History WMG / HouseOfLeaves

3rd Feb '16 10:07:03 PM rtan
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** Alternatively, Pelafina made the whole thing up. The house is her own expansive yet deteriorating mind. Navidson represents her efforts to understand what is happening to her. Zampano, her effort to make sense of this attempt at understanding. All presented to Johnny, her darling child that she killed as an infant. Only Pelafina is real. ABCDEFGH''I(Pelafina)johnnyZ(ampano).''
8th Oct '15 3:59:13 PM nombretomado
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A house that has an endless basement? Monsters living in the walls? Obviously Johnny is JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac.
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A house that has an endless basement? Monsters living in the walls? Obviously Johnny is JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac. ComicBook/JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac.
26th Jul '15 12:35:06 PM StFan
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** Actually, this is supported by the fact that the first Slenderblog, JustAnotherFool, had its protagonist live on Ash Tree Lane.
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** Actually, this is supported by the fact that the first Slenderblog, JustAnotherFool, ''Blog/JustAnotherFool'', had its protagonist live on Ash Tree Lane.
9th Jul '15 10:53:40 AM Patch444
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* Nidhogg is also known as the infamous "carrion-remover" or corpse-eater of Helheim, the Norse land of the dead. It devours the corpses of the damned, which parallels how the "creature" consumed Holloway. This would also explain the "something" that Holloway believed the "beast" was waiting for as well as why it waited so long to strike. As a corpse-eater, Nidhogg would have no business devouring Holloway while he was alive. So it waited. Stalked him. Taunted him. Until he punched his ticket and was ready to be consumed. ** Also, Nidhogg's purpose in eating the corpses of the dead served as a janitorial duty of sorts, kind of like a maid, which one of the people who gave his two cents on the Nadvison Record described the monster of the house as.
24th May '15 4:08:12 PM nombretomado
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The last part, "who not only found themselves in those strangely arranged pages but also discovered a way back into the lives of their estranged children," is exactly like what happens to Will Navidson in his final journey into the house - he brings along a copy of a book called ''HouseOfLeaves'' and burns it as he reads it. He then gets out of the house for the last time after having completely burned the book.
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The last part, "who not only found themselves in those strangely arranged pages but also discovered a way back into the lives of their estranged children," is exactly like what happens to Will Navidson in his final journey into the house - he brings along a copy of a book called ''HouseOfLeaves'' ''Literature/HouseOfLeaves'' and burns it as he reads it. He then gets out of the house for the last time after having completely burned the book.

* WikiWord: Turns blue to link to another place, making each page of TVTropes effectively BiggerOnTheInside. The [[HouseOfLeaves House]]: Typed in blue in the book as the first indication that the [[HouseOfLeaves House]] is like a WikiWord, linking to another place, and BiggerOnTheInside.
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* WikiWord: Turns blue to link to another place, making each page of TVTropes effectively BiggerOnTheInside. The [[HouseOfLeaves [[Literature/HouseOfLeaves House]]: Typed in blue in the book as the first indication that the [[HouseOfLeaves [[Literature/HouseOfLeaves House]] is like a WikiWord, linking to another place, and BiggerOnTheInside.

[[WMG: ''Series/{{House}}'' shares a universe with ''HouseOfLeaves'', and Dr. Gregory House comes from that house.]]
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[[WMG: ''Series/{{House}}'' shares a universe with ''HouseOfLeaves'', ''Literature/HouseOfLeaves'', and Dr. Gregory House comes from that house.]]
16th May '15 7:28:29 AM rainyjay
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16th May '15 7:28:28 AM rainyjay
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** Johny shows behavior like this when he gives all of Lude's dates messed up back stories, and when he tries to convince himself that he had a happy ending. Obviously, making up stories is normal for him.
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** Johny Johnny shows behavior like this when he gives all of Lude's dates messed up back stories, and when he tries to convince himself that he had a happy ending. Obviously, making up stories is normal for him.

I don't mean nothing in the traditional sense. I mean he was being attacked my absence itself. Much like Holloway and the Navidson family. The panic attacks (like the "don't look behind you" one or the one in his apartment) weren't just figments of his imagination. It was nothing assaulting him, it just manifested itself as, well, nothing. He felt it attacking him, he knew all the terrible things that could happen, and he saw it all in his mind but in reality there wasn't anything there because the attacker was "nothing."
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I don't mean nothing in the traditional sense. I mean he was being attacked my by absence itself. Much like Holloway and the Navidson family. The panic attacks (like the "don't look behind you" one or the one in his apartment) weren't just figments of his imagination. It was nothing assaulting him, it just manifested itself as, well, nothing. He felt it attacking him, he knew all the terrible things that could happen, and he saw it all in his mind but in reality there wasn't anything there because the attacker was "nothing."

This would explain the dreamlike bizarreness of the house, as well as the special attention to that particular word.
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This would explain the dreamlike bizarreness bizarre nature of the house, as well as the special attention to that particular word.

The Navidson family went to our universe using the house because they wanted to distance themselves from thier experiences in the house. They took on false names and seperated from eachother to hide from the house. Will became Zampano, Karen became Pelafina, and Chad became Johnny. Zampano raised Daisy and Pelafina raised Johnny (who both forgot about the house). To further hide from the house, Pelafina married Johnny's "father" and they both only communicated to each other through hidden messages. Unfortunately for Zampano, that wasn't enough.
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The Navidson family went to our universe using the house because they wanted to distance themselves from thier experiences in the house. They took on false names and seperated separated from eachother each other to hide from the house. Will became Zampano, Karen became Pelafina, and Chad became Johnny. Zampano raised Daisy and Pelafina raised Johnny (who both forgot about the house). To further hide from the house, Pelafina married Johnny's "father" and they both only communicated to each other through hidden messages. Unfortunately for Zampano, that wasn't enough.

[[WMG:This book is realated to, stay with me, ''WiiFit'']]
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[[WMG:This book is realated related to, stay with me, ''WiiFit'']]

* I agree with your explanation, exspecially since the house is on Ash Tree lane. (The walls are described as ash-like, in theory the labyrinth is the yggdrasil tree, ie "Ash Tree.") It should be noted that in early sources, the Yggdrasil was an Ash tree specifically.
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* I agree with your explanation, exspecially especially since the house is on Ash Tree lane. (The walls are described as ash-like, in theory the labyrinth is the yggdrasil tree, ie i.e. "Ash Tree.") It should be noted that in early sources, the Yggdrasil was an Ash tree specifically.

One of the footnotes in the book refers to the Universe pre-big bang as a place of infinite Destiny. Johnny notes that this is probably a typo, and that Zampano meant to say "Density" but look at it this way. Johnny constantly mentions things that happen in the book, only they never actually happen. The Johnny that we are following doesn't go down these paths, yet he constantly sees his own death, or sees minor things changed from what they were. Because he can see into these infinite possibilites, he starts to GoMadFromTheRevelation. Zampano could also see into these infinite "what-ifs", and the house on Ash Tree Lane was the physical manifestation of infinite possibilities becoming known. The reason Johnny can see all of these possible futures is because he, himself was never meant to exist. He was the child in the Mother's Story. In that world, he died, but in another world, he lived, and from that branch, Johnny could see into every fragment of time. Branches. Trees. Yggdrassil. In another timeline, Johnny might have become the Minotaur, or Zampano, either trying to stop himself before his mind broke under the strain of omniscience, or to give the gift of omniscience to himself through the book.
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One of the footnotes in the book refers to the Universe pre-big bang as a place of infinite Destiny. Johnny notes that this is probably a typo, and that Zampano meant to say "Density" but look at it this way. Johnny constantly mentions things that happen in the book, only they never actually happen. The Johnny that we are following doesn't go down these paths, yet he constantly sees his own death, or sees minor things changed from what they were. Because he can see into these infinite possibilites, possibilities, he starts to GoMadFromTheRevelation. Zampano could also see into these infinite "what-ifs", and the house on Ash Tree Lane was the physical manifestation of infinite possibilities becoming known. The reason Johnny can see all of these possible futures is because he, himself was never meant to exist. He was the child in the Mother's Story. In that world, he died, but in another world, he lived, and from that branch, Johnny could see into every fragment of time. Branches. Trees. Yggdrassil. In another timeline, Johnny might have become the Minotaur, or Zampano, either trying to stop himself before his mind broke under the strain of omniscience, or to give the gift of omniscience to himself through the book.

[[WMG: There is a piece of the begining of the universe stuck under the earth below the house.]]
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[[WMG: There is a piece of the begining beginning of the universe stuck under the earth below the house.]]

And/Or Johnny is a Cult of Ecstasy mage captured by Nephandi, and the entire book is his stream-of-conciousness experience inside a Nephandic caul, which is the Labyrinth, which is an Umbral sub-realm accessed through a house.
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And/Or Johnny is a Cult of Ecstasy mage captured by Nephandi, and the entire book is his stream-of-conciousness stream-of-consciousness experience inside a Nephandic caul, which is the Labyrinth, which is an Umbral sub-realm accessed through a house.

and the whole story where Johnny goes to Ashley's house is made-up. He thinks that Thumper hasn't called him back because she said her name was Ashely on the phone, Thumper laughs when he tells her about Ashley because she is her, and also his mother had the same problem with him.
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and the whole story where Johnny goes to Ashley's house is made-up. He thinks that Thumper hasn't called him back because she said her name was Ashely Ashley on the phone, Thumper laughs when he tells her about Ashley because she is her, and also his mother had the same problem with him.

Nevermind all the conections to Borges work, Zampanò is a blind old man writting a MindScrew book, using references that doesn't exist, about a fictional movie.
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Nevermind Never mind all the conections conenctions to Borges work, Zampanò is a blind old man writting writing a MindScrew book, using references that doesn't exist, about a fictional movie.

In a very literal sense, this is a book about nothing. By that, I don't mean that it's incomprehensible, but rather, that it's about the Heideggerian concept of nothingess. The House is a place where, for some reason, temporal and spatial deformities can lead a person physically into a realm outside of the Universe. That realm is less "outside", though, then it is just ''not''. The chief distinction between it and the normal world is that the normal world is alienated from it and set in opposition to it. It's enormous, vast, ever changing, and becoming lost there results in the eventual loss of self when the nothingness around you starts to close in and you become alienated from yourself. That state of not-being is the Minotaur, and is why the word is crossed out several times when it appears.
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In a very literal sense, this is a book about nothing. By that, I don't mean that it's incomprehensible, but rather, that it's about the Heideggerian concept of nothingess.nothingness. The House is a place where, for some reason, temporal and spatial deformities can lead a person physically into a realm outside of the Universe. That realm is less "outside", though, then it is just ''not''. The chief distinction between it and the normal world is that the normal world is alienated from it and set in opposition to it. It's enormous, vast, ever changing, and becoming lost there results in the eventual loss of self when the nothingness around you starts to close in and you become alienated from yourself. That state of not-being is the Minotaur, and is why the word is crossed out several times when it appears.

[[WMG: The Navidsons are real, but we are ficticious.]] Each layer outward becomes more ficticious.
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[[WMG: The Navidsons are real, but we are ficticious.fictitious.]] Each layer outward becomes more ficticious. fictitious.

Around this: a semi-scholarly film review by an eccentric who gets some key points wrong, such as forgetting about teminal velocity.
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Around this: a semi-scholarly film review by an eccentric who gets some key points wrong, such as forgetting about teminal terminal velocity.

Each layer deeper into fiction we get, the less evidence remains of the Navidson's existance. We are the fiction within the fiction within the fiction within the fiction within the Navidson's reality.
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Each layer deeper into fiction we get, the less evidence remains of the Navidson's existance. Navidsons' existence. We are the fiction within the fiction within the fiction within the fiction within the Navidson's Navidsons' reality.
22nd Feb '15 5:13:08 PM nombretomado
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* [[SarcasmMode Thanks a lot, bub.]] [[{{Gorillaz}} Some of us will never]] [[ParanoiaFuel sleep]] [[{{Gorillaz}} again...]] * Since when did [[{{Gorillaz}} you guys]] read anything?
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* [[SarcasmMode Thanks a lot, bub.]] [[{{Gorillaz}} [[{{Music/Gorillaz}} Some of us will never]] [[ParanoiaFuel sleep]] [[{{Gorillaz}} [[{{Music/Gorillaz}} again...]] * Since when did [[{{Gorillaz}} [[{{Music/Gorillaz}} you guys]] read anything?
12th Jan '15 7:04:56 PM teridactyl
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added some insight to Yggdrasil
If the house is [[WorldTree Yggdrasil]], then the creature inside it can only be Nidhogg, the giant dragon that gnaws on the roots of the tree in order to bring it, and the universe down. Thus, we should probably start writing this as Nidhogg
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If the house is [[WorldTree Yggdrasil]], then the creature inside it can only be Nidhogg, the giant dragon that gnaws on the roots of the tree in order to bring it, and the universe down. Thus, we should probably start writing this as Nidhogg Nidhogg. * Not to mention that in graph theory, [[http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/061b3929ba0f3964d335 mazes are analogous to trees]]. The Yggdrasil is frequently portrayed with roots twisting like a maze. * It also should be mentioned that one proposed theory of the term "Yggdrasil" comes from "yggr" meaning "terror". So Yggdrasil would mean "tree of terror; gallows." ** The author probably intentionally included all these interpretations without really meaning to settle on one in particular.
12th Jan '15 3:54:13 PM teridactyl
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-> "MZD: Basically, it was just an outpouring—a means of articulating this torrent of conflicting emotions I was feeling about my father. My sister met me when I finally reached Los Angeles, and we went home and looked after my father until his cancer went into remission. At that point I presented him with my story—as a gift. His response was unbelievable, full of rage—outraged, I think, by the audacity that I had written something so passionate and so focused on him. And so he applied all his years of intellectual edge and shredded me, going on to describe how useless art was, demanding why I didn’t just go get a job at the post office! Well, I probably should have expected his reaction, but I was just devastated. My first response afterwards was to attempt to eliminate myself from this equation. I was an affront to my father’s will and my father’s place in the universe, and so rather than challenge that will and that place, I would sacrifice myself. And I did exactly that; the closest thing to suicide I can think of— I tore up the manuscript of "Redwood” into hundreds of pieces, flung them into a dumpster in the alley, and spent the next few days in a kind of emotional coma... Then my sister did something that still chokes me up when I think about it: she presented me with a manila folder in which I discovered 'Redwood'—intact. She had gathered up and taped together all the pieces. This rescue of what I had impulsively destroyed allowed me to see that I could keep writing. It was like a Greek goddess coming down to breathe fire again into my lungs, saying in an awful whisper “Go now, go get Hector.” A life changing moment. I doubt I would have continued to write had she not rescued me that night." [[http://www.nomadism.org/pdf/mzdinter.pdf Transcribed interview, pg 7 - 8]]
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