History WMG / HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct

12th Nov '16 6:05:00 PM nombretomado
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3. JosefStalin. Seriously, this guy was pretty horrible (or worse) in his own little ways. Sure, Hitler was a monster, but he was a monster who gave certain groups special privileges, retained private enterprise in many areas of industry (he was a socialist in name only) and did save Germany from becoming [[RidiculousExchangeRates Europe's Zimbabwe]], turning the country into an economic powerhouse fortress that can challenge the Soviet Union's ZergRush (And despite losing the war, Germany did give us one hell of a fight, and it still had enough value and infrastructure for the Allies to use as an economic powerhouse and wall against the Communists). On the other hand Communism did away with that by abolishing all the nobility, bourgeois, private enterprise and any incentives to make high-quality products. Under Hitler, Germans lived a life of high standards BreadAndCircuses (no rationing in UsefulNotes/NaziGermany until Stalingrad) while everyone else suffered. Under Stalin, all men are equal in suffering, [[CrapsackWorld no exceptions (except Stalin only, of course)]]. During TheGreatDepression Communism was getting popular throughout the entire world, and if it weren't for a war with Germany weakening the nation, I'm sure that while America is distracted by issues with Japan, Stalin would've taken much more than just half of Europe, maybe getting his hands on the Atomic Bomb first, or turning Eurasia and even the entire world into Real-Life Literature/NineteenEightyFour that is such much of a FateWorseThanDeath it will make a [[StupidJetpackHitler Nazi-ruled future]] look like a fun utopian liberal paradise in comparison. Now with more famines for everyone under Comrade Stalin! Yes, [[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert I know where I got this one]].

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3. JosefStalin.UsefulNotes/JosefStalin. Seriously, this guy was pretty horrible (or worse) in his own little ways. Sure, Hitler was a monster, but he was a monster who gave certain groups special privileges, retained private enterprise in many areas of industry (he was a socialist in name only) and did save Germany from becoming [[RidiculousExchangeRates Europe's Zimbabwe]], turning the country into an economic powerhouse fortress that can challenge the Soviet Union's ZergRush (And despite losing the war, Germany did give us one hell of a fight, and it still had enough value and infrastructure for the Allies to use as an economic powerhouse and wall against the Communists). On the other hand Communism did away with that by abolishing all the nobility, bourgeois, private enterprise and any incentives to make high-quality products. Under Hitler, Germans lived a life of high standards BreadAndCircuses (no rationing in UsefulNotes/NaziGermany until Stalingrad) while everyone else suffered. Under Stalin, all men are equal in suffering, [[CrapsackWorld no exceptions (except Stalin only, of course)]]. During TheGreatDepression Communism was getting popular throughout the entire world, and if it weren't for a war with Germany weakening the nation, I'm sure that while America is distracted by issues with Japan, Stalin would've taken much more than just half of Europe, maybe getting his hands on the Atomic Bomb first, or turning Eurasia and even the entire world into Real-Life Literature/NineteenEightyFour that is such much of a FateWorseThanDeath it will make a [[StupidJetpackHitler Nazi-ruled future]] look like a fun utopian liberal paradise in comparison. Now with more famines for everyone under Comrade Stalin! Yes, [[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert I know where I got this one]].
14th Oct '16 7:55:06 AM onetimo
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The whole 'genocide and war' thing was just an unfortunate coincidence.

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The whole 'genocide and war' thing was just an unfortunate coincidence.coincidence.
[[WMG: time fixes itself]]
If you go back into time, you create a tangential timeline, separate from the original. Hitler died before he came into power, but not in our timeline. The catch is that artifacts originating from alternate timelines tend to want to go back to the original timeline. This includes people. if a time traveler decides to time jump to fix another event, they will end up in the future of their original timeline. going back and repeating the event again will still put off the alternate, but only people who take the long way back will experience the new timeline. Time manipulations of the past in general are exempted.
15th May '16 3:51:16 AM Morgenthaler
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3. JosefStalin. Seriously, this guy was pretty horrible (or worse) in his own little ways. Sure, Hitler was a monster, but he was a monster who gave certain groups special privileges, retained private enterprise in many areas of industry (he was a socialist in name only) and did save Germany from becoming [[RidiculousExchangeRates Europe's Zimbabwe]], turning the country into an economic powerhouse fortress that can challenge the Soviet Union's ZergRush (And despite losing the war, Germany did give us one hell of a fight, and it still had enough value and infrastructure for the Allies to use as an economic powerhouse and wall against the Communists). On the other hand Communism did away with that by abolishing all the nobility, bourgeois, private enterprise and any incentives to make high-quality products. Under Hitler, Germans lived a life of high standards BreadAndCircuses (no rationing in UsefulNotes/NaziGermany until Stalingrad) while everyone else suffered. Under Stalin, all men are equal in suffering, [[CrapsackWorld no exceptions (except Stalin only, of course)]]. During TheGreatDepression Communism was getting popular throughout the entire world, and if it weren't for a war with Germany weakening the nation, I'm sure that while America is distracted by issues with Japan, Stalin would've taken much more than just half of Europe, maybe getting his hands on the Atomic Bomb first, or turning Eurasia and even the entire world into Real-Life Literature/NineteenEightyFour that is such much of a FateWorseThanDeath it will make a [[StupidJetpackHitler Nazi-ruled future]] look like a fun utopian liberal paradise in comparison. Now with more famines for everyone under Comrade Stalin! Yes, [[CommandAndConquerRedAlert I know where I got this one]].

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3. JosefStalin. Seriously, this guy was pretty horrible (or worse) in his own little ways. Sure, Hitler was a monster, but he was a monster who gave certain groups special privileges, retained private enterprise in many areas of industry (he was a socialist in name only) and did save Germany from becoming [[RidiculousExchangeRates Europe's Zimbabwe]], turning the country into an economic powerhouse fortress that can challenge the Soviet Union's ZergRush (And despite losing the war, Germany did give us one hell of a fight, and it still had enough value and infrastructure for the Allies to use as an economic powerhouse and wall against the Communists). On the other hand Communism did away with that by abolishing all the nobility, bourgeois, private enterprise and any incentives to make high-quality products. Under Hitler, Germans lived a life of high standards BreadAndCircuses (no rationing in UsefulNotes/NaziGermany until Stalingrad) while everyone else suffered. Under Stalin, all men are equal in suffering, [[CrapsackWorld no exceptions (except Stalin only, of course)]]. During TheGreatDepression Communism was getting popular throughout the entire world, and if it weren't for a war with Germany weakening the nation, I'm sure that while America is distracted by issues with Japan, Stalin would've taken much more than just half of Europe, maybe getting his hands on the Atomic Bomb first, or turning Eurasia and even the entire world into Real-Life Literature/NineteenEightyFour that is such much of a FateWorseThanDeath it will make a [[StupidJetpackHitler Nazi-ruled future]] look like a fun utopian liberal paradise in comparison. Now with more famines for everyone under Comrade Stalin! Yes, [[CommandAndConquerRedAlert [[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert I know where I got this one]].
27th Mar '15 2:27:59 AM jormis29
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** The Spear of Destiny was a Jewish tool, used to kill a Jewish man. Of course it would screw him over.

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** The Spear of Destiny TheSpearOfDestiny was a Jewish tool, used to kill a Jewish man. Of course it would screw him over.
5th Mar '15 3:30:42 PM LongLiveHumour
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[[WMG: Someone DID travel back in time, and ensured that WorldWarTwo ended (in Europe) as early as May 8th, 1945.]]

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[[WMG: Someone DID travel back in time, and ensured that WorldWarTwo UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo ended (in Europe) as early as May 8th, 1945.]]



** 3. Stalin's Russia was a military joke- Stalin thought calvary was still relevant on the battlefield, and his Commisar for Artillery once mocked the idea that they would ever ''need artillery''. Their air force was almost non-existent, and Stalin had regularly purged his officer corps which even Hitler thought was insane and left their military crippled. Stalin preferred politics, subterfuge and {{Manipulative Bastard}}ry to get what he wanted and only resorted to military options when he was forced to or was assured of victory (or ''thought'' he was assured of victory). Both Germany and Russia invaded Poland in 1939, but Germany had a much easier time of it despite invading first, and Soviet Russia had a very poor track record when it came to winning wars. Stalin didn't want to start a war; he wanted the rest of Europe to fight each other for him, which is why he ''wanted'' Hitler in power in the first place- though Nazi Germany proved to be far more dangerous than he imagined and nearly cost him everything. And Soviet Russia did make high quality products although defeating Nazi Germany (and the USA later in the ColdWar) was its incentive: see also efficient Soviet weapons like the T-34.

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** 3. Stalin's Russia was a military joke- Stalin thought calvary was still relevant on the battlefield, and his Commisar for Artillery once mocked the idea that they would ever ''need artillery''. Their air force was almost non-existent, and Stalin had regularly purged his officer corps which even Hitler thought was insane and left their military crippled. Stalin preferred politics, subterfuge and {{Manipulative Bastard}}ry to get what he wanted and only resorted to military options when he was forced to or was assured of victory (or ''thought'' he was assured of victory). Both Germany and Russia invaded Poland in 1939, but Germany had a much easier time of it despite invading first, and Soviet Russia had a very poor track record when it came to winning wars. Stalin didn't want to start a war; he wanted the rest of Europe to fight each other for him, which is why he ''wanted'' Hitler in power in the first place- though Nazi Germany proved to be far more dangerous than he imagined and nearly cost him everything. And Soviet Russia did make high quality products although defeating Nazi Germany (and the USA later in the ColdWar) UsefulNotes/ColdWar) was its incentive: see also efficient Soviet weapons like the T-34.
30th Aug '14 9:11:44 PM inquisitor
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Adolf Hitler, after all, did not ''create'' the idea that the Jews were responsible for everything wrong with the human race. He had unique reasons for believing such (he thought they had created the "lie" of the brotherhood of men, that they had created peace and love, etc.). But Europeans had been believing Jews were evil for over a thousand years. Heck, they used to take it for granted that "the Jews killed Jesus Christ." Even in Grimm's Fairy Tales the Jews are portrayed as cheats and liars. Shakespeare's sympathetic Jew Shylock is portrayed as something of a jerk who suffers a HumiliationConga and Shylock is ''still'' one of the most sympathetic Jewish portrayals of that era. And of course, there were lots of "pogroms" out there specifically to either kill Jews or at least exile them, such as in Russia and Hungary for example. What is all this adding up to, you ask? Basically, Adolf Hitler showed the world where anti-Semitism would ''really lead''. Hitler's idea to exterminate the Jews, after all, was the logical outcome of a belief system portraying Jews as eternal traitors to Christ. Hitler exists to be a "wake-up call", and ''that'' is why attempting to kill him would mess up the timeline: if you succeeded, Hitler doesn't exterminate the Jews in a central program...instead, the millions and millions of Christian ''civilians'' eventually try to kill the Jews ''instead''. Why? Because they never had Hitler's "negative example" to learn from and thus never learned the real consequences of scapegoating a whole race. Hitler ''needs'' to exist in history as the "inevitable outcome" of scapegoating, attempted genocide, in order to make anti-Semitism "uncool" and "no longer acceptable".

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Adolf Hitler, after all, did not ''create'' the idea that the Jews were responsible for everything wrong with the human race. He had unique reasons for believing such (he thought they had created the "lie" of the brotherhood of men, that they had created peace and love, etc.). But Europeans had been believing Jews were evil for over a thousand years. Heck, they used to take it for granted that "the Jews killed Jesus Christ." Even in Grimm's Fairy Tales the Jews are portrayed as cheats and liars. Shakespeare's sympathetic Jew Shylock is portrayed as something of a jerk who suffers a HumiliationConga and Shylock is ''still'' one of the most sympathetic Jewish portrayals of that era. And of course, there were lots of "pogroms" out there specifically to either kill Jews or at least exile them, such as in Russia and Hungary for example. What is all this adding up to, you ask? Basically, Adolf Hitler showed the world where anti-Semitism would ''really lead''. Hitler's idea to exterminate the Jews, after all, was the logical outcome of a belief system portraying Jews as eternal traitors to Christ. Hitler exists to be a "wake-up call", and ''that'' is why attempting to kill him would mess up the timeline: if you succeeded, Hitler doesn't exterminate the Jews in a central program...instead, the millions and millions of Christian ''civilians'' eventually try to kill the Jews ''instead''. Why? Because they never had Hitler's "negative example" to learn from and thus never learned the real consequences of scapegoating a whole race. Hitler ''needs'' to exist in history as the "inevitable outcome" of scapegoating, attempted genocide, in order to make anti-Semitism "uncool" and "no longer acceptable".acceptable".
[[WMG: Because Hitler is exempt from time travel shenanigans, this ensures that all time travel prior to WW2 does not affect the timeline.]]
The whole 'genocide and war' thing was just an unfortunate coincidence.
12th Apr '14 3:00:25 AM LongLiveHumour
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3. JosefStalin. Seriously, this guy was pretty horrible (or worse) in his own little ways. Sure, Hitler was a monster, but he was a monster who gave certain groups special privileges, retained private enterprise in many areas of industry (he was a socialist in name only) and did save Germany from becoming [[RidiculousExchangeRates Europe's Zimbabwe]], turning the country into an economic powerhouse fortress that can challenge the Soviet Union's ZergRush (And despite losing the war, Germany did give us one hell of a fight, and it still had enough value and infrastructure for the Allies to use as an economic powerhouse and wall against the Communists). On the other hand Communism did away with that by abolishing all the nobility, bourgeois, private enterprise and any incentives to make high-quality products. Under Hitler, Germans lived a life of high standards BreadAndCircuses (no rationing in NaziGermany until Stalingrad) while everyone else suffered. Under Stalin, all men are equal in suffering, [[CrapsackWorld no exceptions (except Stalin only, of course)]]. During TheGreatDepression Communism was getting popular throughout the entire world, and if it weren't for a war with Germany weakening the nation, I'm sure that while America is distracted by issues with Japan, Stalin would've taken much more than just half of Europe, maybe getting his hands on the Atomic Bomb first, or turning Eurasia and even the entire world into Real-Life Literature/NineteenEightyFour that is such much of a FateWorseThanDeath it will make a [[StupidJetpackHitler Nazi-ruled future]] look like a fun utopian liberal paradise in comparison. Now with more famines for everyone under Comrade Stalin! Yes, [[CommandAndConquerRedAlert I know where I got this one]].

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3. JosefStalin. Seriously, this guy was pretty horrible (or worse) in his own little ways. Sure, Hitler was a monster, but he was a monster who gave certain groups special privileges, retained private enterprise in many areas of industry (he was a socialist in name only) and did save Germany from becoming [[RidiculousExchangeRates Europe's Zimbabwe]], turning the country into an economic powerhouse fortress that can challenge the Soviet Union's ZergRush (And despite losing the war, Germany did give us one hell of a fight, and it still had enough value and infrastructure for the Allies to use as an economic powerhouse and wall against the Communists). On the other hand Communism did away with that by abolishing all the nobility, bourgeois, private enterprise and any incentives to make high-quality products. Under Hitler, Germans lived a life of high standards BreadAndCircuses (no rationing in NaziGermany UsefulNotes/NaziGermany until Stalingrad) while everyone else suffered. Under Stalin, all men are equal in suffering, [[CrapsackWorld no exceptions (except Stalin only, of course)]]. During TheGreatDepression Communism was getting popular throughout the entire world, and if it weren't for a war with Germany weakening the nation, I'm sure that while America is distracted by issues with Japan, Stalin would've taken much more than just half of Europe, maybe getting his hands on the Atomic Bomb first, or turning Eurasia and even the entire world into Real-Life Literature/NineteenEightyFour that is such much of a FateWorseThanDeath it will make a [[StupidJetpackHitler Nazi-ruled future]] look like a fun utopian liberal paradise in comparison. Now with more famines for everyone under Comrade Stalin! Yes, [[CommandAndConquerRedAlert I know where I got this one]].



Remember: the last 200 years have been some of the most diverse. The war is centred around this time because it was the last 200 years that brought forth this current age in technology and social life-style. It's full of various parties: average joes wanting to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong(in their eyes), Neo-Nazis trying to cause Britain to fall [[StupidJetpackHitler and help their führer]], people loyal to the Soviet Union trying to use Stalin to ensure it remains, the TimePolice trying to defeat these people, and assholes trying to help the world's terrible tyrants [[CardCarryingVillain because evil helps evil]] [[ForTheEvulz ensure the victory of evil and destruction of good!]] And of course [[NikolaTesla Tesla]], can't forget Tesla. All these parties are, ironically, always trying to stop the other changing history in their favour, prevent too much change. Who knows, given time travel, [[StableTimeLoop if the sheer chaos of this war attributed to the factors that led up to World War I and II in the first place?]]

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Remember: the last 200 years have been some of the most diverse. The war is centred around this time because it was the last 200 years that brought forth this current age in technology and social life-style. It's full of various parties: average joes wanting to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong(in their eyes), Neo-Nazis trying to cause Britain to fall [[StupidJetpackHitler and help their führer]], people loyal to the Soviet Union trying to use Stalin to ensure it remains, the TimePolice trying to defeat these people, and assholes trying to help the world's terrible tyrants [[CardCarryingVillain because evil helps evil]] [[ForTheEvulz ensure the victory of evil and destruction of good!]] And of course [[NikolaTesla [[UsefulNotes/NikolaTesla Tesla]], can't forget Tesla. All these parties are, ironically, always trying to stop the other changing history in their favour, prevent too much change. Who knows, given time travel, [[StableTimeLoop if the sheer chaos of this war attributed to the factors that led up to World War I and II in the first place?]]



Originally, World War I did not result in the Treaty of Versailles(or plain didn't happen), and the Nazi party was just some fringe political party. Decades, centuries even [[TimeAbyss millennia]] pass until time travel is invented, and the Nazi party is still completely obscure. They then use time travel to find a way of letting them rise to political power; first by changing the results(or causing) WorldWarI so that Germany ends up paying big. Next, get someone as a figurehead-[[AdolfHitler the ranting, embittered Austrian veteran should work.]] The reason why they didn't just [[StupidJetpackHitler use their super-advanced technology]] to ensure victory was that the TimePolice got to them, destroyed their technology and the survivors were stuck there. Any attempt to assassinate Hitler(or any other major Nazi official) between 1923 and 1945 fails because the time-travelling Nazis are GenreSavvy to counter this-shooting anyone who manages to be too good at getting close to Hitler(as they're probably time travellers). The attempts between 1889 and 1923 fail because of the Temporal War, moral complications, butterfly effect and being plain difficult to find Hitler before then.

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Originally, World War I did not result in the Treaty of Versailles(or plain didn't happen), and the Nazi party was just some fringe political party. Decades, centuries even [[TimeAbyss millennia]] pass until time travel is invented, and the Nazi party is still completely obscure. They then use time travel to find a way of letting them rise to political power; first by changing the results(or causing) WorldWarI UsefulNotes/WorldWarI so that Germany ends up paying big. Next, get someone as a figurehead-[[AdolfHitler figurehead-[[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler the ranting, embittered Austrian veteran should work.]] The reason why they didn't just [[StupidJetpackHitler use their super-advanced technology]] to ensure victory was that the TimePolice got to them, destroyed their technology and the survivors were stuck there. Any attempt to assassinate Hitler(or any other major Nazi official) between 1923 and 1945 fails because the time-travelling Nazis are GenreSavvy to counter this-shooting anyone who manages to be too good at getting close to Hitler(as they're probably time travellers). The attempts between 1889 and 1923 fail because of the Temporal War, moral complications, butterfly effect and being plain difficult to find Hitler before then.
26th Jan '14 9:36:51 AM Discar
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[[WMG: Hitler is {{Haruhi Suzumiya}}]]

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[[WMG: Hitler is {{Haruhi Suzumiya}}]]LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya]]
26th Jan '14 9:34:52 AM Discar
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* So, is Hitler, being the centre of all existence, our Real Life equivalent of HaruhiSuzumiya?

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* So, is Hitler, being the centre of all existence, our Real Life equivalent of HaruhiSuzumiya?LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya?
13th Sep '13 11:12:53 AM MartialArtsMaster
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And HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct is its SadisticChoice-hence why everything seems to go bad when you try to kill Hitler. I'm assuming its because of all the time travel we do

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And HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct is its SadisticChoice-hence why everything seems to go bad when you try to kill Hitler. I'm assuming its because of all the time travel we dodo

[[WMG: As an alternative to an above WMG, instead of being necessary to make Nazism specifically look bad, Hitler is necessary to make anti-Semitism ''in general'' look bad.]]
Adolf Hitler, after all, did not ''create'' the idea that the Jews were responsible for everything wrong with the human race. He had unique reasons for believing such (he thought they had created the "lie" of the brotherhood of men, that they had created peace and love, etc.). But Europeans had been believing Jews were evil for over a thousand years. Heck, they used to take it for granted that "the Jews killed Jesus Christ." Even in Grimm's Fairy Tales the Jews are portrayed as cheats and liars. Shakespeare's sympathetic Jew Shylock is portrayed as something of a jerk who suffers a HumiliationConga and Shylock is ''still'' one of the most sympathetic Jewish portrayals of that era. And of course, there were lots of "pogroms" out there specifically to either kill Jews or at least exile them, such as in Russia and Hungary for example. What is all this adding up to, you ask? Basically, Adolf Hitler showed the world where anti-Semitism would ''really lead''. Hitler's idea to exterminate the Jews, after all, was the logical outcome of a belief system portraying Jews as eternal traitors to Christ. Hitler exists to be a "wake-up call", and ''that'' is why attempting to kill him would mess up the timeline: if you succeeded, Hitler doesn't exterminate the Jews in a central program...instead, the millions and millions of Christian ''civilians'' eventually try to kill the Jews ''instead''. Why? Because they never had Hitler's "negative example" to learn from and thus never learned the real consequences of scapegoating a whole race. Hitler ''needs'' to exist in history as the "inevitable outcome" of scapegoating, attempted genocide, in order to make anti-Semitism "uncool" and "no longer acceptable".
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