, Valjean is still in a good healthy state. Whereas Marius... His body may be moving, his heart may be beating, but I'll be damned if I say there was a soul in there. His eyes were so empty and frightening, like they were dead. However. He absolutely fucking lighted up when Cosette sang A Heart Full of Love at him. ThePowerofLove to the rescue, right?
Nope.
right? Nope. Valjean is in the background, singing, "She was never mine to keep," He's giving up Cosette. He's giving up his life purpose, everything that he has to anchor him to this place. Fate has decided Marius Pontmercy was to die upon the barricades. Jean Valjean decided to say, "Screw Fate," and save Marius. But someone still has to die. To quote a Sherlock Holmes fic I recently read, "The time is come, but not the man."
" If Fate has had her way, Marius would've died from that gunshot. Valjean intervened in time and saved Marius' physical body, but his soul is still trapped in the afterlife. It took Valjean giving up everything he's got to bring Marius back. And because he's been in the afterlife far too long (I can't remember if the Brick says it was weeks or months), there are side effects: he can still see the ghosts. \n During Epilogue/Do You Hear the People Sing (Reprise), he hears them, looks up, and looks down, and though he's holding Cosette, his eyes reverted back to that emptiness. Because there's a shit ton of ghosts right there, and a huge screaming part of his soul says he should be with them. You're welcome. /flees
22nd Mar '15 2:45:12 PM annieholmes
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** In the musical, he really is speaking to the audience.

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** In the musical, he really is speaking to the audience.audience.
[[WMG: Marius survived thanks to EquivalentExchange]]
* After the barricade, Valjean died of natural causes, right? It's like he just wilted away and died, like someone/something sapped out his life force. Also after the barricade, Marius was sick with "brain fever". Severe PTSD, most likely. During the Every Day/A Heart Full of Love scene, Valjean is still in a good healthy state. Whereas Marius... His body may be moving, his heart may be beating, but I'll be damned if I say there was a soul in there. His eyes were so empty and frightening, like they were dead. However. He absolutely fucking lighted up when Cosette sang A Heart Full of Love at him. ThePowerofLove to the rescue, right?
Nope.
Valjean is in the background, singing, "She was never mine to keep," He's giving up Cosette. He's giving up his life purpose, everything that he has to anchor him to this place. Fate has decided Marius Pontmercy was to die upon the barricades. Jean Valjean decided to say, "Screw Fate," and save Marius. But someone still has to die. To quote a Sherlock Holmes fic I recently read, "The time is come, but not the man."
If Fate has had her way, Marius would've died from that gunshot. Valjean intervened in time and saved Marius' physical body, but his soul is still trapped in the afterlife. It took Valjean giving up everything he's got to bring Marius back. And because he's been in the afterlife far too long (I can't remember if the Brick says it was weeks or months), there are side effects: he can still see the ghosts.
During Epilogue/Do You Hear the People Sing (Reprise), he hears them, looks up, and looks down, and though he's holding Cosette, his eyes reverted back to that emptiness. Because there's a shit ton of ghosts right there, and a huge screaming part of his soul says he should be with them. You're welcome. /flees
26th Feb '15 12:19:19 PM TheUnknownUploader
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* When he's telling that rich guy "How do you do my name's Gavroche? These are my people, here's my patch", that rich guy ''obviously'' doesn't care, but ''we'' do! And later, when Gavroche is at the barricades, he risks his life in front of the soldiers not because he thinks the soldiers won't kill a child, but because he thinks ''Victor Hugo'' won't kill a child!

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* When he's telling that rich guy "How do you do my name's Gavroche? These are my people, here's my patch", that rich guy ''obviously'' doesn't care, but ''we'' do! And later, when Gavroche is at the barricades, he risks his life in front of the soldiers not because he thinks the soldiers won't kill a child, [[WrongGenreSavvy but because he thinks ''Victor Hugo'' thinks]] ''[[WrongGenreSavvy Victor Hugo]]'' [[WrongGenreSavvy won't kill a child!child!]]
24th Apr '14 2:04:18 AM Blackie62
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*** He allows freedom, he's just fervent in upholding reasonable laws, it'd actually be a rather wise interpretation of the "everything is permitted" part of the creed.

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*** He allows freedom, he's just fervent in upholding reasonable laws, upholds the law as a necessity of human life, it'd actually be a rather wise interpretation of the "everything is permitted" part of the creed.creed if he wasn't, you know, [[InspectorJavert Javert]].
21st Feb '14 3:46:43 AM Blackie62
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*** He allows freedom, he's just fervent in upholding reasonable laws, it'd actually be a rather wise interpretation of the "everything is permitted" part of the creed.
21st Jan '14 3:10:46 PM hannahstohelit
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** As I watched that scene I was waiting and waiting to see Javert there- not singing, as that would be a bit of a jump (oh, ha ha, I crack myself up sometimes) from his stance in the rest of the story, but perhaps looking up at Valjean- and I was so disappointed that he wasn't. I think that it would have worked in Valjean had been the center of the scene- instead, he was just fitting in place, like a puzzle piece. Javert really didn't have a place in the picture to fit into, so he was left out.
My personal headcanon, though, is that when he died he, too, was met by the Bishop. I just think it would be so fitting.

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** As I watched that scene I was waiting and waiting to see Javert there- not singing, as that would be a bit of a jump (oh, ha ha, I crack myself up sometimes) from his stance in the rest of the story, but perhaps looking up at Valjean- and I was so disappointed that he wasn't. I think that it would have worked in Valjean had been the center of the scene- instead, he was just fitting in place, like a puzzle piece. Javert really didn't have a place in the picture to fit into, so he was left out.
out. My personal headcanon, though, is that when he died he, too, was met by the Bishop. I just think it would be so fitting.
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