History WMG / InglouriousBasterds

4th Jan '16 3:01:12 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Hans Landa is [[SpringAwakening Hanschen Rilow]].]]

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[[WMG: Hans Landa is [[SpringAwakening [[Theatre/SpringAwakening Hanschen Rilow]].]]
13th Sep '15 8:51:14 PM Fitzherald
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[[WMG: Landa is gay]]
He seemed close to tears when Raine shot the operator -- and why would he negotiate for the life of a radio operator along with his own?
* They also seemed close when celebrating their success upon crossing the border.
** When he points out the radio operator and mentions his name, he sounds somewhat too affectionate for the theory that he just calls all his subordinates by the same name. And when Herrman is shot, he flips his shit, not because of the imminent danger against his own person but because he made a deal for Herrman's life.

This would also explain why he's willing to betray his country: the Nazis considered male homosexuality ([[GirlOnGirlIsHot Lesbianism]] [[DoubleStandard was considered a less severe crime and generally not punished]]) a crime along the lines of being a [[strike: Gypsy]] Roma or Jewish. He had to betray it before it betrayed him.

[[HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday His carefully-cultivated reputation as a womanizer]]? Lies, all lies. Life as the Sherlock of the Schutzstaffel has got to be busy. Even if he did have the inclination to bed every other woman he meets, he probably didn't have the ''time''.
* Notice that Von Hammersmark never mentions his "conquests'" gender.
** Bridget might also know that he's gay (or bisexual) and her faux-flirtatious comments about his conquests are a way of needling him about it, reminding him that she's not taken in by his facade of being the perfect officer.

Perhaps relatedly, he makes a few remarks indicating that his thinking is not completely in line with the Nazis. These are lent some coherence by the idea that Landa is gay and had been planning to defect for quite some time:
* He explains to Monsieur [=LaPadite=] that while most German soldiers can only think like a hawk (an official symbol of the Nazi party), he himself can think like a rat, i.e. like a Jew. He knows where to find all the good hiding places.
** Landa, a homosexual, is also following his rat-like instincts to hide from the Nazis -- but he's [[HiddenInPlainSight hiding in plain sight, as a Nazi officer]]!
* When Shosanna, posing as Emmanuelle Mimieux, tells him that she employs Marcel, a black projectionist, he remarks that that may well be a good career for blacks. Granted, he isn't exactly advocating equal rights (and he ''does'' instruct her not to allow Marcel to operate the projectors on the night of the premiere), but his belief that blacks can work in a normal, cranial job capacity (rather than strictly in manual labor) comes across as surprisingly liberal for a Nazi.
* Alternatively, he only discovers that he is gay between the opening scene and the main film. This would explain his change in opinion on his duties (he liked the title of Jew Hunter at the beginning, he disliked it when talking to Raine) after he realizes he is like the Jews, a hated target of the Nazis. He is also head of security for the film premiere, perhaps a result of changing jobs out of disgust?
* Landa's homosexuality may add another nuance to the Holmes comparison, [[SherlockHolmes another well-known bachelor]]. Also, according to the story his various medals and awards tell, he's been with the Nazi Party and the SS a very long time at this point, at least since he was a young man. Perhaps he's re-evaluated his perspective on the party's positions as he discovered or came to terms with his own sexuality, or he's involved for strictly pragmatic reasons.
* Unlikely, considering the make-out-proxy moment he has with the napkin Hammersmark kissed, once he discovers it in the remains of the bar. Add that to all the flirting he does, and it's probably safe to assume that he's more likely straight or bi, and harboring a thing for everyone's favorite German actress.
** Made even more likely by his sobbing [[spoiler: when he strangles her after he finds out the heels in the tavern were hers.]] The entire scene with the foot is kind of telling.
*** And he has no qualms about ogling the dairy farmer's daughters.
**** The screenplay makes his reason for ogling them pretty clear -- in the original draft, [=LaPadite=]'s wife is present as well, and it's her Landa is making eyes at, kissing her hand before innocently commenting that he's followed by three soldiers, much like [=LaPadite=]'s accompanied by his three beautiful daughters... {{shame if something happened}} [[RapeAsDrama to them.]] Regardless of his sexual orientation, he's a real bastard.

[[WMG: On the flip side, Aldo Raine is gay]]
Although it [[StraightGay isn't]] [[ManlyGay obvious]]. It would go a long way towards explaining his apparently very personal hatred of Nazis, despite being by all appearances a redneck WASP (albeit with some Indian blood, but that doesn't seem as big a factor) who would otherwise be at home among the KKK. He also may have endured a great deal of persecution in his home state of Tennessee.
20th Jul '15 12:05:10 PM Morgenthaler
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The scene in the tavern proves the existence of German author Karl May and his works in the Tarantino-verse, as well as their popularity among the Germans, just as it is the case in RealLife. Thus, after word of his Apache heritage has spread among the Wehrmacht soldiers, the original nickname of Aldo Raine was of course ''{{Winnetou}}'', after the Apache protagonist in May's novels. [[ThemeNaming In order to keep up the theme]], Donny Donowitz was named after Winnetou's best friend ''Old Shatterhand'', this way also alluding to what he uses his baseball bat for. The bat itself got the nickname ''Bärentöter'' ("bear killer") after one of Old Shatterhand's two trademark guns. (The [[{{BFG}} bigger]] one.)

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The scene in the tavern proves the existence of German author Karl May and his works in the Tarantino-verse, as well as their popularity among the Germans, just as it is the case in RealLife. Thus, after word of his Apache heritage has spread among the Wehrmacht soldiers, the original nickname of Aldo Raine was of course ''{{Winnetou}}'', ''Literature/{{Winnetou}}'', after the Apache protagonist in May's novels. [[ThemeNaming In order to keep up the theme]], Donny Donowitz was named after Winnetou's best friend ''Old Shatterhand'', this way also alluding to what he uses his baseball bat for. The bat itself got the nickname ''Bärentöter'' ("bear killer") after one of Old Shatterhand's two trademark guns. (The [[{{BFG}} bigger]] one.)
18th Dec '14 2:55:07 PM localvagrant
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*** I'm...not sure if you're serious or not. I see what you're saying about only two men holding down Landa and the knife angle, but everything else you're saying either makes no sense or can easily be ascribed to misinterpreting what's happening on screen.
20th Sep '14 3:53:06 PM RossN
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[[WMG: Von Hammersmark was ''never'' a good spy, she was TheFool whose luck ran out.]]
* Von Hammersmark is built up as a master spy who made the Basterds plot possible, yet every onscreen call she makes turns out to be the wrong one. Some of this is sheer bad luck (the party being thrown in the tavern) but she firmly carries the IdiotBall for most of the film (such as not taking ten minutes to think up a semi-plausible reason for her cast.)
15th Jul '14 6:49:47 AM VPhantom
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**** The screenplay makes his reason for ogling them pretty clear -- in the original draft, LaPadite's wife is present as well, and it's her Landa is making eyes at, kissing her hand before innocently commenting that he's followed by three soldiers, much like LaPadite's accompanied by his three beautiful daughters... {{shame if something happened}} [[RapeAsDrama to them.]] Regardless of his sexual orientation, he's a real bastard.

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**** The screenplay makes his reason for ogling them pretty clear -- in the original draft, LaPadite's [=LaPadite=]'s wife is present as well, and it's her Landa is making eyes at, kissing her hand before innocently commenting that he's followed by three soldiers, much like LaPadite's [=LaPadite=]'s accompanied by his three beautiful daughters... {{shame if something happened}} [[RapeAsDrama to them.]] Regardless of his sexual orientation, he's a real bastard.
14th Sep '13 2:26:34 PM JIKTV
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[[CaptainAmerica Hitler is replaced by the Red Skull.]]

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[[CaptainAmerica [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Hitler is replaced by the Red Skull.]]



* Or, maybe they froze Hitler to save him, and [[JusticeLeague Vandal Savage]] took over instead...

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* Or, maybe they froze Hitler to save him, and [[JusticeLeague [[Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica Vandal Savage]] took over instead...



* Wait, wouldn't Rommel already be dead by the time ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'' happened?
** No, the later part of ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'' take place in the summer of 1944 -- the Allies are still in Normandy, and the Germans are still in Paris. The year itself is also mentioned.

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* Wait, wouldn't Rommel already be dead by the time ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'' ''Inglourious Basterds'' happened?
** No, the later part of ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'' ''Inglourious Basterds'' take place in the summer of 1944 -- the Allies are still in Normandy, and the Germans are still in Paris. The year itself is also mentioned.



* If you look at the [[WMG/NoMoreHeroes WMGs for]] NoMoreHeroes, then that would mean that Holly Summers is Aldo's daughter and Bad Girl is the Scout's daughter.

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* If you look at the [[WMG/NoMoreHeroes WMGs for]] NoMoreHeroes, ''VideoGame/NoMoreHeroes'', then that would mean that Holly Summers is Aldo's daughter and Bad Girl is the Scout's daughter.



* Although it doesn't relate to ''Film/KillBill'', a more subtle break from reality in ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'' would be Lt. Aldo Raine's apparent knowledge of the Holocaust, as shown when he refers to the Nazi high command (probably specifically, Hitler) as "mass-murderin' maniac." Would an American lieutenant in 1944 have known of the true extent of the Holocaust? Later, Sgt. Donowitz asks the German sergeant whether he received a particular medal for killing Jews.

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* Although it doesn't relate to ''Film/KillBill'', a more subtle break from reality in ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'' ''Inglourious Basterds'' would be Lt. Aldo Raine's apparent knowledge of the Holocaust, as shown when he refers to the Nazi high command (probably specifically, Hitler) as "mass-murderin' maniac." Would an American lieutenant in 1944 have known of the true extent of the Holocaust? Later, Sgt. Donowitz asks the German sergeant whether he received a particular medal for killing Jews.



* An AlternateHistory where Japan remains a dictatorship fiercely devoted to honor? [[Literature/BattleRoyale This sounds familiar.]] Could this make ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'', ''Film/KillBill'', and ''Literature/BattleRoyale'' part of the same canon?

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* An AlternateHistory where Japan remains a dictatorship fiercely devoted to honor? [[Literature/BattleRoyale This sounds familiar.]] Could this make ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'', ''Inglourious Basterds'', ''Film/KillBill'', and ''Literature/BattleRoyale'' part of the same canon?



* Donny Donowitz's son is Lee Donowitz of ''TrueRomance'', who made a war film called ''Coming Home in a Body Bag''.
* (Blinks) Are you kidding me? This is Quintin [[{{precision F strike}} fucking]] Tarrantino we're talking about, EVERYTHING that [[{{Sir Swears a Lot}} fucker]] makes is supposed to be in the same [[{{cluster F bomb}} universe.]]
* Incidentally, there's a theory on the KillBill page stating Bill and Budd were taken on as new members of the Basterds [[spoiler: to replace the losses in this mission]].

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* Donny Donowitz's son is Lee Donowitz of ''TrueRomance'', ''Film/TrueRomance'', who made a war film called ''Coming Home in a Body Bag''.
* (Blinks) Are you kidding me? This is Quintin Quentin [[{{precision F strike}} fucking]] Tarrantino we're talking about, EVERYTHING that [[{{Sir Swears a Lot}} fucker]] makes is supposed to be in the same [[{{cluster F bomb}} universe.]]
* Incidentally, there's a theory on the KillBill ''Kill Bill'' page stating Bill and Budd were taken on as new members of the Basterds [[spoiler: to replace the losses in this mission]].



The Soviet Union and American forces join up in Berlin, and so the the US can devote more forces to the Pacific theater. The Yalta Conference happens earlier, but the US doesn't make as many concessions to the Soviet Union concerning Japan, and so the balance of the ColdWar is tilted in the US's favor.

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The Soviet Union and American forces join up in Berlin, and so the the US can devote more forces to the Pacific theater. The Yalta Conference happens earlier, but the US doesn't make as many concessions to the Soviet Union concerning Japan, and so the balance of the ColdWar UsefulNotes/ColdWar is tilted in the US's favor.



[[WMG: Lt. Aldo Raine is actually [[LegendsOfTheFall Tristan Ludlow.]]]]

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[[WMG: Lt. Aldo Raine is actually [[LegendsOfTheFall [[Film/LegendsOfTheFall Tristan Ludlow.]]]]



[[WMG: The film takes place in the same universe as WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory]]

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[[WMG: The film takes place in the same universe as WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory]]''Film/WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory'']]



[[WMG: Aldo Raine and [[KillBill Beatrix Kiddo]] are somehow related.]]

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[[WMG: Aldo Raine and [[KillBill [[Film/KillBill Beatrix Kiddo]] are somehow related.]]



* Probably by injection, a la SherlockHolmes, perhaps even to emulate him. He wouldn't be the only high-ranking drug user in the Nazi Party, and his status as a functioning addict would indicate it's not interfering with his work performance or acuity of mind.

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* Probably by injection, a la SherlockHolmes, Franchise/SherlockHolmes, perhaps even to emulate him. He wouldn't be the only high-ranking drug user in the Nazi Party, and his status as a functioning addict would indicate it's not interfering with his work performance or acuity of mind.



[[WMG: Eli Roth and Omar Doom's characters in Death Proof are the grandsons of Donny and Omar.]]

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[[WMG: Eli Roth and Omar Doom's characters in ''[[Film/{{Grindhouse}} Death Proof Proof]]'' are the grandsons of Donny and Omar.]]
25th Aug '13 9:22:29 PM carrizi
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* They're also both blonde, attractive, EXTREMELY competent ass-kickers who can take a bullet (or a knife to the throat, or a lynching, or whatever the hell happened to Raine) and live to tell the tale. Maybe survival and badassery are in their blood.
3rd Jun '13 10:30:52 AM TVRulezAgain
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**** The screenplay makes his reason for ogling them pretty clear -- in the original draft, LaPadite's wife is present as well, and it's her Landa is making eyes at, kissing her hand before innocently commenting that he's followed by three soldiers, much like LaPadite's accompanied by his three beautiful daughters... [[ShameIfSomethingHappened shame if something]] ''[[CompleteMonster happened]]'' [[RapeAsDrama to them.]] Regardless of his sexual orientation, he's a real bastard.

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**** The screenplay makes his reason for ogling them pretty clear -- in the original draft, LaPadite's wife is present as well, and it's her Landa is making eyes at, kissing her hand before innocently commenting that he's followed by three soldiers, much like LaPadite's accompanied by his three beautiful daughters... [[ShameIfSomethingHappened shame {{shame if something]] ''[[CompleteMonster happened]]'' something happened}} [[RapeAsDrama to them.]] Regardless of his sexual orientation, he's a real bastard.
5th May '13 2:09:40 AM Scaramouche
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** Michael Bacall, who played one of the lesser-known Basterds (Zimmerman, to be precise), also played a character in Death Proof. Perhaps the same could be said for his character.
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