History WMG / KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance

20th Apr '16 9:33:35 PM CaptainMegaDong
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Jossed, Kingdom Hearts 3 has been announced.
20th Apr '16 10:32:43 AM Willbyr
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[[WMG: Goat Horn is the spawn / fusion of [[{{Okami}} Kazegami]] and either [[{{Pokemon}} Sawsbuck]] or [[VideoGame/MonsterHunter Anteka]].]]

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[[WMG: Goat Horn is the spawn / fusion of [[{{Okami}} [[VideoGame/{{Okami}} Kazegami]] and either [[{{Pokemon}} [[Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Sawsbuck]] or [[VideoGame/MonsterHunter Anteka]].]]
15th Apr '16 1:56:04 PM Willbyr
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* By that logic the worlds will hopefully get more and more nonsensical as you progress, with Symphony of Sorcery as the final world before the ''{{Paprika}}''-level of absolutely insane [[TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon Very Definitely Final Dungeon]].

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* By that logic the worlds will hopefully get more and more nonsensical as you progress, with Symphony of Sorcery as the final world before the ''{{Paprika}}''-level ''Literature/{{Paprika}}''-level of absolutely insane [[TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon Very Definitely Final Dungeon]].
14th Jan '16 4:24:18 PM nombretomado
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** WMG seconded by @/AlexSora89. So far, confirmed TWEWY characters are Neku, Shiki, Joshua, Beat, and Rhyme. Given this is already awesome and rejoice-inducing by itself, we could say that we already have enough characters, considering TWEWY characters only have cameos and therefore aren't going to be central to the plot, as ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts'' did the same with characters from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII''. However, with that said, such a large amount of returning characters ''needs'' a villain from their same world (even if it's just for an early subplot), so SquareEnix is likely to be GenreSavvy enough to pick up an EnsembleDarkHorse like Sho Minamimoto in order to make the rejoicing begin anew.

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** WMG seconded by @/AlexSora89. So far, confirmed TWEWY characters are Neku, Shiki, Joshua, Beat, and Rhyme. Given this is already awesome and rejoice-inducing by itself, we could say that we already have enough characters, considering TWEWY characters only have cameos and therefore aren't going to be central to the plot, as ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts'' did the same with characters from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII''. However, with that said, such a large amount of returning characters ''needs'' a villain from their same world (even if it's just for an early subplot), so SquareEnix Creator/SquareEnix is likely to be GenreSavvy enough to pick up an EnsembleDarkHorse like Sho Minamimoto in order to make the rejoicing begin anew.
21st Oct '15 5:50:00 PM nombretomado
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* ''Disney/{{Tangled}}''. Rapunzel would make an awesome party member. And considering that it's now one of {{Disney}}'s most successful animated movies...

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* ''Disney/{{Tangled}}''. Rapunzel would make an awesome party member. And considering that it's now one of {{Disney}}'s Creator/{{Disney}}'s most successful animated movies...
2nd Sep '15 4:28:52 PM Prfnoff
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* Another thing [[@/AlexSora89 this very same troper]] forgot to mention was the fact that all Disney worlds will be new, making this the very first game without Olympus Colosseum. This world has always been present thanks to [[TournamentArc a very japanese trope]], the same trope that made many FF characters' appearances (the most notable of which being [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Sephi]][[VideoGame/KingdomHearts roth]], [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX Aur]][[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII on]] and [[VideoGame/CrisisCore Za]][[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep ck]]) a whole lot more plausible. This only further screws up FF characters' chances to appear in 3D. Except for Moogles, already seen in the Jump Festa trailers, but they appeared in every game in the KH series, including ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsDays Days]]'', the ''other'' KH game without any other FF characters. Again, [[IKnewIt calling it right now.]]

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* Another thing [[@/AlexSora89 this very same troper]] forgot to mention was the fact that all Disney worlds will be new, making this the very first game without Olympus Colosseum. This world has always been present thanks to [[TournamentArc a very japanese trope]], the same trope that made many FF characters' appearances (the most notable of which being [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Sephi]][[VideoGame/KingdomHearts roth]], [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX Aur]][[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII on]] and [[VideoGame/CrisisCore Za]][[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep ck]]) a whole lot more plausible. This only further screws up FF characters' chances to appear in 3D. Except for Moogles, already seen in the Jump Festa trailers, but they appeared in every game in the KH series, including ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsDays ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts358DaysOver2 Days]]'', the ''other'' KH game without any other FF characters. Again, [[IKnewIt calling it right now.]]



Just as in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsDays'', in ''3D'' we'll get to see them as unlockable characters, only as party members this time around. How? Well, TetsuyaNomura has [[WordOfGod stated himself]] they wouldn't be party members because he likes "to experiment a bit when not developing a numbered title", and therefore they're not going to be available; however, considering late news about the game showing how recruiting Dream Eaters needs "recipes" to do so, well, it's not hard to imagine a [[spoiler: "Donald recipe" or a "Goofy recipe"]] for Sora or a [[spoiler: "Mickey recipe"]] for Riku, right?

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Just as in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsDays'', ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts358DaysOver2'', in ''3D'' we'll get to see them as unlockable characters, only as party members this time around. How? Well, TetsuyaNomura has [[WordOfGod stated himself]] they wouldn't be party members because he likes "to experiment a bit when not developing a numbered title", and therefore they're not going to be available; however, considering late news about the game showing how recruiting Dream Eaters needs "recipes" to do so, well, it's not hard to imagine a [[spoiler: "Donald recipe" or a "Goofy recipe"]] for Sora or a [[spoiler: "Mickey recipe"]] for Riku, right?
26th Aug '15 2:10:52 PM nombretomado
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* ''TheMuppets'', probably following either the original ''TheMuppetMovie'' or [[Film/TheMuppets the upcoming one]]. Hey, they're the property of Disney, have been appearing at the theme parks since 1990, and are extremely popular.

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* ''TheMuppets'', ''Franchise/TheMuppets'', probably following either the original ''TheMuppetMovie'' ''Film/TheMuppetMovie'' or [[Film/TheMuppets the upcoming one]]. Hey, they're the property of Disney, have been appearing at the theme parks since 1990, and are extremely popular.



**** It could even be the new Hundred Acre Wood, themed around the concept of an episode of ''TheMuppetShow'' with Sora and/or Riku as the guest star(s)[[note]]possibly Donald and Goofy too, if it's in a main series game rather than ''3D''[[/note]]. It could have various minigames based on segments from the show (Atlantica-like musical numbers, Swedish Chef's kitchen, Pigs in Space, Fozzie's comedy acts, Gonzo's stunts, etc.) It also gives the opportunity for hilarious, "Muppety" bits such as Miss Piggy dressing up as Kairi and trying to woo our heroes!

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**** It could even be the new Hundred Acre Wood, themed around the concept of an episode of ''TheMuppetShow'' ''Series/TheMuppetShow'' with Sora and/or Riku as the guest star(s)[[note]]possibly Donald and Goofy too, if it's in a main series game rather than ''3D''[[/note]]. It could have various minigames based on segments from the show (Atlantica-like musical numbers, Swedish Chef's kitchen, Pigs in Space, Fozzie's comedy acts, Gonzo's stunts, etc.) It also gives the opportunity for hilarious, "Muppety" bits such as Miss Piggy dressing up as Kairi and trying to woo our heroes!
17th Jun '15 10:57:27 AM monkeypizzasonic
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[[WMG: Lea couldn't [[spoiler: summon a keyblade]] until the end because he hadn't "earned" it yet.]]
And the act that made Kingdom Hearts/the powers that be/whatever deem him worthy was [[spoiler: saving Sora from becoming a vessel of darkness near the end.]] It could also help that [[spoiler: his heart is tied to Roxas and Xion's, and by extension Ven and Sora's. And his determination to save his friends from darkness.]]
1st Jun '15 9:52:17 AM phoenix
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* ''Disney/TheJungleBook''. Especially considering the DummiedOut data of it found in ''BirthBySleep''.

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* ''Disney/TheJungleBook''. Especially considering the DummiedOut data of it found in ''BirthBySleep''.''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep''.



Either the datascape of a hidden set of files on Ansem's computer, or the research notes Ansem said he hid in Jiminy's diary. The new worlds are there because instead of going to simulations of worlds based on ''Sora's'' memories to recover what happened to him, they're going through recreations of where ''Ansem'' had gone to recover where ''Ansem'' went and what happened to him, in an attempt to recover some lost clues about the BirthBySleep trio that Ansem had discovered -- probably relating to Terra's heart locked away within Terranort.

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Either the datascape of a hidden set of files on Ansem's computer, or the research notes Ansem said he hid in Jiminy's diary. The new worlds are there because instead of going to simulations of worlds based on ''Sora's'' memories to recover what happened to him, they're going through recreations of where ''Ansem'' had gone to recover where ''Ansem'' went and what happened to him, in an attempt to recover some lost clues about the BirthBySleep ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'' trio that Ansem had discovered -- probably relating to Terra's heart locked away within Terranort.



* [[BirthBySleep The X-Blade]]. Or at least, a replica of it. And the Keyhole of Sleep will be unlocking Ventus's memories (maybe even Vanitas, Xion, and Roxas's too) and allowing Sora to realize what he has to do to save them all.

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* [[BirthBySleep [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep The X-Blade]]. Or at least, a replica of it. And the Keyhole of Sleep will be unlocking Ventus's memories (maybe even Vanitas, Xion, and Roxas's too) and allowing Sora to realize what he has to do to save them all.



* From Aqua's ending in BirthBySleep:

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* From Aqua's ending in BirthBySleep:''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'':



* It's quite possible that the leader could be the Mysterious Figure seen in ''BirthBySleep''.

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* It's quite possible that the leader could be the Mysterious Figure seen in ''BirthBySleep''.''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep''.



* [[@/AlexSora89 I]] support the theory, but don't want to state why because [[ItsBeenDone I already did previously]] in another WMG you can find in the WMG/KingdomHeartsOpenTwo page, namely the one about [[spoiler: the Mysterious Figure from ''BirthBySleep'' being Luxord]].

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* [[@/AlexSora89 I]] support the theory, but don't want to state why because [[ItsBeenDone I already did previously]] in another WMG you can find in the WMG/KingdomHeartsOpenTwo page, namely the one about [[spoiler: the Mysterious Figure from ''BirthBySleep'' ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'' being Luxord]].



Riku will [[spoiler: stab Terranort in the chest with Way To The Dawn, but while this will release Terra, Xehanort's heart will possess Riku in the process, ''[[HereWeGoAgain thus starting everything since BBS until KHcoded again.]]'']] Maybe it'd be a bit [[DownerEnding bleak]] considering Sora's story is likely to end [[BittersweetEnding a bit better]], but given the handheld installments of the series have quite a tendency to avoid legitimately happy endings ([[spoiler: except for [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsCoded one]]]]), this outcome is really easy to imagine. What makes even more sense about it is that [[HistoryRepeats history repeating]] would make ''Kingdom Hearts III'' a fitting GrandFinale, [[spoiler: complete with basically the events of ''BirthBySleep'' with enough GenreSavvy by the protagonists to allow them to [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong avoid making mistakes]].]] In short, ''III'' would [[TheAbridgedSeries abridge]] the ''KH series'' much like [[ReCut Dragon Ball KAI abridged the original DBZ series.]]

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Riku will [[spoiler: stab Terranort in the chest with Way To The Dawn, but while this will release Terra, Xehanort's heart will possess Riku in the process, ''[[HereWeGoAgain thus starting everything since BBS until KHcoded again.]]'']] Maybe it'd be a bit [[DownerEnding bleak]] considering Sora's story is likely to end [[BittersweetEnding a bit better]], but given the handheld installments of the series have quite a tendency to avoid legitimately happy endings ([[spoiler: except for [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsCoded one]]]]), this outcome is really easy to imagine. What makes even more sense about it is that [[HistoryRepeats history repeating]] would make ''Kingdom Hearts III'' a fitting GrandFinale, [[spoiler: complete with basically the events of ''BirthBySleep'' ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'' with enough GenreSavvy by the protagonists to allow them to [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong avoid making mistakes]].]] In short, ''III'' would [[TheAbridgedSeries abridge]] the ''KH series'' much like [[ReCut Dragon Ball KAI abridged the original DBZ series.]]



Now, the ''Kingdom Hearts Ultimania'' Book for BirthBySleep hints that Ventus' heart might have remained within Roxas and that this might be the cause for him looking exactly like Ventus, but there's one crucial flaw in this: Both, VideoGame/KingdomHeartsCoded and VideoGame/KingdomHearts3D strongly imply that Roxas is to be considered an existence seperate from Ventus. Likewise, Ventus' heart was supposed to be pure light, yet Roxas is capable of opening Corridors of Darkness and his personality, while resembling Ventus' a lot more than Sora's, is also lot more aggressive, moody and overall negative. He does a lot of things that a "Heart of Pure Light" would never do... Like senselessly destroying a computer, just to express his anger. This is something Ventus would have never done, no matter the circumstances. However, it's also made very clear that Roxas' heart is very different from Sora's, [[spoiler: which is striking, especially compared to Axel/Lea, who apparently had his old heart and his new heart merge seamlessly upon being turned back to normal.]] The seamless merging-process failed with Sora, as Roxas clearly retains a seperate conciousness. The question is: Why? If he is neither Ventus, nor a natural recreation of Sora's heart, then ''what'' is his heart?

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Now, the ''Kingdom Hearts Ultimania'' Book for BirthBySleep ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'' hints that Ventus' heart might have remained within Roxas and that this might be the cause for him looking exactly like Ventus, but there's one crucial flaw in this: Both, VideoGame/KingdomHeartsCoded and VideoGame/KingdomHearts3D strongly imply that Roxas is to be considered an existence seperate from Ventus. Likewise, Ventus' heart was supposed to be pure light, yet Roxas is capable of opening Corridors of Darkness and his personality, while resembling Ventus' a lot more than Sora's, is also lot more aggressive, moody and overall negative. He does a lot of things that a "Heart of Pure Light" would never do... Like senselessly destroying a computer, just to express his anger. This is something Ventus would have never done, no matter the circumstances. However, it's also made very clear that Roxas' heart is very different from Sora's, [[spoiler: which is striking, especially compared to Axel/Lea, who apparently had his old heart and his new heart merge seamlessly upon being turned back to normal.]] The seamless merging-process failed with Sora, as Roxas clearly retains a seperate conciousness. The question is: Why? If he is neither Ventus, nor a natural recreation of Sora's heart, then ''what'' is his heart?



Summing this theory up, basically Roxas and Vanitas were the same entity all along and Vanitas basically failed ''twice'' at living a "complete" life, despite not even being a bad person and genuinely caring for someone the second time around, which would only add insult to the injury. Note how the BirthBySleep Novels implied that part of Vanitas' issues came from the fact that he found himself unable to touch anything without destroying it by impuls... And now connect this with Roxas' experience of being forced to kill Xion, one of his two dearest friends. It would make his sudden rush of rage even ''more'' justified, given that this experience probably ripped open old wounds from his previous life's trauma, even if he didn't remember conciously.

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Summing this theory up, basically Roxas and Vanitas were the same entity all along and Vanitas basically failed ''twice'' at living a "complete" life, despite not even being a bad person and genuinely caring for someone the second time around, which would only add insult to the injury. Note how the BirthBySleep ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'' Novels implied that part of Vanitas' issues came from the fact that he found himself unable to touch anything without destroying it by impuls... And now connect this with Roxas' experience of being forced to kill Xion, one of his two dearest friends. It would make his sudden rush of rage even ''more'' justified, given that this experience probably ripped open old wounds from his previous life's trauma, even if he didn't remember conciously.
27th May '15 3:32:45 PM ShinyTsukkomi
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* While their respective movies perhaps wouldn't work all too well as their own worlds, boss fights with [[Disney/{{Fantasia 2000}} the Firebird]] and [[TheLegendOfSleepyHollow the Headless Horseman]] would be fantastic. As for other potential worlds, I could see ''TheWindInTheWillows'' potentially working. And if they only focused on the cartoon sections like [[Ride/DisneyThemeParks Splash Mountain]] does, I could even see a Song of the South world similar to the Winnie the Pooh segments in previous games.

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* While their respective movies perhaps wouldn't work all too well as their own worlds, boss fights with [[Disney/{{Fantasia 2000}} the Firebird]] and [[TheLegendOfSleepyHollow [[Literature/TheLegendOfSleepyHollow the Headless Horseman]] would be fantastic. As for other potential worlds, I could see ''TheWindInTheWillows'' potentially working. And if they only focused on the cartoon sections like [[Ride/DisneyThemeParks Splash Mountain]] does, I could even see a Song of the South world similar to the Winnie the Pooh segments in previous games.
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