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19th May '11 2:58:16 PM Feinoha
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[[folder:WMG Haruhi Suzumiya]]

[[WMG:Haruhi likes AnythingThatMoves]]
well when she said that she liked aliens, i thought of non-humanoid aliens


[[WMG:Haruhi is [[TropeExampleLaws Haru]]...uh...wait...]]
...uh...I mean...something.

[[WMG:Haruhi, and all IDE's are just regular beings...]]
[[FineStructure ...From higher dimensional existences, Haruhi probably being greater than 100+10D]]

[[WMG:Haruhi shut away her powers to keep from going insane]]
After being Omnipotent for long enough, she ran out of things to do. Once she had all the power and could do anything, life lost it's purpose. This is probably what happened to AM in ''IHaveNoMouthAndIMustScream'', as well as a what a few characters in ''CodeGeass'' feared from their immortality. I also remember a few obscure sci-fi novels by Robert Metzger where bubble universes the size of our solar system with accelerated time are created. After about 500 years, someone takes control of the universe, does everything possible with it, and goes crazy trying to find a way out. She made her powers subconscious and rejoined the world so her life had purpose again.

[[WMG:Haruhi Godhood is dependent on her ignorance of it.]]
The moment she actually becomes aware of it, she'll lose all of it.

[[WMG:While Haruhi isn't actually God, her father is.]]
She can be seen reaching for his hand in the intro. He is also responsible for all three of the organizations looking after her, as his way of keeping tabs on her.
* Also according to Kyon one would have to be the Buddha or Jesus Christ to handle her powers, and he also makes it clear that he won't let anyone else have her powers.

[[WMG:Haruhi knows about her powers and everyone's identity.]]
The truth is that Haruhi likes the Main/{{Masquerade}} as much as any other trope. As such, she enjoys seeing them all scramble in an attempt to keep the "secret" from her.
* We know for a fact that Haruhi causes things to happen when she wants things to happen, but where do we get the idea that she doesn't know about this power? It is really just Itsuki's guess. The fact that no one can tell her about her powers for fear of what would happen if she knew, means that no one can ''ask her whether she knows about her powers.'' Our heroes hide the things she does from her so effectively that we never get a chance to see how surprised she would be if she discovered them.
** We know she doesn't know of her powers because, at the beginning of the story at least, she never mentions having powers. Considering she acted like the world revolved around her, the fact that she never reminded anyone that that was true meant she didn't know.
* Along with that, she pretends to not know about them; fearing that deliberately acting would cause either [[TheClimax a catastrophic epic of plot advancement]], or [[KyonBigDamnHero her losing most of her importance and power as the central character.]]

[[WMG:Haruhi's obliviousness of her abilities is a survival mechanism.]]
If everything a human being thought became true, it wouldn't take long (a few minutes if lucky) before one thinks oneself out of existence. Our neurology cannot process a negative. You can't ''not'' think of something without thinking of it first; like Main/TheGame. Example: Right now, try to ''not'' think about yourself vanishing forever. Of the infinite Main/AlternateUniverse where Haruhi is a RealityWarper, only the ones where Haruhi doesn't think about this exist by process of elimination.

[[WMG: Haruhi is the ''only'' person who wouldn't transform into AGodAmI]]
This is something I thought about some time ago. We all know that especially Haruhi would be dangerous if she knew about her powers. It is only natural for a human with godlike powers to become corrupted and use the universe as a playground for amusement and whatsoever. Now what if ''Haruhi'' is actually the one human who ''cannot be'' corrupted with godlike powers, at least not to the point of AGodAmI.

[[WMG:Everything in the show takes place inside Haruhi's head.]]
The revelation at the baseball game about exactly how far from being the center of the universe she is shattered her mind. She's living out a fantasy of Espers, time travelers, aliens, and handsome love interests, all constructed to put her right back where she thought she was: At the center of everything.
[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5185574/1/The_Anatomy_of_Melancholy Everything in the show takes place in Haruhi's writing]]

[[WMG:Haruhi has been told that Kyon has the same powers ''he'' was told ''she'' has.]]
The other three brigade members have been deceiving both of them. Tsuruya may or may not know this. It's possible that ''one and only one'' of them actually does have godlike powers, or that ''both'' do, or that ''neither'' does, and there's another cause for the madness, which may or may not be [[spoiler:Sasaki]].
* The responsible is Tsuruya, obviously. She ''must'' be hiding something.

[[WMG:Kyon's sister's name is actually "Imouto."]]
Haruhi calls her "Imouto-chan" in the island episode, and Mikuru later calls her "Imouto-san". Maybe it's not just a stand-in title, but her actual given name.
* Relatedly, Tsuruya's name is actually "San". No one ever uses a different honourific when they're talking about her, do they?
** Yes they do, Haruhi calls her "Tsuru-chan" at the latter's house in s2e23 when she suggest the drink spiking.
* Nope. In the English dub, she's just called 'little sister'.
** Don't think that really applies here.
* "Imouto" literally means "little sister." This appears to be the only name she is ever given; in fact, her Character Song album's title is "Kyon's Sister," while the others have their full names. (Except Kyon of course.)

[[WMG:Haruhi's powers are a result of an error in Earth's programming.]]
Due to a glitch in the system, Haruhi was accidentally granted administrator privileges over [[HitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy the program to find The Ultimate Question Of Life The Universe And Everything]]. The rest of the SOS Brigade's (and particularly Yuki's) jobs are to make sure the program turns out how it's supposed to. [[Main/EarthShatteringKaboom Won't they get a rude shock]]?
* She discovered both the question and the answer, destroying the Universe and recreating it to be even more weirder, three years ago.

[[WMG:Haruhi is Eris/Discordia...]]
The mad, trickster goddess of chaos in the Greek/Roman (respectively) pantheons. All the other characters therefore correspond to some other deities.
* More accurately, she is Eris of Discordian belief, rather than original Greek mythology. More benevolent (sort of) and explicitly the creator of the Universe, rather than just a minor deity. Makes you wonder if Aneris is going to show up, at some point (probably not, considering that she's effectively an incarnation of nonexistence).
** Not necessarily; just like Eris and chaos, Aneris and order have creative and destructive sides. That said, Kyon is Aneris, or at least her "creative order" aspect. Sort of an anti-Greyface figure, since Greyface was the perfect figure of destructive order. He's the perfect compliment to Haruhi's overwhelmingly creative chaos.
** Surely Sasaki is Aneris?
* At an offhand guess:
** Yuki = Athena/Minerva. Goddess of wisdom, innovation, and warfare, and quite likely the most level-headed Olympian. Fits with Yuki's nature, goals, and affinity for real-time strategy games (and magical girl powers).
** Mikuru = Hestia/Vesta. Goddess of the hearth and domesticity (Mikuru does enjoy her maid job). Aphrodite/Venus is another possibility, but is usually presented as more assertive.
*** Laughing Aphrodite? Clearly Tsuruya.
** Itsuki = Apollo. God of wisdom, masculine beauty, and light. Itsuki enjoys philosophy and deduction (at least as applied to Haruhi or mystery games), is very pretty, and ''turns into a ball of light''.
** Finally, Kyon is not a god, but the latest in the long tradition of hapless mortals accosted by the gods to be a Hero and/or one-night stand. Come to think of it, in the climax of Season 1, he was pretty much ''both'' simultaneously, in a PG, socially-appropriate sort of way.
** Or Kyon is a ''demi''god. I don't know my mythology completely, but weren't pretty much all the Greek heroes this way? He's the latest Heracles, but he doesn't know it yet.
*** Not necessarily. A lot of the ancient heroes were demigods, but just as many were simply mortals who were that badass. Most of the heroes at Troy were mortal, with Achilles being a notable exception.

[[WMG:Alternatively, if Kyon is god, then Haruhi is the "slider".]]
Let's just face it, we are going to see a "slider" eventually.

[[WMG:Haruhi is a hermaphrodite.]]
As the old joke goes, "God is neither black nor white. God is neither male nor female. God is neither gay nor straight. Therefore, God is Michael Jackson." However, Haruhi is neither black nor white. She is neither gay nor straight. She is God. Therefore, she is neither male nor female, i.e., a hermaphrodite. (Although about 10,000 Main/{{Doujinshi}} artists would try to prove me wrong...)
* And 10,000 more will [[Main/RuleThirtyFour try to prove you right]].
* I can do you better. Kyon and Haruhi are male and female aspects of the ''same being.''
* Does that mean Kyon is bi?
** Well, considering that Haruhi only shows attraction to Kyon, it just means that he's gay for himself.
*** Haruhi wants to [[Main/ScrewYourself screw herself.]]
** It would also explain Koizumi's existence as the "gay option" if you subscribe to the "Kyon is the god" theory.
* ...Did you just prove that Haruhi is Michael Jackson?

[[WMG: Haruhi is Sakaki's split personality]]
Haruhi was created by Sakaki's unconscious desires for the supernatural. This could explain many things: Sakaki's team says that Haruhi receiving her powers was a mistake. Haruhi, when seeing Kyon with Sakaki, suffers "not simple jealousy, but a more primitive emotion" according to Koizumi (she fears her own death). Also, it explains the capability that Sakaki has to take over Haruhi's powers. This could be also confirmed by the title of the book: "The Dissociation of Suzumiya Haruhi". It would be worth asking: Why doesn't Kyon EVER meet Haruhi's parents, or even go to her house? Because she DOESN'T have a house! When she has had enough fun with the SOS brigade, she simply disappears.
** Or possibly visa-versa.

[[WMG: The Final Battle will be against Ryoko Asakura, who takes Sasaki's Anti-Haruhi power]]
The only way Kyon is able to save his previous sliding self from Alter-Ryoko is to Jump her back to the current reality. If Haruhi's non-change is upsetting, than Sakaki's nihilistic stasis is even more so. Ryoko uses Nagato's "Steal Ability" and usurps Sakaki's godhead.

[[WMG: Haruhi created or is otherwise messing around with (Insert Random Fictional Universe Here)]]
Haruhi is God, so why not? Much like the multiple interpretations and ramifications of the events of {{Main/Neon Genesis Evangelion}}, Haruhi's omnipotence creates a very large if not infinitely large dart board to toss Wild Mass Guess darts at; therefore, any theory concerning any fictional universe stating that said universe is created by or is otherwise involved with Haruhi is valid.
* More importantly, Haruhi created or is otherwise messing around with ''TVTropes''.
** Well, duh.
** So everyone watch what you say and ''[[CrapsackWorld don't]] [[WorldHalfEmpty give]] [[KillEmAll her]] [[ApocalypseHow ideas.]]''
** Alternatively, Haruhi is TVTropes personified. When you edit an article, you edit her mind, therefore editing reality. Fortunately, most of TVTropes describes fiction, so unless somebody starts editing the RealLife pages with cataclysmic disasters, we should be safe.
*** Or did the cataclysmic disastsers happen ''because'' they were added to the wiki? IE, [[GodwinsLaw the holocaust]] only happened becasue someone put it on TvTropes, thus making it true. [[MindScrew If I really wanted to screw with everyone's minds]], I could say that if I edit "Obama becomes first black president" on the real life pages, it will happen, changing history and everyone's memories to belive that it's true. you could argue that it is already true and it's obvious, but do you remember it because it happened or becasue someone added it to the wiki?[[hottip:*:[[MindScrew for those confused, don't worry. ]][[OrIsIt It's not true.]]]]

[[WMG:Haruhi is a 5th dimension imp]]
The series ends when she says Ihurah Ayimuzus and is transported back to her home.
* Or something like "Hirahu Yamizusu" if you're going with Japanese letter-syllables instead of English letters.
* [[{{Superman}} Did you '''honestly''' believe that a 5th-dimensional sorceror would resemble a Japanese schoolgirl with a yellow hairband?]]
** [[RuleOfCool Why not?]]

[[WMG:Kyonko and Haruki are a reshuffling of the [=KyonHaruhi=] manifestations]]
Kyonko looks like Haruhi, and Haruki looks like Kyon. Despite supposedly being OppositeSexClone/AlternateUniverse versions of the originals; their personalities have curious differences. One could argue this is just evidence of the pervasiveness of gender expectations on personality...but if both Kyon and Haruhi are Avatars of gods; it's possible they decided to trade more pieces than just gender.
* Yes, this is WildMassGuessing of the solely fan-created AlternateUniverse.
* That just means they look alike. Which, of course, allows the "Kyon and Haruhi are two sides of the same coin" a little more possibility.
* I think it's more fair to say that Kyonko and Haruki/Haruhiko are just often traced over or drawn off of Haruhi and Kyon than there being any in-universe resemblance. There are just as many pics where Kyonko looks nothing like Haruhi aside from being a [[GenericCuteness generically cute]] brown-haired girl.

[[WMG:Haruhi will discover her true nature on or not long before [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar December 21, 2012]]. What she did on 7/7/07 will pale next to what will happen on that day.]]
12/21/2012 is [[strike:[[WeAllLiveInAmerica a couple months into]]]] two-thirds of the way through Kyon and Haruhi's last year of high school, a good point to kick off the final story arc. As for what exactly she'll do, my bet is on her launching a new...age of magic, or perhaps age of heroes, much like in {{Shadowrun}}. It's also conceivable that ''this is not the first time this has happened''--perhaps AllMythsAreTrue, and Zeus, Odin, etc. were beings just like Haruhi.

[[WMG:Haruhi is the true Nietzschean {{Ubermensch}}]]
Think about it. She rejects the norms of society, doesn't give in to the majority's pressure, lives by her own "code" and standards, and wants to MakeABetterWorld (well, better by her definition). And she even has followers of a sort who are compelled to follow her.
* TheOtherWiki actually had this sometime before under the article for Haruhi. It has been deleted since.

[[WMG: Haruhi is everyone.]]
Her powers had been passed down to her, and (as far as this troper knows) it hasn't been revealed from who or what Sasaki got her powers. It's possible that the "god"s typically undo any knowledge their predecessors had of the reality warping power, and/or any damage done. Every time a Haruhi-power wishes away the power, or successfully "makes a new universe" that pleases them (but without being able to create or destroy life, only alter what is already there), it passes to the next person, somewhere near the same time and astronomoical coordinates as their predecessor. Eventually, it will loop around to the "first" being (or at least loop, there wouldn;t really be any first, it being a [[StableTimeLoop Stable Everything Loop]]), after everyone else to have the power slowly made the universe exactly what it was before the "first" person changed anything.

[[WMG:TheUnwantedHarem was set up by Haruhi so that she could win.]]
Her obsession with winning is rampant during the series, and given how GenreSavvy she is, it makes sense she would expect one of these to come up. This means that the real reason she almost destroys everything in Episode 6/14 was not just because she saw Kyon friendly with another woman, but because ''Mikuru was winning.'' The kiss made her believe she was back on top, so she restored everything. Also, notice how every other member of the harem has a ridiculous number of reasons to not be with him (it's forbidden, not human, male, it would mean everyone dies, etc.}. This is Haruhi subconsciously getting Kyon to notice her and only her.
* Plus, she's the [[FirstGirlWins first girl]] introduced in the series. But the again, there's Sasaki and Kyon technically met her before the series started. Although, Kyon did go back in time three years to meet a younger Haruhi which happened, chronologically, first... Gah, I'm so confused!
** It's possible that her subconscious recognises that she met Kyon three years ago, but hasn't realised that the Kyon from that point is from the 'future' (because Haruhi doesn't really believe in time travel), so she still thinks she was the first. Alternatively, she just didn't know about Sasaki, and so never did anything about her.

[[WMG:Like the big blue glowy things, Haruhi's groping of Mikuru is a way of getting off a [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean different kind]] of stress.]]
If she doesn't touch Mikuru's breasts, the world will end.

[[WMG:The "Haruhi" Universe is really a dimension made up of Haruhi's beliefs, but she actually is physically in another dimension, where her body is in coma]]
Therefor, the series ends, if she either dies in her true dimension, or if the others find a way to send her back to her real life, which would mean farewell. She would probably end up searching everywhere for a brown-haird boy she can order around...
Oh, yes, that would explain why her parents are never shown, but mentioned.
Her parents are still in Main/TheRealWorld.
* This raises disturbing questions on what [[Main/DreamApocalypse happens to the Dream]] when she wakes up.
** Alternatively, Kyon is the sleeper. Evidence pointing towards this, during the Magazine arc, each of the Nakama came up with their own stories. Mikuru wrote a conglomeration of fairy tales that ended on the note that when "Prince Charming wakes up, ''everything changes.''"
*** We do see Kyon waking up an awful lot.
*** And ''grumpily'', at that. Clearly, his subconcious knows that he's not ready to wake up for real.
* Or, this troper's preference, Haruhi (or Kyon) is having a dream each night that corresponds to roughly one episode. The two-part vacation episode with the typhoon was when he or she had am\n extra-long fever dream from being out in the rain. The character just never remembers their waking life inside the dream, and if it's Haruhi, she just doesn;t notice anything because then it would ruin the rest of the dream for her.

[[WMG: Everything is a XanatosRoulette / MemoryGambit by Haruhi.]]
Haruhi purposely set up things in a way that would lead to the speculations done my Yuki, Mikuru, and Itsuki, and planned that she would lose her knowlege of her being a RealityWarper later and planned that the members of the SOS Brigade would come to keep her under control for these reasons to prevent the apocalypse. For some unrevealed reason. She's been influenced by [[DeathNote Light "God of the new world" Yagami]].

[[WMG: Haruhi, or some other cast member is a contributor to the wiki, and a shameless EntryPimp]]
Which explains the amount of examples and WMG's. While Haruhi might just be that narcissistic, my money's on Mikuru [[SchoolgirlLesbians who really doesn't mind her advances that much]], seeing she is nostalgic in her future form.

[[WMG: Haruhi is a [[TheWorldEndsWithYou Composer]]]]
Think about it. Haruhi's closed spaced where giant beings rampage is the same as Joshua's Shibuya Underground where beings known as the noise rampage. The instant Haruhi discovers her almighty composer powers, she'll come to the same conclusion that Joshua did and cue another instance of the reaper's game.
* Alternatively, she's already playing a Reaper's game with her Conductor and her entry fee was her memories of the Underground.
** Or the Reaper's Game is what the SOS Brigade is to Haruhi. All the problems in the game started when Joshua got bored.
*** The problems in the game started because Joshua decided Shibuya needed to be destroyed before it had a chance to corrupt the other areas.
**** Maybe he thought boredom was catching? Anyway, nothing like a bet to make a God-like entity happy.
* Tsuruya is Haruhi's Producer.
** But who's the conductor?
*** Uhh... Kyon? (Maybe they had both agreed for a game, just like Josh and Kitaniji with the entry-fees beeing their memories?)
** So how does Sasaki fit into this?
*** She was the previous conductor, and Haruhi got her powers from defeating her.
* Kyon's sister is actually the current GM and is also acting as the Conductor due to Kyon's entry fee making him unable to perform his duties.
* Kunikida is a Support Reaper.
* Alternatively, Haruhi is the Composer-queen, who rules over all planes and even the angles are afraid of, because she has so much power!... And Joshua's cousin. I always thought those two were at least related. Their personalities are sometimes SOOO simmilar: People are dull and boring? Erase them. People are evil? KILL them with magic powers! Life is unintersting? Pep it up with your magic powers!
* Since the Undergrounds are different by preference of the Composer, the Osaka Underground game is played over a far longer period of time. If Haruhi is the Composer, Kyon is the Conductor and Tsuruya is the Producer. The pairs who are playing the game are: Yuki and Ryoko, Koizumi and Mikuru, Taniguchi and Kunikida, Emiri and the Computer Club President, Arakawa and Mori, Sasaki Kyouko, and Fujiwara and Kuyo. When Asakura was Erased, Tsuruya gathered her soul and made a noise from the remains in the form of Achakura from Haruhi-chan.

[[WMG: Haruhi doesn't currently have her reality warping powers]]
Despite no longer having her reality warping power Sasaki retains the ability to create enclosed spaces and could presumably generate avatars if she desired to change the world. In order for Haruhi to make a large scale change her enclosed space must grow to a certain size. The rampaging of Haruhi's avatars are what causes her enclosed spaces to grow. As of the latest novel Haruhi is generating avatars that aren't rampaging.

[[WMG: Haruhi's powers do not manifest her own subconscious whims, but the notions of anyone else]]
This is a belief I came up with because, well, it is the ''ONLY'' way I can look at Haruhi and the entire show with some kind of basic acceptance. In reality, Haruhi is nothing more than a sad, scared girl, aware of the true nature of her powers but unable to do anything about it. It comes down to a situation similar to YourMindMakesItReal. If someone aware of Haruhi's alleged "nature" thinks she's angry and going to destroy the world, it ''will'' happen. If someone thinks she's bored and the Universe will alter itself to be more amusing for her, it ''will'' happen. This explains why the world hasn't ended or gone under rampant rewrites during the course of time Haruhi is out of the eyesight of the SOS brigade.
* If this were the case, why wouldn't she speak up? She could just ''tell'' everyone who thinks she's about to destroy the world that she knows what's going on and isn't going to do that.
** For one, political reasons. Mikuru, Yuki, and Itsuki's superiors do not see eye to eye, but I may be mistaken. By carrying on as she is, Haruhi is presenting an EnemyMine scenario and keeping the three factions more or less united. She may also may not wish to come out with the truth because it would be * VERY* easy for someone to abuse this power for their own end.

[[WMG: Haruhi's power is actually a manifestation of [[{{Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann}} Spiral Power]]]]
Or possibly its the other way around. This is based mainly on Yuki's explanation for why the Data Entity is interested in Haruhi, namely the autonomous evolution thing. In addition to this, it seems to me that Haruhi's determination, refusal to take no for an answer, hopefulness, and just personality is usually very similar to what's needed to access large amounts of Spiral Power.
* Is Sasaki an Anti-Spiral, then? She doesn't try to prevent other people from using Spiral power, but she doesn't know it's dangerous. Her team, however, DOES want it for her, so maybe they are also Anti-spirals

[[WMG: Haruhi created the Sky Canopy Domain, evil...ish espers and time travelers when remaking the world at the end of the first novel/season.]]
She didn't start creating a new world just because Kyon was upsetting her by flirting with Mikuru. She was bored with the world because as far as she could see, the aliens and whatnot weren't coming or weren't there at all. So she made versions that would come to her and actually do stuff. The result? A new group that is more hostile/weirder and is focused on her ''and'' without as strong an inclination to keep her out of the loop. Now she can be entertained! Except [[CharacterDevelopment by this point]] that's not what she really wants anymore. Uh oh.
* So, Sasaki is a part of her personality that just doesn't care about anything (although she never did care too much)?
** Yep, Sasaki is [[TitleDrop The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.]]

[[WMG: Haruhi is the source of her own power.]]
Eventually Haruhi is going to catch on. With the cat out of the bag, someone will decide to ask Haruhi if she has any clue how the hell she got her powers in the first place. Haruhi will then make up her own bizarre and nonsensical origin story that thanks to her reality warping powers will retroactively become true thus giving her her reality warping powers.

[[WMG: Haruhi knows exactly what's going on, is in better control of her power than anyone thinks, and playing along for shits and giggles.]]
There's nothing more messed up than thinking about a God that's duping everyone and getting away with ridiculously questionable acts and having complete freedom, since ''nobody'' would try to oppose her. Trying to end the world when Kyon talked to another girl? That's just her messing with everyone and denying Kyon even a single facet of a normal life. Molesting Mikiru is just an act of a DepravedBisexual and she loves the fact she gets away with it. All the bad things that have happened in the series? All Haruhi wanting a little more "excitement" in her life, regardless of who she has to step on along the way. NightmareFuel if ever there was one.
* Actually that kinda has Fortunate Implications. It means that her morality is improving due to "lesser" beings later on in the books.
** Unless she just wants them to think that way.

[[WMG: In the past, Haruhi attempted suicide.]]
After her realisation that she was totally insignificant in the grand scale of things, Haruhi went into a deep depression. It culminated in an attempt at suicide, which failed for... some reason. (Interrupted?) After some councelling, her view of the world changed into her current one (Find the interesting instead of just waiting for it).

[[WMG: Haruhi is aware that her powers need to be kept under control and gathered everyone who observes her for this reason.]]
Think about it, if Itsuki and the rest of the organization just one day realized about their powers and Haruhi, then maybe Haruhi intentionally created them so there will be some to take care of Sealed Realities and prevent her from destroying the world. Why? Because she always knew that she is God, but also feared LaserGuidedAmnesia because she knew there was the possibility that she might forget. How? No idea. But three years ago, Haruhi indeed forgot, and prepared a XanatosGambit- the moment she will forget, there will be someone created to keep her under control.

[[WMG: If Haruhi realizes her powers, she'll become an EnergyBeing]]
The only thing that keeps her human right now is her belief that she's just a normal human. If she ever realizes her powers, she'll become an ABSOLUTLEY omnipotent being, that cannot be grasped, unless she wants it. Her powers wouldn't than be subconsciously anymore: If she only thought about, for example, Santa Claus falling onto Kyon's head, it would happen.

[[WMG: If Haruhi knows about her powers and consequences, she'll give up them.]]
She'll conclude that she never really needed them, and what she always needed were [[PowerOfFriendship true friends]]. And this will open a breach for the true BigBad, that will destroy the Universe. Her Closed Spaces, and to some extent, the very existence of her powers were actually keeping it at bay.

[[WMG:Haruhi beleives that "John Smith" is living the life she wants.]]
When Haruhi asks "John Smith" questions, his answer to the question on [[spoiler:sliders]] is "I haven't met them yet". It was only later that Haruhi relised that if he said "I haven't met them yet" probably meant he has met something amazing and possibly lives an extrordinary life. Thus she [[spoiler:infiltrated the school to find him,]] only to fail. Not giving up she enrolls into the school to find clues that only a student could find, such as past members of clubs.
* You know, that actually makes a lot of sense. I agree, and adding to that, all yuki had to change the world in Disappearance was make Haruhi Believe he was lying, thus changing history.

[[WMG: Haruhi really ''is'' God.]] She's projecting her powers onto Kyon, but he doesn't want them and is projecting them back.

.... Just a thought....

[[WMG: Haruhi isn't God.]]
Nobody shown in the series is. She happens to have reality-altering powers, but the reconstruction was taken out of pity by the true God, that has yet to appear as a character in the series.
* This is supported by the new opening which contains the statement "Gott ist tot" (meaning God is dead), and thus no living character is God.

[[WMG:Haruhi heard a rumor about Kyon's meeting with Yuki after school, and it was a contributing factor to her remaking the world]]
It is commonly agreed on that she was jealous of Mikuru's flirting with Kyon. However, she does not call Mikuru out on this, and she simply broods on it. If Tanguchi spilled the beans, or if she got wind of the meeting some other way (For example, if it was a XanatosGambit [[MyDeathIsOnlyTheBeginning by Asakura]]) then she would feel like everybody had a better relationship with Kyon then she did. Of course, Koizumi talks to Kyon more than anyone else, so she figured that she wasn't as liked by Kyon as everyone else. Since she was the one who brought all of them into Kyon's life, she wanted to take them out and start all over. The kiss and compliment during her dream made her realize that Kyon DOES care about her as much or more than he does the rest of the brigade.

[[WMG:Mikuru, Nagato, Itsuki, Tsuruya, [[BreadEggsMilkSquick Shamisen]] or ''whoever'' you Kyon can be shipped with all do have feelings for him... because Haruhi does.]]
* Assuming Haruhi does like him, which is pretty much the only confirmed attraction in the series, that means she would rate him highly. If she believes that Kyon is actually highly attractive, wouldn't that automatically make him so? It's not a matter of looks or even necessarily being his personality; if she likes him she would likely believe that everyone else that liked guys would also like Kyon. So they do.
** Well, this is might be partially true. In book 4 when Haruhi was taken out of the equation, Mikuru, Tsuruya and Itsuki all seemed less attracted to him. However, Yuki was more overtly attracted to him.
*** Hm. Since Nagato rewrote the world while presumably being attracted to him and also making herself more expressive, it makes sense that how she felt would carry over. Also, unlike Haruhi, she would actually be aware of what she was doing and maybe went out of her way to make sure there wasn't any spillover, so to speak.

[[WMG:Haruhi erased her own memory of being a God or whatever she is]]
If anyone became omnipotent, I would suspect they would become extremely lonely. Everyone would be pleading them for something, praising them, or whatever and noone would treat them like an equal. Haruhi became distressed at this and had no friends, only [[strike:worshippers]] Haruhiists. She then began disguising herself as human, but once she did this, it was no good because she either had to not help people when it was in her power to do so or blow her cover. Therefore, the only thing one can do in this situation is to wipe the memory of your powers from her mind and have them activate whenever they need to to keep her happy. Given the way loli-Haruhi wrote "I am here" it was this being merging with Haruhi and wiping its own memory. If it used to reside in Sasaki, then it was attracted to Kyon due to Sasaki, and jumped into Haruhi to have a better chance with him, for whatever reason.

This could also mean that when Yuki took Haruhi's power, she was actually rerouting the being into her own consciousness. It's also possible the being thought it had a better chance as Yuki than as Haruhi.

[[WMG:Haruhi lied about what she had wished for three years ago.]]
She didn't wish to become a very interesting person on the planet. She wished to meet the most interesting on planet, and be a part of his interesting life, and to be told that she wa sspecial and unique. And thus Kyon was created. Of course when she did not immediately meet Kyon she decided on the enxt best thing and become that person herself.

[[WMG:When Haruhi ovulates, the universe changes in very [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean interesting]] ways.]]
Of course, we don't hear about those stories because then they wouldn't appeal to as big a demographic. But boy, if you thought laser beams coming out of someone's eyes was impressive...

[[WMG: Haruhi really ''is'' [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory Jesus. In Purgatory]].]]
S/he's working off the sins of the human race, but like Neo in TheMatrix, is able to warp the spiritual world around hir. Kyon is a mindwiped [[spoiler: Judas]], and [[spoiler: when he kissed her]], it was to keep his world intact instead of Haruhi having to go to Earth and start the Rapture.

[[WMG: The entire SOS Brigade is Jesus]]
Both were created by God/Haruhi and tries to take the sufferings imposed by God to themselves in order to save us.
* [[spoiler:Itsuki is Jesus' wisdom, Yuki is Jesus' power, and Mikuru is Jesus' purity]].

[[WMG: The reason why Haruhi's bahviour is so messed up is, that she doesn't know what she wants herself.]]
Haruhi is searching for something special anywhere, because she feels the desire for... something. But she can't determine what that something is, so she just decided it has to be supernatural. In reality, however, this "something" is just having friends and being truely appreaciated by those friends. Enter SOS-brigade.

[[WMG: Haruhi really IS the director of the show!]]
Think about it.

[[WMG: Haruhi is real]]
Our world only exists because at some point after the show she thought "wouldn't it be cool if my life was made into an anime?", so our world was created for her world to be an anime in.
* My iPod on shuffle for its 975 songs played "Lost My Music" exactly when I was reading the ENOZ concert part in the novel. I only have 1 copy of that song.

[[WMG: The entity known to fans as O-Haruhi-Sama is a separate entity from that of Suzumiya Haruhi.]]
When the Integrated Data Entity first noticed Haruhi, it was because of a sudden, nearly impossible increase of data focused on her. This may be because of the entity, similar to the Integrated Data Entity but on a higher order of life, moving to inhabit her, while granting her wishes in a subtle way while just as subtly guiding her to a path that would result in it reconnecting with Kyon. It has found some form of infatuation with Kyon. As Yuki Nagato stated the Integrated Data Entities are an evolutionary dead end, unable to change like organic beings, of which only humans have gained sentience as well as self-awareness. It is the reason that humans developed sentience despite being organic creatures. The data transfer to Haruhi casued what appeared to be, to it, some slight interference, but to the time travellers and Integrated Data Entity caused an impassable rift in the time continuum and an impossibly large torrent of data, respectively.

[[WMG: Haruhi has a male counterpart]]
Why is she a girl? God has been depicted as male for the majority of history. Personally I think He/She/It/God would prefer to not chose a gender because He/She/It doesn't want us to view one or the other as superior. The solution? God split itself into two individuals, one Haruhi, is the female aspect of God. The other, (Perhaps Kyon, perhaps someone unintroduced as yet) is the male aspect of God. Following this logic the two should have opposite viewpoints and personalities, yet still get along together pretty well. (Note that this troper hasn't read the novels and so cannot explain how Sasaki fits into this.)

[[WMG: The existence of aliens, time travelers, espers, and the series in general is all because of ''The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina''.]]
Okay, lemme put it this way: in Timeline A, Mikuru, Itsuki, and Yuki were all normal people in the SOS brigade. Haruhi is still a reality warper. In this timeline, nothing of nominal importance has happened, so Haruhi decided to make a movie out of boredom. She puts an alien, a time-traveler, and an esper into her movie because she wants to find them and is frustrated. That, combined with her reality-warping, made Yuki, Mikuru, and Itsuki how they all are, and created the IDE, Mikuru's orginization, Itsuki's orginazation, and a new timeline in a sort of CosmicRetcon. This new timeline, Timeline B (the "true" timeline) is formed from that from a common jumping-off point (the "John Smith" thing), and the rest, as they say, is history.
* Not really: the casting decisions were based on Kyon's "Revelation" to Haruhi at the end of Melancholy. She just took his words for inspiration for the roles. So, jossed, in other words.

[[WMG:Haruhi's initial character was strongly inspired by Pippi Longstocking]]
The similarities: eccentricities, odd hair, abnormal strength, etc. It's all there. In fact, one would venture to say that the similarities are too close to call coincidental.


[[WMG: The SOS Brigade was assembled as Haruhi (or Kyon's) own personal harem]]
Of course if it's Kyon, he needs to have a long talk with his subconscious about Itsuki.

[[WMG: Reality in the Haruhi-verse is a computer/the internet...]]
Haruhi is the CPU or the OS, Itsuki and Mikuru are different types of anti-malware, the Integrated Data (Thought/Sentient) Entity is/are the user(s) with the human interfaces as their GUI, and Kyon is the Power Source. I mean, there does seem to be a computer motif occasionally, especially with Yuki.
* If we want to make a * nix analogy, Haruhi is init, Yuki is bash (Or some other shell or desktop environment. Most likely the different interfaces are... different interfaces. Perhaps Asakura is Gnome or KDE, since she appears to have a more apparent personality?), Itsuki is clamav or somesuch, Mikiru (I don't think we've seen any other time travelers... just Mikiru and Mikiru) is kjournald, and Kyon is just an ordinary program (hence Itsuki's "background check" reporting "perfectly normal", that is, neither malicious nor a crucial system component)... that happens to be running with suffecient priveleges to run telinit.
** In fact, it seems Nagato's powers only functioning "for emergencies" is because Nagato isn't always running as root, because that would be stupid. Of course, sometimes one really does need to su and do something (for instance, locking out a hacker's access and killing their shell). The event of Nagato getting fed up and making Haruhi appear to not exist may be what happens when bash-tan runs telinit 1 out of anger... init no longer is personified, but instead exists as the Emergency Escape Program. Perhaps the spinoff shows are the result of Kyon deciding to telinit 3/4/5/whathaveyou for a change of pace.

[[WMG: Haruhi knows it's a series.]]
She lets Kyon and the SOS Brigade keep up TheMasquerade because breaking it would mean a SnapBack (such as LaserGuidedAmnesia, which would be annoying to fake and unacceptable to enact on herself) or the SeriesFinale (fixable only by PlotLeveling, which would mean Haruhi wouldn't be the most powerful being in the universe any more). The reason she sometimes shows guilt or oddly-directed worry over certain things that go beyond what she expects (like when she painted herself into a corner by [[spoiler: making Kyon and Itsuki the accidental murderers]] in ''Remote Island Syndrome'') is that she actually knows what she's doing, and worries if it might be endangering others.

[[WMG:Haruhi's powers come from sheer stubbornness.]]
"Haruhi believes her values and judgment to be absolute. She does not understand what others think, or realize that they may think differently, or rather, it has never occurred to her that her way of thinking may be completely different from others’ since the beginning. If people want to achieve time travel, just put Haruhi on a spaceship. Since she probably wouldn't give a damn about the Theory of Relativity anyway." ~ Kyon

This means Haruhi is so stubborn and self-centered that even the laws of physics know better than to argue with her.

[[WMG:The Plan to keep Haruhi from realizing the truth is suicide for everyone.]]
So Haruhi, a God who is maintaining reality itself, believes herself to be a normal girl. She lives a normal, if eccentric life, with shadowy friends keeping everything that might convince her otherwise out of the way. She grows older because she thinks she should. Around age 110 or so, she thinks about how people that usually die. So because she's expecting it, she dies. Her perception becomes a completely blank slate; and ALL OF REALITY follows suit.
* Or, at least, she will destroy the world and replace it with an afterlife.

[[WMG: Haruhi's desire to create the ultimate {{Moe}} character is what resulted in Yuki gaining emotions.]]
So she ''has'' created the ultimate {{Moe}} character. Once more, she doesn't see what's right in front of her.

[[WMG: Haruhi will become a writer in future]]
Just after Kyon and the rest of SOS Brigade will realize it's the best way to keep her bot entertained and busy enough to not alert reality, they will slowy set her interests toward creating some kind of works of fiction. Haruhi will becaome writer (ro movie director, or something like that) and create things that for some reason weren't created in her world, even though they exist in our. Nobody will be aware that while Haruhi would acknowledge what she creates as only fictional, her subconscious wish will make all worlds exists as an alternate dimensions. Her works will of curse all have strong infulence of RuleOfCool and/or RuleOfFunny and be very {{Troperiffic}}. The most popular of her books will be:

- [[JoJosBizarreAdventure Cycle about sucessive generations of family with unusual powers, fighting vampires, nazists and other stange beigns]].

- [[{{Slayers}} Adventures of teenage wizard girl and her friends who lives in crazy fantasy world and do unbelivable things]].

- [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann tale about young boy and his friend who are breaking laws of physic with the help of giant robots]].

If Sasaki would do the same, she will create most of worlds mentioned in CrapsackWorld and {{Wangst}} tropes.

[[WMG: Haruhi might become a dictator in the future]]
She is practicing it right now through the SOS Brigade.

[[WMG:This is all a convoluted plan to get Haruhi the most interesting boyfriend ever.]]
Near the beginning Haruhi admits that she'd date anyone as long as they were interesting. She seems to like Kyon, but (according to Itsuki) he's completely normal. Considering she was hoping for a time traveler, Esper, alien, or slider this is quite depressing. To fix this she's been rewriting the world so that instead of being normal Kyon becomes all these things. Kyon times back in time during Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody. If you define Esper as person who enters Closed Space and stops the Celestials then techically he's an Esper because of the kiss. I haven't gotten far enough in the books yet, but you might be able to count his existence in a changed world as an alien or slider.

[[WMG: Haruhi chose Kyon as her stand-in to discover supernatural things]]
She desperately wants to meet Aliens, Espers, Sliders, and Time Travelers, but her common sense won't let her accept their existence. So what does she do? She chose Kyon, who as a youth once shared her passion for the supernatural, to discover them and have adventures as her proxy. This is also why he comes to enjoy his exciting and abnormal life.

[[WMG:Haruhi is a self insert of Strong Sad (from homestarrunner.com)]]
It’s even crazier than you think. If you think about it, having a normal (in HR’s crazy canon terms) could be the cause of Strong Sad’s depression, and Haruhi’s depression (slight one) was also the cause of having a normal life. So one day, he created the Haruhi universe, with Haruhi herself as his male counterpart. Don’t ask for a clearer connection, it makes much more sense when you think less of it.

[[WMG: In Haruhi's world, EverybodyIsJesusInPurgatory]]
Everybody is suffering from having to take care of Haruhi just to please her, but it is all because of everybody atoning for their sins.

[[WMG: Haruhi is not TheMessiah version of Jesus.]]
A true Messiah is a person who puts other's needs and troubles before himself/herself (referenced the Original Messiah, Jesus) Even a DarkMessiah puts his beliefs before his needs, even though it is done in a WellIntentionedExtremist way. Jesus, for example, served humanity and died for its sins. Haruhi, on the other hand, makes slaves of her disciples instead of teaching them how to reach Nirvana. She doesn't even look like [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Kamina]], the closest analogue to Jesus (Kamina did serve Simon, but Haruhi has more servants). Instead, she is the closest analogue to the easily-bored Old Testament God. She might be Jesus in Purgatory, but she definitely isn't the messiah.

[[WMG: Haruhi Suzumiya is real, and by using Mikuru fanservice and manipulation of Internet culture, is trying to build a RealLife religion called Haruhiism]]

[[WMG: Haruhi is the Collective Unconscious]]
Her "easily-bored" personality and her ability to destroy everything when bored is the representation of humanity which does everything from memes to war because they were bored.

[[WMG: The real reason why Haruhi's powers are so dangerous is because of her teenage years]]
Adolescence is usually considered the most unstable part of a person's life (aka the title, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya), so if Haruhi grows up, her powers will stabilize, and there will be no need for observers.

[[WMG: Haruhi, not [[TheBible God]], will pass judgement on the world]]
She will see if the world will still be a suitable place to live in. If the world is boring, it will be annihilated.

[[WMG: Haruhi's powers (and Kyon's nickname) are results from fragments of the [[DoctorWho Skasis Paradigm]] being stuck in her head.]]
(Note: This entry is based on second hand knowledge of Suzumiya Haruhi.)
Remember the events of [[DoctorWho "School Reuinion"]]? Chances are, the Krillatines did not just focus their operations in England; logically they have operations in Japan (most advanced in electronics) as well. The Tenth Doctor only managed to foil the Kirllatines from unlocking the 'central command unit'; other fragments of the Skasis Paradigm, granting various 'powers', were still decoded succesfully-albeit not in control by the Krillatines but by the decoders (i.e. the children) themselves. Two of the 'genius children' the Krillatines were using happened to be Haruhi and Kyon. Thus, without the 'central command unit' being used by the Krillatines, those two were free to run around with partial power of the Skasis Paradigm stuck in their heads. Whereupon Haruhi decided to use it to create a new, alternate universe completely (3 years ago, to be exact) and Kyon, from the Skasis Paradigm, decided that "John Smith" was a pretty nice name (and, if the 'slider' theories are true, he also has the 'transdimension travel program' stuck in his brain too).
* This has nothing really to do with this, but this troper just noticed that Skasis is ''almost'' an anagram of Sasaki.

[[WMG: It's all HARUHI'S dream.]]
Haruhi is a teenage girl, and as we all know, teenage girls are brats who want the world wrapped around their fingers. At the same time, Haruhi [[IJustWantToBeSpecial wants to be special]] and hang out with special people, so she's dreaming of a world where she controls everything, gets a hot love interest, gets to act as bratty as she wants since anyone who denies her will bring about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, and hangs around with people that have amazing powers. The dream is actually several dreams combined, however, since Haruhi just isn't satisfied with the fact she isn't getting what she wants directly and keeps trying and trying to get it right. It's more of a daydream that way.

[[WMG: When Haruhi FINALLY discovers her power, she'll become DrunkOnTheDarkSide.]]
The SOS Brigade will have to destroy her when she becomes a danger to the universe as a whole, and Kyon will be the only one who can. After he succeeds, Mikuru and Yuki somehow reset time and space so that it would seem like Haruhi never existed. They also reset Kyon's memories so that he never knew of Haruhi or them. They all return to their respective lives, and a BittersweetEnding is had.

[[WMG: The ponytail was a test.]]
Haruhi never wore a ponytail after that day. The ponytail was a test to see if the dream was real. Haruhi knows that it was, now.

[[WMG: Haruhi doesn't really have the hots for Kyon.]]
Haruhi doesn't want to be in a world where Kyon is kissing her (which is why she stopped remaking the world), she either wants Mikuru or distrusts her (hence the jealousy). After all, Haruhi isn't really one to hide her emotions. If she did have the hots for Kyon, she wouldn't hide it with bullying him. Which means that she was right all along: She wants someone weird. [[SarcasmMode Then again, Haruhi]] ''[[SarcasmMode does]]'' [[SarcasmMode like being proved wrong.]]
* Or she could have thought that having a guy she likes kiss her means "This can't happen; it's totally a dream" and fixes reality. That kind of thing tends to happen.

[[WMG: Haruhi is an ordinary human.]]
Tanigawa Nagaru is a New Agist, and a believer in Human Potential. Haruhi is able to tap into the powers that all ordinary humans have.
* So it's like {{Akira}}?

[[WMG: Haruhi doesn't mean THAT kind of slider.]]
Nobody ever asked what kind of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_light_interference SLIder]] she meant.
* Haruhi wants [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slider_(disambiguation) one of those little hamburgers sold in America]] (Then again, she ''does'' kind of have a thing about baseball).
** So basically [[HaroldAndKumar Haruhi and Kyon Go To White Castle?]] Holy crap. Even their name fits.

[[WMG:Haruhi is the only REAL human]]
[[EverybodyIsJesusInPurgatory Everyone is an interface of the Data Entity which somehow failed]].

[[WMG:Haruhi is a Kyon/Yuki shipper.]]
At the beginning of Snow Mountain Syndrome, Koizumi claims that the incidents of closed space have gone down since Christmas, around the time when, it is later revealed, Haruhi thought that something was going on between Kyon and Yuki. She also flips out at Kyon's perceived indifference to [[spoiler:Yuki's illness.]] Additionally, in Charmed At First Sight LOVER, when Haruhi finds what she thinks is Kyon's love letter to Yuki, she's less bothered by the thought that he'd write one than she is by the sheer absurdity of the letter itself. To be fair, though, it is rather cheesy.
* Which makes sense that Haruhi didn't want to be in the 'closed space' with kyon after he kissed her, she wanted him to be with Yuki not with her.
* Except what Koizumi said was that 'Closed Space has become less frequent, as I told you at Christmas.' Not 'Since Christmas, Closed Space has become less frequent.' Haruhi being more pissed at the cheesiness of the letter than the confession it contained is... unlikely.

[[WMG:Haruhi's attempted sexual assault on Mikuru was a jealous attempt to be Kyon's FirstKiss.]]
Unless Haruhi is just messing with everyone, she still thinks episode six was AllJustADream. As far as she knows neither she nor Kyon has kissed anyone. While filming the movie Mikuru offers Kyon her water bottle. Haruhi grabs the bottle knowing [[IndirectKiss what it would mean if Kyon drank from it]]. Shortly afterwards, the movie calls for Itsuki to kiss a [[DudeShesLikeInAComa passed out Mikuru]]. Since there was no way to force the chore boy to kiss the director, Haruhi wrote in a less violent version of MurderTheHypotenuse to make herself more desirable.

[[WMG: Haruhi created the Anti-SOS-brigade on purpose, in order to give her "Team" antagonists.]]
Due to Kyon spilling the beans to her (even if she apparently didn't believe it), Haruhi is to some degree aware of what is happening around her, but afraid it could become too ''boring'' and everyday, if the conflicts start to become resolved. She therefor created the Anti-S.O.S-Brigade and [[RetCon Retconned]] them into Canon, in order to keep the story interesting.
** Well, probably Haruhi created the WHOLE WORLD, so obviously EVERYTHING in it is caused by her to some extent.

[[WMG: Haruhi employs ObfuscatingStupidity]]
She is well aware of her powers, and she is just testing us. [[ForTheEvulz Or does she?]]

[[WMG: The universe is Haruhi's Never-ending Story]]
For those who don't know the Never-ending Story, it's about a world of fantasy being brought back to life by a young kid through means of a magical book. Believing in that world gives Fantasia existence. As the kid transports into Fantasia using the magical book (''The Neverending Story'', and he keeps wishing and imagining, he starts forgetting something about himself. So what would happen if a child like Haruhi got hold of that magic book? Why does time travel can't go back to three years ago? Simple, because the world the protagonists live in IS Fantasia. Haruhi's common sense dictactes that there is no magic, but instead, it has time travelers, aliens, espers and sliders. It was all created by Haruhi. So, she ends up being, by all intents and purposes, God. Maybe this would also explain why Nagato became a bookworm. She's searching for that very same book.
* The reason the kid loses his memories is because they are exchanged for having his wishes granted. Furthermore, he doesn't have to explicitly make a wish for it to be granted. Thus, Haruhi created the Espers to act as a restriction on her powers so she wouldn't over use them. Also, the kid's powers are granted by a magic item given to him by the Childlike Empress, who is for all intents and purposes the actual God of Fantasia. Given that the Anti-SOS brigade believes they need Kyon's consent to take Haruhi's powers from her, and that the Childlike Empress will only meet a given person once in a lifetime (and thus can not be Kyon), Kyon is clearly the anthromorphic personification of said magic item. Also, ''The Neverending Story'' is explictly not one of a kind so Yuki wouldn't need to find the exact same book Haruhi used.

[[WMG: God has died in the Haruhiverse. Literally]]
And he gave his remaining powers to two people, Haruhi and Kyon.

[[WMG: [[GreekMythology Hera and Zeus]] are Haruhi's actual parents.]]
'''Haru'''hi '''Suzu'''miya. Looks like a child of Hera and Zeus corrupted with Engrish and disguised as a Japanese schoolgirl.

[[WMG: Haruhi is not God, but a part of a race of aliens which the Integrated Data Entity never knew of]]

[[WMG: Haruhi's powers are due to not Kyon being God himself, but because she is the collective unconscious that is projected by the "normal" human race, Kyon included.]]
This is a theory that would be only plausible if Kyon really is God. Some people from the fandom are trying to convince Kyon is the one who is projecting his own powers to Haruhi, giving Haruhi seemingly godlike powers despite not being its owner. However, Kyon constantly tries to convince us that he is nothing but normal. Of course, this either means on a literal scale, Kyon is unaware of his powers, or on a metaphorical scale, Kyon is the representative of the normal people who are trying to convince themselves into not having powers, and because those powers have to go somewhere, it went into Haruhi. How is she the unconscious, then? Normal humans are trying to hide their powers into their unconscious, which then accumulates and grows up in the collective unconscious, in other words, they refuse to be conscious of said powers. With all the gates closed, the powers flow to the remaining windows: weird people. In reality, humans have the ability to change the world, but they are constantly trying to suppress it through their instinctive denial of something that powerful in order to be "normal", so the remaining powers often end up to those people who accept weirdness.
* Probably some of those people who accept weirdness are in TV Tropes... Oh my, TV Tropes is Haruhi!

[[WMG: Haruhi has a potential to be a Magnificent Bastard, the reason why she doesn't show that potential is because she requires a DeathNote]]
It would take some time before Haruhi takes a joke called "Death Note" as fact, and then Change The World......

[[WMG: When Haruhi uses TV Tropes, the world changes into seemingly bizarre ways.]]
Too bad we often forget.....

[[WMG: Haruhi will find out about her powers.]]
There will be some crisis, or Kyon will finally get fed up, and tell Haruhi about herself. All hell breaks loose, And everything is solved at the end with a mindwipe.

[[WMG: Haruhi's energy stare in Day of Sagittarius actually worked...]]
...it was just delayed a bit. Kyon may have said he felt nothing but mortal danger, but as soon as the fighting started, he was yelling orders at his computer screen with all the energy and confidence he had asked Haruhi for. Itsuki even remarked on the change.
--> '''Itsuki''': It sounds like someone's getting into this game.
Besides, can you think of any other way Haruhi's order to "[[{{Gundam}} launch the Gunda]][[LawyerFriendlyCameo (beep)s]]" would get Kyon to reply with actual enthusiasm?

[[WMG: Haruhi is an Antichrist in the GoodOmens universe.]]
Both Haruhi and Adam have reality warping powers that can cause the EndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Haruhi is being watched by other organizations that don't want the world to end.

"Them" and the "SOS Brigade" also have similar transitional natures.
* There are also angls and demons watching her. They may or may not be somehow related to the Data Entity.

Honestly, it gets better. (I can't believe this idea is already on this page. I've been thinking of it for a while.) What was one of the main identifying signs of the Anti-Christ? A Hellhound would come at the start of the year of the end of world. Its form would be determined by the Anti-Christ's wants and personality, and would function as a servant, protector, and herald. Now, whose name (according to the MeaningfulName entry on the main page) translates to "Dog" in Ancient Greek? If you said, Kyon, you get the prize. Also, the members of the SOS Brigade map rather well to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse:
* Yuki = Death
* Mikuru = War
* Itsuki = Pollution
* And I guess either the Slider or Tsuruya can be Famine.

Now, someone please write this crossover?

[[WMG: When she recreated the universe 3YA, she learned just about anything, abet subconsciously.]]
This requires a few assuptions, so bear with me here. During Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, Haruhi asked about Aliens, Espers, Time Travelers, and Sliders. Note that the first three are known to exist in the universe. She didn't ask about wizards or robots, which we don't know about. If we assume that Haruhi remade the world Three Years Ago, them you can assume it involved bringing the data from the old universe and putting it into the new one (which started as Closed Space). All that data went through her, so she vaguely remembered the fact that ATT&E exist, and she was just looking for confirmation. Also note that she is TheAce at just about anything she tries and gets good grades without even trying. Even when she has been known to sleep in class, in the rather competitive Japanese school system.

[[WMG: Haruhi wasn't listening at all during introductions.]]
Haruhi (her personality at that point in time) strikes me as the type who was either listening really closely for anyone weird, or was just waiting for her turn to introduce herself. It supports the theory that Kyon's real name is John Smith.

[[WMG: At some point before Haruhi rewrote reality, the anime was live action.]]
Haruhi thought the real world was boring, so she turned it into an anime, complete with all the tropes listed here. It fits her character. The characters actually look like anime characters to each other, they just don't notice or care.

[[WMG: Haruhi is Haruhi Suyuzima]]
Do you have any evidence to support that absurd claim?

[[WMG: One of the other characters is Haruhi Suzumiya]]
Probably Mikuru.

[[WMG: Suzumiya Haruhi is a/the slider.]]
The Data Overmind experienced a burst of data centered on Suzumiya Haruhi. This burst of data may have come from the rewriting of the universe to include Haruhi as the universe was copied over from the previous home universe of Suzumiya Haruhi and the copy edited to conform to Haruhi's wishes. When any slider moves to a new, non-random non-target universe, a universe is created using the template of their own universe with the wishes of the slider imprinted on it. What the Data Overmind experienced was the changing of the template before it was activated, primarily to include espers but also to copy people and edit their memories where necessary to fit the new universe once the universe had been physically constructed. The giants in the closed space do not destroy reality, they merely edit the template as it lies parallel to the original. The espers use Haruhi as a link to the new universe, and are returned to the universe they normally perceive once the attempt at writing a new universe is aborted. The universe from which Haruhi and the espers hail is not destroyed in the process of a new universe coming into existence, which is evidenced by the universe returning to its original state once the closed space is reverted. The guess is supported also by Kyon of the anime and possibly original-language light novels wishing to meet a slider, as he would ot technically have met a slider if he merely discovered his own slider powers. This is neither exclusive to nor dependent upon the guesses that Kyon himself is a reality warper or a slider (or that Haruhi is the slider because Kyon is god, as mentioned above). The entity known as "Sasaki" no longer retains her powers because the version of her that exists in the current universe never had them, and she only retains the memory from her original self. It is possible that the original may one day enter the univeerse in which the series takes place, causing dissonance between the Sasaki who chose to lose her powers and did not, and the Sasaki who chose to lose her powers and may regret having "passed them on" (from her interpretation of events).

[[WMG: Haruhi used her incredible powers to cause everyone in the world to create an inordinate number of [=AMVs=] dedicated to her, because the thought it would be fun watching what people came up with (and, thus, be more interesting than just WATCHING the show). JustAsPlanned]]

[[WMG: Tsuruya is a vampire.]]
Haruhi wished for time-travelers, aliens, and espers, so it's not too out of the league that she'd have also wished for a vampire. Thus, Tsuruya.

[[WMG: Haruhi is what happens when [[TheMatrix The One]] dies before being freed.]]
* Haruhi commited suicide after that baseball game when she realized how boring her life was. The factions monitering her are not really time travelers, aliens or espers but Freed Humans from Zion, Specialized Agents and regular humans who she channeled some of her anomoly powers into since she does not have the framework undertsanding of the Matrix to properly use them herself.

[[WMG: The Integrated Thought Entity gave Haruhi her powers.]]
* The IDTE sought to overcome the boundaries imposed by its intellectual limitations by giving a copy of its powerset to a human whose mind indicated a strong potential to use them creatively. Yuki even tells Kyon that Haruhi has data powers in line with the Entity's own abilities. The Entity and its Interfaces probably have some good reasons to keep that knowledge as closely guarded as possible, which is why Yuki chooses not to tell Kyon her group's beliefs regarding Haruhi's powers.
** But then why didn't Yuki just tell Kyon that? There'd be no point in keeping the origin of her powers a secret. In fact, Nagato specifically doesn't tell Kyon her side's theory because it may not be the correct one. It's just their theory, one of several, and they're not so arrogant to start bragging to Kyon about it like Koizumi does. If the IDTE did indeed give Haruhi her powers, it'd be quite simple and safe for Nagato to just say "We did it."
*** My theory is that the Future!IDTE who already had the power of 'autoevolution' sent Haruhi, a humanoid interface, back in time to ensure that Present!IDTE would discover the power of autoevolution and prevent the world from exploding due to a time paradox. Along the way, she prevents another paradox by teaching the kid who discovered timetravel and inspiring him. The preface written in the collection of short stories (I forgot which book, it's when the SOS brigade was ordered to make an anthology of stories or get kicked out of the Literature Club room.)was a remnant of her memories as a humanoid interface. Her presence attracted the timetravellers, namely Mikuru who was tasked with keeping the founder of timetravel safe. How does she does so? With the assistance of Kyon, who was only told of their existence because he was close to Haruhi.

[[WMG: The entire world literally exists in Haruhi's head.]]
Or, if you prefer, the story is pulling a [[StElsewhere Tommy Westphall]] on us. Haruhi is trapped completely inside of her own mind, and the world being created exists in order to fill an otherwise empty and disconnected existence. The S.O.S. members are dimly recognized versions of her aides and therapists. Kyon is an Animus figure (a contrasexual Jungian archetype) whose purpose is to help lead her back to reality. She tells the story through him.
* Alternately, Kyon is the disconnected one, and Haruhi is his anima who is trying to guide him back to reality.

[[WMG: Haruhi is a [[{{Nobilis}} Domina]]]]
The Integrated Data Sentience Entities are Excrucians. Yuki is a full Excrucian and Asakura is a Deceiver-shard. Haruhi's Regius has been destroyed and she has a form of amnesia. Kyon is unknowingly her anchor. This explains the events of ''Disappearance'', as Kyon, being an anchor, was unaffected by the changes Yuki made to the world.

[[WMG: If Haruhi becomes aware of her powers, the universe will eventually change to be as if she always knew.]]
Think about it. How often have you learned something really important and simply can't imagine not having known it at some point? The idea here is that once Haruhi is aware of what she is, she'll begin to forget that she was ever unaware. Thus, the universe will become as if she always knew.

[[WMG: Haruhi is a lucid dreamer, and the entire universe is her dream.]]
* I read an article about [[http://www.here-be-dreams.com/lucid/dream-signs.html lucid dreams]] the other day, and it fascinated me. Noticing certain "dream signs" in your dreams can help you become lucid, and occasionally even control your dreams, essentially becoming a RealityWarper within your own dream.
** As an explanation for Haruhi's powers, it could very well be that the entire series universe, is, in fact, her own dream. The reason the main cast doesn't want her to see any out-of-the-ordinary things happening is because it could possibly trigger lucid dreaming and allow her to fully control her powers with her conscious mind rather than her subconscious. And let's not forget [[DreamApocalypse what would happen to the rest of the universe if she were to awaken due to being traumatized within her own dream...]]
*** This explanation ''might'' not work with the revelation of the Anti-SOS in the later light novels (specifically how Haruhi supposedly got her powers from Sasaki), but it's still an interesting thought.
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[[folder:WMG Kyon]]
[[WMG:Kyon has psychic powers, but is unaware and cannot control them.]]
This is why everyone can hear what he thinks, whether he wants them to or not.

[[WMG:Kyon is either a casnova or TheCharmer.]]
He tries to potray himself as a decent guy who doesn't like that he has a harem of girls that like him.


[[WMG:Kyon is of hispanic origin.]]
expanding on the kyon is a foreigner theory,to me he looks like someone who either came from latin america or souhtern spain due to this hair and skin color. also since his sisters is white, which indicates that they are probaly mixed race, and hispanic people tend to be mixed race. Also a spanish name would sound more unusual to a japanese person than an american name.


[[WMG: We won't meet any sliders, because John Smith hadn't.]]
When John Smith told three years ago's Haruhi that he hadn't met any sliders (yet), this made her (subconsciously) think of them as less likely to exist than aliens, time travelers, and espers. This explains why she only created those three groups, which explains why Kyon never met any, making this another ''StableTimeLoop''. Of course, book 9 suggests that this will be ''Jossed'' soon, but it's still possible.
** Not to mention the Sliders that appear (very briefly) near the end of season 2 of the anime.

[[WMG:John Smith in Japanese Hirigana means 'I'm a Cicada']]
I got bored and loaded up charmap from Start --> Run and selected the MS Mincho font. I went to the Hirigana characters and selected these:

ぞ (Zo)
ん (N)
せ (Se)
み (Mi)
す (Su)

ぞんせみす. Zonsemisu. Zon Semisu. John Smith. I'm pretty sure that's how they said it in the subbed TMOHS. (And yes, I know that usually it would be written in Katakana.) So I put these characters into Google Translate (Japanese to English), and guess what I got? Well, see for yourself on Google Translate if you want to. The result was these words:

I'm a Cicada

Could this be a serious reference to something? Perhaps something to do with the final episode of Endless Eight? Well, I still think it's pretty cool.
* Actually, it is ジョン・スミス (Jon Sumisu), or じょんすみす, if you prefer Hir'''a'''gana. As far as I can tell that does not really translate to anything.

[[WMG:Kyon is a physical manifestation of Haruhi's desire to have an ordinary life.]]
If Yuki, Mikuru and Itsuki are there because Haruhi wants to meet supernatural beings, Kyon is there because part of Haruhi wants to have an ordinary life. Kyon represents Haruhi's wish to fall for an ordinary guy and life a normal life.

[[WMG:Fujiwara is Kyon in the future]]
The obvious alias tipped me off. His ultimate goal is [[TimeyWimeyBall to prevent himself from becoming such a jerk in the first place.]]
* So, Kyon becomes [[FateStayNight Archer]]?. Didn't see that one coming. Does that make Yuki Saber, or does it make Haruhi Rin?
** To get in before anyone else says it, I demand fan art of Haruhi cosplaying as Rin Tohsaka.

[[WMG: Assuming Itsuki didn't lie then Kyon does have a special ability. He is the archetype of normal.]]

Essentially the opposite of Kyon = God theory. Kyon is so absolutely normal that he is immune to the larger reality warping. He is so normal that having a an "evil counterpart" in the Anti-SOS brigade would negate his normalness. So one one doesn't exist. His role is in being the embodiment of normal also means he is a reality anchor. He's the universe's own willing suspension of disbelief in flesh.

This doesn't mean he is God. The power is still in Haruhi/Sasaki/whoever. Closed spaces are just built up tension of said god powers trying to forcibly pull on the anchor. If the tension grows enough Kyon could/would/has been forcibly yanked along.

Hypothetical examples:
* The Anti-SOS Brigade need Kyon and Sasaki to agree on her becoming god again not because Kyon's the source of the powers, but her just spontaneously gaining godhood from Haruhi is just too strange with Sasaki. Any attempts would snap the powers back to Haruhi.
* In the school film things accelerate as Kyon gradually becomes used to things becoming out of control.
** If Haruhi can change things drastically as in the school film why the closed spaces? Because changes if done too rapidly hit a bottleneck. Closed spaces form when the current god's abilities begin to build up against Kyon's normalness.
* Itsuki is gradually adjusting Kyon to the strangeness as a form of defense. Imagine if Kyon got pulled into that closed space by himself with just Haruhi? Nervous break down and possible complete loss of disbelief. Letting Kyon in on the "gag" allows the anchor some slack in the tether.
* The Anti-Haruhi's closed spaces are happy because Kyon believes the world to not be that perfect. Haruhi's are heck with monsters because Kyon knows the world isn't that strange.


[[WMG:Kyon has skin cancer.]]
That's a big-ass mole on that neck of his. Was it even there before the island trip? If so, was it that big? Changes in size and shape, or appearance of new moles, may indicate melanoma, a very dangerous form of skin cancer.
* I believe the mole serves to show that Kyon is strait up lying when he tells Koizumi that he knew from the get go that the island trip was staged.

[[WMG:Kyon is narrating because he's relating the story over his blog.]]
The narration, the exaggeration, the fuzzy-edged-love-o-vision for Mikuru, and the fanservicey camera angles.
* And he's got hidden cameras everywhere club members are expected to be (small cameras all over the club room, looking out windows of their classrooms onto the quad and athletic fields, a remote-control camera facing the stairs and roof, a buttonhole camera sewn into Haruhi's hat during the baseball episode where she wouldn;t find it). This is why, in the episode where Kyon retrieves the heater, Yuki puts a book in her locker between the camera and Haruhi stripping down Mikuri and then pauses for nearly a minute (staring not at the book, but the camera). Itsuki may or may not be in on it, depending on whether the neckmole shot in the island episode was filmed on location or recreated. Mikuru almost definitely does not know.
* Alternatively...

[[WMG:Kyon is narrating because it's several years in to the future, Haruhi's power is discovered by the general population and Kyon is writing a book about how he came to know the girl with reality-warping powers.]]
Well, it's not entirely impossible.
* Jossed by Endless Eight, since he narrates loops that he wouldn't remember years later in the future.
** Not in the original short story; we only see the very last iteration.

[[WMG:Kyon is or will be the "slider".]]
This is the one Main/SpeculativeFiction trope Haruhi brings up in her opening speech that hasn't shown up yet. Several times in the novels, Kyon has [[Main/LampshadeHanging wondered]] when one of these guys is going to show up to complete the list. It also explains why all this weird stuff suddenly starts happening to him when he gets to High School (he [[Main/PubertySuperpower makes his first leap without realizing it]] and ends up in Dimension Haruhi), why he ends up in Haruhi's new universe when she starts creating it (survival instinct causes his powers to kick in), and finally [[spoiler: why he remembers the Haruhiverse when Yuki creates her new universe in ''Disappearance''. Yuki didn't actually change his history; he just Slid there. Again, a survival reflex action.]] Of course, Itsuki claims Kyon is perfectly normal, but can we really trust him? ....no.
* ''Alternatively, Haruhi has yet to make Kyon a Slider, but will.'' Aside from the main trio of supernatural characters Haruhi wanted to meet, interdimensional "sliders" are brought up. At one point in the novels, Kyon is impatient that a slider hasn't appeared yet. If Haruhi realizes (or already has realized) that Kyon is "John Smith", she may turn him into a slider. She has already been fed the identities of Itsuki, Yuki, and Mikuru, and the idea that Kyon is important in some way. "Slider" was the fourth type on her list, so she could conceivably decide that Kyon has a unique ability to jump between dimensions.
** And then there's that odd alpha/beta universe split in the latest novel, which has yet to be explained...
** Seriously, that practically proves the whole deal. There's past tense narration of two apparently parallel universes. It stands to reason that one Kyon will gain the memories of his other self. I think that it will manifest as an awareness of parallel selves and possibly the ability to switch with them.
** Methinks that the slider is already there, namely in the alpha-6 chapter, where Kyon [[spoiler: strangely miscounts the number of first years, and then describes a perfect first year who seems to be pure and innocent, as well as her unique feature of [[Main/ChekhovsGunman her hair curling up at the ends like a smiley face]]. Given that a girl who calls him senpai appears in alpha-1 chapter via telephone, and he doesn't recognise her, it does seem that she will be important.]]
*** Remember, friends! All good [[Main/FiveManBand Five Man Bands]] eventually get a Main/SixthRanger!
**** Tsuruya's already kind of the Sixth Ranger, though. She was even name an Honorary Member during the Snow Mountain Syndrome story. A second Sixth Ranger is hardly implausible, though...
***** Tsuruya isn't the Main/SixthRanger, she's the Main/EnsembleDarkhorse.
* Alternatively, an AlternateUniverse Kyon is the slider, and he will join [[spoiler: the Anti-SOS Brigade as the only EvilTwin of the group]]
* Kyon's ''father'' is the slider. Kyon's altogether too willing to accept the weirdness, his father's [[Main/ParentalAbandonment never seen or even hinted at existing in anime or novels]], and so obviously he's shoved off to another dimension and Kyon's mom just doesen't mention it to keep up appearances. The kids just take it in stride and say nothing.

[[WMG: Kyon is a slider from the world before 3 years ago.]]
Basically, he's the only one from that world that Haruhi saved because he believed in such things. He doesn't know it though since the world is more or less the same (just with a lot mroe hidden stuff).

[[WMG:Kyon is a telepath]]
This isn't the same thing as an Esper, unless Itsuki was lying. We see several instances of Kyon narrating or apparently thinking something...and then someone responds to it as if he had said it out loud. This makes sense when Haruhi does it, (she reads his thought bubbles?) but Kyon's [[Main/ThoseTwoGuys friends]] have done it at least once as well. This could dovetail into the "Kyon is really the god" theory.
* Fun fact! Originally in the writers notes, Kyon ''was'' going to be an Esper.
* Kyon's thoughts are also heard by others during flashbacks involving events that happened prior to three years ago which means his telepathy isn't caused by Haruhi.
** It's implied that the organization has serious material backing from Tsuruya's familiy, who are super wealthy. Arakawa and Mori are implied to have skills that you would not typically find in most of the civilian population. The organization probably has the means to initiate a private investigation of an individual.
* Kyon is also an UnreliableNarrator, so it is unclear how often his "thoughts" are actually thoughts and not spoken out loud.

[[WMG: The supernatural elements are Kyon's hallucinations.]]
They only show up after Nagato takes him home and talks at him. Thus, she slipped him something in the team and the supernatural elements are a result of mental trauma brought on by a somewhat unusual fetish on Yuki's part. Mikuru's in on it as well; her tea is also spiked.
* Let's take note of the intensely surreal graphics used during Yuki and Kyon's conversation, shall we?

[[WMG:Kyon is a manifestation of Haruhi's desire to have a normal life.]]
Kyon's sexy, fit, sensitive, helps those around him, doesn't leave friends behind ... and just ''happens'' to notice the lonely, unpopular, friendless geek sitting alone in the back of class ... and is just ''conveniently'' skeptical and blunt enough to bring Haruhi down from most of her crazy moments. While the rest of the SOS Brigade represent different forms of supernatural powers Haruhi wants to see in reality, Kyon is similarly a manifestation of (nearly) every little girl's dream to find someone to settle down with and have a storybook Happily Ever After.
* Gosh darn it, This troper was writing that fanfic.
** Tell [[{{Almafeta}} this troper]] when you're done, I'd like to read it.

[[WMG:Kyon's real given name is Kiyohiko]]
"Kyon" is "Kiyo" compressed into "Kyo" and with an -n added. The "-hiko" part is a common ending for male names.

[[WMG: Kyon is going to get sick of this nonsense.]]
No, not the fact that Time Travellers, Aliens, and Espers exist. He's fine with that. It's all the nonsense with secret societies and manipulation that hurts his friends. He's going to get ''mad.'' This will not be an unstoppable rage; but the righteous anger of one who knows exactly how the universe works.
* Goosebumps.
* Could that be the reason why [[http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4083/kyon8cj.jpg Kyon has hair]] reminiscent of a [[http://www.youngwriterssociety.com/ywsblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/character-juliuscaesar.jpg young Julius Caesar]]? As this Troper recalls, Caesar got sick of all the nonsense in Rome, and he led an army over the Rubicon.
* Kyon is a pretty impressive dude. He doesn't even attempt to influence Haruhi for his own benefit, not even indirectly, but when you threaten his friends he is ready, willing, and able to ''destroy the universe'' if that's what it takes. If he seriously goes on the warpath, ''nothing'' is going to stand in his way.
** IS going to, why not just is, I mean he did in essence make all of us go DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu to the IDE at the end of disappearance... I think he's really starting to get sick of the conspiracies and the whole bloody Masquerade.

[[WMG: Kyon's personality isn't really that different from Haruhi's; Sasaki influenced him so badly, that he became a DeadpanSnarker .]]
In the prolouge, Kyon even states, that he once was a bit like Haruhi is portrayed. But he stopped "being childish", hmmm.... around the same time, he made "friends" with Sasaki?!
To connect this with the "Haruhi and Kyon are both god" theory; I think, there are three godnesses:
Haruhi, Kyon and Sasaki.
Kyon is the one, who regulates between Sasaki and Haruhi, making one of the two always dominant.
Sasaki was always aware of her powers and realized, that the influence of Kyon, back then still very Haruhi-like, could change the universe in a way she doesn't want it to be, and therefore "deactivated" him, by feeding him her mind piece by piece. All she had to do, was attending the same cram school as him.
Her "plan", however, backfired, by surpressing his real wishes and personality under Sasaki's influence, she made his subcontious desires for the extraordinary even stronger, setting the "in charge for intergalactic reality-warping"-button in his mind on "Haruhi" by default.
This is the reason, why everybody wants Kyon on their side. If he ever gets really and completly convinced, that Sasaki was the better choice, she would automatically be the one in charge again.
* But, the Anti-SOS Brigade said that they need both Kyon and Sasaki's consent for her to regain her powers and Sasaki has flat out said that she can't handle them.

[[WMG: Kyon is related to Captain Picard.]]
They're both experts at the FacePalm! It has to be genetic!
* Wait, if Haruhi is Q...

[[WMG: The Computer Society President is related to Kyon]]
Either he's an unknown cousin, or a long-lost sibling. This is why his name is never heard, despite being a relatively important character; he's party to whatever bizarre tradition keeps us from knowing the real name of ''anyone'' in Kyon's family.
* Alternatively, The Computer Society President is the 'slider' and is actually Kyon from an AlternateUniverse.
** In that case, then a version of Kyon has in fact groped Mikuru. Unwillingly, but still.

[[WMG:Kyon and his sister aren't Japanese]]
They're either immigrants or the children of immigrants. Their real names have not been revealed to prevent that becoming known. Also, in one of the books, Kyon thinks John Smith would be a sensible alias; if he was Japanese, you'd think he'd go by Takeshi Kuroyama or something.
* I'll take this one step further...
* Who said he thought it was a ''sensible'' alias? He admits it's an alias almost immediately -- obviously he wasn't trying to convince her that John Smith is ''really'' his name.
** Even if he didn't chose "John Smith" as a sensible alias, it is still telling that it is the first alias that comes to his mind.
* His and his sister's real names are not revealed, not just to prevent readers from knowing they are immigrants, but to prevent Japanese from knowing they are immigrants: the Japanese can be quite xenophobic. Also explains their parents' absentee status.
* Might be a side effect of Koizumi and Kyon's character design switch: while Haruhi wants a mysterious transfer student, she gets the local Koizumi, who is an esper. Likewise, Kyon was originally meant to be the esper, but has been assigned the role of "foreigner with a mysterious name".
* Could explain Kyon's attachment to Mikuru: during Endless Eight, Mikuru makes comments to the effect of being surprised by "this time's" clothing/customs. Her status as a chronological immigrant prompts sympathy from Kyon, a geological immigrant.
* This, given this troper's understanding of Japanese "alphabetical order" conventions, is highly unlikely. Foreign names are written in katakana, which come ''after'' hiragana, and thus he'd introduce himself after all the Japanese students (including Haruhi).
** Who says his name has to be written in katakana?
** Keep in mind they were introducing themselves according to seat order, not alphabetical.
* He probably chose the name since he didn't want Haruhi to bump into someone with the same name in the intervening [[strike:three]] four years.

[[WMG:Kyon is Korean.]]
* This explains his Korean nickname, and the difficult (to the Japanese) nature of his real name.
** It also explains why Haruhi hasn't introduced him to her parents,and why he rarely sees his cousin.
*** The series is also set (though never explicitly) in the vicinity of Kobe and Osaka, which has an extremely high concentration of Koreans (both immigrants and those left over from Japan's colonial days). It's not impossible, and his nickname's quick spread among people around him could then be interpreted as using his stupid nickname in avoidance of outing him as an ethnicity that's rather disliked in some quarters of Japanese society.
*** Also explains why (in the novels) Taniguchi and Kunikida thought Kyon might be able to get extra kimchi at the cultural festival.

[[WMG: Kyon and his sister are only half-Japanese]]
He was born in the United States but his family moved back to Japan shortly before his sister was born. This explains some of his GratuitousEnglish and knowledge of western culture and could also explain his name (with an English first name, a middle name, and a Japanese surname. Or a Japanese first name and an English middle name and surname) which is reportedly regal sounding and hard to say. It also helps to frame his oft-mentioned hatred of his morning commute because when he was living in the states he took the bus to school. As to which of his parents is non-Japanese I offer no theories. It's possible he could simply resemble one over the other or half of his parentage is of a race that wouldn't give him any noticeable non-Asian or who is Asian but was born and raised in the States themselves for one or more generations. This is also the reason for his laid-back personality and his FirstNameBasis with Haruhi (using first names for classmates, especially ones who sit near you) is more common in American schools.


[[WMG: The world will become more supernatural/chaotic as Kyon continues to accept weirdness]]
Kyon is supposed to keep Haruhi's powers and emotions in check, but he's been slowly adapting to all the weirdness around him. Even more, he enjoys his exciting and abnormal life. As he stops wanting a normal reality, he won't put so much into keeping Haruhi stable. This is also why more supernatural characters and organizations come out of the woodwork as the novels progress. If Kyon is the RealityWarper instead of (or alongside) Haruhi, this still works just as well.

[[WMG:Kyon is KingArthur reborn]]
Assuming he's not Japanese, but his name ''is'' "regal sounding" and "hard to spell" (a detail from the novels, according to our own page on the series)... who's more regal than the Once and Future King himself? I don't know how you'd Japanize 'Arthur', though, so I can't say anything regarding how difficult it would be to spell. ''Kyon no Imouto'', of course, is Morgana. She was reborn some years after he was. What possible evidence could I have for this? RuleOfCool, man, RuleOfCool.
* According to one of those 'your name in Japanese' sites, Arthur would get pretty mangled in the translation process, with the result being pronounced 'Aasa'.
* But this would mean that [[FateStayNight Kyon is also Saber]]...which opens up a whole new level of disturbing implications.
** No no, that's the gender-flipped universe Kyonko who's Saber. In the Haruhi version of the universe, King Arthur is a male.
[[WMG: Kyon from the future did a massive XanatosGambit to ensure Haruhi Suzumiya gets her powers.]]
This is all based off speculation from the ninth novel: [[spoiler:There's one time loop that never got started, and that time loop is the one where Kyon paints the symbols on the field. Therefore, originally, that did not happen until time travel was created, and that point in time was the earliest necessary time to travel back to. In a previous time line, Sasaki was the real "goddess" so to speak. At this point, Sasaki wished that nothing spectacular would ever happen again, or perhaps that no love would ever occur. She believes love is poisonous and the world falls into a dull, lifeless place, all except for Kyon, the only person who she did not wish to or could not change. Kyon has been shown to be special in some way, perhaps he wrested control away from her and gave it to a chaotic love interest in the future, in other words Haruhi. Haruhi became self aware and wished for time traveling, and Kyon formed the SOS brigade in the future. He then used Future Mikuru and his past self to create a StableTimeLoop where Kyon transfers Sasaki's powers to himself the moment she gains her powers. It's possible Haruhi from the future wished that she would have a normal high school life. Note that this could also give the other two of Sasaki's followers motivations. Kuyoh doesn't want mystical things to exist and Fujiwara hates time traveling.]]
* Er...what? All I got out of that was some confusion between "the event" 3YA and Tanabata 3YA, and Haruhi didn't really ''need'' Kyon to paint the symbols for her.

[[WMG: Kyon is TheNostalgiaCritic.]]
Seriously. Just give Kyon glasses and a goatee, throw that signature hat on him, and there you go.

[[WMG: Kuyoh is evolving!]]

A interesting theory, quoted from Animesuki:

[[spoiler:Kuyoh seems to be able to mimic and absorb the other interface's abilities.]]

[[spoiler:At first, she seemed to be like a lowgrade Yuki, barely able to assert any comprehensive sentance. But after the contact with Kimidori in the cafe, her linguistic skills took a sudden leap. The more time she spent near Asakura, the better and better she got, to where she even mimiced her smile. Why did she attack Kyon? Because Asakura was. Kimidori's presence probably nuetralized some of that hostility, but if the DITE doesn't do something quick, Kuyoh's going to have all the capabilities of all their interfaces.]]

[[spoiler:Upon further reflection, her starting point probably WAS due to the brief period in Snow Mountain, where the Canopy Domain got a glimpse of Yuki. (Hence the stoic face, the broken sentances, and the attraction to Kyon.]]

[[WMG: Kyon isn't nearly as infatuated with Mikuru as he claims]]
His seeming obsession with her is just an odd way of denying (to the readers, or to himself) that he's in love with Haruhi. This troper finds that the constant praise Mikuru gets from him is a bit much. Of course, this only works if the above theory is true
** It seems possible that he exaggerates how he feels. There are lots of different kinds of attraction. Perhaps he's most physically attracted to Mikuru. How often does he talk about her as a person besides that she's cute? He has no confidence in her abilities or reliability. So maybe he's infatuated, but recognizes it as such and doesn't put much credence in the idea of a relationship beyond flirting.
*** Subpoint to avoid gigantic paragraphs, possibly Mikuru figures this out and was more attracted than he was, resulting in future Mikuru's 'affectionate' behavior and urge for him not to get too close to Mikuru.
*** This troper points out that Mikuru is also a much more normal crush to have than Haruhi. She fits in very nicely with the ideal Japanese woman. Haruhi, of course, is much more unusual.
*** This troper would also like to remind other tropers that, despite his erudite prose, '''[[UnreliableNarrator Kyon is 16]]'''. He's practically bound to exaggerate any sort of attraction to a "safe" girl like Mikuru to the logical extreme, while in Haruhi's case, he goes to the same extreme lengths to ''deny'' an attraction that obviously makes him uncomfortable. I mean, ''surely'' most of the people reading this have been through that age, judging by the TroperDemographics...
**** This troper remembers being a teenage boy, and thinks that Kyon likes both, but for different reasons. Mikuru for the 'really cute older girl with a rack you can lose change in' side of things, and Haruhi for the 'interesting girl my age with a nice ass' angle.
**** In addition to all the above, Kyon has been under peer pressure from Tanaguchi and Kunakida (sp) since first meeting Haruhi to not get too interested in her, in defiance of this he still made a more than 'just being friendly' effort to get to know her. On finally cracking Haruhi's icey persona he then goes about trying to prove to all concerned that he isn't interested which definitely points to a genuine crush rather than a safe but distant infatuation that he shows towards Mikuru.

[[WMG:Kyon's real name is Lawrence.]]
This is an expansion on the above theory about Kyon not being Japanese. Haruhi at one point mentions that Kyon's real name is hard to say, and Lawrence would be hard for a Japanese person to pronounce. It also brings to mind TE Lawrence, of ''LawrenceOfArabia'' fame, a British soldier who wielded considerable power in the Middle East during his lifetime and which ties in somewhat with the statement that Kyon has a 'regal-sounding' name.
* This Troper is well acquainted with the theory that Lawrence is Lelouch, but for first time sees a theory that Kyon is Lawrence. Also, Horo is Haruhi? Damn. It actually makes sense, imagine what happens if Haruhi becomes infatuated with the middle ages? Then the shepherd girl is Mikuru.

[[WMG: Kyon, who is a slider, comes actually from another universe. And was adopted.]]
It's all a LaserGuidedAmnesia. In the universe, where Kyon came from, Sasaki was "god", but Kyon rebeled and wanted to get Haruhi from the other universe to fight Sasaki, however, Sasaki managed to erase his memory before he could escape. That's why Kyon's the only one Haruhi's power don't seem to have an as great effect on. Now, Sasaki trying to get him away from Haruhi, before the memory-drain wears of and he can call her in as Sasaki-destruction weapon.
* So, why did she tell Kyon she doesn't want her powers back, and that she couldn't handle them if she did get them back?
** She was lying?
** She wasn't the same Sakaki as the one from his old universe, but merely had similar memories? The data explosion and time rift could have been thanks to two of a single new being simultaneously appearing in the universe (one of the Slider Kyon and one of Kyon travelling to that time). Unless I've got the timing wrong.

[[WMG: Kyon is the only truly normal person in the entire world.]]
Two possibilities under this possibility: Their powers are dormant, and need to be unlocked by Haruhi. Or, they all know about their powers, but not that ''everyone'' has powers; therefore, they gather in small groups that attempt to hide their powers from others. Kyon is normal he is the counterpart to Haruhi; while she is unique because she controls the powers of everyone in the world, he is unique because she has no control over him.
** By definition, wouldn't that make him the only special person then? But seriously, the idea that her power does not work on him is interesting, it explains his disinterest in her no matter what she does (except when she's genuinely being a decent person like with ENOZ) despite the fact that she clearly DOES want something from him.

[[WMG: Kyon was also at the Game three years ago.]]
Either directly behind Haruhi or at the same location on the 1st base line, most likely.
* I lost the Game.
* Given some of the insane time loops I wouldn't be surprised if the Kyon from that time frame was behind her, the present Kyon was at the 1st base line and a Kyon from the future was actually playing the game in some capacity.

[[WMG: Kyon's real name is Genghis]]
Or perhaps the name of one of the other Khans. As they ruled a large portion of Asia, it definitely qualifies as regal sounding, and the jump from Khan to Kyon is an easy one to make.
* Which would explain why he introduces himself as thus to avoid ridicule to have the same name as a popular lamb dish.

[[WMG: Kyon doesn't realise Haruhi's feelings for him because she doesn't want him to]]
It would explain why Kyon, whos shown how intuitive on feelings and motives previously just doesn't seem to get it.
* He notices, he's just in denial. At least, that's my interpretation.

[[WMG: The SOS Brigade and Haruhi are all Kyon's imaginary friends. The real events take place in:]]
[[spoiler: Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends. Kyon is in fact Mac.]]


[[WMG: Fujiwara is future Kyon.]]
Both Kyon and Fujiwara use obviously fake names when they time travel, and both have acted against Mikuru's organization.
* A powerful sometimes-foe is a more cynical version of the lead male...this sounds [[FateStayNight suspiciously familiar.]]
** According to another popular theory, it'd mean Fujiwara just treats Mikuru harshly because she's his sister, and she decided to opt for the "wrong" side, then... It seems to make sense. And would make even more sense that he want to stop time travels altogether because he probably screwed something. Or Mikuru.


[[WMG:Kyon really ''is'' John Smith.]]
That was his actual name he gave to Haruhi during ''Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody''. He only told her it was an alias to throw of the scent. As mentioned on the main paige, Kyon's last name probably starts with "S" or "Ta", and is is "hard to spell" and "regal sounding." John Smith is hard to spell in Japanese letters[[hottip:* :Would it be "Jan" or "Jon"? And "Sumisu", "Sumiisu", "Sumizu", "Sumiizu"...]], the last name beigins with S, and it probably sounds regal and exotic to a Japanese native (Or, well, at least exotic. Cliche to a westerner, unusual in Japan). This is why Kyon's real name is never menioned- it would trigger [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt you-know-what]] if Haruhi ever caught on.
* I was under the impression than Haruhi and most of the other characters know Kyon's real name, but don't use it. It's possible that other characters introduced later in the series have only heard him referred to as "Kyon," but Haruhi was there when he introduced himself in front of class at the very beginning of the series. He says that he doesn't like his nickname, so he probably wouldn't use it when introducing himself.
** It's possible Haruhi wasn't listening during class introductions, and was just waiting for her turn to speak. She already knows some of the people in that is in her class (Taniguchi).

[[WMG: The [[spoiler:"slider"]] in book nine was Kyonko.]]
Kyon noted that the voice was feminine and had a familiar manner of speaking to someone he already knew. He said it sounded like his sister, which would seem to indicate a younger version of Kyonko. Senpai also could hint that she is a younger version of him. She said "it's me!" to avoid a name, and as we know, Kyon has never introduced himself as Kyon. Also she hinted that he already knew her, so if they were the same person, he wouldn't recognize her while technically knowing her.

[[WMG:Kyon is a closet DoctorWho fan]]
"John Smith". Enough said.
* Because of this, he likes Time Travel, which explains why he likes Mikuru so much. He wants to be her companion!
* Or better yet he is a recent regenaration of the Doctor, hence he is a timelord (someone had to say it!)

[[WMG:Kyon's Mole in Lone Island Syndrome is a plot point.]]

In Snow Mountian Syndrome, [[spoiler: Kyon was visited by what appeared to be Mikuru during the night, but the real Mikuru's star shaped mole was absent, thus revealing the fake. Now, Itsuki was visited by what appeared to be Kyon and... well... see where I'm going with this? What would be a perfect way, in the anime, to tell a fake Kyon from the real one? THE MOLE!!!!]] Yes, at long last, this may have been solved.
* Holy fuck this makes so much sense. More sense then Endless Eight at least.
* Also, makes sense in the fact that the chapters are basically mirrors of each other.
* Does this mean that they will actually show us [[spoiler:the fake Kyon in Itsuki's room, doing those "things that [the real Kyon] wouldn't do"]]? * {{squee}}!*

[[WMG: Kyon has the power of free will]]
Most people act how Haruhi wishes, outside of Kyon and Yuki. Kyon often hangs around Haruhi, and things seem to originate from him, even if they are not manipulated by him. Haruhi isolated herself, until Kyon motivated her to break out of her prescripted isolation. He is close to Yuki and Koizumi, so both of them are able to take initiative from their respective niches, organizations and Haruhi's own powers. Notice that often Haruhi tends to get information from Yuki when Kyon is not around, but when he is around, she only reacts to him, since Kyon grants her the will to disobey. Koizumi obeys Haruhi at face value, but his intentions are not to give her something extraordinary, but something ordinary. In Disappearance [[spoiler: Yuki defies Haruhi and her organization to be with Kyon, and then Kyon defies the new universe so that he can return to the old one.]]

Additionally, Koizumi said that nobody in his group had ever tried to kill Haruhi, obviously she would not like that, so none of them had the free will to do so. Asakura did absolutely nothing until Kyon triggered a reaction in Haruhi. This could be thre reason that [[spoiler: the Anti-SOS brigade is trying to get close to him, so that they can have the will to defy Haruhi and give the powers to Sasaki. This could have been the reason Sasaki lost these powers in the first place, since Kyon was around her, she had the will to give up her powers.]]
[[WMG:Kyon is really Nagaru Tanigawa]]
and Nagaru Tanigawa is a slider who narrates his experience with Haruhi in this universe.
* Think about the class introductions at the beginning of Melancholy. The boys and girls are each arranged alphabetically at that point. "Tanigawa" fits correctly into where Kyon is sitting (behind Taniguchi but before Suzumiya). Of course, so does "Smith" (Sumisu)...

[[WMG:Kyon isn't normal, he never was normal, and he knows it.]]
He is one of the following:

A silder: He comes from an alternate universe that speaks a different language, but he used a slider ability to translate everything he says and hears into english. The dimension is just like ours, but everyone can 'slide' and there is only one language.

A kinetic: He has the ability to manipulate some kind of kinetic ability(telekinesis, biokineisis etc) which he will have to use.

[[WMG: Kyon is in an asylum.]]
This is all the ramblings of an otherwise bright young man who thinks one of his classmates is God, that another is a time-traveler from the future, another is a cyborg, another is an esper, and that ''he'' might actually be God. His classmates, teachers and family first started noticing ominous signs when he started talking to himself. Then one day the poor guy just had a breakdown. "OKAY, I ADMIT IT!!! YOU'RE ''GOD'', SUZUMIYA-SAMA!!! GO AHEAD AND RECREATE REALITY IF YOU WANT!!! OR IS IT ''I'' WHO AM? Maybe we ''both'' are! [[WeCanRuleTogether We can rule together]]! BOW BEFORE ME, MORTALS!!! OR FACE OUR WRATH!!! FACE OUR WRAAAAAATH!!! WA-HA-HA-HAAAA!!!"
* Doctors cite the stress of high school life, his frustrated attraction to three girls (and [[HoYay one]] [[BiTheWay guy]]), and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking a lack of fiber in his diet]].
** No, no, remember it's a lack of CALCIUM that's the cause of all of Kyon's problems.

[[WMG: Kyon is suffering from hallucinations]]
Kyon, a perfectly normal boy, meets with Haruhi, a little strange but otherwise normal girl on their first day of school. All other characters are just other students or people Kyon runs into. Yuki is a quiet bookworm. Mikuru is the cute upperclassman. Koizumi is the mysterious exchange student and so on. However, Asakura (another normal classmate of his) becomes increasingly jealous of Kyon's relationship with Haruhi. So she lures him into an empty classroom after school to kill him. Fortunately, Yuki, Asakura's roommate, finds out just in time and manages to stop her. But Kyon is so emotionally scarred from the trauma that he retreats into his own world.


[[WMG: The entire SOS Brigade is in love with Kyon.]]
Haruhi loves Kyon, he was the only person she cared about and he is the only person who can change her mind. She's too stubborn to admit it. Mikuru shares Kyon's feelings and likes him back, but can't be with him because she's a time traveler. Yuki loves Kyon, but is only allowed to observe. To get together with him, she [[spoiler: Recreated the universe so they could be together.]] Itsuki is AmbiguouslyGay and has lots of HoYay with Kyon. Kyon loves Kyon very much.
* I don't think that much of a wild guess at all. It's almost blatantly obvious that everyone's into Kyon.

[[WMG: The reason Kyon's grades are so bad is because Haruhi wanted them to be]]
Kyon's wittiness was making her feel stupid, so she promptly rearranged the universe so that he needed her help on his schoolwork, just so that she could nurture her self-esteem and spend more time around him at once.
* He DOES refer to exam week by saying, "This is the time of year when the teachers mark my answers wrong" (rather than, "when I get the answers wrong.") Granted, he was making a joke, but still...

[[WMG: It's all an elaborate prank/experiment being played/run on Kyon.]]
He originally attended schools for {{Muggles}}, and then as of joining High School they added a half dozen to 2+ years of metaprodigies- or rather, "normals", since it's people ''without'' powers who are unusual. This is why he transferred from wherever he did: They didn't have enough normal people in the country's primary ethnic group to fill a high school, so they had to ship him to Japan, and it's lucky they didn't have to teach him English or Spanish and ship him to the west.

[[WMG: Kyon is quite intelligent but has ADD or something similar]]
Alright, not as earthshaking as the "Kyon is God" theories, but consider it. His narration is [[GeniusBonus peppered with allusions to science, mythology, mathematics, literature, history, and everything else under the sun]]. He says he read voraciously as a young child, even though his performance in school makes him out to be BookDumb. In the seventh book, he even spends a few paragraphs just talking about how impossible it is to pay attention in class. As soon as some sensei tries to make him sit down and pay attention, his brain disengages and goes somewhere else. He probably gets all his allusions from tv documentaries and [[WikiWalk Wiki Walks]] pursued at his leisure as his interest and focus allows. It explains why Kyon can sound so educated and get such horrible grades, anyway.

[[WMG:Kyon is deliberately ObliviousToLove]]
...because he can't conceive of being attracted to such a, well, sociopath. He is horrified that part of him is attracted anyway, despite all she's done, so he's heavily into denial and trying to persuade himself that nice, safe, sweet Mikuru is the girl for him.
* Haruhi density is that doesn't quite 'get' the give and take of romance. Her attraction manifests as,"NO-ONE plays with my pet and lives."


[[WMG: Kyon is the designated lover of Haruhi]]
Yuki and her group view Haruhi as a specimen that would be the key to evolution.
Mikuru and Co. look at Haruhi as an anomaly in the space time continium.
Itsuki and his espers (mostly) view her as some sort of God.
All these view points beg to ask the question "How does Kyon view Haruhi in the end?". Since she has some feeling for him that makes him something of a potential male lover (considering she is pretty much Bi).

[[WMG: The story will turn in a war between Kyon vs everyone else]]
The groups that are becoming more prominently in his life will eventually start to pressure Kyon to make a choice. They might even go so far as to threaten him violently. Under this pressure Kyon will snap, TakeAThirdOption, and fight all these syndicates. Kyon will prove to be an effective tactician like Light, to make up for his lack of book smartness. This war seems pretty do-able considering he has two reality warping deities that are under his influnce- Yuki and Haruhi.

[[WMG: [[spoiler:Beta-Kyon will turn "evil]]]]

[[spoiler: He will give in to the offer of Kyouko to save Nagato (or so he thinks). But Alpha-Kyon finally has met the person, who can travel trough parallel worlds, breaks into the beta-storyline and does that he can do best: KICKING HIS OWN ASS! ]]

[[WMG: Kyon isn't God, but makes other people God]]
Kyon gives other people the ability to have godlike powers as his way of expressing his desire for the extraordinary while remaining ordinary himself. From Kyon's point of view, the order of people Kyon meets who have God-Potential are Sasaki, Haruhi, then Yuki. Upon meeting Sasaki, Kyon gives her God powers, but through time-travel-ret-conning, Haruhi becomes God when Kyon visits her "3 Years Ago", and stops Sasaki from ever becoming God. Finally, Kyon is the one that enables Yuki to become God, as he begins to feel pity for her, and becomes closer to her. Haruhi then regains her powers due to Kyon's actions. This may also be way the Anti-SOS Brigade is so actively trying to persuade Kyon to their side. If Kyon becomes closer to Sasaki than Haruhi, then perhaps godhood will be switched over.
* Kyon is a [[CodeGeass Code Bearer]]?

[[WMG: Kyon is a ManipulativeBastard]]
He is already controlling everyone. This is not even a guess, we ''know'' that he is witholding significant information not justfrom Haruhi, but from Asahina as well. (the fact that they are recieving orders from her adult self.) and plans to use these as trump cards. It was also implied that he is trusted with the key of Nagato's power in case he would go ''Disappearance'' again. Koizumi is his last obstacle. Once he gets a similar trump card against Koizumi, he will start grinning, and comment that that everything is [[DeathNote “Just as planned”]].

[[WMG:Kyon is dead, and 'Alpha' and 'Beta' Kyon don't really exist.]]
The only way in which both paths could 'exist' canonically would be if there was multiple Kyons-therefore, Kyon is dead.
In fact, Kyon died on the island, which is why he was so shocked to see the murder from outside of his body. In order to stop the universe caving in on itself, he posessed Haruhi in her sleep in order to hijack Haruhi's powers subconsciously, allowing him to rewrite reality somewhat so the murder was a fake-however, his own acceptance of his death has prevented him from reviving himself. As the series moved on, Kyon has only existed at all because Haruhi has believed in his existance and his stand-in has been reflecting his currently personality. This was why Kyon could not be copied and made part of the Anti SOS brigade- they were trying to copy a ''puppet'' which never really existed in the first place. This also explains why there is no romance in the show besides hints of Kyon/Haruhi-everyone else knows he's a dead man walking. However, the ''puppet'' begins to gain some sentinence, with Kyon losing control of it. Therefore, Kyon is forced to control Haruhi again to create 'Beta' Kyon. Due to the duplicate doom syndrome, however, he is forced to use her powers to create another dimension. This alternate dimension is ultimately doomed due to duplicate syndrome, which is why there will only be one book 10 instead of two.

[[WMG: Kyon drains [[PhysicalGod powerful reality warpers' powers.]]]]
Sasaki was originally like Haruhi but after her first contact with Kyon (long, long before they knew each other) she began to lose her abilities until all she could do was create static bubbles. With it went her emotions and any trace of creativity. Eventually Haruhi will suffer the same fate. Kyon uses the powers he gains to make sure that StatusQuoIsGod, holding humanity back.
Therefore, if Asakura were to have killed Kyon then the world would have moved forwards, towards Mikuru's time. All in all, unless someone kills Kyon, humanity is stuck, Mikuru can never be born or come back in time, and the UnreliableNarrator is also secretly a VillainProtagonist.

[[WMG: An alternate dimension Kyon edited the SOS Brigade movie.]]
Notice how, in the actual movie, Kyon doesn't seem to have any idea what's going on. Even though he was the cameraman, he's always asking "why does the camera keep going up for no reason?" Couple this with how we know that Kyon didn't ''actually'' edit the movie, and it's the only logical explanation. Even crazier possibility- one Kyon did the visuals while another did the narration. It would explain why the narrator of the movie is as confused as everyone else.

[[WMG: There will be NO SLIDERS, because Kyon created a StableTimeLoop]]
When Haruhi met John Smith, he said he met time travelers, espers, aliens, but no sliders. So when Haruhi recreated the universe, she went of what he said and created time travelers, espers, aliens, BUT NO SLIDERS! So Kyon never met any, so he goes back in time and tells her that, so she never makes any, so he never meets any, and so on.
* Kyon didn't go back in time to before she altered/created/recreated the universe. Mikuru says that Haruhi is an anamoly that they are investigating that makes it impossible for them to travel back any further then three years ago. the time to when they did go back probably just after she did her thing to the universe.

[[WMG: The mole in Remote Island Syndrome ''was'' a clue that Kyon was lying about having figured out the plot immediately...]]
But only because [[TheMole he was in on it the whole time, even before anything remotely suspicious happened]] (which do you think Haruhi would find more entertaining, having an enjoyable island vacation with the risk of being stuck inside because of a storm, or having an enjoyable island vacation with the risk of being stuck inside because of a storm ''and'' a murder mystery?). [[FamilyUnfriendlyViolence That]]'s the real reason he didn't want his little sister along.

[[WMG: Kyon and Haruhi didn't kiss in the [[spoiler: Closed space,]] ''[[UnreliableNarrator They had sex.]]'']]
* The reason he didn't tell us? Because he wants to keep his sex life to himself, thank you, and the excess ShipTease would drive fans over the edge.
** That wouldn't be ShipTease, that would be consummation. With the risk of ShippingBedDeath.

[[WMG: Kyon is unique in all dimensions.]]
A time traveler, an alien and an esper were sent by organizations of time travelers, aliens and espers, in a conveniently close timeframe of the beginning of the SOS Brigade. Itsuki has told Kyon that he's irreplaceable while another esper, time traveler or alien could be sent if any of them are removed. No such slider organization is represented here. There won't be any other sliders in any other world, or any Kyon, so the movie could as easily have been in an alternate dimension rather than an overwritten one. Kyon is only going to discover this after he starts traveling inter-dimensionally, becoming the slider -- if he isn't already.

[[WMG: Kyon's real name is [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8pu59pFyNU Crispin Freeman.]]]]
This makes more sense than it should. It's hard-ish to pronounce for Japanese (Kurisupin Furiiman or something) but sounds kind of regal, and starts with a "ku" sound which could easily mutate into "Kyon".

[[WMG: Kyon will punch Itsuki at some point.]]
Just compare their English voice actors. [[{{Durarara}} I will wait.]]

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[[folder:WMG Kyon is God]]
[[WMG:It isn't really Haruhi who is [[Main/AGodAmI unconsciously a god]], but Kyon.]] Haruhi is either an aspect of his personality, or a convenient person to work his power through. Note his dialogue at the beginning of the series; he once wanted to believe in time travel, aliens, and espers, but has learned to suppress it. Having someone ''else'' have god-like powers to create these things allows him denial.
* This is actually supported by the introduction of eccentric yet sane Main/GenkiGirl Sasaki -- Kyon's middle-school friend and the reason for Kunikida's ''"Kyon has a history of liking strange girls"'' -- in volume 9, who [[spoiler:the anti-SOS brigade insist is the ''real'' and original god before her powers were somehow shifted to Haruhi]]. Suspicious.
** Even more suspicious once you realize [[spoiler: that despite being [[EvilCounterpart Evil Counterparts]] to the SOS Brigade, there is no Counterpart for Kyon and that their main goal is to ''make Kyon join them.'']] I think they know something we don't.
* Why would Kyon do this? Because Haruhi is unpredictable. That quality is ''gold'' to an omniscient being; being able to control everything is boring. Sure, giving her the power means constantly having to run around keeping her from destroying reality; but Kyon will never, ever be bored.
* In this light, Itsuki the Esper is the Skeptic. Note the capital S; he is either trying to get Kyon to admit his role, or at least deconstruct the "rules" of Kyon's creation. Kyon's counter to this is Haruhi; the Unpredictable One. In the novels, Kyon commented that Itsuki's playing a role in ''Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead'' was "very appropriate, even though he had never seen the play that was a deconstruction of that British playwright's, whoever he was." Blocking Itsuki's attempts to deconstruct his reality is a game to him.
* Nagato the Alien, on the other hand, believes in Kyon's given reality and in Kyon the Character so much that Kyon the god feels really, really guilty about it. In the fourth novel, upon Nagato getting the power to rewrite reality, she does so in accordance to what Kyon the Character has stated he wants it to be; that is, "normal." He had to "break his own personal moral code" and gently tell her the truth; he wants things to be crazy. Realizing that being an [[Main/EmotionlessGirl alien to humanity]] makes Nagato unhappy, it seems the plot, AKA Kyon, is taking steps for her Main/ToBecomeHuman. Itsuki has directly commented on this.
** Keep in mind, Kyon or Haruhi, the god involved is not aware of having the powers...
*** Not necessarily. Maybe Kyon is God, he knows that and is even more of an UnreliableNarrator than we thought.
* This troper had the exact same idea, and is really glad someone else did, too. Having read most of the light novel translations, I honestly believe this is where the story is going. Keep in mind that Kyon wanted to believe in aliens, espers, and time travel back in high school, but gave it up to turn "normal" -- which would be placed at around... 3 years before the series started. Think about it. He wants to meet Espers, Aliens, and Time Travelers, and, subconsciously, wants to meet other people who are interested in the same things. 3 years ago, this comes to a head -- he creates Espers, Aliens, Time Travelers, and a person just as interested in them as he is, Haruhi. Suddenly he's interacting with EA&TT every single day, he's going on crazy adventures, and he's got a cute assertive girl driving said adventures that embodies his own drive for fantastic adventures -- as well as his own childish innocence. The fact that she's extremely attractive and falling in love with him doesn't hurt, either.
** In addition, his life now contains three very attractive girls, two of whom have some very [[LesYay interesting]] interactions with each other, almost all of which he gets to observe. He even says when Yuki loses her glasses "I never had a glasses fetish anyway". Kyon as subconscious YuriFanboy[=/=]CovertPervert makes a lot more sense than Haruhi as YaoiFangirl, considering she's hardly ever around when Itsuki is being a little more ambiguous. (Itsuki coming onto Kyon only when Haruhi isn't around is also far better explained by "Kyon subconsciously likes guys but doesn't want Haruhi to find out" than "Haruhi wants an AmbiguouslyGay character".)
* The thing that really proves this one for me is that in the Rampage of Haruhi of Suzumiya, when the SOS brigade is [[spoiler:trapped in an endless summer it only ends when Kyon does his homework. Sure they explain it as Haruhi wanting to have a perfect summer vacation which includes the group homework cram but it seemed to me that Itsuki was really clutching at straws to explain it. If you look at it from the point of view that the reason the summer loops is because God does not want to go back to school with homework not done makes far more sense.]]
** This troper feels that it was simply [[spoiler: Haruhi trying to give Kyon more time to do his homework.]]
*** But Haruhi did not know that [[spoiler: Kyon had not done his homework. If we accept that the reason for the loop was Kyon's homework as opposed to Haruhi's complete summer experience, then we must also accept that Kyon caused it because he's the only person who knew his homework was not done]]
**** Unless [[spoiler: the reason for the loop was because Haruhi had wanted to visit Kyon's house during the summer vacation and used Kyon's declaration of his unfinished homework as an excuse to have a 'study group' at his place.]]
*** Or that she wanted a definitive finishing task. Otherwise they're just playing around and not getting to anything, leaving an incomplete feeling leading Haruhi to want to continue. If they finish up Kyon's homework, the games have been set aside and Haruhi no longer feels that everything should continue like that.
*** It doesn't even need to be a definite finishing task. It plainly sucks doing nothing on your last day of vacation.
* This troper thinks that rather than being God himself and bestowing powers on others, Kyon is the ultimate quantum observer, and Haruhi's powers only work because he is there to observe them. That's why when everyone was suspiciously appropriately cast in the amateur movie, he was the cameraman.
** This would also explain how the weird piece of metal that Kyon found (that the Time Travelers asked him to hide from Haruhi) has been [[Main/{{Foreshadowing}} foreshadowed]] to be somehow able to bind Data Entities after Kyon hears Tsuruya speculate that it may be a piece of technology from an ancient civilization....even though the physical affecting data entities ''makes no sense'' with what we've heard so far. He heard her say it and "charged" the statement by Observing it.
*** Not only that, but Kyon has also Observed the Founder of Main/TimeTravel have his "Apple Falling Off The Tree" moment.
** "Suspiciously appropriate"? It's not very suspicious when Kyon outright told Haruhi who was what after they got back from being TrappedInAnotherWorld. She had a bad attack of WrongGenreSavvy, claiming that there was no way she'd just stumble upon what she was looking for ''that'' easily. Too bad she didn't know that was the premise and not the plot.
** You just blew my mind.
** So, Haruhi is the actual Schrödinger's cat?
** You know with all the other GeniusBonus stuff in there this might make actual sense, however in this case it might be more along the lines of Schrödinger's Schoolgirl.
* This troper has a specific spin on it. The god's powers are manifestations of the subconscious expectations or desires of the god, therefore if Kyon, as a god, traveled back in time with the subconscious expectation that Haruhi had godlike powers, that would cause Haruhi to become god upon his arrival 'three years ago', thus creating a situation where Haruhi has godlike powers so Itsuki can tell Kyon that she is god, thus giving him his subconscious expectation that causes her to gain the powers in the first place and oh dear I've gone cross-eyed...
* Alternatively, you could say that Kyon was always the God, but when he learned to suppress his desire for a world filled with aliens, ghosts, psychics and time travelers, he managed to find a girl who just happened to openly wish for the same thing. Thus, he endowed Haruhi with divine powers. Thus, Haruhi's influence allows for a world where supernatural stuff does exist, while Kyon's influence prevents the world from becoming too weirdo.
* Or, to get Gnostic, Kyon is God, and Haruhi is the Demiurge... Wait, that doesn't work. Kyon is {{Jesus}} to Haruhi's Demiurge.
* Questions: If Kyon is the real god, what is it with that event 3 or 4 years ago when Haruhi (supposedly) recreated the universe? That Haruhi couldn't have had powers back then - Then it would basically have to be Kyon from the "present" timeline who visited her and helped her with that sign thingy. But wouldn't that create a paradox if he transferred his powers to her? And even if he had kept the powers to himself all the time, that would be even weirder because then the whole time-loop problem and the solution of it wouldn't make sense (Oh and the climax of the first chapter wouldn't either ^^). So he obviously must have transferred it to her. But that can't be because of said paradox. Besides, the Data Entity or rather Yuki said they found that godlike power in Haruhi! (And apparently they know of all timelines or something like that) Now of course they could lie to him, but why would they do that.. I don't think Kyon is the true god (although it would be a sick and awesome twist) unless someone of you could explain the arising plotholes of the theory ^^ But Its still possible that he has ''some'' kind of power.. I just say "slider".. And the 9th novel.. that mindscrewing thing..
** Well, if Kyon is the true god, then he can make whatever the hell he wants happen. So basically, an explanation for all that you just put forth is "Because he is god, he can make it happen"
** No. Haruhi's powers aren't ultimate either. It still wouldn't explain how he can be god when another person created the world (and him) 3 years ago.
** Who says the world was created three years ago, much less by Haruhi? That is just a "theory" by someone who has been called untrustworthy by the other two members of the cast. But it is noteworthy that none can be trusted - we cannot assume that any of their words are true. Indeed, Nagato even points this out to Kyon - the only reason he "knows" what he knows is because he believed what they had told him but, as she herself points out, none of them have proven anything. Heck, this whole section is predicated on the idea that they are actually deific beings, something only one of them claims.
*** And even he claims later he's not entirely sure of that, but that is the official party line.
* All this troper has to say on the matter is this: The Unreliable Author has been screwing around with us from the beginning Chris Carter style. Chances are pretty good he's making things up as he goes along (tough to find a JMS who has actually thought things through). Authors are infamous for {{Ass Pull}}s. Hell, for all we know, Kyon and the rest of the gang are actually the real final five. Bottom line, most of the theories on this page are equally supportable until the Author decides to make one of them canon.
* Well... maybe they're both gods? Equal and opposite beings, with Haruhi representing Chaos and Kyon representing Order. When the series just began, he was giving up on his dreams of encountering aliens, espers and such, and if he is a real god, then the act of giving up on these things would probably make them disappear, but Haruhi intervened and changed things. And while Haruhi would erase reality over spilled milk if left to her own devices, Kyon keeps her from doing so. So Haruhi keeps Kyon from making the world stagnant and dull, while Kyon keeps Haruhi from randomly reshaping it to suit her whims every other week. It's a [[Main/OrderVersusChaos balance thing.]]
** I think Kyon is already Balance, it's Sasaki who is Order to the point of stifling. Or possibly the two of them are making worse a war in Kyon's own mind over the subject.
*** Or maybe Kyon gave Haruhi power to overcome the effect Sasaki had on Kyon.
* So, he was using Sasaki as a sort of Main/AuthorAvatar throughout the time he knew ''her'', but once he lost touch with her and found Haruhi, not only did he subconsciously transfer the powers (or at least the Avatar status, since he still kept the actual ''powers'' to himself) to Haruhi, he also unleashed a sort of cosmic Main/RetCon to make it look like she'd always had them. This actually presents a much more logical explanation for many things...
* Some evidence I came up with to support this theory after reading it: the mole on Mikuru's breast. She didn't even notice it until Kyon pointed it out. The reason? It wasn't there until Kyon put it there to give himself a reason to see more of her cleavage.
** This is also why he made Haruhi the [[Main/RapeAsComedy comedic version]] of a Main/DepravedBisexual. He really enjoys watching Haruhi molest Mikuru but the gentlemanly side of him can't admit that (that's obvious just from his Internal Monologues), so he subconsciously wills Haruhi to do it ''against'' his token protests. This way, he is free to enjoy the sights while convincing himself he's not responsible for her getting treated this way.
* The A and B stories in Volume 9 could be due to Kyon himself being momentarily unable to decide how that story should end, so he leaves his options open.
** That makes just as much sense as any other explanation for Volume 9...
*** To really take things to the WMG extreme, perhaps the apparent lack of a volume 10 (and the fact that volume 9 ends abruptly in the middle of the story) is because he decided the entire story was stupid and therefore stopped writing it.
* An interesting idea this troper does not really believe, Kyon ''was'' the god, until he unintentionally and unknowingly passed on them some years back. This possibly happened at the time he decided the strange things he wanted would not happen. His powers would no longer be utilized. At that point, it transferred to Sasaki, who didn't like the idea and passed the ability on rather quickly to Haruhi, who was less easily satisfied/despairing than Kyon and more willing to actually subconsciously have the ability than Sasaki. And now Haruhi seems to be calming down as well...
* This troper demands a satisfactory explanation for book #7 within this context; because honestly, I can't see how it could possibly measure up to the awesomeness of inadvertently thwarting evil schemes and causing the invention of time travel as a mere side effect of [[spoiler:keeping Kyon too busy to realize that Valentine's Day is coming up.]]
* Mashing it all together... Kyon is the actual God, but being massively GenreSavvy he restricted his own access to his powers and imposed a subconscious mind lock on himself in order to avoid AGodAmI moment and all that closed space stuff. Remember when he said that he found out that aliens, Santa Claus, etc. weren't real ? He actually just banned his powers and so they disappeared. However, omnipotence is a fickle thing, and so it leaked out, a little like magic radiation in {{Discworld}} - and found baseball-traumatized little Haruhi. It used her as a sort of secondary host, as an outlet for Kyon's suppressed desires - so she wishes for aliens, time travellers and ESPers as a proxy to have wacky adventures. Kyon himself states that he actually likes the stuff happening with Haruhi. Also, note that the SOS girls appeal to him, and that generally it all actually fits. Summary: Kyon suppressed his own powers, is therefore unaware, but his subconscious created / amplified Haruhi in order to please him. may have been said already, but it fits. Oh, and the hand Haruhi takes in the opening ? It's Subconscious!Kyon offering her ascension in a dream.
** And Koizumi represents his repressed bisexuality. Note that in one episode of Endless Eight (number 7 I believe), both times he is awakened from slumber, he's got his hands on his butt.
* Although I don't have absolute proof, it seems as though Haruhi rarely acts normally unless Kyon feels some strong emotion. Also, Haruhi has almost no character development in the series and has almost no empathy. This could be because she is Kyon's subconscious desires (e.g. sexually molesting Mikuru, going on adventures and generally doing whatever she wants). Kyon can stop her because he can suppress these desires, although not for long.
** Actually Haruhi gets her deal of character development in the series too. It certainly is more subtle than what Yuki gets, for example, but this troper was amazed to realize that Haruhi in Snow Mountain Syndrome is in fact quite different girl than Haruhi in The Melancholy.
* Itsuki seems to tease/hint several times in the anime about the nature of Kyon and Haruhi's godhood. In "The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina" he implies that Kyon, while unable to affect anything, is the key to bring about change. And in "Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody" he points out that in chess, the queen has all the power and incorrectly states the king has no value, where Kyon is the seemingly valueless king. Haruhi may have the God's magical powers, but Kyon has either the far-reaching knowledge or the will of God. He even subconsciously knows he's done something wrong to Yuki and wants to make it up to her, [[spoiler:before she tells him what she's been doing for 600 years]].
** Indeed, "The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina" 's plot itself could be seen as a proxy for the story of the series, but Kyon and Haruhi seem to be merged, though Itsuki's reaction to Nagato's words imply that he is Kyon in the story, not Haruhi. It is worth noting that, at the end, Itsuki's character's "hidden powers" awaken, and given how suspiciously accurate the plot is otherwise in some ways (the cast are all of the correct type, for example)...
* Another point for Kyon: When Haruhi gets angry at Kyon when he refuses to tell her what is on his mind after her stand-in performance for ENOZ, she throws grass at him, but it is blown back into her face rather than hitting Kyon. Indeed, things always seem to work out for the better for Kyon.
* I'd like to point out something interesting from the first light novel: in the very beginning of the book, Kyon speculates on what kind of character he would be in plots that sound like generic shounen. What makes this interesting, however, is the fact that Kyon repeatedly casts himself as 'out of the limelight', so to speak. In his fantasies, he is never the hero, just a sidekick. Kyon truly believes he would be better off [[OutOfFocus out of focus]] and off to the sidelines, storywise. In the books, this is what happens - Kyon is the everyman [[ArthurDent character]] interacting with all the other fantastic elements of the 'verse. He has a personality, but little to no backstory, which would befit his 'position' in the story. Meanwhile, Haruhi, the 'hero', has a well-established personality and backstory. TL;DR: Kyon is the actual reality warper, Kyon is [[GenreSavvy Genre Savvy]], and is forming the world around him in the guise of what he considers the perfect story for him.
* This troper has an [[http://www.gwern.net/The%20Melancholy%20of%20Kyon.html ungodly long essay]] arguing just this, and will steal any arguments presented here he didn't already think of.
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[[folder:WMG Yuki Nagato]]
[[WMG: Originally, it was Nagato who was the "back-up" while Asakura was the original Agent assigned to observe Haruhi.]]
Hence her having the emotions and actually in a position to observe Haruhi, while Nagato was in stand-by in the Book Club Room. But Haruhi, being Haruhi, chose Nagato. The Integrated Data Entity switched Nagato's and Asakura's roles, something Asakura and her Sponsor didn't accept.
* This, actually, makes way too much sense for it to be in WildMassGuessing.
* Seems like Nagato really was the one in charge, in the more important (to them) position of monitoring Haruhi. Monitoring requires distance, though, so Asakura was made as bait in their idea of a perfect, happy and kind student to get Haruhi to ''do'' something. Subtle actions on Asakura's part would hopefully gain subtle response from Haruhi. When that doesn't work, she ups the scale of prodding Haruhi in an attempt to kill Kyon. Basically, following her programming. Note that she never really strays from her apparent emotional state, making her the real EmotionlessGirl, possibly precisely because she has less autonomy in how she acts and was always meant to be the less (to the IDE) important of the two. Watching Haruhi is more important than getting her to do something. If you don't know what's going on, how can you learn? Nagato simply felt the reaction would probably be too [[{{Understatement}} undesirable]] to be worth the risk.

[[WMG:Nagato must obey Kyon's every command]]
In the episode with the missing computer club guy, Nagato freezes halfway through pointing at something when Kyon says "Hold it." I cannot remember if it is the case in the anime but in the book it is explicitly stated that she stays perfectly still despite the oncoming giant insect until Kyon says "you can move again." If you combine this with the fact that only Kyon's orders could make her open the door in the island mystery one I think this conclusion seems fairly reasonable.
* But why? Because Kyon has subconsciously chosen her as his follower, the way the Espers are divided between Haruhi and Sasaki. This is also why she was able to hijack Haruhi's power, a feat ''noone else'' in the Integrated Data Entity can do. Kyon is also subconsciously preventing them from wondering how she did that.
** It's like that in the anime, too, although if you're not paying attention, you can easily miss it completely.
** More evidence for this theory in the Rampage of Haruhi Suzumiya which is what the episode with the computer game is based on Nagato must wait for Kyon's permission to alter the game, she even says "The one who placed a limit on my data manipulation abilities is you." Why does Kyon have the power to limit her abilities? She also waits for Kyon's permission before joining the Computer Club.
** More "Yuki is Kyon's follower" examples. After the Cave Cricket incident, Kyon muses that Yuki had set it up so that Haruhi wouldn't be bored. There's a major flaw in this reasoning. At the time, not only was Haruhi in a good mood, but it was ''Kyon'' who was bored. Also, Haruhi quickly lost interest in the case of the missing Computer Club president, leaving Kyon to see the "case" through. If Yuki had come up with the scenario, it was for Kyon; not Haruhi.
* Countered, from [[http://wiki.sos-dan.com/wiki/Template:Trivia SOS-dan]]: Nagato's actions are always subtle, and ''Someday in the Rain'' shows the slight variance in her responses to different people. For example, in 16:00, Nagato indicated to Tsuruya where Mikuru was, but in 17:45, Nagato did not tell Kyon where Haruhi was.
** That episode, however, was not in the original works (the light novels) and can therefore, be considered non-canon.
*** I doubt it. Tanigawa Nagaru did the writing for that episode.
* Of course, it could be just that Yuki is in love with Kyon. This is hinted with the Closed Space incident, where she messages Kyon that "Another trip to the library would be...". Kyon getting her a library card could have been the most romantic gesture she could think of.
** And she does say "I personally want you to return."
** Arguably, her growing feelings for Kyon are what drive her off the deep end (for a Data Entity Interface, anyway) and rewriting the universe with herself a "normal" schoolgirl and Haruhi and Koizumi no longer students at North High. Of course, this makes the escape program an example of IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy.
* Going along with the above, you could interpret what Nagato did as her wanting to spend time with Kyon, who isn't around for most of the episode. Think about it: when Tsuruya barged in and asked where Mikuru was, she immediately pointed out her general direction. What does she do when Kyon finally comes back and asks her where the rest of the SOS-dan are? She simply stares at him, then nods.

[[WMG: Alter-Ryoko was Yuki's subconscious desire to stay human.]]
No form of Yuki would want to hurt Kyon, but the fact that Alter-Ryoko ''knew'' Kyon was trying to change things back when even Human Yuki didn't suggests she was created differently from everyone else in the Main/AlternateUniverse. Some small part in the back of Yuki's mind gave herself a companion in the new world that would defend it. Add a dallop of guilt for original Ryoko's erasure, mix in Ryoko's normal psychopathy, and stir.
* ''Alternate Interpretation'': ''Alternate!Ryoko is a Main/PsychoLesbian Main/StalkerWithACrush on Alternate!Yuki''. Why else, in the parallel continuity that Yuki had just created, was she hanging around the school at 4 am? Watching Yuki? ''With a knife?!''
** Why was Ryoko made like this in the parallel universe? It's clear that Yuki did not alter personalities, only altered events and removed the supernatural. In the case of herself and Ryoko, they wound up with personalities closest to how they acted as aliens: Main/ShrinkingViolet...and Main/StepfordSmiler Main/KnifeNut.
** The troper writing this secondary theory has considered this interpretation canonical for a while (to the point of mentioning it on the [[Characters/HaruhiSuzumiya Cast Page]]), but it's left ambiguous enough by the narrator (who had more important things to worry about, like bleeding to death) that it probably belongs here.
** There's a doujin that I believe is entitled All-Purpose Cultural Yuki Nagato based on this idea, with the twist that Ryoko is actually in love with Yuki (in her psychotic way), and also explains why the alternate Yuki still wears glasses when Kyon has told her she looks better without them (Ryoko thinks she doesn't). It's a bit explicit, though.
* Alternately, Alter-Ryoko appeared because Yuki STILL HAD Haruhi's powers, and summoned her when Kyon TRIED TO SHOOT HER WITH A GUN! Yuki however didn't know she have been granted those power.
* Alternatively, Alter-Ryoko helped Yuki change the world, and was near her when it happened. Retaining her own memories, Ryoko was there to protect Yuki because Yuki would no longer be able to protect herself. She was an ordinary human now. It was only natural that Ryoko attacked Kyon when he pointed at Yuki with a gun. In the first chapter of the 7th novel, Ryoko asks the future Yuki (who saved Kyon from Ryoko): "Why? Wasn't this what you wanted?"
** Alter-Ryoko couldn't be her subconscious desire since Yuki was conscious of that desire, but it was her defense mechanism to try to preserve her life of normalcy with Kyon. The gun was possibly a symbolic choice on Yuki's part, since it would kill off not just the Alter-Yuki she wanted to be, but would leave Yuki vulnerable to termination by the IDSE for reality-warping in the first place.

[[WMG: Nagato could hijack Haruhi powers because Kyon transfered them to her]]
Nagato was able to use Haruhi powers to alter reality in Vol.4 only because Kyon - probably subconsciously - transfered Haruhi power, or allowed them to be transfered. Tachibana Kyoko thinks that Kyon can transfer Haruhi power to Sasaki - or at least is crucial in doing so. Some dialogs in Asahina Mikuru's Adventure suggest that Kyon is somehow 'key' to Haruhi power. Of all people in the world, who Kyon trust most and wouldn't mind if they were holders of supernatural powers? Nagato.
[[WMG: Kyon is unconsciously a genie, and grants the wishes of those closest to him]]
Several of the above [=WMGs=] relate to this, but this is different in an important way: Kyon grants wishes, but not his own. At least not directly. Nagato, a sci-fi bookworm wanted to know everything and be an alien. So she's turned into an Integrated Thought Sentient Entity interface, which knows pretty much everything AND is an alien. Koizumi is classy, and given his bootlicking personality he wants to be high up in some organization. So, he's given the most important job an esper can have, and Haruhi considers him her second in command. Asahina's motives are unclear. (And this troper personally believes the WMG that she's only helpless to get close to Haruhi and Kyon) Since she's very secretive, I suppose her wish would be that she gets to be "in the loop". Notice that she also refuses to tell people things that she knows they already know. Either that or she wants to know her current problems will get better in the future, which she knows becuase she has seen her future self. Lastly Haruhi, who [[IJustWantToBeSpecial just wants to be special.]] If Kyon really does care about Haruhi, then he's made her the most important person in the world, with more than three organizations all wanting to know more about her, yet all subservient to her wishes. Now Kyon never gets his wishes unless someone else helps him out. The only problem is that other people that are somewhat close to him don't get any abilities, or else Taniguchi would be the most popular guy in school. It also seems that Kyon's sister doesn't have any wishes. On the other hand, Kyon's sister gets a magical cat in the books and is allowed on the island in the anime. Another problem is that Ryoko Asakura got a wish granted, and she definitely doesn't seem to be a special person of Kyon's, unless Nagato wished to save Kyon.
* Kyon equals Ayu, uguu? My mind is shattered!

[[WMG: Yuki doesn't ''really'' [[IJustWantToBeNormal want to be normal]].]]
Kyon thought he did, but realized he was wrong when he actually had the choice. Alternate-universe Yuki didn't have the chance to properly consider it, since she didn't know what her alien self had done to change things. For all we know, she would have come to the same realization as Kyon. (I don't expect this guess to be popular, since it makes her much less TheWoobie.)
* I can agree with her not wanting to be normal. Isn't the implication that she just wants to get away from Haruhi who is annoying the ''hell'' out of her? She can't even express her annoyance properly to anyone but Kyon! Remember, this is mostly before Haruhi's character development where she's dragging everyone around, dressing them up, groping them and generally making life very difficult for someone who would like to just sit around and read without being interrupted. She wants to be special in more normal circumstances (read: an off switch for when it gets to be too much. Alternate reality Yuki had some overlap in personality and interests, but she wasn't the same and probably really would have just preferred normalcy.
* I read this differently; Errant Nagato does want to me normal, ''desperately.'' She does everything within her power to ensure her past self can't interfere. (The sync-preventing barrier, making Asakura essentially her bodyguard, etc.) This turns the events of the book into something of a giant chess match between Past Nagato and Errant Nagato. Kyon assumes his awareness of the change and the hints along the way are Nagato wanting him to be the one to make the final decision, but I think they were the direct result of Past Nagato's tinkering, and she didn't give a damn what he thought, she just wanted out.

[[WMG: Yuki is the real/original reality bender.]]
It's clear that Yuki has the most power out of the three helpers, and she apparently steals Haruhi's powers once. As a sci-fi aficionado, she always wanted to be an alien, and the Integrated Data Sentient Entity isn't very stock as aliens go, it's quite well thought out. She probably lost control of her powers once before, so she buried her emotion with her powers. It's possible the relationship with her Nakama is her way of making sure it doesn't happen again, so that she can restore her own emotions. Asakura was shocked with her coding ability, - which is apparently above normal - to save Kyon, and of course, it was very dramatic. It may also be possible when Haruhi was destroying the world that it was Yuki's jealousy, since Haruhi doesn't go anywhere near as out of control when she's jealous of Yuki. Yuki constantly bails out Kyon of situations she creates because she wants to be useful. As for Asahina, she was probably created to give Kyon something to look at without objectifying herself. Itsuki was brought in because of his tendency to speculate and help Kyon figure things out, or to divert things.

Haruhi's presence could be a result of any number of things:
* An avatar through which to manipulate events and bring them together.
* A person to give the powers to, as something fun to do through conflict
* A curiousity endeavor, as in, how do people respond to omnipotence?
Kyon's presence is obvious. She found a normal person, for whom she will do anything. She grants his earlier wish to meet time travelers, espers and aliens. She's given him something to do, and she's made him rely on her. Yuki has been characterized as being burdened by the knowlege of what is to come, and that is to make sure she is not going to destroy everything.

[[WMG: Yuki is going to die in the tenth book.]]
Then, Haruhi will finally find out about the web of secrets around her. And then she shall bring down ''divine fury'' on the people who dared harm a Brigade Member. There are plenty of ways that she could find out, but the one I'd like the most: immediately after Yuki passes on, Kyon turns to Haruhi, plays his trump card, explains the situation, and sits back to watch the fireworks.
* I doubt Kyon would wait for Yuki to actually die. If it becomes clear that she's ''going to'' die and the rest of the Brigade has no solutions, he has every reason to play it preemptively.
** Remember, the Trump Card is akin to CrossingTheStreams. Basically if both Koizumi and Mikuru are ALSO neutralized, there would only be one person left for Kyon to call help from: Haruhi Suzumiya.
*** Neutralized or not, what could Koizumi or Mikuru possibly do to help against an enemy capable of neutralizing Yuki?
*** I don't quite get the 'trump card' thing. If Yuki can hijack Haruhi's power to make"Disappearance", it follows that her superiors can hijack them as well. So much for the 'trump card'.
*** Kyon never told any of the interfaces the nature of the trump card (it seems he's only thinking it when talking to Yuki), so for all they know he's bluffing. They're unlikely to want to hijack Haruhi's powers without a very good reason, which means that unless they have an interface eavesdropping when Kyon plays the card the first they'll know about it is when the fully aware Haruhi comes for them, by which point it will probably be way too late.
*** Just because the IDE created Yuki doesn't mean it has all her powers. For example: Humans have created machines that can travel thousands of kilometers per hour, but humans themselves can't. Yuki has practically killed the IDE in ''Disappearance'' without it being able to prevent it, so why wouldn't Haruhi be able to do it too?

[[WMG: Haruhi subconciously allowed Yuki to steal her power]]
It makes things more interesting, interesting enough for a movie. Thats why Kyon's trump card works-Haruhi will let her powers be used for things which are arguably 'fun', but removing one of her brigade members? No dice.
[[WMG: Haruhi is really Jesus' second human incarnation]]
She's testing if humanity is yet ready to go back to Eden now. By accepting someone as weird as the melancholical and bossy Haruhi, they would prove theirselfs to be worthy.

[[WMG: Yuki has thousands of masks and yukata hidden in a closet in her apartment.]]
It's possible that, since she remembers every summer in Endless Eight, that Yuki also kept all of the yukata Haruhi bought her and all of the masks Yuki bought herself. And, since each mask and yukata appear to be different, the [[{{Futurama}} time duplicate destruction]] is avoided.
* Why would she still have the yukata and masks if time had been undone? They would not disappear, but would they not have gone back to where she got them at the reset, and stayed there or been taken by another person when she got different ones? Otherwise, they are coming from nowhere. And most importantly, isn't it gross misconduct for Yuki to expand her closet just to have enough space for all those sets of robes?
** Gross misconduct? Why would the Integrated Data Entity care how big Yuki's closet is?
*** [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking That was]] [[CompletelyMissingThePoint the joke]].
* Unless she got her hands into TARDIS technology. Which is probable.

[[WMG: Yuki does in fact have emotions, but only Kyon can see them.]]
I have not read the novels, but Yuki expresses emotion three times that I know of: happiness during the Day of Sagitarius, anger during the Ryouko fight, and boredom during Endless Eight. Mikuru and Itsuki know she's an alien so they don't bother to look for signs of emotion, and Haruhi is, of course, completely oblivious.
* I believe the way it works is that Kyon's the only one perceptive enough to notice. Her emotional signals are extremely minor compared to most people's, but Kyon's learned how to tell how she's feeling.
* I think he's wrong about half the emotions he reads from her. We simply accept what [[UnreliableNarrator Kyon]] says she is feeling? Since when has his track record at reading people been any good?
* If you disregard his rather extreme SelectiveObliviousness about Haruhi's feelings for him, since always.
** According to him. Not to be get too geeky here, but uh you can think of it like Shamisen was saying. His interpretation of how Yuki etc. feel is simply a scenario that matches the evidence so far. Just like Koizumi and Mikuru's theories do, despite being completely contradictory. In fact, Kyon's perceptions drastically color ours. The most notable counterexample would be in his refusing to be suspicious of Mikuru, which was pointed out by Koizumi.

[[WMG:Nagato broke her directive of "observation" and hooked up with Kyon during one or more iterations of Endless Eight.]]
The "errors" accumulating due to uptime far longer than her original design specification, along with frustration at her powerlessness to end the endless summer, drive Nagato to act out by sleeping with Kyon. Kyon does not remember, but is aware of something "changed" in Yuki, while Yuki cannot forget, but also cannot do anything about her newfound feelings, as Haruhi's jealousy would cause Main/TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. As a result, she creates an Main/AlternateReality where Haruhi is out of the picture, she can be a normal human free of the burden of her duty and memories, and she and Kyon can get to know each other and fall in love. The one memory she leaves herself of her old life is also the moment when she first became attracted to Kyon out of more than just intellectual curiosity (though she did not realize it until later): the episode at the library earlier that year.

Additionally, Nagato does not ''truly'' give Kyon an option out of Main/IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy; rather, she is thwarted only by the foresight of her earlier, coldly logical self, who does not understand the feelings that she will come to experience later on. This only adds to the angst that runs beneath her Main/EmotionlessGirl exterior.

[[WMG: ''Yuki'' was the one responsible for Endless Eight]]
It was a last ditch attempt to prevent ''Disappearance'' from happening.

[[WMG: Haruhi subconsciously "remembers" Nagato taking her power, and recreated "The Vanishment of Nagato Yuki Chan" world for her AU self.]]
* Behold: [[http://v1.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/6382/nagato_yuki_chan_no_shoushitsu/chapter.97532/page.13/ Exibit A.]] She appears before Yuki-chan the same way John Smith did to her; to get her to join the Literary Club.
** Actually, this is the Haruhi from that world (hence the hair-style and ribbons). After "our" Kyon left; the power flowed from that Nagato to her; and she had already been told about her alternate universe having those powers by "our" Kyon; so she acknowledged it immediately. First order of business was to clean things up.

[[WMG: Yuki didn't steal Haruhi's powers]]

I never really bought the whole stealing powers thing to begin with. It was left too vague and I think if she'd had that ability she'd have used it during the Endless Eight. Nevertheless I accepted it because we had nothing else to go on, until book nine. It showed the powers were transferable and the implication seemed to be that the powers currently reside in whoever Kyon wants to be with on a subconscious level. First it was Sasaki then Haruhi. The point at which Yuki "obtains" the powers is Disappearance, which also happens to be the point at which the narrative (written by Kyon) starts focusing on Yuki instead of Haruhi, coincidence? I reckon that this is the point at which Kyon shifts affections to Yuki and Yuki suddenly finds herself in possession of the powers. Being an alien she actually realises she's got them, unlike the previous two owners, and uses them. The question is, does she still have them?
* Don't forget, though - she didn't use her powers during Endless Eight because she was instructed only to observe. I don't doubt that she seriously wanted to jack Haruhi's powers and end her boredom, but that would go against her orders.
** I get the feeling she didn't do anything there because, if you'll notice, ''nobody ever asked her to do anything.'' Not even remind them that they were in a loop. She rather seems to lack initiative. Until Disappearance, anyway. Also, the IDE has shown itself to be perfectly capable of '[[RealityWarper data manipulation.]]' It's likely they only need Haruhi because of how chaotic she is: She does things they would never think of. Perhaps she just stopped following a sort of non-interference order and showed what she was ''really'' capable of.
* The Data Entity is a RealityWarper, yes. However, the reason it is watching over Haruhi is because it is limited by EquivalentExchange. They can manipulate data all they want, but only Haruhi can create (and presumably destroy) data. Yuki mentions this in her first exposition.
** Ok then, but if only Haruhi's power is capable of that, and Yuki can steal that power, why bother observing her? What Yuki did is right along the lines of what Haruhi was trying before Kyon ([[OrIsIt possibly]]) interrupted her. There's just too big a plot hole to say she stole the powers and leave it like that. If that were the case, the IDE would simply snatch the powers, withdraw Yuki etc. and go on their merry way. If they're still watching Haruhi, there has to be more to it than simply data creation.

[[WMG: Yuki gave Haruhi her powers three years ago on behalf of the IDE.]]
The IDE always had such reality warping powers and simply couldn't think of a way to use them to improve itself anymore. They decided to give someone else their abilities and see what ''they'' would do with them. So they picked a race they were interested in, humans, and then narrowed down the choice to Haruhi because A. she wants weird things, B. she's secretly rational and won't notice and threaten them and C. She's a decent person deep down and won't do anything ''too'' dangerous. Yuki could steal her powers because she ''gave'' them to Haruhi in the first place. It's why she was around three years ago. It's also why her abilities can involve reality warping as well, such as changing the baseball bat to always hit home runs. When she went on a rampage after stealing said powers, the IDE didn't punish her not because Kyon threatened them, but because they would lose Kyon's support and influence over Haruhi and therefore an external factor introducing major changes. She finally started doing weird stuff, after all. Finally, perhaps Haruhi isn't the only one with weird reality warping powers and this is all a giant experiment the IDE is carrying out. They grant these powers and take them away again if they're not learning anything from the wild chaotic humans, like Sasaki's insistence on normality.



[[WMG:Yuki was programmed to have an emotional bug]]
The IDE is a super intelligent entity with access to near unlimited computing power. It would not make an error of that magnitude in such an important program. The error was programmed in intentionally by either the IDE or Yuki herself as Xanatos Roulette of currently unknown purpose. Alternatively the emotional bug was the result of Yuki, tired of serving the IDE after the Endless Eight loop, was able to escape its control. They engaged in a data war similar to the one in Snow Mountain Syndrome, and the result was the alternate reality Kyon found himself in. The winner depended on whether Kyon succeeded at reversing the effect, although who actually won when he succeeded is unknown.
[[WMG: One or more characters is a WMG/TimeLord.]]
... is this just here to fulfill the [[TropeExampleLaws 14th Example Law]]?
* No. Mikuru is a time lord by virtue of the fact that she's a time traveller, and as we know from reading the WMG pages, all time travellers are time lords.

[[WMG: Yuki order Ryoko to atack Kyon.]]
To be trusted by Kyon, Yuki told Asakura to atack Kyon to can save him, i mean, if Asakura really was trying to kill someone, im pretty sure that there a re betters ways that trying to kill him with a knife.
And this can be match with the "kyon is god". Think about it, Asakura was trying to kill Kyon to watch what Haruhi do, but if Kyon REALLY is God, she atack him to see what God do.

[[WMG: The events of "Disappearance" are directly due to Yuki developing romantic feelings for Kyon.]]
The way her new, "normal" world was set up made things quite easy for her in that regard:
* Haruhi was at Kouyouen with Koizumi, who already had a crush on her - both placing her at a distance from Kyon, and giving him a viable rival for Haruhi's affections.
* Of all the former SOS Brigade members, Kyon could most easily establish contact with Yuki. Mikuru was an upperclassman with a protective best friend, Haruhi and Koizumi were students at another school, but Yuki was just a shy girl who was attracted to Kyon and wanted another member for her literature club. She also had the most positive (well, the least negative) initial reaction to him.
* Yuki let Kyon keep his memories and gave him the ability to change the world back. As much as she wanted the chance to have a normal relationship with him, she didn't want to do it against his will - she wanted him to be happy.

[[WMG: In the 10th Novel, Yuki will [[spoiler:catch Asakura's knife with her bare hand right as she trys to kill Kyon.]]]]
[[spoiler:'Alpha' Yuki that is, sliding into the 'Beta' timeline with 'Alpha' Kyon. Because she's already done it twice, why not a 3rd time?]]

[[WMG: Yuki did not leave Kyon with his memories intact because [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy She Wants Her Beloved To Be Happy]]]]
She did it because she knew that he was the only one capable of choosing the "strange" real world over the "normal" false one. Yuki does not exist in time and space the exact same way as we do. Like [[{{Watchmen}} Dr. Manhatten]] she experiences her entire existence simultaneously. She knows exactly what she's going to do but is powerless to stop it, it ''will'' happen, because it ''must'' happen, because it ''has'' happened. Mikuru and Itsuki by admission and evidenced by their actions would prefer quiet ordinary lives, and Haruhi cannot carry it out because she is clueless to the situation (and might not even notice the change in the first place) and not focused enough to figure it out before the deadline anyway. Not only is Kyon the only one capable of choosing the old world knowing full well the responsibilities that come with it (having already done it once before in ''Melancholy''), he's also the only one capable of taking the action necessary to see it through to the end, to the point of mobilizing the future versions of the himself and the SOS brigade to come back and save his own life when he's injured. He was not given a choice, he ''never'' had a choice because there was never any doubt which course he would take. He was given a job to do and he performed it. The moment he finds the bookmark there is absolutely no doubt about what will happen.
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[[folder:WMG Mikuru Asahina]]

[[WMG:Mikuru is the daughter of Kyon's sister and haruhi's brother]]
This would explain why mikuru acts and looks a lot like his siter but yet have a couple similarities to haruhi. i doubt that she's kyon and haruhi's daughter though since she doesn't treat them like they are her parents.
[[WMG:Mikuru is really Kyon's sister via Main/TimeTravel.]]
This theory comes from the fact that both of them did a "knock on their head and stick out their tongue" gesture. They also share the same eye color and have similar facial structures; Kyon's sister's hair is a couple shades darker than Mikuru's, but Mikuru could have artificially lightened it in order to minimize her resemblance to her younger self. Mikuru also is remarkably at ease around Kyon, to the point of roughhousing and horseplay (if Haruhi isn't around), which seems to be quite at odds with her otherwise timid nature. She also suggests more than once that Kyon should not become "interested" in her.
* This theory, unfortunately, is undermined by the vast difference in personalities. Kyon's little sister is, to put it mildly, [[Main/GenkiGirl a little fireball]]. Unless she suffered some dramatic trauma, it seems unlikely that she would grow up into the pathologically timid Mikuru.
** A variation that accounts for this is that ''Mikuru is Kyon's sister from an Main/AlternateUniverse where Kyon died''. Possibly, the presence of Haruhi has prevented it in this timeline; also possibly, she's going to ''cause'' it.
*** Actually, this theory works as is if we combine it with the "Mikuru isn't really as innocent as she seems." theory.
**** Or maybe not. When first dressed as a bunny girl, Mikuru said to Kyon "If I become spoiled for marriage, would you take me?". This doesn't sound like something she'd say to her brother!
***** Someone with an old-fashioned (and by that I mean almost feudal) and sexually innocent view of the world might. Main/IncestIsRelative after all. (Okay, I just love that trope name).
* The shared gesture can also be explained by the fact that Mikuru and Kyon's sister have spent some time together on several occasions and Kyon's sister could presumably have picked it up off Mikuru, children being impressionable and all. In fact, if I recall correctly it's adult Mikuru that uses the gesture and not young Mikuru, so it's entirely possible that Mikuru actually picked it up off of Imouto.
* I too noticed the specificity of the gesture and wondered if it meant something, but I think this plays better if Mikuru is Kyon's niece (Imouto's daughter), or maybe a slightly more distant relation along those lines. For something concrete, in one of the short stories Kyon and Mikuru save an elementary-school kid who's apparently crucial to the future development of time travel - it'd be nice to give him time to grow up.
** The shared gesture is fairly common, actually, not something specific to Mikuru. For another example, see [[SayonaraZetsubouSensei Chiri's disturbing variation,]] when she tries to become a {{Dojikko}}. There are lots more, but that was the first that came to mind.
* Objection: Doesn't Mikuru make mention of her childhood several times? In the novels, she mentions the stuff they learn in elementary school, she's unaware the ocean's salty, and doesn't understand how boats float. Most of all, when Kyon asks if she would like to stay in the present, she replies that as much as she loves the present (her past), she will only feel most at home in the future (her present). I now invite all the "Lost Twin Sister" and "Time Divergent Entity" Theories.
** Counter Objection: How is Mikuru's lackluster education relevant as to whether she is Kyon's sister? And besides, her "present" is our future, ergo, Kyon's sister's future. Which is better for you: 2008 or 1998?
* While I do not believe this myself, I kind of hope it is true because it would be a HILARIOUS kick in the balls for Kyon! I mean, really, can you imagine?
** Kyon (unwillingly) gropes Mikuru; of course it would be hil-LAR-ious
** The realization that Haruhi was practically molesting one of his family members, the realization that he'd been unknowingly lusting over his sister the entire time, and the realization that she knew the entire time and never bothered to tell him would hit Kyon with so much shock, embarrassment, and rage at the same time, his reaction would be priceless.
* I think, this is true. The two share many simmilarities and even look similar. I even think that Kyon mentioned once, that something Mikuru did reminded him on his sister. Also, she also call him by his nickname, even though she is very gentle and polite. Her only reason to call him "Kyon" would be, that she's used to do it, and that would only be the case, if she really was his sister, the very one person, who started the "Kyon-terror". It would a pretty funny slap in the face. Kyon lusted for his annoying, little sister. All the time.
* This makes so much sense! Now that I think about it, he had multiple comments about not being interested in his sister [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean that way]], that is kind of a SuspiciouslySpecificDenial, in some of these cases he explicitly compared her to Mikuru, claiming that he DOESN'T feel the same way for the two of them. The different personalities and the weird lack of knowledge could be easily explained as the result of the combination of brainwashing by [classified information], and the trauma of constantly getting "raped" by Haruhi, while HER BROTHER watches, and fantasizes about her.
** The difference in personality wouldn't even require that much, it could be just a result of growing up, people change quite a bit in their teens and she could simply have gone from outgoing and hyper to shy and fragile. Plus, though it's already been stated, Kyon's sister and Mikuru's facial features are, not just similar, but ''[[http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab264/90472/KyonsSister-MikuruAsahina.gif nearly identical]]''.
** Here is a collection of these comments:
-->Book 2: ''"I was so exhausted already. The thoughts of becoming a voyeur cameraman had long evaporated from my head. Of course, it would be a different story if it involved Asahina-san, but I'm not that sick as to want to preserve video images of my own sister!"''
--> Book 3, Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, lying about Mikuru: ''"That's my sister."''
--> Book 5, when looking at Mikoru: ''"It felt as if I were looking at my sister in yukata, aside from the overly voluptuous bust."''
--> Book 5, Snowy Mountain Syndrome: ''"Having my sister in my room... As if I would do anything to her. I might go down the slippery slope if I am to share a room with Asahina-san. Whether it'd be my sister or Shamisen is really of no difference to me."''
-->Book 6: ''"Asahina-san's tiny footsteps, coupled with her childlike features, made me wonder, was she really a year older than me? Her footsteps could easily compare to my sister's"''
-->Book 7, on reaction to puppies: "''If possible, I would like to bring Asahina-san here one day. I could picture her picking up one of those adorable puppies, her eyes sparkling in the process, as she made a shout of “Kyaa~”. That was something I had seen my sister do before, and I had no doubt Asahina-san would be the same."''


[[WMG:Mikuru-chan present has never travelled through time until Episode 8, and it is Adult Mikuru who travelled BACK in time to meet Kyon.]]

[[WMG:Mikuru is Kyon and Haruhi's [[KidFromTheFuture future descendant]]]]
Make's more sense than his sister, and provides even MORE black humor.
* Actually it's not farfetched if you think about it. Just take a guess of how far is Mikuru's time (Hint: she can use complex tools for her time -her TPDD and comm device- but doesn't know how to use a computer, so computers aren't common technology anymore). After a few [[strike:hundred]] thousand years the whole current cast (except Mukuru) can be ancestor of the people in Mikuru's time. And for that Haruhi's child and Kyon's child don't even have to be the same person.

[[WMG:Mikuru is close to thirty-five years old.]]
Adult Mikuru is around a hundred.
[[WMG:Mikuru is, in fact, merely acting weak and helpless in order to get Kyon on her side.]]
Itsuki explicitly theorizes this at one point. Kyon may not have actual god-like powers on his own, but he may have another, more subtle power which allows him to not only encounter plenty of other Haruhi-esque god-like beings, but also to influence them in a decisive manner. Mikuru is thus able to control the one who controls the gods. This, admittedly, relies a lot on [[Main.XanatosRoulette random chance]].
* Or perhaps Mikuru really is that helpless, but she was selected by her superiors for those qualities, in order to appeal to Kyon for much the same reasons.
* At one point Koizumi outright tells this to Kyon (Near the end of book 2) "Her role is to ensnare you. That's why she looks like that, and that's why she acts like that: a cute, weak-willed girl, the type you'd probably like. You are the only one who can make Haruhi do anything to any degree at all, thus, the best move for her is to entrap you."
* This troper finds it deeply suspicious that although Itsuki has promised that he would [[spoiler:betray the organisation for the SOS-Brigade and Yuki has shown she'd betray the IDE, Mikuru has made no such promise.]]
** Except that [[spoiler:she did a similar (albeit sightly different) promise to Kyon: that when the time comes she ''will be the one saving Kyon-kun''. A priomise he knows Mikuru will fulfill.]]
* This troper thinks that everyone in the SOS is playing at something similar and will eventually betray Kyon somehow. [[spoiler: I mean, if Yuki and Koizumi are seemingly willing to betray their own superiors for the SOS, what's saying that the vice-versa can't be true?)]]
* Possible support for this theory: In book 2 Kyon said that Mikuru would make a better fairy than a Time Traveler. Faeires, aka TheFairFolk, have been known for using their beauty to lure knights into a forest to their death. {{Foreshadowing}} much?

[[WMG:Mikuru's spaciness is because of her memory intentionally being "[[QuantumLeap swiss-cheesed]]" to prevent paradox.]] She's the tool of the Future to change the Past. Having her memory change with each change would cause undue stress, so she's intentionally "dumbed down." Note her future self, who is also her Superior, doesn't have this problem in the slightest.
* Which would reinforce the "Mikuru is Kyon's sister" theory. If she remembered her childhood, she'd give a lot of hints about her identity, and it wouldn't be good for her mission. That Elementary School boy they saved was, in fact, Fujiwara.
* Jossed. She admits to being conditioned to the point that she physically couldn't say anything she's not supposed to, but at least once in the novels some information gets declassified; Mikuru is actually surprised she can answer the question, but she clearly knew it all along. Also, Future Mikuru comments on how disturbing it is to go back to the past and see all the little differences from how she remembered it; apparently, the entire organisation has Main/RippleEffectProofMemory.

[[WMG:Mikuru isn't really as innocent as she seems.]]
Think about it. Nobody can possibly be ''that'' shy involuntarily. This is supported by Adult Mikuru's feelings of nostalgia at the costumes into which she was forced; wouldn't she normally be terrified?
* Someone who ''is'' normally that shy would like to dispute this. And nostalgia can cover up a ''lot''. It's perfectly plausible that with a few years of experience, looking back on something that was unpleasant at the time could at least be looked on passively or with humor (as Mikuru seems to). Note that this doesn't contradict the letter of the guess, just the reasoning.
* Someone who says "You are not cleared for that" that often can't possibly be innocent...
** It doesn't help that her superiors apparently have her head wired so that they can edit what she can and can't reveal in real time. At least once she was surprised to discover just where the "classified" line was and that it had been moved when she wasn't looking.
* Also, the only outfit she seemed to have significant issues with was the bunny costume. She seemed to enjoy the others, at least when Haruhi wasn't excitedly "helping" her to change outfits.
* Alternatively, young Mikuru is good, not knowing what her superior's AKA her Older Self's plans are, and is just an unwitting pawn. Or, alternatively, they're not really the same but clones of the same person (which would make sense, from a crapsack future, cyperpunk kind of view).

[[WMG:Asahina (Big) is actually from the same time period as Asahina (Small) because Asahina (Small) decided to stay in the past with the SOS Brigade and thus took [[Main/TheSlowPath The Long Way]] back to her time period.]]
Think about it... The future inventor of time travel lives near Haruhi, and would likely know who Asahina is. He will likely ask Asahina in the future to help him form the time travel agency, and Asahina will arrange her younger self to be recruited and send her back in time to join the SOS Brigade.

[[WMG: Mikuru is in love with Haruhi]]
Alas, Kyon's love is to forever go unrequited. Miss Asahina (big) didn't refuse Kyon's kiss because she didn't want to endanger the universe by way of Haruhi's jealousy. It's because she's [[LipstickLesbian just not into that]]. Apparently, all those "cosplay sessions" had an [[RapeIsLove effect]] on her. The penultimate proof is in the above reference to Snow Mountain Syndrome, in which all the other characters have the [[{{doppelganger}} objects of their affection]] show up in their rooms to seduce them, while Haruhi shows up in Mikuru's room.
* Or Mikuru isn't dumb enough to say it was Kyon and piss off Haruhi. Think what happened when they were just flirting a little too much for Haruhi's liking, now ramp that up a couple notches and probably cut Kyon out of restructuring the world this time. [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean Though it might be interesting as to what he'd have to do ''this'' time to get her to come back.]]
* Of course, that pokes a few holes in the puzzle involving the doppelgangers. If it was Kyon that Mikuru saw, then the solution used flat out wouldn't have worked.
* Alternately, Mikuru has always been a lesbian, and Haruhi's actions had no effect on her. Consider that Mikuru only joins the Brigade, in the anime at least, after she notices Yuki, the only girl currently in the Brigade except for Haruhi.

[[WMG: Asahina is Drugging Kyon]]
Kyon is constantly gushing over how everything she makes tastes divine, however, in several places (At the pool, etc) he mentions that he can't actually taste the food, but finds it divine regardless. This is because Mikuru is lacing his portions with LSD. She knows which ones Kyon will choose because Big Mikuru gave her a list. This is why Kyon's such an unreliable narrator, he honestly can't tell between what he's thinking and what he's saying, or even if he said anything at all. this is all a ploy to prevent him from realising his status as mentioned in any given WMG above.
* Interestingly, He Kyon didn't become such an unreliable narrator until after the first book, that is to say, until after he'd been eating Mikuru's food for some time. (Although it might just be an error with the translation ThisTroper read)

[[WMG: Future Mikuru is not current Mikuru.]]
In the anime, anyway, do we have any proof that she isn't just a body duplicate? They could have gotten hold of Mikuru's body (alive, on their side, both, or neither) and copied it, then gave future Mikuru everything they knew about the original Mikuru's time with Kyon. (For that matter, the original Mikuru may not be any more of a "real" human than future Mikuru, or even Yuki and Asakura.) She just picked something at random about herself that seemed sufficiently intimate. If Kyon had already seen the mole, it would "prove" it was her. If he hadn't, he would be curious enough to ask Mikuru about it, future Mikuru having successfully TrickedOutTime.
* Or perhaps she's an ''alternate'' future Mikuru. She does mention that Kyon will have to make "The Decision that determines everything" soon.

[[WMG:Mikuru's entire "organization" actually consists of herself]]
...from various times. This is the real reason she keeps so secretive about her party (unlike Itsuki and Nagato): not to prevent some kind of paradox or anything but to prevent everyone from discovering the fact that she is the only human time-traveler in the past and future.
* [[spoiler:While it's technically possible for Mikuru to be the only one in her own organization, it's impossible for her to be the only time traveler, what with her enemy Fujiwara.]]
* Or, she is her entire organization and doesn't know it. She doesn't know her superior is herself and all of her other memories are suppressed or "classified". For all we know older Mikuru could be running everything with just one time machine. We know that kid who invents time travel doesn't specifically work for her organization since other people have the technology, so Mikuru could have just picked it up at one point, possibly from her future self. And that's assuming the organization is a two-person group, and not hundreds of Mikurus running around.

[[WMG:Mikuru's storybook is a horrible portent of things to come.]]
Since Kyon and Nagato's stories were based on true events, there's no reason to think Mikuru's isn't either. Discounting the Snow White bits, Mikuru is telling the story of how Haruhi rose to take over the world. First she took control of Koizumi (the Tactician) group's resources. Then, with her the Seven Dwarves (her slowly expanding SOS army) she swarmed over the planet, achieving victory in every battle. Eventually she took over the world and retired somewhere with Kyon, leaving the planet in Koizumi's hands. Mikuru knows all of this, because it is mandatory in the SOS Brigade schools that run all education on the planet.

[[WMG: The only "proof" Mikuru has as to what she needs to do and her importance in the series is her own word, based on her own word, based on her own word...]]
If Mikuru hadn't been here, everything would have turned out fine, though Tsuruya joining the Haruhi-tachi earlier would have resulted in more of a rough start to the SOS Brigade as she clashed with Haruhi. As it is, her presence settled before it even happened into a pattern that fed into itself to create a timeline where she would travel back in time to follow her own instructions. Yuki and Itsuki would have had the situation well in hand, along with Kyon, with all of the Mikuru-related things (including ''Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody'') having either happened in a much more subdued way, or not happened at all.

[[WMG: In Mikuru's time, human's don't live on Earth.]]
At some point, Earth will be rendered inhabitable. However, scientists saw it coming, and evacuated all humans to... Mars, or something, with enough supplies of oxygen, food and water to last several thousand years. This is why Mikuru doesn't seem to know anything about water whatsoever.
* And [[MahouSenseiNegima Chao Lingshen]] is her best friend or OddCouple roomate, who inexplicably used outdated spells based on [[LanguageOfMagic Latin]] instead of [[LanguageOfMagic Microsoft SQL]]? I want this to be true ''so'' much.

[[WMG: [[FourChan Anonymous]] is Mikuru's superior]]
That is why Mikuru won't reveal anything about her superior, and it is the reason why Mikuru is such a [[MsFanservice Fanservice Girl]].

[[WMG: Yuki and Itsuki are Mikuru' direct superiors.]]
Yuki and Itsuki are actually more authoritarian, and they know about Haruhi, so they implanted Mikuru in order to study moe's effect on a sociopathic Jerkass Physical God.

[[WMG:Tsuruya is Mikuru's direct superior.]]
If an organization of time travelers was willing to employ a 15-year-old girl, they'd probably have more than one. This explains why they're friends even though they're extremely different (particularly in outgoingness - Mikuru is very shy, while Tsuruya is the exact opposite), and also why Tsuruya seems to have had an idea of what was going on for a while. This particular WMG is inspired by a very short shot from the second season, with Tsuruya looking sinister in the shadows in the background while Mikuru tells Kyon that she doesn't agree with Itsuki's theories on Haruhi.
* Mikuru is 17 or 18. Probably. She's in her final year, anyway. The text for that scene in the novel also portrayed it a little differently: Tsuruya was treating it more like Mikuru was flirting/confessing and was merely a short distance out of hearing range rather than lurking.

[[WMG:Mikuru is Kyon and Haruhi's daughter]]
Time travel is never ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin, and Mikuru constantly gives mixed signals between her younger and adult selves. Young Mikuru is attracted to Kyon while Older Mikuru says she can't fall in love with him. It's a more extreme version of when a little girl says she wants to marry her daddy when she grows up, because due to time travel, Mikuru and her father are now the same age and he has all the qualities at this age that make him Mikuru's childhood fantasy. However, young Mikuru did this without telling her parents, thus explaining Older Mikuru appears briefly to tell Kyon exactly what he needs to hear in order to make him vaguely question if pursuing Mikuru is the right thing to do rather than acting on his Tsundere-ish relationship with Haruhi. The implication that Mikuru will have to leave him behind eventually is a pre-warning about the fact that eventually she'll go back to her own time, drifting out of Haruhi and Kyon's life as they get together. Eventually, when they have a red-headed baby girl, Haruhi will decide to name her after Mikuru after their childhood friend who moved away, and a few decades down the line, Kyon will finally noticed that Mikuru grew up to look like...Mikuru...and everyone will have quite the laugh over it all. Similarly, Haruhi's cosplay-rape tendencies that she honed on Mikuru will be repeated on her young daughter, then Haruhi sent Mikuru back in time, thus explaining why, despite her protests(because she's embarassed of being seen naked by a guy), Mikuru's pretty much used to it within an episode of her first appearance: she was raised that way.

[[WMG: Haruhi already knew Mikuru is her daughter from the future]]
And that is why she keeps manipulating Mikuru with almost absolute freedom. For the classified information thing...... it was only intended for other people besides Haruhi.
[[WMG: Kyon's sister is Mikuru's mom]]
At some point in the future when she's all done with high school, Kyon's sister will marry someone with the family name Asahina and together they will have a daughter that they will decide to name Mikuru.

[[WMG: Mikuru isn't Japanese.]]
She has red hair, and when looking at those yukata she said "So this is the traditional wardrobe of this country."
* She's a (human) Martian, see above.
** She's also able to read english well enough to aknowlage her name in english. (Meloncoly VI)

[[WMG: Mikuru is a Celestial]]
Itsuki and Kyon are the actual Time Travellers, and their "dimensional slider" abilities can also allow them to slide back and forth the timeline. The Celestials are in fact humans in the distant future, mutated by Haruhi's desire to express her anger. We all know how Haruhi expresses her anger: by raping Mikuru. (Yuki being a celestial is invalid since she isn't a result of Haruhi's angst). Celestials, being eldritch abominations who share Haruhi's ability of rewriting reality, can disguise themselves as being humans, and being the primal result of Haruhi's desire of being a dominatrix and having a ChewToy, time-travelled back to the past just to please Haruhi while disguising it as the order of a classified information superior, who is of course... Haruhi. Also, maybe the reason why Itsuki defeats Celestials and prevents them from escaping Closed Space is to keep the celestials from ever going back in time and induce a sense of superiority in Haruhi, which means more controllability for Itsuki and Kyon.
* Considering Celestials are the AU equivalents of {{Evangelion}} angels, maybe that's the reason why Mikuru stands out as the most beautiful of them all, being an angel....
* And Kyon is [[DoctorWho The Doctor]], being the actual Time Traveller with the name "John Smith".
* Wait... how come Mikuru and Itsuki get together well?
** She [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar got crap past the radar]]. Itsuki can fight celestials, but can't tell the difference between them and a human.

[[WMG: Mikuru is [[spoiler:[[TheMessiah Jesus]]]]]]
First, ''{{Haruhi-chan}}''. Second, there is the possibility that Mikuru is Kyon and Haruhi's daughter. For a more biblical explanation: Haruhi seems to represent Judaism and the Old Testament, with a long history of esoteric magic, melancholy, and manipulation of people. Kyon, on the other hand, represents the New Testament, the Roman Empire (he's the majority and was responsible for the spread of Haruhiism), and modern day Christianity (it's the current definition of "normal") with the universalization of old doctrines (Haruhi) and the spread to more "normal" people. However, it is Mikuru, not Kyon, is Jesus (Kyon might be God of the New Testament, but is not Jesus). With Haruhi as the past, Mikuru represents the future (she's a time traveller after all) of Haruhiism (Kyon). She also suffers for Haruhi's sins (which parallels Jesus suffering for the Jews / OT God's sins). Kyon, being the new testament / rome / apostles in general, also had the desire to save Mikuru / Jesus (take Pontius Pilate trying to save Jesus from the Jews for example), but can't because of Haruhiism / Judaism / OT God's will.
* Also, we (and otakuism in general) feel better when Haruhi abuses Mikuru. This means, Mikuru didn't just suffer for Haruhi and Kyon's sins, she suffers for the sins of the otaku community in general.
* Which means she is also [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Kamina]]'s relative, with HaruhiSuzumiya being the distant past of TTGL....
* Where does Yuki and Itsuki fit in?
** The angels! More specifically, Itsuki is the equivalent of Gabriel (Messenger) and Yuki (or IDE to be exact) is the equivalent of Michael (serving as the "army" of Haruhi, after all she leads the SOS Brigade to success after success).
*** So [[spoiler: [[EvilCounterpart Ryoko]]]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist is]] [[GoodIsNotNice Uriel]]? Where does Tsuruya fit into all this? She can't be [[TheBookOfMormon Jo]][[OneMarioLimit seph]] [[TheBookOfMormon Smith]], and I don't yet know enough about [[MemeticMutation LOLFANG-tan]]'s business with the SOS Brigade to pinpoint her place in this.
*** No need to specify, Yuki and Itsuki are the angels who preached the coming of the Trinity of Haruhi, Mikuru and Kyon. Nagaru Tanigawa in turn wrote the Bible.

[[WMG: Mikuru actually comes from a quite recent future.]]
Haruhi's powers will cause a kind of Technological Singularity only one generation in the future, which will turn the old technologies utterly obsolete in a matter of few years. Mikuru is in fact first generation to have never have had any contact with the "old" technology, and the sheer amount of new development has caused the mainstream culture to largely lose interest in the recent past, save for the vital time travel services to keep history under control, which is why she is so helpless with contemporary tech despite of essentially being a time agent intern.

[[WMG: Asahina Mikuru is more capable than she appears.]]
As far as her own time period is concerned. That she understands the mechanics of time travel enough to realize that Haruhi is the origin of the theory shows that she's not completely stupid. She's also able to completely grasp Nagato Yuki's technobabble with little effort, so long as it has something to do with spatial manipulation. Furthermore, we've never been shown anything in regards to her grades in school, so it's possible that she's much smarter than she appears. It's just that the vast majority of her knowledge is pretty much completely useless in the "present" time period (such as her lack of familiarity with modern technology), so she's effectively still more or less helpless either way. If there ever comes a time in which Asahina Mikuru is allowed to function in her native environment (i.e., the future from which she came), she may gain an astonishing level of competence for that duration.

[[WMG: Mikuru has a way of subconsciously influencing tropers.]]
This troper has seen at least three separate occurences of a recognizable section of her name being inserted into long words in ''Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu''-related subjects three separate times. Two is a coincidence, three is a pattern.
* I thought three was [[{{Goldfinger}} enemy action]].

[[WMG: Mikuru asked Kyon not to watch her the first time Haruhi started stripping her because she knew Kyon was unlikely to physically intervene.]]
Mikuru was given a briefing on Kyon's psychological profile before embarking on her mission, and she knew that Kyon had an extreme reluctance, at first, to actively forcing Haruhi to not do what she wished. Therefore, Mikuru believed that Kyon would try to talk Haruhi out of stripping her without actually restraining the girl, which would leave Kyon doing nothing to help Mikuru as she's being stripped right in front of him. Rather than suffer that embarrassment, Mikuru asked Kyon to leave rather than make an empty gesture. (Okay, said like that, it looks like option b, Mikuru is a spazz, is more likely. Or the even the somewhat unlikely option c, Mikuru is secretly letting herself be abused because she knowingly and deliberately accepted a mission to go back in time and become Haruhi's pet in the hope that she would gain some influence on the reality warper.)
* Wasn't his making a move towards them the thing that caused her to scream? In other words, wasn't Kyon already doing more than just telling Haruhi to stop?

[[WMG: Mikuru is from 200,005,600 years in the future.]]
Haruhi says to Kyon in Disappearance: "Come back in 200,005,600 years if you want to sneak a peek at Mikuru's underwear!" Things Haruhi say tend to turn out to be randomly true, and remember that Mikuru's not allowed to be in a relationship with people not from her time period, so presumably Haruhi is saying that if Kyon were to exist that many years into the future then he would be allowed to be in a relationship with her. It's likely that she's not from the near future, because apparently in her time period, boats don't use buoyancy to float, and that's not going to change for quite a while, so the number Haruhi gives is plausible. However, that brings up questions like "Has evolution stopped well enough that humans remain the same, even two million years into the future?" "Did human evolution stop when Haruhi eventually dies?" "What happens to Haruhi in the future?.

[[WMG:Mikuru is Kyon and Mikuru's daughter via TimeTravel.]]
Mikuru is Kyon's daughter and granddaughter and great-granddaughter...

[[/folder]]

[[folder:WMG Itsuki Koizumi]]
[[WMG: '''Itsuki''' is really God]]
This is mostly based on how the "Kyon is God" theory has the problem of Kyon not saying he is, while there are the many problems with accepting "Haruhi is God" that the "Kyon is God" theorists have highlighted. In this case, the entire situation would be conducted by Itsuki for his own amusement; he prefers to stay on the sidelines and watch the love story that he has constructed for himself unfold, and probably take a ThirdOptionLoveInterest for himself at the end. It is very likely that if this were true, Haruhi is in fact within the loop of aliens, time travelers, and espers and has been told that Kyon is God. The main problem with this theory is that it would lack the narrative coherence of Kyon or Haruhi being God.
* I'd have to say (in response to all the "X is a god" ideas really: Define the nature of god. We tend to assume that the god that one or other of the characters is is God in the abrahamic sense of the word, I.E an all powerful being, however there are many differant interpretations regarding the nature of "god" wherever you look. So who's to say that a being with the power to do some of the stuff that happens in the series is really a god?

[[WMG: The entire series is just a XanatosGambit on the part of Itsuki, who not only is aware of the Fourth Wall but is also the true "God" of the show.]]
Itsuki has long harbored a crush on Kyon; however, being aware of their existence as a fictional property, he knows that making the HoYay too obvious actually results in a ''lesser'' amount of fanwork. So he creates a cast to deflect most of the criticism from hetero guys with MoeMoe archetypes, while making the {{Tsundere}} female lead ''juuuuuuust'' unlikable enough so that [[YaoiFangirl anyone with yaoi tendencies]] will find her unsuited for Kyon. Thus, the amount of Itsuki/Kyon grows, encouraging the [[MostFanficWritersAreGirls production of more fanwork]], and allowing more hints to be dropped in the anime/novels/show itself, thus resulting in all those scenes where Itsuki gets to make Kyon uncomfortable. Supported by Itsuki's lame excuse that he's only doing it to ward off Haruhi's attention, as all the moments where he's [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean expressing his fondness for Kyon]] take place away from Haruhi's eyes.
* ... this makes too much sense to me. [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife Oh]] [[strike:God]] [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife Haruhi.]]

[[WMG:Alternate alternative: Itsuki is the slider, and Kyon is the esper]]
Itsuki has dimension jumping powers. In fact, his power to identify Haruhi's emotions could easily be related to the ability to see into Closed Space, and he could transform by moving himself slightly "out of phase" with the dimension he's in. Thus, ''all of Itsuki's powers are related to alternate dimensions'' and "esper" was just the label Kyon attached to him. Slider would be a better description of his powers.

[[WMG: Espers are ''lying'' about only having active powers in Closed Space]]
Which could explain the above non-Haruhi instances, this would also mean that Kyon's supposedly Main/{{muggle}} friends are Espers. He ''does'' ask one if they're "special" and gets a laughing response that he's been infected by Haruhi. What Kyon doesn't get is a direct answer.
* They don't have to be Itsuki's brand of espers. They could have some other sort of ESP, even unknowingly. Like Nakagawa (below).
* How was Itsuki and his organization able to investigate Kyon and determine that he was completely ordinary? Turning into balls of light inside a closed space doesn't really lend itself easily to that sort of thing...
** Itsuki (or ''someone'' in his organization) was also able to perceive something about Nakagawa's power—that Nakagawa had it, if nothing else. Nakagawa was the kid who was unknowingly able to catch glimpses of the Integrated Data Entity through Nagato, something that Itsuki presumably cannot. With regards to the kid, Itsuki says, "To be honest, you sure do have a lot of extraordinary friends." Now how many friends does Kyon really have?

[[WMG: Itsuki is being AmbiguouslyGay in the way he is as two different backup plans.]]
Plan 1: In the event that Haruhi is a YaoiFangirl: Get Kyon used to the idea of being with Itsuki, to keep Haruhi entertained if she gets bored with Mikuru. (This works if Itsuki really does like Kyon, because he can say it's not just because of Haruhi when and if they have to [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean placate]] [[YaoiFangirl her]].)
Plan 2: In the event that Haruhi wants Kyon: Back off and let her have him. If Haruhi doesn't think Itsuki's competition, he won't be eradicated.
Secondary reasons may also exist (regardless of attraction) depending on how much Itsuki really knows. For example, if Mikuru falls for Kyon (or Itsuki) and Haruhi has shown attention for him, they can pretend not to be interested in girls while Haruhi isn't there without letting Mikuru know about Itsuki or Haruhi's powers. Related, if Kyon gets caught "flirting" with Mikuru like in the anachronic finale, he and Itsuki can improvise the same thing without making Itsiki's cues obvious to Haruhi, and later add [[IfItsYouItsOkay If It's Haruhi It's Okay]] to Kyon's act if she is being posessive of him and not of Mikuru.
* however he could be doing this since haruhi thinks of him as gay, and he may love her, which would explains why he's always trying to please her

[[WMG: [[SecretRelationship Itsuki really does have a girlfriend/boyfriend.]]]]
In volume 9 Kyon asks if Itsuki has one. Itsuki [[HesitationEqualsDishonesty "gives a bitter smile".]] Kyon goes on to think, "Even if this guy has a [[ImpliedLoveInterest girlfriend]] behind my back, it wouldn't be surprising at all".
In volume 4 Haruhi asks, "Koizumi, are you going to be on a date with your girlfriend?" to which the guy in question denies. The guess here is that he places the activities of the SOS Brigade and the Organization [[MarriedToTheJob above a relationship]]; however, having a relationship in high school fulfills part of his "want to become someone who appears to be a normal high school student." It either might be a sincere relationship or [[ShallowLoveInterest superficial]] (think: ''appears to be'').

[[WMG: Itsuki Koizumi is the son of Japan's former Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi]]

And Itsuki's hair will grow to be as grand as Junichiro's.
* Jossed, Itsuki's family name is written with the kanji 古泉 (old spring), the ex-Prime Minister's with 小泉 (small spring).

[[WMG:Itsuki's GratuitousEnglish line in "Endless Eight"...]]
Will be translated into Japanese in the dub. The dub writer will do the same thing he did with the "Naze? Why?" scene and make JohnnyYongBosch say "[[spoiler:Aishiteru]]" instead of "[[spoiler:AI LAAV YUU]]".
* Personally, ThisTroper thinks it'd be funnier if it was translated as "[[spoiler: Je t'aime]]"...
* And this one thinks if would be funnier still if it was changed to "Voulez-vous coucher avec moi ce soir?"
* '''Jossed.''' He simply puts an emphasis on "I love you".
[[WMG: Itsuki is the BigBad.]]
He is, in fact, the LEADER of TheOrganization. As far as we seen, he tends to be.....unreliable when it comes to talking. Maybe he wants to get rid of/hijack Haruhi's power. Or maybe he's just there for some lulz, sort of like [[{{Bleach}} Gin Ichimaru]].
[[WMG: Itsuki is wrong: Haruhi wouldn't magically retcon him into being gay for Kyon... because ''she already did.'']]
As noted by many a fan, the majority of Itsuki's AmbiguouslyGay behavior occurs when Haruhi isn't looking - just like all the supernatural occurrences. The one time when Itsuki admitted having a straight crush on Haruhi? In Yuki's retconned world where Haruhi had no reality-warping powers. Whether Itsuki isn't aware of this or does but is simply too embarrassed to admit it is still up in the air.
* Is the above troper talking about the line "Don't you think it's about time that I take off this [[BeneathTheMask harmless looking mask]] and change this image that I don't [[AmnesiacDissonance even know when I created it for myself]]?" or "My present image fits perfectly with how Suzumiya-san would imagine me to be"?
* In either case this WMG means that Itsuki didn't have a choice in becoming gay; [[FridgeLogic he was forced to.]] (Homosexuality linked to DNA excluded here.)
[[WMG: Itsuki is an ArtificialHuman created by the organization.]]
* It came to me when he mentioned Omphalos Theory (he's a freshly created ArtificialHuman with all those FakeMemories planted in his brain) and said that his real personality is less than pleasant (he doesn't have a real one); it always felt as something of a {{Foreshadowing}} to me. So maybe how he told Kyon in sixth novel that he will [[spoiler:betray the Organization for one and one time only]] to help Kyon is the former going through similar characterization of Yuki.


[[WMG: Itsuki is constantly testing Kyon by....]]
...playing the board games. Those games he plays with Kyon are actually something of a disguised aptitude test, trying to investigate him further.

[[WMG: Itsuki did not exist three (or four) years ago and is not aware of the fact.]]
He hints that he is interested in time traveling, even if he "can’t see the past me". The reason Mikuru won't let him tag along (in addition to (1) Kyon finding him annoying and (2) a third traveler being completely pointless) is that as a time traveler, she knows that he doesn't exist. To reveal that wouldn't be good. The only grounds for this is that in all the time traveling arcs, we see past Yuki and past Haruhi. The only one we did not see is past Itsuki.

[[WMG: Itsuki is a {{Troll}}.]]
* Doesn't it make sense?

[[/folder]]

[[folder:WMG Tsuruya]]
[[WMG:Tsuruya is a different "Writer God", who doesn't interfere with Kyon and Haruhi.]]
In the novels, Itsuki comments that she's very mysterious; it's possible she's running around having her own adventures with fantastic beings different, separate from the groups that Kyon is involved in. She herself comments that she's a "Cameo Appearance" in the movie that Kyon and Haruhi made; all of the elements within turned out to be real in a fashion. In the novels, she has joked that the Main/{{Masquerade}} that Kyon's explanations provide isn't particularly effective, but also, that she's not going to get involved besides being a very amused spectator. Kyon never acknowledges her saying this.
* It would seem Tsuruya's adventures (based on an off-hand comment) involve Espers, Aliens, and Main/{{Precursors}} with super-advanced technology. She "shares" the Aliens and Espers with Haruhi. Note the interesting discrepancy, in the Kyon/Haruhi verse, the Precursor Technology concept would completely conflict with their current "definitions." Therefore, she avoids direct interaction in order to prevent an Main/ArmedWithCanon situation (between ''gods'') that could damage reality. Kyon's willful rebellion to the Time Travellers in unearthing the Out Of Place Artifact could have significant results metaphysically.
* Alternatively, Tsuruya is in fact [[spoiler:part of the anti-SOS brigade as the EvilCounterpart to Kyon. Note the goal of Fujiwara, the Counterpart to the time travelling Mikuru, is to make time travel impossible, and as a character, he shows utter contempt for all aspects of it.]] Sounds like a character created specifically with ArmedWithCanon in mind, don't it?

[[WMG: Tsuruya is a MadScientist, or at least the daughter of one.]]
Well, we already have a regular powerless character. Mad scientists tend to maniacally laugh at any time, and also Tsuruya has a connection with Asahina. While it's probably true that she's not from Mikuru's time (She said so herself, although she might be lying) her tendencies could have attracted her to Mikuru. Plus, Time Travelers and Espers in this show are not super obvious, so why would Mad Scientists be any different?
* Plus, she's got a [[BigFancyHouse pretty big house]], so she's probably rich. Also, her family DOES have ties to the Organization, perhaps providing them with technological support. It would also explain the [[spoiler:buried futuristic stuff in the mountain]]
Or maybe...

[[WMG: Tsuruya is a Vampire]]
And since she's immortal, Mikuru knew her in the future. [[OurVampiresAreDifferent That stuff about vampires dying in the sun is crap anyway.]]
* And after all, she appears to be undead in the movie. If the cat can talk because of Haruhi, then how do we know Tsuruya, Taniguchi and/or Kinikida weren't changed also?
** [[CuteLittleFangs And the obvious quality...]]

[[WMG:Tsuruya is a devil, or the Slider herself. Heck, she might be God!]]
It wouldn't make sense on how she is a normal person besides Kyon in the SOS Brigade. Also, she has alternate adventures of her own, indicating that she might know how to work on different dimensions, and maybe she's hiding her powers to not cause a dimensional collapse (or maybe she doesn't even know that she has such powers). She could be the devil that Haruhi searches for because her general appearance reminds of a demon girl, and just because she laughes too much at the most meaningless things, like a trickster devil. Maybe all the plot is a plan by her, to make people think that ''Haruhi'' is God.
[[WMG: There are no sliders because Kyon hasn't met them yet]]
Specifically, because he hadn't met them yet in book two, when he went back in time.
While talking to Haruhi, she asks if he thinks Aliens, Time Travelers, and ESPers exist, and he says yes to each. She then asks about Sliders, and he replies "I haven't met any yet". Since this was more or less the point when Haruhi recreated the universe, there being no sliders is actually part of a StableTimeLoop in itself.
For a slider to come into existence, Haruhi will need to recreate the whole universe again, or at least create a separate universe that they can slide from

[[WMG: Tsuruya is immune to all forms of mind control]]
The characters in the "Adventures of Mikuru Asahina" are all similar to their actors. When Yuki brainwashes Tsuruya and the other two, Tsuruya's dialogue clearly shows that she is only pretending the be controlled and thus the real Tsuruya must be immune to mind control.

[[WMG: ''Tsuruya'' is God]]
And she has put Haruhi in control for the lulz. It worked.

[[WMG: Tsuruya is completely normal]]
...and created by Haruhi, most likely subconsciously. She was given all sorts of odd qualities and has an unusual sense about her to make Kyon wonder about her. Tsuruya was made to be the mystery that no one could solve.

[[WMG: Tsuruya is a time traveler.]]
And also, one of Mikuru's superiors. As shown in The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya, or the anime at least, Tsuruya shares the same ignorance towards modern technology ("Is this what video cameras are like there days?"). Also, in the novels, Tsuruya knows quite a bit more about the SOS Brigade than it appears.

[[WMG: Tsuruya is [[OlderThanTheyLook older than she might look.]]]]
Taking in consideration the example above ("Is this what video cameras are like these days?"), Tsuruya could actually not been from the future, but, in reality, she could not have updated herself technologically-wise, and may still be in an 80's mindset. If she's 40, [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld 400, or 4000 years old]], it's up to the reader. The reason could be either because she's a demon, or because she's plainly an [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots extremely advanced robot]], like [[GhostSweeperMikami Maria]].
* This fits in nicely with the above Vampire WMG.

[[WMG:Tsuruya is the slider]]
Because someone has to be, and we all know that Tsuruya is hiding some sort of secret.

[[WMG: Tsuruya has a physically identical twin.]]
Haruhi knows that every show will at some point have a reason for twins and as such made the universe prepared, with an identical copy of Tsuruya who acts far more mature than her sibling. Because everyone's on a LastNameBasis with Tsuruya, no-one can tell the difference until they're both in one place. Since Kyon's only had one serious discussion with Tsuruya, he's only met the serious twin once.
** Now I have this mental image of Tsuruya as [[{{Warhammer40000}} Alpharius]]

[[WMG: Tsuruya is a [[spoiler: Yakuza Heiress.]]]]
[[KyonBigDamnHero How has this not been suggested yet?]]

[[WMG: Tsuruya is like Kyon, whatever he is.]]
Technically this needn't disprove her being a Slider. Kyon's "slid" enough through dimensions despite seeming to be the normal one of the SoS Brigade. Technically, all of those times were effectively against his will originally.

Tsuruya is mysterious and has her own goals and background. She apparently knows enough to repeatedly as of volume 7 to tell Kyon "We're the same thing. Not like them". Borrowing from above, Tsuruya in the movie states she is only pretending to he mind controlled. What character has been practically immune to every dimension rewrite or noticed odd things? Kyon. Tsuruya's role balloons greatly in the same novel we are introduced to the anti-Mikuru, anti-Koizumi and the story after we see the first hints of the anti-Nagato.

This doesn't mean she is the Anti-SoS Kyon. She could be a rival Writer God to Kyon's True God WMG. If Kyon is a reality anchor, Tsuruya could be another who is aware enough of her nature to attempt to remain untethered to Haruhi.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:WMG other characters]]

[[WMG: EveryoneIsRelated]]
* It's been pointed out on this page that Kyon's sister looks a lot like Mikuru, but on the [[Characters/HaruhiSuzumiya character page]], it's pointed out that she also looks a lot like ''Haruhi''. Kyon and Itsuki also look like they could be related. Also, [[HandsOffParenting parents are largely absent in this show]], and while Kyon's mother occasionally gets mentioned in the novels, his father is completely absent. This is because, due to TimeTravel, Kyon is the father (or possibly grandfather in Mikuru's case) of every member of the SOS Brigade except for Yuki. [[MyOwnGrampa Yes, including himself; Mikuru being his granddaughter is based on the idea that she's Imouto-chan's daughter.]]

[[WMG: Every single person in Haruhi's class, except for Kyon, is an alien, time traveller, slider or esper.]]
They introduced themselves as such, but Haruhi wasn't listening, per previous guess. When she called out for paranormals afterwards, everybody was offended that she'd previously ignored them and didn't respond to said call.

[[WMG: None of the characters are a physical god.]]

Instead, the non-physical god is following Haruhi around to help her get over her issues. It's trying to set her up with Kyon because it thinks that will help her, and because she likes him.

[[WMG: Sakanaka is the true god of the series.]]
Simply because nobody would suspect such a minor character as being god.

[[WMG:The Alpha/Beta parts of Volume 9 are the result of Kuyou Main/SaveScumming]]
The key bits of evidence that supports this theory both come from Snow Mountain Syndrome. First, [[spoiler:Kuyou (and/or the Sky Canopy Domain), as it has been revealed, is responsible for the whole shabang.]] Second, [[spoiler:in both situations, Nagato becomes weakened and Kyon considers momentarily to use his [[TrustPassword trump card]] should it come down to it.]]

That said, recall, if you will, Koizumi's hypothesis in Snow Mountain Syndrome that the SOS Brigade members in the mansion are duplicates of the real SOS Brigade, akin to a save file on a game, and that the perpetrator of the scenario was likely to have been intending to provoke Haruhi. Therefore, Kukyou [[spoiler:and/or the Canopy Domain (hitherto only referred as "Kuyou" alone) is attempting this tactic again, this time in the real world so the SOS Brigade would be convinced that this "save" is the reality, as opposed to the "Main/ControllableHelplessness" of the mansion, dismissing the possiblity of "escape". The "save point" is right when Kyon picks up the phone (since that's where the split occurs). The α save is the default reality, while the ß save is the alternate created by Kuyou, and it's no holds barred: disabling Nagato, the Anti-SOS meeting Kyon, etc. When Kuyou grabbed Kimidori's arm, she was disconnecting Kimidori from the Data Integrated Thought Entity and weakening her like she did with Nagato (it would be counterintuitive to have an active IDTE Interface in the ß save). Additionally, girl that catches Kyon's interest in the α save is the Slider, in the dimensional and spatial sense; in other words, not only can she slide between dimensions, but she can slide through space (hence how she entered the Clubroom; she's the mysterious twelfth first-year); she'll join as the Main/SixthRanger.]]

What'll happen in the tenth novel with this in mind is still up in the air, but odds are that [[spoiler:the Slider will use her powers to connect a link between the α and β saves to stop Kuyou, though from what the Slider tells Kyon on the phone, she is a duplicate created by the IDTE (or perhaps herself) that was sent back in time after the fact, because otherwise she'd end up dead in creating the α/β link.]]

And actually, typing this gave me ''another'' Main/EpilepticTree to add...

* Hm. Makes more sense, in some ways, than the Kyon-is-the-slider theory.

[[WMG: [[spoiler:Kuyou is in love with Kyon and didn´t want to attack him in the first chapter of vol. 10.]]]]

[[spoiler:However, considering she doesn´t really get the difference between "alive" and "dead" and Kyon find her just HighOctaneNightmareFuel, it still may be somewhat better Asakura appeared. Somewhat...]]

[[WMG:Kuyou is the "shadow girl"]]
Kuyou [[spoiler:was the one that "pushed" Kyon down the stairs in the alternate December 18th. She is hinted at being able to hide herself, explaining why Koizumi speculates that the "shadow girl" doesn't exist.]]

What's more, [[spoiler:the whole scenario in volume 4 was created by the Sky Canopy Domain: Over time, so Nagato doesn't notice, the SCD combines its power with the power Nagato gets from the IDTE, which is why Nagato seems to appear "less alien", and the result is that the SCD is discretely in control of Nagato (she thought she was acting on her own), and the resultant combined powers exceed Haruhi's, being self-aware and nigh omniscient. On the morning of December 18th, SCD Nagato creates a new save point, resulting in the alternate dimension (whether the escape program was made under the SCD's design is anyone's guess at this point, but it was probably normal Nagato's creation). When the gun was fired at the alternate Nagato, it negated the alternate world and drove the SCD out of her, but by that point the SCD had enough data from Nagato to create their own interface, thus resulting in Kuyou.]]

Which brings us back to the "shadow girl". [[spoiler:The SCD still had the save point, so Kuyou transferred Kyon's mind back into the alternate world (while erasing what he already had of December eighteenth), and that caused Kyon's empty husk to collapse.]] By that time, Nagato was starting to suspect [[spoiler:the Sky Canopy Domain]].

[[WMG: The _______ Syndrome sequences, and Kuyou, the slider(?), the unidentified shadow person, have/has (pick and choose as makes sense to you) something to do with Little Sister.]]
Book: Remote Island Syndrome: Imouto stays home, no shadow. Haruhi makes everything real [[spoiler: [[OrIsIt Or does she]]?]][[hottip:?: [[OrIsIt Or doesn't she]]?]] \\
Anime: Remote Island Syndrome: Imouto convinces the club to let her along. Shadowy person appears in the storm, but escapes from what seemed to be a dead end before an identification could be made.\\
Book: Snow Mountain Syndrome: Imouto stows away until it's too late to send her back home. Shadowy person almost knocks Kyon down, is gone by the time Kyon regains his faculties.\\
Anime: Snow Mountain Syndrome: ???\\
My guess is that Kyon and Little Sister retain their link to the old world, their old place, place of origin, whatever you may call it, or are amongst the few beings that, for one reason or another, Haruhi doesn;t affect in the same way as everything else. The thing that makes it so Kyon is the rock Haruhi can't lift, because he's from outside her jurisdiction, or the wrong format, or whatever. This is the connection that allows the shadowy person (probably an interface of an alternate IDE, likely connected to or the same character as Kuyou) to exist, as Haruhi's enthusiasm for closed-circle mysteries and the presence of at least two of whatever-or-from-wherever-Kyon-is are among the minimum requirements to effect such a situation. Kuyou's strongly implied abilities beyond what has been confirmed would provide another link between her and the shadowy-yet(-[[WeirdnessCensor incredibly]]?)-unremarkable person who was most likely the cause of the _____ Syndrome locked spaces, but it is not absolutely necessary.
[[OrIsIt Or is she?]] Perhaps at some point, Johnny finally gets tired of his wild imagination pulling him into crazy situations and bestows his powers on Kirsty, who being the [[IHaveManyNames identity challenged]] person she is warps both her and Johnny into completely new identities and forms, as well as a different island nation. Still a bit of a backwater though.

* The fact that the first book centered on data based aliens, the second on Johnny suddenly realizing he can see "post senior citizens" and ghosts, and the third deals with time travel may explain why the three major groups represented by the SOS are data based aliens, ESPers, and time travelers. The ESPers may have different powers because Kirsty wasn't directly involved with the second story and thus may have only gone with her own general idea of "psychic powers." It also fits that Kyon was originally intended to be the ESPer and Johnny was actually one.

Whether Mrs. Tachyon is a member of Asahina's group, their rivals, or is indeed Ms. Asahina herself from way, way, WAY further down the timeline is up in the air.

[[WMG:The shadow that Haruhi saw while on the island is somehow connected to Kyon's sister.]]
In the novels Kyon's sister doesn't go to the island, and the shadow doesn't appear.

[[WMG: The shadow on the island episode will return in a later series.]]
The anime series departs occasionally from the written form of the series, and they may have set it up as potential for padding in later series where they stole stuff to flesh out ''Melancholy'' to fourteen episodes.

[[WMG: Tanigawa Nagaru is actually an adherent of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordian Discordianism]] and the series is pretty much an [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mindfuck Operation Mindfuck]] pet project of his.]]
Just look at the intro description for Operation Mindfuck, it all fits! Also, the reason why the tenth novel is late is because Tanigawa Nagaru is [[{{Troll}} trolling]] everybody--all in the name of Operation Mindfuck! The Chao is strong in him indeed. Knowing all this, we can then be reasonably certain that the tenth novel will probably end with [[spoiler:five tons of flax]].

[[WMG:Asakura Ryoko was ordered to attack Kyon and fail.]]
Points to consider: A big part of this is the fact that she ''fails.'' Granted, she's not as powerful as Yuki, but the idea she couldn't kill Kyon, a confirmed {{Muggle}}, (probably) essentially instantly is a big of a stretch. Secondly, who saves him? Why, the nice alien girl who he didn't believe before. Suddenly, he now has proof she's an alien and will trust her. If Asakura had been ordered to do it, suddenly the IDE has an agent next to Kyon, who controls Haruhi. There was no way she could have gotten that close to him without said incident with her personality. Possibly, this is part of the reason she freaked out in the fourth novel. She didn't like deceiving Kyon in such a manner and tried to remake the world to them having a normal, friendly (possibly romantic) relationship without her bosses, to whom she has less loyalty [[CharacterDevelopment by this point]] than Kyon.

[[WMG: Ryoko was developing real emotions]]
Ryoko attacks Kyon because her priorities are different, not because she is emotionless. Like Yuki she can not change the expression on her face easily, so she is always smiling. Her song "Cool Edition" sends mixed signals with lines about how cold and emotionless she is, as well also saying how sad she is. She doesn't really seem to fear death because she doesn't really die.

[[WMG: Ryoko's song Koyubi de Gyu! is about Yuki and Her]]
As mentioned by me above If you read them only passingly you might think they where about Haruhi or just school life, but I was going over the lyrics and noticed something. This takes into account Ryoko is made to be more socialble then Yuki.
->''On the way home, would you like to drop by that shop?''
this suggests it's someone she would walk home with, note Haruhi never knew where Ryoko lived. Yuki lives in the same building as Ryoko they may have walked home together from time to time. Ryoko may have tried to convince her to go shopping with her.
->''You and I might be alike somehow''
Ok list three ways that Haruhi and her are alike that arn't stupidly obvious.
->''We can get a smile''
I think she's really just asking Yuki to smile for her. I think since her an Yuki where both the same thing she wanted Yuki to be her friend (and maybe more)this leads me to one final WMG. Also there are more reasons I believe this but I don't wanna list them here.
See http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/haruhi/koyubidegyu.html for the lyrics.

[[WMG: Ryoko had alternitive motives for attacking Kyon...jealousy]]
Ryoko noticed Yuki began acting diffrently after she went to the libary with Kyon. She realised Kyon had sparked some reaction in Yuki that she originally wanted to spark. This caused confict inside her, killing Kyon would effect Haruhi and effect Yuki so she decided to convince herself it was to make Haruhi react so she could kill Kyon without guilt as it was a mission she had to do.

[[WMG: Sasaki really does want power.]]
She's just as DangerouslyGenreSavvy as Haruhi, and knows that a RefusalOfTheCall will establish you as a humble and reasonable person from whom AGodAmI declaration would seem completely out of the question. Methinks she doth protest too much.

[[WMG:Sasaki is not Haruhi's Evil Analogue]]
She's playing Kyon to an unknown RealityWarper. Think of Day of Sagittarius; if the boss goes down, the whole side goes down, so you don't put the boss where the enemy can see them. Quite possibly, Sasaki has already played her "trump card", and so can set up situations more to her liking than Kyon can. Also, aside from Kuyoh, this would make Sasaki's team a gender flip of Haruhi's; maybe the Sudou supposed to be organising the middle school reunion is Evil Haruhi. The reason they need Kyon is to destabilise Haruhi enough that she can be taken out without her rewriting her own defeat.

[[WMG: [[AzumangaDaioh Sakaki]] is Sasaki.]]

[[WMG: Taniguchi and Kunikida will both be sliders]]
Well, they can't be ThoseTwoGuys forever, right? After all, '''[[NominalImportance they have names]]'''.
* Alternatively, only Taniguchi is special. He receives much more attention, even on the novels (before being dubbed by Shirashi Minoru). Also Yuki ''did'' describes him as a "interesting person". And whe she used similar word to describes Haruhi and herself she wasn't talking about '''[[ArtificialHuman the]]''' '''[[RealityWarper obvious]]'''.

[[WMG: Kunikida and/or Taniguchi are Espers employed by the Orginzation]]
Tanigawa's love of making background characters ChekhovsGunmen seems rather odd when ThoseTwoGuys are considered in. Taniguchi and Kunikida have only acted as moron and milquetoast, respectively, while many other characters have turned out to be more than they appear. Kunikida always has the same smarmy grin as Koizumi, so throw that in, if you want.
* I wholly agree, simply because it's hinted that Taniguchi WAS involved with Haruhi earlier, and he says that Koizumi makes him uncomfortable; not to mention that Kunikida has quite a few knowing looks or grins in the novel.
** Someone from the organisation had to keep an eye on Haruhi in middle school - a teacher could have done it, but a student could have gotten closer. Taniguchi did say he was in her class the whole time, and apparently tried to get close, so he fits. When they ended up in the same high school he was supposed to carry on as before, but overheard Harhui wanting a 'Mysterious Transfer Student', thus tipping off the organisation to send in Itsuki, who would be able to get into the club Haruhi had set up. Kunikida, who went to middle school with Kyon, is only really likely to be an esper if Kyon is a/the real god, unless he's one of Sasaki's espers, and couldn't go with her because she entered an all-girl's school.
However, the idea might just be the same as with the "Kyon as the real God/a slider" theory: it's much more fun if they're actually 100% human, because it's not what we're expecting - and it shows how special they are as characters that they can have even that much impact, and yet they're 100% ordinary humans (which is the case with almost NOBODY in the books, the only possible other exceptions being Tsuruya and Kyon's sister).
*** And those two exceptions are pretty iffy if you buy into the theories that Tsuruya is a Slider/Kyon's Sister is Mikuru.

[[WMG: Taniguchi is the devil and Kunikida is God and the entire series is the result of an Job type bet between them ]]
Taniguchi (the devil) bets Kunikida (God) that humans are selfish and evil creatures, Kunikida bets that humans are basically good and do care about other people. To see who is right Kunikida grants god-like reality warping power to the biggest jerkass Taniguchi can find (Haruhi) and Kunikida picks Kyon (the only one made immune to Haruhi's powers) as his champion to save Mikuru and the world from Haruhi, proving that there is at least one good person left in sodom.
*** Taniguchi being the devil would shine a whole new light on his spiel about how perhaps love is whats missing in his life, when he talks about the love taxi in the 2nd season "sigh" story arc.

[[WMG: Arakawa is [[LukeIamYourFather Taniguchi's Father]]]]
Hey, they look alike. Maybe Taniguchi's constant hitting on women is a side affect of a lack of a father figure. Alternatively, Arakawa was around to be a father to Taniguchi, but because he became an esper, [[LaserGuidedAmnesia He erased his son's memories and disappeared.]]
* Or Taniguchi really is apart of the Esper faction...
[[WMG: Mikuru isn't just a Time Lord she is [[{{Doctor Who}} The Doctor herself]]]]
He always said he wanted to be ginger ...

[[WMG: Kunikida will turn out to be a slider.]]
He's a named character, and in this show, that means he's important. If someone is a slider, I bet it's him, If only because he hasn't really done anything yet.

[[WMG: Kyon's little sister will turn out to be a slider.]]
I SMELL A PLOT TWIST!!

[[WMG: Taniguchi and Kunikida are (or will be) a stealth parody of {{Boys Love}} and yaoi in general]]

Taniguchi is taller, more outspoken, looks a lot older, flirts constantly, and tries to talk himself up (seme). Kunikida is child-like in appearence, shorter, quieter, and often follows (uke). Not to mention they're {{Those Two Guys}}, and [[HoYay look what happened to Rosencrantz and Guildenstern when they got their own backstory]].
[[WMG:Taniguchi is Nagaru Tanigawa's AuthorAvatar.]]
* A background character that hangs out with the protagonist that he doesn't want to make a PossessionSue? Yes. An entertaining Muggle? Check. '''Their last names contain the same character at the beginning?''' Check.
** Either that, or his avatar is Yuki '''Naga'''to.

[[WMG: All of the teachers are government plants.]]
The events surrounding Haruhi and the conspiracies which battle over her are too large to go unnoticed by people who's whole jobs are to anylize data for threats to the country they are from. It is highly likely that someone connected the dots and have already infiltrated the high school. As Haruhi gets older and more mature, she may find entertainment in government conspiracies as well.

[[WMG: The computer club president's name is phonetically similar to "Ya-* nyan* ".]]
It could be that he had an unusual name, say, surname Ya from chinese ancestry and personal name Nyan or (misread) ryan[sic] from a hebrew-speaking parent or parent who found western or mythological names interesting, or that his favorite snack was at one time [=YanYan=] (or someone called him that after an embarassing incident involving chocolate creme) and he would NeverLiveItDown.

[[WMG:The Anti-SOS Brigade are {{DesignatedVillain}}s.]]
Think about it; we don't really know much about them yet. Fujiwara is an asshole, but it seems to be a WellIntentionedExtremist. Kyoko seems to be a kind individual, and only commits evil deeds on orders from her morally ambiguous leaders. Kuyo seems entirely robotic, but it seems this is just because Sky Canopy Domain cannot comprehend a perfect ambassador to human thought processes.
* FINALLY, someone that comes to their aid! They're always inappropriately villainized in the community, when all the evidence points to them being Designated villains. It's clear that Kyoko is a caring person, who, like Fujiwara, believe they are doing the right thing. And Kuyoh... well, we don't know shit about her. In fact, Tanigawa probably doesn't either, considering how late the novels are...
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[[folder:WMG Misc]]

[[WMG: The fakes in Snow Mountain Syndrome did not reflect who the dweller desired most, but rather the ones they feared the most]]
* think about it, mikuru is the one kyon knows least about. also kyon might fear that she's only using him. also the future mikuru told him to not get to close to her younger self, which may make kyon suspect that mikuru might be up to something bad.
* then haruhi finds kyon very mysterious which gives her an uncertainty and fear of him.
* Itsuki and yuki wonder if kyon's hiding something from them and maybe suspect that kyon might be using haruhi for his own nefarious purpose.
* you know why mikuru would fear haruhi

[[WMG: NeonGenesisEvangelion is a previous iteration of Haruhi's universe, and Asuka a previous incarnation of her]]
Haruhi developed an interest in mecha anime, conspiracy theories, esoteric mysticism, and psychology, and decided to create a universe based on them to entertain herself for a while. unfortunately, things went horribly wrong, and she decided to scrap that universe and create a somewhat nicer, more normal one to apologize to the people she made suffer, and surrounding herself with people she knew in that life: Kaworu as Itsuki, Shinji as Mikuru, Rei as guess fucking who, Misato as Tsuruya, ThoseTwoGuys as [[ThoseTwoGuys those two other guys]], and Gendo as Kyon, partly to punish him, but also to ensure he can use his bastardry to indirectly play God if need be. She's mostly happy now, but occasionally, her dreams are haunted by strange, destructive, incomprehensible giants wreaking havoc on the works of man...

[[WMG: There is another organization based on censoring all entertainment media.]]
They have to carefully screen out/ delete anything that their test audiences (who were carefully selected to be on a similar mental level) react too positively to, otherwise she'll change everything into what she's been watching. And this group fears the day that the SOS Brigade fails, Haruhi gets really depressed, and engrossed by [[NeonGenesisEvangelion a series that's too well known and too much of a marketing giant]] for the organization to {{RetGone}}

[[WMG: Haruhi takes place in the ShinMegamiTensei universe]]
If we take Kyon to be a MegaTen MC, then look at it. He can't use any supernatural abilities, but he has an uncanny knack for persuading various 'demons' to side with him. The Data entities can use digital machinations to interfere with reality, and probably could write a program that summoned demons. The presence of time travel was demonstrated in Raidou's games. The 'Espers' are likely Avatar Tuners, albeit ones that can only transform in innately unreal places. The factions are The Organization, the IDE, and Mikuru's employers on the Law side, and the SCD, future dissidents, and rogue espers are the Chaos sides. Kyon is currently on the nuetral path, and has actually persuaded the representatives of Law to side with him over their fellows. The Enclosed Spaces are miniature Vortex Worlds created by Haruhi, who somehow has YHVH's power to recreate the world. Also consider that Haruhi's agents within the enclosed spaces are what appear to be Gog Magog http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Gogmagog except with glowing red orbs...a sign of her control?



[[WMG: Nothing is real, with some exceptions.]]
Haruhi Suzumiya is not a reality warper in any way, shape or form. I postulate the following:
* Anything that Haruhi Suzumiya does not directly observe cannot be proven to have actually happened.
* The series (and this is important) is NARRATED by Kyon, but is OBSERVED from Haruhi's point of view.
Allow me to elaborate on that second point. This might get a bit complicated.
* Consider a list of everything that ever happens that is directly observed by Haruhi Suzumiya. This set of events we shall call S.
** 'Disappearance' Haruhi DOES NOT COUNT. S contains all events perceived by the ORIGINAL Haruhi Suzumiya.
* Consider the set of events that take place according to Kyon. Call this set of events set K.
* Now consider the set of events that occur in the story. Call this set of events set Z.
* K does not contain S, nor does S contain K. Certain events exist which were not observed by Haruhi Suzumiya but which exist in K (The Asakura fight, all of Disappearance). Likewise, certain events exist within S which do not exist within K (What Haruhi does when out of Kyon's line of sight, etc)
* All events contained within S are provably true, and cannot be disproven. Hence, all events within S did actually happen.
* Events that exist in K only happened if evidence for them exists within S.
* Because Kyon is narrating, all events within K exist within Z.
* In addition to this, SOME but not all of S exists within Z.
* Whenever K and S exist together, the events DESCRIBED but not the explanations given by K are true and actually did happen.
* HENCE: Wherever K exists without S, no evidence of those events exists within S in such a way that could not be explained without the need for supernatural phenomena.
Enough set theory for you? Me too. Let me try this again.
* Nothing that Haruhi Suzumiya perceives cannot be explained by the SOS Brigade being composed of normal, if slightly eccentric, students.
* All alleged supernatural phenomena occurs during 'gaps' in Haruhi Suzumiya's perception.
* The narration of the stories is ONE of a near-infinite number of possible ways these gaps COULD have been filled.
* In effect, the Narrator of the stories is NOT Kyon, but is in fact Haruhi Suzumiya's imagination, passively imagining exactly what goes on when she is not present.
* The Integrated Data Sentience Entity, time travelers, ESPers, et cetera, comprise Haruhi Suzumiya's "Alternative Explanation" for the events that she perceives.
* This alternative explanation is imagined such that it cannot be proved or disproved based on what Haruhi Suzumiya knows.
To sum up,
* Haruhi Suzumiya is not God, a Reality Warper, or anything even remotely supernatural. She's a hyperactive teenager with a barely-suppressed God complex, creating an elaborate fantasy world around the entirely mundane events of her life. The stories are narrated by her internalization of one of her friends.
* Who's really narrating?

[[WMG: The whole series is AllJustADream ]]
A girl dumped Kyon the day before. Now, he is having a nightmare of her. A pretty LONG nightmare.
* Makes sense to me. But [[ParanoiaFuel what's going to happen when he wakes up]]?

[[WMG:The entire series is in fact an interpretation of Gnosticism]]
Following the notion that the true God is not Haruhi, but actually Kyon, then Haruhi might as well be considered as the Demiurge, or inferior creator god. In Gnosticism the Demiurge is usually portrayed as malevolent, which would explain Haruhi's malevolent attitude towards members of the SOS Brigade, especially Mikuru....

[[WMG: The entire Haruhi-verse is nothing but a game]]
To be exact, a MMORPG kind of game. Yeah, like the (dot)hack universe. Kyon, Mukuru, Nagato, and Itsuki are players in said game, while Haruhi is just an AI. This explains why she gets little to none character development, it's because she's nothing but an NPC, controlled by the computer. It's also the source of her reality-warping powers. The reason why Kyon is always referred to as just 'Kyon' is because his in-game name is Kyon. 'ESPers', 'Aliens' and 'Timetravellers' are just types of characters, like 'Druids' and in a fantasy-setting RPG. Oooh, I feel a fanfic plotbunny coming on...

[[WMG: Haruhi is TV Tropes.]]
At some point,this website becomes a sentient entity.And its powered by the imagination of tropers.Face it,Haruhi is the poster girl for Wild Mass Guessing,and knows her tropes.Not to mention,it'd be AWESOME

[[WMG:The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya take place in The World of Darkness after The Time of Judgment. Haruhi is an Archmaster of Prime who retread to a pocket universe that she carved out of the UMBRA several centuries after the end of the Ascension War ]] Haruhi Suzumiya was originally a Japanese Hollow One with a knack for magic of The Prime Sphere. Who formed an eclectic Cabal while in high school. Consisting of a pair Of Sleepwalkers, Kyon and his little sister. A quite Virtual Adepts named Yuki Nagato. A positively adorable and seemingly incompetent Etherite from an alternate timeline,Mikuru Asahina. And a flamboyant Celestial Chorister, Itsuki Koizumi.

Haruhi named her cabal the S.O.S Brigade, and lead them on all manor of CONSENSUS shattering adventures. They took journeys deep into the UMBRA; and threw a concert in City of Concordia in HORIZON Chantry. They Crossed paths with all the other Denizens of The World of Darkness...and had fun with them!

[[WMG:Said three-years-ago occurrence is on July 7, 2007 (7/7/7).]]
A [[http://haruhiism.com/ video]] was released depicting some of the events of that chapter; the timestamp is explicitly "2007/7/7". This would make the main series take place in 2010.
* ''Confirmed'' in one of the books: in [[spoiler:Kyon's second trip to]] the three-years-ago date, he picks up a newspaper, and sees a date "which some would consider to be a lucky number."
** Not necessarily; many people consider 8 to be a lucky number, so the occurrenc being on 2008/08/08 would also make sense.
*** But both the 2007 and 2008 theories only makes sense if you retcon what Kyon states in the prologue of the first book. Kyon says that after Junior high nothing happenned in 1999? Wouldn't that make the three-years-ago occurrence 1996?
*** From what this troper remembers, he never states that 1999 was after junior high, or anything really related to that. It's at the very least implied that hanging around Sasaki made Kyon gradually give up on his hopes of meeting espers, time travellers, etc, but it's never really stated that he gave up on all that right before high school. He could just be saying that nothing happening in 1999 sped up the process of him ceasing to believe in all of that fantasy stuff.
*** This troper simply saw it as a moment of Kyon being the unreliable narrator. also he does say he gave up believing in sliders and whatnot after junior high Quote:After junior high, I completely grew out of that fantasy world and became utterly grounded in reality. Nothing happened in 1999, even though I kept hoping, just a bit, that something would.:End Quote.
**** Rather, he's obviously referencing [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem Y2K]]; simply stating that nothing happened as the year turned to 2000, as much as he hoped something would. If we assume Kyon was in fact a first year in high school on 07/07/2007, then, he was still in elementary during 1999-2000; hence this was before he became 'utterly grounded in reality'. Indeed, there is no indication that he was in middle-school as [=Y2K=] was scheduled to occur. Ultimately: Kyon's reference of 'nothing happening in 1999' does not even begin to provide us with an adequate timestamp for the series.
* Sorry, fellow tropers, but the first book states that the first day after golden week was a Wednesday. Being that the first day after golden week is May 6, the only occurrence of that in the last ten years is 2009, making the three years in the past 2006.
** However, as I recall a later book puts Valentine's Day on a Monday. Since that event is in the year after ''Melancholy'', if those events were in 2009 then the Valentine's Day story would take place in 2010. February 14th 2010 is a Sunday, which doesn't match, however February 14th 2011 is a Monday, which would set the start of the series in 2010 and 'Three Years Ago' in 2007. Given the 'lucky date' didn't come until later it's possible that it was Retconned in.
*** I stipulate that there is no day that fits. If February 14th was a Monday, then December 19th (Second day of missing Haruhi) would be a Sunday, meaning he would not go to school on that day. The going to school problem can only work for the years 2002, 2003 and 2008 as the year the story begins in. Of course, the real answer is [[RealityWarper Haruhi]] messed up the timeline to make her work timeless.

[[WMG:The entire show is a dramatisation of ''real events''.]]
The characters refer to real things frequently, and nobody on the show ever Main/{{Facefault}}ed. I mean ''ever''. Seriously, watch closely. Many of the episodes revolve around everyday activities like culture fests or lugging heaters around. If this is true, then it does of course mean that we'd all better pray Haruhi stays happy, or else it's curtains for us.
* And, given that the critical three-years-ago juncture happened on July 7, 2007, that means that ''the entire universe was just recently created!'' Deep, man. Deep.
** And going even further, if we disregard the security footage and consider that 8 is considered a lucky number for the Chinese, then that would place the three-years-ago juncture at 8/8/8 or thereabouts, which means that ''the universe doesn't even exist yet!'' Anything you see is therefore a figment of your non-existent imagination, or rather, what you think you're experiencing right now is nothing more than a [[FakeMemories false memory]] you'll be given once you start existing. Alternatively, the world is going to end in less than a year. Better get those long-term stocks unloaded, folks.
*** Less than a month, now. Dun-dun-dun!
**** Less than a ''week'' now.
***** Already happened. I really didn't notice it at all, so there you go.
*** Jossed by the fact that Three Years Ago (tm) was on Tanabata, which is 7 July.
**** [[Main/{{Serial Experiments Lain}} Present Day. :giggle: Present Time! Mwahahahahaha!"]] Oh wait, that's a different God.
*** Does this mean the {{Groundhog Day Loop}} will happen this summer?!
* If this is true, then the only logical conclusion would by that Kyon is actually [[spoiler:Tanigawa Nagaru]]. This could also explain why [[spoiler:Novel 10 is so late, maybe he is still waiting for these events to happen, or he could even be the slider and returned home without finishing it.]]
* What's even more interesting is that all the places mentioned/shown in the novels and anime are real. [[http://tanasinn.info/wiki/Stalking_Haruhi_Suzumiya Just check out these side-by-side comparisons.]] Both the high school that Kyon and Haruhi go to, as well as the town they live in actually exists and can be viewed from Google Earth and/or actually visited. It is therefore reasonable to assume that all the characters from the series are real people living there as we speak, or at the very least, they exist there in an equally real, alternate universe and may have visited ours on occasion.
* Well, major events of the story seem to be influenced by Tanigawa's own experiences; in junior high he had a friend who was intelligent, charismatic, and a natural leader. In high school he met an upperclassman who was the sole member of the literary club and helped her gain more members.

[[WMG: There ''was'' originally a death in the Island Mystery, but Haruhi/Kyon rewrote it so it became an elaborate "game" instead.]]
When they realized the full implications (namely, that [[spoiler: Kyon and Itsuki had accidentally killed the victim]]), they rewrote the entire scenario at that very spot, including the past leading up to it. This makes sense whether the one doing the reality-altering is Haruhi ([[spoiler: who is visibly shaken by her own deduction and refuses to say anything that would incriminate her friends--incidentally showing that she has had some Main/CharacterDevelopment as well]]) or Kyon ([[spoiler: who obviously doesn't want to be guilty of someone else's death, accidental or not]]).
* With the aid of [[UminekoNoNakuKoroNi Battler Ushiromiya]], who knows a thing or two about temperamental young women.
* Glad I'm not the only one who thought that was the implication.
** I assumed that was the whole point. Note how she wants an actual mystery on the trip, so whatever happened as a result would be real. It only becomes unreal when she realises that the murderers would be Kyon and Itsuki, and there being no mystery becomes more important than there being a mystery. My evidence? The visual references to Phoenix Wright during the revelation scene; that entire section is made up by Haruhi/Kyon and the visual reference comes from her expectation of what a revelation scene should look like.

[[WMG: In the previous iteration of the universe, [[http://everything2.com/e2node/The%2520world%2520was%2520designed%2520for%2520giant%2520squid octopi were the dominant species]]...]]
... however, octo-Haruhi frequented the molluscan version of the TV Tropes Wiki, and became entranced by the idea that [[Main/EverythingsBetterWithMonkeys Everything's Better With Monkeys]]. The rest followed naturally.
* Going by the same logic, the next iteration of the universe will be populated by [[Main/EverythingsBetterWithPenguins intelligent penguins]].
** Does that mean we're safe from a [[EverythingsWorseWithBears future run by intelligent bears?]]
** Well, at least we know why [[EverythingsEvenWorseWithSharks Everything's Even Worse With Sharks]].

[[WMG: The whole universe the series is set in is one big experimental scenario run by a wacky KingOfAllCosmos]]
Said KingOfAllCosmos is the creator of TheMultiverse and, bored with watching all of the other 'verses whose inhabitants are bound within whatever scientific laws hold true in their local universe, creates one (or possibly more) where several of its inhabitants are capable of [[RealityWarper manipulating its laws]] just to see what would happen. To tie in with an earlier WMG, Tsuruya is the avatar of the aforementioned KingOfAllCosmos who is watching everything unfold with great amusement.

[[WMG:The entire series is an ''Adventures of Mikuru Asahina'' SelfInsertFic. Haruhi is an original-character MarySue.]]
The author, American 7th-grader Harriet Sussmeyer, ships Itsuki with the canonically minor character Kyon (yet fails to come up with an actual name for him), refuses to believe Yuki is the villain, and has a Deviant Art account full of drawings of Mikuru in random costumes. Naturally, she's much better acquainted with the conventions of anime than with those of [[UsefulNotes/JapaneseCulture actual Japanese society]], on which she DidNotDoTheResearch.

[[WMG:The members of the SOS Brigade are overestimating the amount of danger Haruhi really represents if she discovers what she is.]]
Or worse, her not knowing is actually putting the universe at GREATER risk. Haruhi might certainly enjoy having the power, but the real threat of her overwriting the current universe is because she ''doesn't know to prevent it'' as things stand. If she became aware, [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold she might indulge in some godly mischief, but she wouldn't actually destroy anything.]]
* I find it difficult to refute this argument. Frankly, I'd rather have the local equivalent of God knowingly giving out PsychicPowers and bringing in the occasional alien invasion than accidentally ''unmaking the entire universe with a temper tantrum''.
* I agree. Consider that Haruhi is aware that GoodFeelsGood, demonstrably prefers a nice day hanging out with her friends to actually finding the supernatural stuff she claims to be hunting for, and can be relied upon not to wish people dead even when it would otherwise serve her desires perfectly. Most tellingly of all, Kyon would rather tell Haruhi everything than let Yuki be deleted. Either he has the worst case of AlwaysSaveTheGirl in history, or he -- the person who knows Haruhi best -- doesn't really expect the results of her finding out to be that bad.
* This makes perfect sense. Haruhi might be fuckle and egotistical, which may be considered good reasons to keep her godhood a secret, but she's never been actively malicious. She would almost certainly avoid intentionally harming anyone, though you could not absolutely guarantee the safety of anyone caught up in her games. So, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Nice job jeopardising the Universe, S.O.S. Brigade!]]

[[WMG:The Integrated Data Entity evolved from the different operating systems of our universe and manifested in the universe where the series is set.]]
This is why Yuki's [[RewritingReality reality hacking]] consists of sped-up and reversed SQL statements. The differing factions within the Integrated Data Entity are the manifestation of the diffrent operating systems(Microsoft Windows, Mac OS, Linux/{{UNIX}}, etc.) of our world. The Sky Canopy Domain, on the other hand, evolved from 4chan. Which is why Kuyou is a much more crude interface than Nagato, speaks in an apparently nonsensical manner, has a weak sense of individuality, and is utterly incapable of normal social interaction.
* So I guess Asakura is Vista, because she's complicated and occasionally glitches, Nagato is a Mac that's quiet and reliable. Dunno why Emiri would be a Linux, but I'll say she is to fit the theme.
** Emiri is Linux, because she's quiet, calm and controlled and has never glitched before.
** Then again, Nagato could be Windows 2000. She bears more than a passing resemblance to [[http://ostan-moyashi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ostan/img/2k1.jpg 2K-tan]]...

[[WMG: The Integrated Thought Entity will be destroyed]]
Through a series of deus ex machinas and gaping plot holes, Yuki will somehow become her own being, separate from the ITE, and reduce it to ash. A while after this is done, the ITE will become two separate beings, the [[Main/{{Futurama}} Galactic Entity, and the Brainspawn]].

[[WMG: The ITE is a [[{{CosmicHorror}} Lovecraftian Horror.]]]] Something I thought up on the fly, but I think it makes some sort of sense...It speaks a language not heard by human ears for example...
* This coincides with this troper's speculation that the ITE is a lloigor, or collection of lloigors from the ''{{Illuminatus}}''-trilogy.

[[WMG: The Sky Canopy Dominion intetionally designed Kuyou to be more primitive then the Data Intergrated Entity's interfaces.]]
The Sky Canopy Dominion is aware of Yuki's thwft of Hruhi's powers and the subsequent destruction of the Data Integrated Entity, fearing what would happen if it created a similar interface it chose to make one that was more primitive.


[[WMG: There is an Entity Interface that has joined the Agency, and possibly there are other intermixes in the three groups]]
In the episodes Remote Island Syndrome Part 1 and 2, [[spoiler:the Agency set up]] a murder mystery that involved a typhoon. Espers are mentioned as having only the ability to manipulate closed space. The Integrated Thought Entity has the ability to alter the weather. However, Nagato does not support doing so as it would cause strange weather patterns. So it would have to be some sort of other interface.

[[WMG:Data Entity Agents, Time Travellers, and Espers are all the same thing; their differences are cultural, with different priorities leading to different abilities.]]
Mikuru reveals that physical technology is abandoned for psychic tools in the future, much like how Agents access the Data Entity. The medium through which this is done is ESP. In the novels, one "half-Esper" accidentally partially hooks himself into the Integrated Data Entity, making him think he's in love with Nagato.
* Another example, during the scenario with the Data Parasites incident between the neighborhood dogs and his cat, Kyon muses to himself that if the Data Entity really wants to be able to experience humanity, they'd have to merge with humans. There is no such thing as idle speculation in this show.
** Another theory is that they are all actually the same faction but simply at different points in the time stream. The Organization will use its power and influence gradually steer events and become the Future Humans of Mikuru's home time and continue to develop until humanity itself evolves beyond time and space and becomes the Integrated Data Thought Entity.

[[WMG: Aliens and Time Travelers always existed Haruhi is simply responsible for attracting them to herself]]
Both Mikuru and Yuki give reasons why they are observing Haruhi, the inability to go back in time beyond a certain point and a burst of data with Haruhi at the epicenter, respectively. On the other hand Koizumi claims he instinctively knew about Haruhi and her powers indicating he is fundamentally different from Mikuru and Yuki.

[[WMG: Espers are a fail-safe built into Haruhi's powers and will exist no matter how normal anyone using her powers tries to make the world]]
Sasaki doesn't have any desire to change the world, but espers still came into to being when she had her powers. This would also mean that Yuki has espers although she may not be aware of this.
* Wasn't there a guy who was an Esper, but accidentally tapped into the ITE, thus making him mistake his vision of it as a love for Yuki, so Koizumi had to do 'something' and make him lose his powers or something?
** No, Yuki is the one who made that guy lose his powers.

[[WMG: Espers are ''supposed'' to be evil (including Itsuki, in his job as a combat esper at least).]]
Think about it from the point of view of Haruhi's subconscious. She/it just wants to remake to world, so it will be ''better'', but the espers are attacking and killing the beings who are remaking the universe for her, and obstructing progress. Her first opinion of the closed space giants is that they are cool, not that they are malevolent. This is further strengthened by Kyon's uncannily accurate narration at the beginning of the animated series: He keeps saying that he always believed in time travellers, aliens, espers, and evil organizations. The only recurring organization (aside from the Anti-SOS Brigade, as far as it can be called an organization) is Itsuko's mysterious and rarely explained Agency. (The first chapter of the Haruki Suzumiya project also has Kyonko wishing in the opening narration that she could "engage in psychic duels with evil espers".)
* Itsuki's gonna be the black sheep of this WMG. There's always one.
** Itsuki and the other espers probably don't even know they're supposed to be the antagonists; with a sort-of VillainProtagonist WellIntentionedExtremist in the form of Haruhi's subconscious (remember, her ideas don't really reflect reality, which is kind of the point. Though the Agency, including Itsuki or not, could still turn out to be outright evil).


[[WMG: The Espers are Anti-Heros and may even be considered heretics for it]]
They are fighting ''God'''s creation process and although Haruhi is a little wild she certainly isn't GodIsEvil. so it stands to reason that the ESPERS are the Defenders of Humanity who truely believe in what they are doing. They have no true proof they are in danger, but they can't risk it. Itsuki even suggests this in his songs to some degree.
* It's more like they're Haruhi's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego,_and_super-ego Super-Ego, the counter force to her Id.]]



[[WMG: The series will end with Haruhi's "Suicide"]]
Haruhi will realize her powers at some point and, in a bright moment, understand how she is the cause of all sufferings her friends, that she really cares about, have to endure. Therefor, she finds that the only solution for Kyon&Co's suffering is to erase herself out of existence.
Also, note how close the sound of "Suzumiya" is to "Suicide".
* So what would happen to Haruhi's powers if she erased herself would they also cease to exist or would they default back to either Yuki (since she was the previous holder) or Sasaki (since she was the original holder). Also, what would happen to the various things that were presumably created by Haruhi, for instance the Integrated Thought Entity.
** So... are you saying Haruhi is [[SerialExperimentsLain Lain]]? Because once you consider Lain's SplitPersonality, it actually makes a disturbing amount of sense.

[[WMG: The Closed Space at the end of the first novel/anime series was a suicide attempt.]]
Hand in hand with the previous WMG: After several years of trying and failing to find aliens, time travelers, sliders, and espers, or just find some generally interesting things, Haruhi's depression comes back in full force. She unconsciously pulls herself into Closed Space, where the Shinjin/Celestials will destroy her. Kyon comes along for whatever reason, possibly related to other [=WMGs=] (being the slider? not being affected by her powers?). When he kisses her, she both experiences an instant of pure happiness and thinks that maybe life is worth living after all, destroying the Closed Space.

[[WMG:The entire series is a series of self propagating stable time loops]]
the "time quakes" referred too by Mikuru are actually damage being done due to the existence of time loops. As attempts are made to "fix" the discrepancies between recorded history and what is observed in the past further time loops are established and more damage is caused, eventually causing the time stream to become so unstable that blatantly ''impossible'' things(Haruhi's power for instance) start happening, causing an even larger number of time loops to come into existence. The "first"(if the word first can really mean anything in this context) time loop was Mikuru telling Kyon about the mole. When she realized that he didn't know about it already she said "oh no! then this is before we..." and then cut herself off and started saying she made a mistake and telling him to forget it. A few scenes later he tells her younger self about it without ever finding out about it by... [[Main/IfYouKnowWhatIMean however she was thinking he found out.]] It is the only loop apparently created by accident and therefore must be the origin point. The final result will be the destruction of the universe or, alternately, a final overarching loop of Haruhi destroying the universe and rebooting it back to 7/7/07.

[[WMG: Mikuru, Koizumi, Nagato, Asakura, and so on were once ordinary students, until Haruhi/Kyon "rewrote" them.]]
Think about it, especially how normal Asakura seemed until the episode she went berserk. And why would the Time Agency (or whatever it's really called) send someone as frail as Mikuru on a mission of such importance anyway? Granted, Nagato was always weird, but if Kyon is the real God (see the first WMG on this page), then notice how Nagato was the ''first'' one to tell Kyon. He subconsciously picked her first because he was making up some sort of explanation for her weirdness, and then once one of them was explained, he subconsciously wished similar backstories for the others.
* If this is true, then "three years ago" could be just a sort of cosmic Main/RetCon they unleashed, and the whole "I am John Smith" Main/StableTimeLoop thing is just something he made up later.
** Or both made it up. This would also explain, why the time-loop even IS stable, because, as Kyon said, it doesn't make much sense.
[[WMG: The members of the SOS brigade are different aspects of the same being]]
On this page we have Haruhi is Kyon, and Kyon is the slider. The WMG/LuckyStar pages shows the Konata is Haruhi and Koizumi. Furthermore, Nagato was able to steal Haruhi's powers without Kyon's consent because the powers see them as the same person. Finally, the {{Haruhi-chan}} anime clearly shows that Mikuru is Jesus and by extension Haruhi.



[[WMG:The members of the SOS Brigade are exactly what they appear to be.]]
...in addition to the fact that they are, you know, an alien, esper and a time traveler, respectively. For characters who are in a show with quite a few mind screw-y elements they themselves are surprisingly true to themselves despite their supernatural origins. Yuki, Mikuru and Koizumi aren't pretending to be who they are, they just are who they are. Even Koizumi's manufactered personality (which probably isn't even as good a cover personality as he thinks it is) seems like something he might do even if he wasn't a psychic secret agent. Despite the secrets they all must keep their inherent truth of character is why this particular group was chosen by Haruhi out of all the aliens, espers, and time travelers there are out there.

[[WMG: Each of the SOS Brigade members are also as powerful as Haruhi, their personality simply limits their powers to what we know]]
Haruhi with her boredom and depression can turn fiction into fact. Kyon is as powerful as Haruhi, but his skepticism constantly tries to suppress his own powers. Yuki's cold rationality prevents her from going beyond the laws of Equivalent Exchange, despite having mastered her own powers. Itsuki with his desire to [[ContemplateOurNavels study human nature and philosophize]] got ESP powers instead. Mikuru with her naiveté, low self-esteem, and happiness in slavery limits her into being a MoeMoe time traveler. Of course, this goes with the theory that EverybodyIsJesusInPurgatory, so this would result in an infinite WMG dart board

[[WMG: Kyon, Haruhi, Sasaki, Kyon's Sister, and Kunikida all died in 1999]]
As noted above, Kyon was in junior high in 1996, but evidence in the novels points to three-years-ago being in 2007. When the Reaper's Game between Haruhi and Kyon started it became neccesary to rewrite the memories of everyone in order for them to fit into the Realground, Kyon and Haruhi's game started in 2007. Kyon's implying that he was in junior high in 1996 was simply due to the memory rewrite not being comprehensive enough.

[[WMG:The tenth novel and the second season will come out at the same time.]]
One is delaying the other. Either that or Tanigawa has fallen into a space-time rift and they can't find the final draft of the novel, or get his signature for the second season contract.
* [[spoiler:jossed]]

[[WMG: The next season will feature a {{Gender Flip}}ped episode as a ShoutOut to the fans]]
Not really a WMG, but it would be awesome.
* [[ShayGuy I]] was thinking an {{OVA}}.
[[WMG: The show will end when someone takes a closer look at the video the club made for the arts festival.]]
They all get arrested for selling [=DVDs=] of Itsuki naked on film. CensorSteam doesn't work quite as well in film as it does in animation. Haruhi remakes the universe because she's ticked off that they get in trouble for such a stupid reason. Partly so they have an excuse to confiscate Kyon's sister's cat for being a TalkingAnimal.

[[WMG:There will be a gendedflipped Endless Eight episode]]

That is if Haruhi-slash-Haruki-oh-kami-sama hears us.

[[WMG:The tenth novel will come out on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar December 21, 2012]].]]
Because that's what all the doomsday theories are really predicting. It will either be so horrifically bad or so mind-blowingly fanastic that it will completely change the world forever.
** Jossed. April 2010.
*** Jossed, May 2010 and all we have are the book preview.
**** The day it comes out is May 25, 2011. We are however, getting two books for our troubles.

[[WMG: Something revolutionary or horrible will happen before the third year of the high school, and the time travellers know of this.]]
Why else would they have put Mikuru a year ahead of the rest of the Brigade? There is clearly no purpose for her to serve her function after Haruhi's second and her third year is over. Thus, ''something'' will happen to make any further participation redundant.



[[WMG: The whole Endless Eight fiasco is just a ploy to troll the audience.]]
It will last for either eight episodes or until August 31st.
* This is exactly the conclusion I came to.

[[WMG: The Endless Eight arc is Kadokawa's attempt at SpringtimeForHitler.]]

Kadokawa has received a bunch of money that they're holding out from Nagaru Tanigawa, as well as the investments from the backers. They ordered Endless Eight to go on for this long in an attempt to run the series into the ground, so they end up not turning a profit due to ArcFatigue. They then are going to run off with the backers' money and abandon Haruhi forever. KyoAni is currently trying to sabotage this by making the episodes cost as much as possible by using completely new animation and voicework for each episode.
* This makes so much sense, it's scary. If it turns out to be true, then this thing would be bigger then Enron. Prepare for the greatest economical crime of the early 21st century!

[[WMG: The Endless Eight episodes are fake.]]

As in non-cannon. They were made with one purpose in mind - to piss fans off to the point where they'll watch ''anything other than this''. The actual season two won't be televised, at least not in the near future, but will be released directly on DVD. Everybody who wants to see it will be forced to buy them, driving sales through the roof. It's either the most brilliant or the most retarded marketing strategy ever.
* This theory isnt crazy at all. You should post it in JustBugsMe. There are several persons asking how this could happen.
** Well, I was pretty close, but I underestimated Kadokawa and KyoAni. It's going to be a movie, which means we'll pay for it twice - once in the theater and again for the DVD. Well played indeed. The canonicity of Season 2 [[{{Discontinuity}} is still up to the fans]].

[[WMG:Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody and Endless Eight WAS Season 2, Everything Else is Season 3]]

Possibly, all Season 2 included was the nine episodes. Then KyoAni realized that the backlash of having 8 of 9 new episodes very similar would sink their company...so they delayed the season a year and a half to two years, giving us the live teaser while they scrambled to finish "Season 3" AKA the back half of Season 2.

[[WMG:Endless Eight and the entirety of season 2 were filler... chronologically.]]

The original first season didn't encompass every story within its chronological period; it still left Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, Endless Eight, and The Sigh Of H.S. These three are now almost certainly making up the entirety of the second season. As such, season 2 will entirely fill the chronological gaps of season 1, and season 3 will be a complete blank slate. The more optimistic bit: In the two and a half years, KyoAni have been making a real season 3, entirely fresh and without time-padding repeats, and this will be shown later in the year.
* I don't think RealLife fits so high on the [[SlidingScaleLongName idealism scale]].

[[WMG: There never was an endless recursion of time.]]
Yuki glitched and started remembering her day from other universes. In the one where Kyon finished his homework, something related to that clicked the glitch out of place so that Yuki's day from those universes wouldn't be remembered by other universes, which is the cause of the differences between the days. Either the glitch or her usual method of operation had her count each day rather than look back to the assigned date of the given day, so it merely appeared that every alternate universe in which the glitch was not stopped before midnight was a separate day in Yuki's personal timeline (the glitch could even have resolved itself at midnight, and Kyon finishing his homework was just the most noticeable difference between those universes and the one in the show). Less seriously, Itsuki ''can'' see the future, and wanted to start an endless recursion of meme, with which Yuki played along.


[[WMG:The author is a spectacular {{troll}} who wants nothing more than to watch all of us squirm.]]
The franchise's very existence is all a massive XanatosGambit on the part of the creator. All of this infighting, the flame wars, the fandom, absolutely everything, was orchestrated by a very sadistic author with more time on his hands than should be legal. He crafted a story in such a way that it would generate a massive fanbase that will spawn from itself an equally charged {{hatedom}}, sprinkling in just enough {{fanservice}} of every variety ([[GeniusBonus technical]], [[MoeMoe moe]], [[ContemplateOurNavels philosophical]], etc.) to make it all work. The way I see it, his purpose is to bait people he probably cannot stand into starting as much conflict as possible amongst themselves, facilitating all kinds of rigorous procedure on something that ultimately doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things. A look through all manner of discussion of the series has shown that it could not have gone better: fans struggle to defend it, critics struggle to substantiate it, and haters struggle with both. In the end, no one is happy, except those too smart to fall for it and those too jaded to allow themselves to know about it.

'''Meanwhile''', the Nagaru Tanigawa and Kyoto Animation get to laugh all the way to the bank while everyone behind them starts flailing torches at each other thinking that any result is better than letting the other side have the last word. No one has [[MisaimedFandom missed the point]]; they've all [[UnwittingPawn fallen]] squarely into the author's plans. Whether they did this to encourage people to use parts of their brains that are otherwise idle 90% of their lives out of pure concern or for any other reason just because they hate us all is entirely up to you.

* Positing an alternate theory, fun times abound: Nagaru Tanigawa actually [[CreatorBacklash hates the series]] but is trapped writing it, much like Anno was with Evangelion and Toriyama was with most of Dragonball Z. Originally, Tanigawa planned Haruhi as a one light novel story: think about it, this explains why everything is wrapped up so nicely, and the ending is left nice and ambiguous so that each reader can come up with their own conclusions. However, after giving the rights to Kadokawa, the popularity of the series exploded, and Tanigawa was left forced to keep milking the cash cow. Now, this is where things get interesting: all those points of contention in the story and the anime: fully intentional. Tanigawa tried the best he could after learning he had to make more to sabotage the series by adding nonsensical elements like screwing up the order, giving Haruhi [[OutofFocus less and less screentime]], dancing around the question of [[WillTheyorWontThey Kyon and Haruhi's relationship]], shortening the length of the novels, and lately, putting two alternate versions of events in one novel. However, despite his best efforts, [[MisaimedFandom the fans ate it up]], and the series became more popular than ever. This is why the 10th novel has still not come out over 2 years after it's slated release date, because it IS supposed to be the final, but Kadokawa will not allow the cash cow to die, so Tanigawa is left languishing over a series that he never intended to be his defining work, and that he doesn't even care for that much.
** So its persistence is a result of ExecutiveMeddling. KyotoAnimation saw that this show was practically an open surgery and ripped it apart to create a confused fanbase that would embarrass the above authors. I still refuse to believe that the spinoff series are official products, but if they are, then all the better for this theory.
*** Seven of the novels were published before the anime came about, before it was this apparent cash cow.
[[WMG:Mikuru is actually [[AzumangaDaioh Chiyo-chan]] [[SheIsAllGrownUp All Grown Up]]. ]]
As explained here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrcuDKac_1I


[[WMG: There is no coherent meaning in Haruhi whatsoever. The real reason why there are possible infinite Wild Mass Guesses about HaruhiSuzumiya is because of its heavily archetypal memetic nature]]
It's also noticable in Wall-E's own WMG page, with it having a WMG dart board rivaling Haruhi Suzumiya's own WMG dart board because of its archetypal "Noah's Ark" structure. There is the possibility that the infinite WMG dart board is the result of its memetic construction: Let's see, a FiveManBand composed of a reality-warping God / Eldritch Abomination, said God can be an infinite WMG dartboard in itself because it's God, an alien EmotionlessGirl with Matrix-like programmable powers, a philosophical esper who is a part of a secret organization, a MissFanservice time traveller (don't get started on the WMG/TimeLord page), and a normal RealLife person stuck in the middle, said real life person was chosen to have the responsibility to save the world. If that ensemble can't be sandwiched in various types of fanfiction, then I don't know what else from Haruhi can be.

[[WMG: "Magic" and time travel in the future are 1: possible and 2: [[MagicFromTechnology based on the skills of human-data interfaces]].]]
Mikuru said, in the baseball episode, that Yuki looked like she was casting a spell. When Kyon asked what she meant, instead if saying "Oh, like a wizard or magical girl witch in an anime" she said "That's classified". In the very near future, the person who discovers time travel figures it out based on what he overhears of Mikuru explaining time travel, or Yuki repeating her explanation as she attempts to initiate a [[TechnoBabble temporal-displacement protocol]]. "Magic" spells are figured out in the process of trying to set up a reliable targeting method for time travel, and eventually becomes the domain of certain humans who have an unusually high data-processing ability and finesse, most likely with the help of computerized enhancements. Note also Yuki being a witch and Mikuru being a time-travelling MagicalGirl.
* Mikuru says pretty much everything is classified if it deals with her knowledge sources, whether it's something Kyon knows or not. Presumably it does mean that the future has had direct contact with the IDE, though.

[[WMG: Slider doesn't meant "Dimensional Slider" but " Street Light Interference Data Exchange"]]
If you are going to create an integrated data entity, why not create a being that can control various form of energy and data unknowingly? That way you can have a way to control the terminals.

[[WMG: The doppelgangers in Snowy Mountain Syndrome all took on the form of the subject of their victims' infatuation.]]
In the last chapter of The Rampage of Haruhi Suzumiya, the SOS Brigade is trapped in a house created by the Sky Canopy Domain, and they are forced to stay overnight because of the blizzard that forced them inside. A very forward Mikuru, who Kyon is obviously attracted to, ends up in Kyon's room, where she tries to seduce him for [[XanatosGambit unknown reasons]]. Of course, Kyon realizes she's a fake and drives her away, but then he discovers that each of the other SOS Brigade members also encountered doppelgangers. One could except Koizumi's theory that it was simply a ploy by Yuki to give them a hint to solving the puzzle that would release them, but let's look at exactly what happened. Mikuru enters Kyon's room, and he is definitely infatuated with her. Kyon enters Haruhi's room, and there are plenty of clues to draw the conclusion that she has strong feelings toward him. Same for Kyon's appearance in Yuki's room. It's also no surprise that he ended up in [[EvenTheGuysWantHim Koizumi's room]], given the latter's sometimes [[HoYay odd behavior]] toward Kyon. Of course, Haruhi ended up in Mikuru's room, which brings us to the next theory...
* I suspect it was a particularly clumsy attempt at a LotusEaterMachine. Considering that [[spoiler:Kuyoh]] was behind the whole thing, it's not surprising the part that relied on human interaction was so ineptly done.
* So was Yuki's fever... [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean "inflicted"]] by the Doppelganger? [[CovertPervert Does this say something about Yuki?]]
** It's impossible to say. If the doppelganger was supposed to take on the form of her infatuation, and ''had'' to pick ''someone'', naturally it would be Kyon, since she hardly even talks to anyone else. That doesn't really prove anything specific about how she feels about him.

[[WMG: The fakes in Snow Mountain Syndrome did not reflect who the dweller desired most, but rather the opposite]]
That is to say, the one that entered their room was the one that desired ''them'' most. For example, Fake Mikuru doesn't enter Kyon's room because he desires her, it's because Mikuru desires him. From this, we can conclude that Haruhi's sexual assault on Mikuru is much more than just playing around, Mikuru does want Kyon but just isn't allowed to form a relationship, and Kyon is bisexual. Alternatively, he enters Koizumi's room because everyone else is indifferent to him, while Kyon sees him as a friend, and therefore "desires" him the most.
* [[FridgeLogic Then why didn't Haruhi take MIKURU with her to the other world]]
** She wasn't able to take anyone other then herself to the other world. Kyon went there because he instinctively transferred himself their using his hidden powers as the slider and/or the true god.
** Just because Haruhi was the one who wanted Mikuru most doesn't mean she Mikuru is the person Haruhi most wants. Based on the WMG, Haruhi likes Kyon and Mikuru but prefers the former. Mikuru's attraction to Kyon, however, is greater than Harhui's attraction to either, although Kyon isn't as interested in Mikuru as Haruhi is.
** Is it not possible to have a stronger emotional connection to one person while having a stronger sexual attraction to another?

[[WMG:Kouyouen Academy is only an all-girls school so Haruhi could go to North High.]]
This might make no sense, and in fact seem outright contradictory, but bear with me for a second. Kouyouen is the school at the bottom of the hill leading to North High in the novels. In the "real" universe, it's a high class, all-girls school. But in the "normal" alternate universe in the fourth book, it's a co-ed school, and Haruhi goes there instead of North High. The rest of this theory is assuming that the "normal" universe is identical to how it would have been without Haruhi's powers, with the exception of Real!Yuki's keys.

Haruhi, being a brilliant student, was likely on track to going to Kouyouen after leaving East Junior High. However, she wanted to go to North High to find the mysterious John Smith. So, her mind made Kouyouen an all-girls school. We've never seen Haruhi's parents up to this point, but I assume they're fairly responsible. They noticed that Haruhi was rather... off, and wanted her to get into some normal relationships with her classmates, maybe get a boyfriend. If she wasn't adjusted in high school, she might never adjust after graduating. They were maybe also worried about how she was openly bisexual, perhaps not wanting their daughter to get in a sexual relationship with another girl. So, when Kouyouen became an all-girls school, they didn't want to send her there, and sent her to North High instead.

Of course, this theory has almost no impact on anything whatsoever, I just noticed it and didn't think any conclusion was outright stated. Another possibility is that Real!Yuki made the school a co-ed, so that Kyon would actually be able to find both Haruhi and Itsuki fast enough to beat the key's time limit.
* Interestingly enough, [[http://www.koyogakuin-j.ed.jp/ Kouyou Gakuin]] (the school Kouyouen Academy is based on) ''is'' co-ed, in RealLife... which one would assume is rather lacking in Espers, Aliens, and Time-Travellers...

[[WMG: ''The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina'' as told in the series was actually narrated by an UnreliableNarrator]]
The film was in fact highly successful, with a coherent dramatic plot, a CrowningMusicOfAwesome, and special effects so realistic.

[[WMG: [[ReBoot What you are experiencing is a temporary distortion of reality.]]]]
Oh, sorry, I'm in the wrong room.
* Agree! Where am I, anyway?
[[WMG:Kyon and Haruhi are a 100% perfect OddCouple]]
Kyon is serious, ordinary, wishes for everything to stay as it is, and secretly believes in aliens, time travellers, psychics and ghosts. Haruhi, on the other hand, is [[Main/GenkiGirl Genki]], eccentric, wishes for everything to be unusual and fantastic, and secretly knows all that stuff she believes in doesn't exist. And, if the theory above is true, then Kyon is the God of Ordinarity, while Haruhi is the Goddess of Weirdness.
* Rather God of Order and God of Chaos..!

[[WMG: Kyon ''and'' Haruhi are God]]
But both were only told the other was. Kyon was told what he was told, but Haruhi is under the impression that if Kyon gets too complacent and bored the universe will eventually quietly switch off. Kyon thinks that the world is mostly "normal" bcause Haruhi's subconcious doesn't believe in the supernatural, but Haruhi thinks that supernatural things exist in small doses because Kyon's subconcious mind thinks they do. This has the effect of turning Yuki, Mikuru and Koizumi into the most manipulative characters in history, and becoming completely nonsesensical when combined with the later novels. (If someone came up with something similar, I'm sorry, I just can't rbing myself to read this entire beast of a page.)

[[WMG: Kyon and Haruhi aren't gods per say- it is their interaction and relationship that is the actual ''power'' that shapes things.]]
In other words, they're co-creators like in some pantheons. Haruhi is someone who wants to believe in weird things but subconsciously is still grounded in reality (such as it is) and a normal world; she is capable of enjoying doing crazy things because she's doing it with her friends though she may say she's doing it for other reasons. Kyon on the other hand does not believe in such things and after finding out, still has trouble accepting it all; however, subconsciously and in truth, he is grounded in such weirdness. Though he enjoys being with his friends, he gets as much if not more excitement out of their adventures.

[[WMG: Kyon and Haruhi possess two parts of the same power.]]
Kyon has the power to warp reality, but doesn't have the focus to do so (shows in his studies). Haruhi has the ability to focus such powers into a certain phenomenon, which is why things keep happening the way Haruhi wants it, not the way Kyon would (although what he actually wants is [[UnreliableNarrator hazy at best]]). Or more simply, Kyon is the ray of sunlight, and Haruhi is the magnifying glass/convex lens that focuses the former into a crude laser. Both are unaware of their power or the symbiosis, and the illusion for Kyon that Haruhi is the sole owner and user is maintained by the rest of the SOS Brigade. Haruhi is completely ignorant of even the mere existence of the power.

Kyon (or both) appears to have the potential to obtain the ability to focus his power for himself, which is why the rest of the SOS Brigade insists he be the one to influence Haruhi to maintain status quo. The SOS Brigade have not told anything to Haruhi because she is too unpredictable and would be too difficult to use for their own agendas (or that she can't obtain the reality warping power). Kyon hasn't prevented any incidents/phenomenon he would have liked to avoid (Cave-cricket, Asakura, Mikuru beams etc.) despite his presumably strong want to stop/avoid them, because he hasn't yet gained the ability to limit the amount of his power available to Haruhi.

The incidents to which the sole purpose is to pander to Haruhi ([[strike: three]] four years ago, baseball, etc), is either the SOS Brigade maintaining the Kyon's illusion or keeping Haruhi around as Kyon's symbiosis partner while he develops his own skill at concentrating his power.

[[WMG: [[DragonAge Flemeth]] is behind everything.]]

[[WMG: Haruhi has Bipolar disorder (or Cyclothymia)]]
At the beginning, she's going through a depressive episode. She's not interested in anything and finds everything boring. Then she enters a hypomanic episode and starts the S.O.S. brigade. According to the other wiki, hypomanic episodes are characterized by... pressured speech, inflated self-esteem or grandiosity, flight of ideas, easy distractibility, and involvement in pleasurable activities that may have negative social consequences (such as dragging Kyon through the corridors by his tie, usurping the Literature room, molesting Mikuru, and blackmailing the computer club president). Note that depressive / hypomanic episodes typically last several days. Later in the series she's going through a "normal" period, though she's still eccentric.

[[WMG: ''AngelBeats!'' is in fact a prequel to ''Haruhi''.]]
The cast of ''Haruhi'' is the cast of ''AngelBeats!'' several lifetimes on. Yuzuru and Kanade, essentially the two more virtuous people in their ''AngelBeats!'' days, have progressed up the cosmic orders of beings to become a god and the Data Integration Thought Entity respectively. Yuri, on the other hand, being a more ambiguous person, is still languishing in the human stage of her existence, having lived some good lives and some... not so good lives. This also applies to much of the rest of the SSS, who are also still human. Taking pity on his former friends, and particularly Yuri, who he had unresolved romantic feelings for despite being more attracted to Kanade the last time they all met, and so decided to give his powers to her for a little while so that she can have fun - and in doing so, he hopes, eventually mature as a person. He then incarnates as a human destined to meet her so as to enjoy himself as well, though also to keep an eye on her; however, to enhance his own enjoyment of the experience, he either temporarily erases his memories of his true nature or simply suspends them for the time being. What he also does, however, is make contact with the DITE and record what actually happened with part of it, the part which then happens to become a certain humanoid interface used by the DITE to interact with the newly-found anomaly on a certain plane of existence. And so, the ball starts rolling...

[[WMG: The three explanations for how the world came about are adaptations of similar views in real life]]
Itsuki's represents the biblical stance (God created the universe).
Mikuru's represents the Steady State model of the universe as per Fred Hoyle. From the anime (Sigh part 5):
--->Mikuru: The world was like this to begin with.
Nagato's represents the Big Bang theory. From the novels (the first):
--->Yuki: The information sparks emitted from a certain area in the bow-shaped archipelago instantly covered the whole planet and started to spread towards outer space.

[[WMG: DITE is AkashicRecords]]
And Haruhi has some connection to it, hence her RealityWarper status.

[[WMG: Haruhi uses Celestials because they were something she made when she was a child.]]
Think about it; in the closed spaces, the Celestials appear for no reason, and seem to have no purpose other than to destroy what's inside the spaces to lash out her stress. Haruhi could've used any random creature to destroy what's inside the spaces, but instead uses a giant blue blob. She could've just simple dematerialized everything instead, or have a giant Haruhi instead, but she just creates those giant amorphous celestials. My theory why she used them is because she herself made it sometime when she was young, and kept it all these years in her head. Maybe what she made was something similar, but her subconscious warped it into great monsters. Perhaps they used to be doodles she made when she was a child, or probably some kind of horror from her nightmares. Maybe they were memories from a visit to an abstract art museum. Whatever it was, it was great enough for Haruhi to keep it at the back of her mind and make it a reality when she gets extremely mad.

[[WMG: Haruhi will eventually rewrite the universe...into the [[DoctorWho Whoniverse]].]]
Haruhi is interested in aliens, espers, time travellers, and sliders. Time Lords are from Gallifrey, possess time machines, have psychic abilities, and have even visited parallel universes at times. The Doctor is basically her idea of perfection; not only can he do all of the above, but unlike the other members of his race he has vast adventures through time and space, meeting weird monsters, saving the universe, being generally brilliant, and hanging out with pretty girls who scream a lot (Mikuru could be about 60% of that show's companions). That show is so perfect for her that I can't believe she doesn't watch it...unless it doesn't exist in her universe. Eventually she will change reality into the Whoniverse and herself into the Doctor. Her early adventures will have terrible special effects (she's not used to inventing monsters, and we've all seen her [[SpecialEffectsFailure skills as a film-maker]]), but she will eventually get the hang of it. Her mercurial personality will be reflected in the Doctor's various regenerations; sometimes she can be cranky and prideful (One, Six) sometimes darker and more manipulative (Seven, Nine) and sometimes an enthusiastic GenkiGirl (Ten, Eleven).

[[WMG:Kyon getting stabbed at the end of Disappearance was a needed event for the timeline to exist]]
If Kyon was not stabbed, then he would not have to bring Asahina-san (small) back to December 18 to fix the mistake. If he did not bring her back, she would not know about the time travel to that day. This means Asahina-san (big) would not know that she was supposed to wait for Kyon at Tanabata to time travel to December 18th.
* This of course is moot if Kyon is actually Asahina-san (big)'s boss.

[[WMG:the ones who appeared in the rooms of each sos brigade member in snow mountain syndrome, are the ones each member fears the most.]]

[[WMG: The reason there are aren't any sliders is because...]]
...they've all slid into parallel worlds. They exist, and they definately do the whole 'travelling through dimensions' thing, but none of them are actually in Haruhi's universe. Therefore, Kyon hasn't met any yet and the other three factions don't know they exist.

(Of course, this is assuming the phonecall girl from novel 9 isn't one. Although she still could be a slider and the theory could still stand if she has just happened to have found her way back home and somehow figured out that Haruhi is the one behind everything. Or something similar.)

[[WMG:The entire series is a VisualNovel.]]
And the "alternate universes" are actually different routes. The "slider" is actually the game player.

[[WMG:Sasaki will put haruhi in her place.]]

she will be the first to sucessfully stand up againist haruhi
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[[WMG:Haruhi likes AnythingThatMoves]]
well when she said that she liked aliens, i thought of non-humanoid aliens


[[WMG:Haruhi is [[TropeExampleLaws Haru]]...uh...wait...]]
...uh...I mean...something.

[[WMG:Haruhi, and all IDE's are just regular beings...]]
[[FineStructure ...From higher dimensional existences, Haruhi probably being greater than 100+10D]]

[[WMG:Haruhi shut away her powers to keep from going insane]]
After being Omnipotent for long enough, she ran out of things to do. Once she had all the power and could do anything, life lost it's purpose. This is probably what happened to AM in ''IHaveNoMouthAndIMustScream'', as well as a what a few characters in ''CodeGeass'' feared from their immortality. I also remember a few obscure sci-fi novels by Robert Metzger where bubble universes the size of our solar system with accelerated time are created. After about 500 years, someone takes control of the universe, does everything possible with it, and goes crazy trying to find a way out. She made her powers subconscious and rejoined the world so her life had purpose again.

[[WMG:Haruhi Godhood is dependent on her ignorance of it.]]
The moment she actually becomes aware of it, she'll lose all of it.

[[WMG:While Haruhi isn't actually God, her father is.]]
She can be seen reaching for his hand in the intro. He is also responsible for all three of the organizations looking after her, as his way of keeping tabs on her.

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* Also according to Kyon one would have to be the Buddha or Jesus Christ to handle her powers, and he also makes it clear that he won't let anyone else have her powers.

[[WMG:Haruhi knows about her powers and everyone's identity.]]
The truth is that Haruhi likes the Main/{{Masquerade}} as much as any other trope. As such, she enjoys seeing them all scramble in an attempt to keep the "secret" from her.
WMG/HaruhiSuzumiyaWMG
* We know for a fact that Haruhi causes things to happen when she wants things to happen, but where do we get the idea that she doesn't know about this power? It is really just Itsuki's guess. The fact that no one can tell her about her powers for fear of what would happen if she knew, means that no one can ''ask her whether she knows about her powers.'' Our heroes hide the things she does from her so effectively that we never get a chance to see how surprised she would be if she discovered them.
** We know she doesn't know of her powers because, at the beginning of the story at least, she never mentions having powers. Considering she acted like the world revolved around her, the fact that she never reminded anyone that that was true meant she didn't know.
WMG/HaruhiSuzumiyaKyon
* Along with that, she pretends to not know about them; fearing that deliberately acting would cause either [[TheClimax a catastrophic epic of plot advancement]], or [[KyonBigDamnHero her losing most of her importance and power as the central character.]]

[[WMG:Haruhi's obliviousness of her abilities is a survival mechanism.]]
If everything a human being thought became true, it wouldn't take long (a few minutes if lucky) before one thinks oneself out of existence. Our neurology cannot process a negative. You can't ''not'' think of something without thinking of it first; like Main/TheGame. Example: Right now, try to ''not'' think about yourself vanishing forever. Of the infinite Main/AlternateUniverse where Haruhi is a RealityWarper, only the ones where Haruhi doesn't think about this exist by process of elimination.

[[WMG: Haruhi is the ''only'' person who wouldn't transform into AGodAmI]]
This is something I thought about some time ago. We all know that especially Haruhi would be dangerous if she knew about her powers. It is only natural for a human with godlike powers to become corrupted and use the universe as a playground for amusement and whatsoever. Now what if ''Haruhi'' is actually the one human who ''cannot be'' corrupted with godlike powers, at least not to the point of AGodAmI.

[[WMG:Everything in the show takes place inside Haruhi's head.]]
The revelation at the baseball game about exactly how far from being the center of the universe she is shattered her mind. She's living out a fantasy of Espers, time travelers, aliens, and handsome love interests, all constructed to put her right back where she thought she was: At the center of everything.
[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5185574/1/The_Anatomy_of_Melancholy Everything in the show takes place in Haruhi's writing]]

[[WMG:Haruhi has been told that Kyon has the same powers ''he'' was told ''she'' has.]]
The other three brigade members have been deceiving both of them. Tsuruya may or may not know this. It's possible that ''one and only one'' of them actually does have godlike powers, or that ''both'' do, or that ''neither'' does, and there's another cause for the madness, which may or may not be [[spoiler:Sasaki]].
WMG/HaruhiSuzumiyaKyonIsGod
* The responsible is Tsuruya, obviously. She ''must'' be hiding something.

[[WMG:Kyon's sister's name is actually "Imouto."]]
Haruhi calls her "Imouto-chan" in the island episode, and Mikuru later calls her "Imouto-san". Maybe it's not just a stand-in title, but her actual given name.
WMG/HaruhiSuzumiyaYukiNagato
* Relatedly, Tsuruya's name is actually "San". No one ever uses a different honourific when they're talking about her, do they?
** Yes they do, Haruhi calls her "Tsuru-chan" at the latter's house in s2e23 when she suggest the drink spiking.
WMG/HaruhiSuzumiyaMikuruAsahina
* Nope. In the English dub, she's just called 'little sister'.
** Don't think that really applies here.
WMG/HaruhiSuzumiyaItsukiKoizumi
* "Imouto" literally means "little sister." This appears to be the only name she is ever given; in fact, her Character Song album's title is "Kyon's Sister," while the others have their full names. (Except Kyon of course.)

[[WMG:Haruhi's powers are a result of an error in Earth's programming.]]
Due to a glitch in the system, Haruhi was accidentally granted administrator privileges over [[HitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy the program to find The Ultimate Question Of Life The Universe And Everything]]. The rest of the SOS Brigade's (and particularly Yuki's) jobs are to make sure the program turns out how it's supposed to. [[Main/EarthShatteringKaboom Won't they get a rude shock]]?
WMG/HaruhiSuzumiyaTsuruya
* She discovered both the question and the answer, destroying the Universe and recreating it to be even more weirder, three years ago.

[[WMG:Haruhi is Eris/Discordia...]]
The mad, trickster goddess of chaos in the Greek/Roman (respectively) pantheons. All the other characters therefore correspond to some other deities.
WMG/HaruhiSuzumiyaOtherCharacters
* More accurately, she is Eris of Discordian belief, rather than original Greek mythology. More benevolent (sort of) and explicitly the creator of the Universe, rather than just a minor deity. Makes you wonder if Aneris is going to show up, at some point (probably not, considering that she's effectively an incarnation of nonexistence).
** Not necessarily; just like Eris and chaos, Aneris and order have creative and destructive sides. That said, Kyon is Aneris, or at least her "creative order" aspect. Sort of an anti-Greyface figure, since Greyface was the perfect figure of destructive order. He's the perfect compliment to Haruhi's overwhelmingly creative chaos.
** Surely Sasaki is Aneris?
* At an offhand guess:
** Yuki = Athena/Minerva. Goddess of wisdom, innovation, and warfare, and quite likely the most level-headed Olympian. Fits with Yuki's nature, goals, and affinity for real-time strategy games (and magical girl powers).
** Mikuru = Hestia/Vesta. Goddess of the hearth and domesticity (Mikuru does enjoy her maid job). Aphrodite/Venus is another possibility, but is usually presented as more assertive.
*** Laughing Aphrodite? Clearly Tsuruya.
** Itsuki = Apollo. God of wisdom, masculine beauty, and light. Itsuki enjoys philosophy and deduction (at least as applied to Haruhi or mystery games), is very pretty, and ''turns into a ball of light''.
** Finally, Kyon is not a god, but the latest in the long tradition of hapless mortals accosted by the gods to be a Hero and/or one-night stand. Come to think of it, in the climax of Season 1, he was pretty much ''both'' simultaneously, in a PG, socially-appropriate sort of way.
** Or Kyon is a ''demi''god. I don't know my mythology completely, but weren't pretty much all the Greek heroes this way? He's the latest Heracles, but he doesn't know it yet.
*** Not necessarily. A lot of the ancient heroes were demigods, but just as many were simply mortals who were that badass. Most of the heroes at Troy were mortal, with Achilles being a notable exception.

[[WMG:Alternatively, if Kyon is god, then Haruhi is the "slider".]]
Let's just face it, we are going to see a "slider" eventually.

[[WMG:Haruhi is a hermaphrodite.]]
As the old joke goes, "God is neither black nor white. God is neither male nor female. God is neither gay nor straight. Therefore, God is Michael Jackson." However, Haruhi is neither black nor white. She is neither gay nor straight. She is God. Therefore, she is neither male nor female, i.e., a hermaphrodite. (Although about 10,000 Main/{{Doujinshi}} artists would try to prove me wrong...)
* And 10,000 more will [[Main/RuleThirtyFour try to prove you right]].
* I can do you better. Kyon and Haruhi are male and female aspects of the ''same being.''
* Does that mean Kyon is bi?
** Well, considering that Haruhi only shows attraction to Kyon, it just means that he's gay for himself.
*** Haruhi wants to [[Main/ScrewYourself screw herself.]]
** It would also explain Koizumi's existence as the "gay option" if you subscribe to the "Kyon is the god" theory.
* ...Did you just prove that Haruhi is Michael Jackson?

[[WMG: Haruhi is Sakaki's split personality]]
Haruhi was created by Sakaki's unconscious desires for the supernatural. This could explain many things: Sakaki's team says that Haruhi receiving her powers was a mistake. Haruhi, when seeing Kyon with Sakaki, suffers "not simple jealousy, but a more primitive emotion" according to Koizumi (she fears her own death). Also, it explains the capability that Sakaki has to take over Haruhi's powers. This could be also confirmed by the title of the book: "The Dissociation of Suzumiya Haruhi". It would be worth asking: Why doesn't Kyon EVER meet Haruhi's parents, or even go to her house? Because she DOESN'T have a house! When she has had enough fun with the SOS brigade, she simply disappears.
** Or possibly visa-versa.

[[WMG: The Final Battle will be against Ryoko Asakura, who takes Sasaki's Anti-Haruhi power]]
The only way Kyon is able to save his previous sliding self from Alter-Ryoko is to Jump her back to the current reality. If Haruhi's non-change is upsetting, than Sakaki's nihilistic stasis is even more so. Ryoko uses Nagato's "Steal Ability" and usurps Sakaki's godhead.

[[WMG: Haruhi created or is otherwise messing around with (Insert Random Fictional Universe Here)]]
Haruhi is God, so why not? Much like the multiple interpretations and ramifications of the events of {{Main/Neon Genesis Evangelion}}, Haruhi's omnipotence creates a very large if not infinitely large dart board to toss Wild Mass Guess darts at; therefore, any theory concerning any fictional universe stating that said universe is created by or is otherwise involved with Haruhi is valid.
* More importantly, Haruhi created or is otherwise messing around with ''TVTropes''.
** Well, duh.
** So everyone watch what you say and ''[[CrapsackWorld don't]] [[WorldHalfEmpty give]] [[KillEmAll her]] [[ApocalypseHow ideas.]]''
** Alternatively, Haruhi is TVTropes personified. When you edit an article, you edit her mind, therefore editing reality. Fortunately, most of TVTropes describes fiction, so unless somebody starts editing the RealLife pages with cataclysmic disasters, we should be safe.
*** Or did the cataclysmic disastsers happen ''because'' they were added to the wiki? IE, [[GodwinsLaw the holocaust]] only happened becasue someone put it on TvTropes, thus making it true. [[MindScrew If I really wanted to screw with everyone's minds]], I could say that if I edit "Obama becomes first black president" on the real life pages, it will happen, changing history and everyone's memories to belive that it's true. you could argue that it is already true and it's obvious, but do you remember it because it happened or becasue someone added it to the wiki?[[hottip:*:[[MindScrew for those confused, don't worry. ]][[OrIsIt It's not true.]]]]

[[WMG:Haruhi is a 5th dimension imp]]
The series ends when she says Ihurah Ayimuzus and is transported back to her home.
* Or something like "Hirahu Yamizusu" if you're going with Japanese letter-syllables instead of English letters.
* [[{{Superman}} Did you '''honestly''' believe that a 5th-dimensional sorceror would resemble a Japanese schoolgirl with a yellow hairband?]]
** [[RuleOfCool Why not?]]

[[WMG:Kyonko and Haruki are a reshuffling of the [=KyonHaruhi=] manifestations]]
Kyonko looks like Haruhi, and Haruki looks like Kyon. Despite supposedly being OppositeSexClone/AlternateUniverse versions of the originals; their personalities have curious differences. One could argue this is just evidence of the pervasiveness of gender expectations on personality...but if both Kyon and Haruhi are Avatars of gods; it's possible they decided to trade more pieces than just gender.
* Yes, this is WildMassGuessing of the solely fan-created AlternateUniverse.
* That just means they look alike. Which, of course, allows the "Kyon and Haruhi are two sides of the same coin" a little more possibility.
* I think it's more fair to say that Kyonko and Haruki/Haruhiko are just often traced over or drawn off of Haruhi and Kyon than there being any in-universe resemblance. There are just as many pics where Kyonko looks nothing like Haruhi aside from being a [[GenericCuteness generically cute]] brown-haired girl.

[[WMG:Haruhi will discover her true nature on or not long before [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar December 21, 2012]]. What she did on 7/7/07 will pale next to what will happen on that day.]]
12/21/2012 is [[strike:[[WeAllLiveInAmerica a couple months into]]]] two-thirds of the way through Kyon and Haruhi's last year of high school, a good point to kick off the final story arc. As for what exactly she'll do, my bet is on her launching a new...age of magic, or perhaps age of heroes, much like in {{Shadowrun}}. It's also conceivable that ''this is not the first time this has happened''--perhaps AllMythsAreTrue, and Zeus, Odin, etc. were beings just like Haruhi.

[[WMG:Haruhi is the true Nietzschean {{Ubermensch}}]]
Think about it. She rejects the norms of society, doesn't give in to the majority's pressure, lives by her own "code" and standards, and wants to MakeABetterWorld (well, better by her definition). And she even has followers of a sort who are compelled to follow her.
* TheOtherWiki actually had this sometime before under the article for Haruhi. It has been deleted since.

[[WMG: Haruhi is everyone.]]
Her powers had been passed down to her, and (as far as this troper knows) it hasn't been revealed from who or what Sasaki got her powers. It's possible that the "god"s typically undo any knowledge their predecessors had of the reality warping power, and/or any damage done. Every time a Haruhi-power wishes away the power, or successfully "makes a new universe" that pleases them (but without being able to create or destroy life, only alter what is already there), it passes to the next person, somewhere near the same time and astronomoical coordinates as their predecessor. Eventually, it will loop around to the "first" being (or at least loop, there wouldn;t really be any first, it being a [[StableTimeLoop Stable Everything Loop]]), after everyone else to have the power slowly made the universe exactly what it was before the "first" person changed anything.

[[WMG:TheUnwantedHarem was set up by Haruhi so that she could win.]]
Her obsession with winning is rampant during the series, and given how GenreSavvy she is, it makes sense she would expect one of these to come up. This means that the real reason she almost destroys everything in Episode 6/14 was not just because she saw Kyon friendly with another woman, but because ''Mikuru was winning.'' The kiss made her believe she was back on top, so she restored everything. Also, notice how every other member of the harem has a ridiculous number of reasons to not be with him (it's forbidden, not human, male, it would mean everyone dies, etc.}. This is Haruhi subconsciously getting Kyon to notice her and only her.
* Plus, she's the [[FirstGirlWins first girl]] introduced in the series. But the again, there's Sasaki and Kyon technically met her before the series started. Although, Kyon did go back in time three years to meet a younger Haruhi which happened, chronologically, first... Gah, I'm so confused!
** It's possible that her subconscious recognises that she met Kyon three years ago, but hasn't realised that the Kyon from that point is from the 'future' (because Haruhi doesn't really believe in time travel), so she still thinks she was the first. Alternatively, she just didn't know about Sasaki, and so never did anything about her.

[[WMG:Like the big blue glowy things, Haruhi's groping of Mikuru is a way of getting off a [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean different kind]] of stress.]]
If she doesn't touch Mikuru's breasts, the world will end.

[[WMG:The "Haruhi" Universe is really a dimension made up of Haruhi's beliefs, but she actually is physically in another dimension, where her body is in coma]]
Therefor, the series ends, if she either dies in her true dimension, or if the others find a way to send her back to her real life, which would mean farewell. She would probably end up searching everywhere for a brown-haird boy she can order around...
Oh, yes, that would explain why her parents are never shown, but mentioned.
Her parents are still in Main/TheRealWorld.
* This raises disturbing questions on what [[Main/DreamApocalypse happens to the Dream]] when she wakes up.
** Alternatively, Kyon is the sleeper. Evidence pointing towards this, during the Magazine arc, each of the Nakama came up with their own stories. Mikuru wrote a conglomeration of fairy tales that ended on the note that when "Prince Charming wakes up, ''everything changes.''"
*** We do see Kyon waking up an awful lot.
*** And ''grumpily'', at that. Clearly, his subconcious knows that he's not ready to wake up for real.
* Or, this troper's preference, Haruhi (or Kyon) is having a dream each night that corresponds to roughly one episode. The two-part vacation episode with the typhoon was when he or she had am\n extra-long fever dream from being out in the rain. The character just never remembers their waking life inside the dream, and if it's Haruhi, she just doesn;t notice anything because then it would ruin the rest of the dream for her.

[[WMG: Everything is a XanatosRoulette / MemoryGambit by Haruhi.]]
Haruhi purposely set up things in a way that would lead to the speculations done my Yuki, Mikuru, and Itsuki, and planned that she would lose her knowlege of her being a RealityWarper later and planned that the members of the SOS Brigade would come to keep her under control for these reasons to prevent the apocalypse. For some unrevealed reason. She's been influenced by [[DeathNote Light "God of the new world" Yagami]].

[[WMG: Haruhi, or some other cast member is a contributor to the wiki, and a shameless EntryPimp]]
Which explains the amount of examples and WMG's. While Haruhi might just be that narcissistic, my money's on Mikuru [[SchoolgirlLesbians who really doesn't mind her advances that much]], seeing she is nostalgic in her future form.

[[WMG: Haruhi is a [[TheWorldEndsWithYou Composer]]]]
Think about it. Haruhi's closed spaced where giant beings rampage is the same as Joshua's Shibuya Underground where beings known as the noise rampage. The instant Haruhi discovers her almighty composer powers, she'll come to the same conclusion that Joshua did and cue another instance of the reaper's game.
* Alternatively, she's already playing a Reaper's game with her Conductor and her entry fee was her memories of the Underground.
** Or the Reaper's Game is what the SOS Brigade is to Haruhi. All the problems in the game started when Joshua got bored.
*** The problems in the game started because Joshua decided Shibuya needed to be destroyed before it had a chance to corrupt the other areas.
**** Maybe he thought boredom was catching? Anyway, nothing like a bet to make a God-like entity happy.
* Tsuruya is Haruhi's Producer.
** But who's the conductor?
*** Uhh... Kyon? (Maybe they had both agreed for a game, just like Josh and Kitaniji with the entry-fees beeing their memories?)
** So how does Sasaki fit into this?
*** She was the previous conductor, and Haruhi got her powers from defeating her.
* Kyon's sister is actually the current GM and is also acting as the Conductor due to Kyon's entry fee making him unable to perform his duties.
* Kunikida is a Support Reaper.
* Alternatively, Haruhi is the Composer-queen, who rules over all planes and even the angles are afraid of, because she has so much power!... And Joshua's cousin. I always thought those two were at least related. Their personalities are sometimes SOOO simmilar: People are dull and boring? Erase them. People are evil? KILL them with magic powers! Life is unintersting? Pep it up with your magic powers!
* Since the Undergrounds are different by preference of the Composer, the Osaka Underground game is played over a far longer period of time. If Haruhi is the Composer, Kyon is the Conductor and Tsuruya is the Producer. The pairs who are playing the game are: Yuki and Ryoko, Koizumi and Mikuru, Taniguchi and Kunikida, Emiri and the Computer Club President, Arakawa and Mori, Sasaki Kyouko, and Fujiwara and Kuyo. When Asakura was Erased, Tsuruya gathered her soul and made a noise from the remains in the form of Achakura from Haruhi-chan.

[[WMG: Haruhi doesn't currently have her reality warping powers]]
Despite no longer having her reality warping power Sasaki retains the ability to create enclosed spaces and could presumably generate avatars if she desired to change the world. In order for Haruhi to make a large scale change her enclosed space must grow to a certain size. The rampaging of Haruhi's avatars are what causes her enclosed spaces to grow. As of the latest novel Haruhi is generating avatars that aren't rampaging.

[[WMG: Haruhi's powers do not manifest her own subconscious whims, but the notions of anyone else]]
This is a belief I came up with because, well, it is the ''ONLY'' way I can look at Haruhi and the entire show with some kind of basic acceptance. In reality, Haruhi is nothing more than a sad, scared girl, aware of the true nature of her powers but unable to do anything about it. It comes down to a situation similar to YourMindMakesItReal. If someone aware of Haruhi's alleged "nature" thinks she's angry and going to destroy the world, it ''will'' happen. If someone thinks she's bored and the Universe will alter itself to be more amusing for her, it ''will'' happen. This explains why the world hasn't ended or gone under rampant rewrites during the course of time Haruhi is out of the eyesight of the SOS brigade.
* If this were the case, why wouldn't she speak up? She could just ''tell'' everyone who thinks she's about to destroy the world that she knows what's going on and isn't going to do that.
** For one, political reasons. Mikuru, Yuki, and Itsuki's superiors do not see eye to eye, but I may be mistaken. By carrying on as she is, Haruhi is presenting an EnemyMine scenario and keeping the three factions more or less united. She may also may not wish to come out with the truth because it would be * VERY* easy for someone to abuse this power for their own end.

[[WMG: Haruhi's power is actually a manifestation of [[{{Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann}} Spiral Power]]]]
Or possibly its the other way around. This is based mainly on Yuki's explanation for why the Data Entity is interested in Haruhi, namely the autonomous evolution thing. In addition to this, it seems to me that Haruhi's determination, refusal to take no for an answer, hopefulness, and just personality is usually very similar to what's needed to access large amounts of Spiral Power.
* Is Sasaki an Anti-Spiral, then? She doesn't try to prevent other people from using Spiral power, but she doesn't know it's dangerous. Her team, however, DOES want it for her, so maybe they are also Anti-spirals

[[WMG: Haruhi created the Sky Canopy Domain, evil...ish espers and time travelers when remaking the world at the end of the first novel/season.]]
She didn't start creating a new world just because Kyon was upsetting her by flirting with Mikuru. She was bored with the world because as far as she could see, the aliens and whatnot weren't coming or weren't there at all. So she made versions that would come to her and actually do stuff. The result? A new group that is more hostile/weirder and is focused on her ''and'' without as strong an inclination to keep her out of the loop. Now she can be entertained! Except [[CharacterDevelopment by this point]] that's not what she really wants anymore. Uh oh.
* So, Sasaki is a part of her personality that just doesn't care about anything (although she never did care too much)?
** Yep, Sasaki is [[TitleDrop The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.]]

[[WMG: Haruhi is the source of her own power.]]
Eventually Haruhi is going to catch on. With the cat out of the bag, someone will decide to ask Haruhi if she has any clue how the hell she got her powers in the first place. Haruhi will then make up her own bizarre and nonsensical origin story that thanks to her reality warping powers will retroactively become true thus giving her her reality warping powers.

[[WMG: Haruhi knows exactly what's going on, is in better control of her power than anyone thinks, and playing along for shits and giggles.]]
There's nothing more messed up than thinking about a God that's duping everyone and getting away with ridiculously questionable acts and having complete freedom, since ''nobody'' would try to oppose her. Trying to end the world when Kyon talked to another girl? That's just her messing with everyone and denying Kyon even a single facet of a normal life. Molesting Mikiru is just an act of a DepravedBisexual and she loves the fact she gets away with it. All the bad things that have happened in the series? All Haruhi wanting a little more "excitement" in her life, regardless of who she has to step on along the way. NightmareFuel if ever there was one.
* Actually that kinda has Fortunate Implications. It means that her morality is improving due to "lesser" beings later on in the books.
** Unless she just wants them to think that way.

[[WMG: In the past, Haruhi attempted suicide.]]
After her realisation that she was totally insignificant in the grand scale of things, Haruhi went into a deep depression. It culminated in an attempt at suicide, which failed for... some reason. (Interrupted?) After some councelling, her view of the world changed into her current one (Find the interesting instead of just waiting for it).

[[WMG: Haruhi is aware that her powers need to be kept under control and gathered everyone who observes her for this reason.]]
Think about it, if Itsuki and the rest of the organization just one day realized about their powers and Haruhi, then maybe Haruhi intentionally created them so there will be some to take care of Sealed Realities and prevent her from destroying the world. Why? Because she always knew that she is God, but also feared LaserGuidedAmnesia because she knew there was the possibility that she might forget. How? No idea. But three years ago, Haruhi indeed forgot, and prepared a XanatosGambit- the moment she will forget, there will be someone created to keep her under control.

[[WMG: If Haruhi realizes her powers, she'll become an EnergyBeing]]
The only thing that keeps her human right now is her belief that she's just a normal human. If she ever realizes her powers, she'll become an ABSOLUTLEY omnipotent being, that cannot be grasped, unless she wants it. Her powers wouldn't than be subconsciously anymore: If she only thought about, for example, Santa Claus falling onto Kyon's head, it would happen.

[[WMG: If Haruhi knows about her powers and consequences, she'll give up them.]]
She'll conclude that she never really needed them, and what she always needed were [[PowerOfFriendship true friends]]. And this will open a breach for the true BigBad, that will destroy the Universe. Her Closed Spaces, and to some extent, the very existence of her powers were actually keeping it at bay.

[[WMG:Haruhi beleives that "John Smith" is living the life she wants.]]
When Haruhi asks "John Smith" questions, his answer to the question on [[spoiler:sliders]] is "I haven't met them yet". It was only later that Haruhi relised that if he said "I haven't met them yet" probably meant he has met something amazing and possibly lives an extrordinary life. Thus she [[spoiler:infiltrated the school to find him,]] only to fail. Not giving up she enrolls into the school to find clues that only a student could find, such as past members of clubs.
* You know, that actually makes a lot of sense. I agree, and adding to that, all yuki had to change the world in Disappearance was make Haruhi Believe he was lying, thus changing history.

[[WMG: Haruhi really ''is'' God.]] She's projecting her powers onto Kyon, but he doesn't want them and is projecting them back.

.... Just a thought....

[[WMG: Haruhi isn't God.]]
Nobody shown in the series is. She happens to have reality-altering powers, but the reconstruction was taken out of pity by the true God, that has yet to appear as a character in the series.
* This is supported by the new opening which contains the statement "Gott ist tot" (meaning God is dead), and thus no living character is God.

[[WMG:Haruhi heard a rumor about Kyon's meeting with Yuki after school, and it was a contributing factor to her remaking the world]]
It is commonly agreed on that she was jealous of Mikuru's flirting with Kyon. However, she does not call Mikuru out on this, and she simply broods on it. If Tanguchi spilled the beans, or if she got wind of the meeting some other way (For example, if it was a XanatosGambit [[MyDeathIsOnlyTheBeginning by Asakura]]) then she would feel like everybody had a better relationship with Kyon then she did. Of course, Koizumi talks to Kyon more than anyone else, so she figured that she wasn't as liked by Kyon as everyone else. Since she was the one who brought all of them into Kyon's life, she wanted to take them out and start all over. The kiss and compliment during her dream made her realize that Kyon DOES care about her as much or more than he does the rest of the brigade.

[[WMG:Mikuru, Nagato, Itsuki, Tsuruya, [[BreadEggsMilkSquick Shamisen]] or ''whoever'' you Kyon can be shipped with all do have feelings for him... because Haruhi does.]]
* Assuming Haruhi does like him, which is pretty much the only confirmed attraction in the series, that means she would rate him highly. If she believes that Kyon is actually highly attractive, wouldn't that automatically make him so? It's not a matter of looks or even necessarily being his personality; if she likes him she would likely believe that everyone else that liked guys would also like Kyon. So they do.
** Well, this is might be partially true. In book 4 when Haruhi was taken out of the equation, Mikuru, Tsuruya and Itsuki all seemed less attracted to him. However, Yuki was more overtly attracted to him.
*** Hm. Since Nagato rewrote the world while presumably being attracted to him and also making herself more expressive, it makes sense that how she felt would carry over. Also, unlike Haruhi, she would actually be aware of what she was doing and maybe went out of her way to make sure there wasn't any spillover, so to speak.

[[WMG:Haruhi erased her own memory of being a God or whatever she is]]
If anyone became omnipotent, I would suspect they would become extremely lonely. Everyone would be pleading them for something, praising them, or whatever and noone would treat them like an equal. Haruhi became distressed at this and had no friends, only [[strike:worshippers]] Haruhiists. She then began disguising herself as human, but once she did this, it was no good because she either had to not help people when it was in her power to do so or blow her cover. Therefore, the only thing one can do in this situation is to wipe the memory of your powers from her mind and have them activate whenever they need to to keep her happy. Given the way loli-Haruhi wrote "I am here" it was this being merging with Haruhi and wiping its own memory. If it used to reside in Sasaki, then it was attracted to Kyon due to Sasaki, and jumped into Haruhi to have a better chance with him, for whatever reason.

This could also mean that when Yuki took Haruhi's power, she was actually rerouting the being into her own consciousness. It's also possible the being thought it had a better chance as Yuki than as Haruhi.

[[WMG:Haruhi lied about what she had wished for three years ago.]]
She didn't wish to become a very interesting person on the planet. She wished to meet the most interesting on planet, and be a part of his interesting life, and to be told that she wa sspecial and unique. And thus Kyon was created. Of course when she did not immediately meet Kyon she decided on the enxt best thing and become that person herself.

[[WMG:When Haruhi ovulates, the universe changes in very [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean interesting]] ways.]]
Of course, we don't hear about those stories because then they wouldn't appeal to as big a demographic. But boy, if you thought laser beams coming out of someone's eyes was impressive...

[[WMG: Haruhi really ''is'' [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory Jesus. In Purgatory]].]]
S/he's working off the sins of the human race, but like Neo in TheMatrix, is able to warp the spiritual world around hir. Kyon is a mindwiped [[spoiler: Judas]], and [[spoiler: when he kissed her]], it was to keep his world intact instead of Haruhi having to go to Earth and start the Rapture.

[[WMG: The entire SOS Brigade is Jesus]]
Both were created by God/Haruhi and tries to take the sufferings imposed by God to themselves in order to save us.
* [[spoiler:Itsuki is Jesus' wisdom, Yuki is Jesus' power, and Mikuru is Jesus' purity]].

[[WMG: The reason why Haruhi's bahviour is so messed up is, that she doesn't know what she wants herself.]]
Haruhi is searching for something special anywhere, because she feels the desire for... something. But she can't determine what that something is, so she just decided it has to be supernatural. In reality, however, this "something" is just having friends and being truely appreaciated by those friends. Enter SOS-brigade.

[[WMG: Haruhi really IS the director of the show!]]
Think about it.

[[WMG: Haruhi is real]]
Our world only exists because at some point after the show she thought "wouldn't it be cool if my life was made into an anime?", so our world was created for her world to be an anime in.
* My iPod on shuffle for its 975 songs played "Lost My Music" exactly when I was reading the ENOZ concert part in the novel. I only have 1 copy of that song.

[[WMG: The entity known to fans as O-Haruhi-Sama is a separate entity from that of Suzumiya Haruhi.]]
When the Integrated Data Entity first noticed Haruhi, it was because of a sudden, nearly impossible increase of data focused on her. This may be because of the entity, similar to the Integrated Data Entity but on a higher order of life, moving to inhabit her, while granting her wishes in a subtle way while just as subtly guiding her to a path that would result in it reconnecting with Kyon. It has found some form of infatuation with Kyon. As Yuki Nagato stated the Integrated Data Entities are an evolutionary dead end, unable to change like organic beings, of which only humans have gained sentience as well as self-awareness. It is the reason that humans developed sentience despite being organic creatures. The data transfer to Haruhi casued what appeared to be, to it, some slight interference, but to the time travellers and Integrated Data Entity caused an impassable rift in the time continuum and an impossibly large torrent of data, respectively.

[[WMG: Haruhi has a male counterpart]]
Why is she a girl? God has been depicted as male for the majority of history. Personally I think He/She/It/God would prefer to not chose a gender because He/She/It doesn't want us to view one or the other as superior. The solution? God split itself into two individuals, one Haruhi, is the female aspect of God. The other, (Perhaps Kyon, perhaps someone unintroduced as yet) is the male aspect of God. Following this logic the two should have opposite viewpoints and personalities, yet still get along together pretty well. (Note that this troper hasn't read the novels and so cannot explain how Sasaki fits into this.)

[[WMG: The existence of aliens, time travelers, espers, and the series in general is all because of ''The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina''.]]
Okay, lemme put it this way: in Timeline A, Mikuru, Itsuki, and Yuki were all normal people in the SOS brigade. Haruhi is still a reality warper. In this timeline, nothing of nominal importance has happened, so Haruhi decided to make a movie out of boredom. She puts an alien, a time-traveler, and an esper into her movie because she wants to find them and is frustrated. That, combined with her reality-warping, made Yuki, Mikuru, and Itsuki how they all are, and created the IDE, Mikuru's orginization, Itsuki's orginazation, and a new timeline in a sort of CosmicRetcon. This new timeline, Timeline B (the "true" timeline) is formed from that from a common jumping-off point (the "John Smith" thing), and the rest, as they say, is history.
* Not really: the casting decisions were based on Kyon's "Revelation" to Haruhi at the end of Melancholy. She just took his words for inspiration for the roles. So, jossed, in other words.

[[WMG:Haruhi's initial character was strongly inspired by Pippi Longstocking]]
The similarities: eccentricities, odd hair, abnormal strength, etc. It's all there. In fact, one would venture to say that the similarities are too close to call coincidental.


[[WMG: The SOS Brigade was assembled as Haruhi (or Kyon's) own personal harem]]
Of course if it's Kyon, he needs to have a long talk with his subconscious about Itsuki.

[[WMG: Reality in the Haruhi-verse is a computer/the internet...]]
Haruhi is the CPU or the OS, Itsuki and Mikuru are different types of anti-malware, the Integrated Data (Thought/Sentient) Entity is/are the user(s) with the human interfaces as their GUI, and Kyon is the Power Source. I mean, there does seem to be a computer motif occasionally, especially with Yuki.
* If we want to make a * nix analogy, Haruhi is init, Yuki is bash (Or some other shell or desktop environment. Most likely the different interfaces are... different interfaces. Perhaps Asakura is Gnome or KDE, since she appears to have a more apparent personality?), Itsuki is clamav or somesuch, Mikiru (I don't think we've seen any other time travelers... just Mikiru and Mikiru) is kjournald, and Kyon is just an ordinary program (hence Itsuki's "background check" reporting "perfectly normal", that is, neither malicious nor a crucial system component)... that happens to be running with suffecient priveleges to run telinit.
** In fact, it seems Nagato's powers only functioning "for emergencies" is because Nagato isn't always running as root, because that would be stupid. Of course, sometimes one really does need to su and do something (for instance, locking out a hacker's access and killing their shell). The event of Nagato getting fed up and making Haruhi appear to not exist may be what happens when bash-tan runs telinit 1 out of anger... init no longer is personified, but instead exists as the Emergency Escape Program. Perhaps the spinoff shows are the result of Kyon deciding to telinit 3/4/5/whathaveyou for a change of pace.

[[WMG: Haruhi knows it's a series.]]
She lets Kyon and the SOS Brigade keep up TheMasquerade because breaking it would mean a SnapBack (such as LaserGuidedAmnesia, which would be annoying to fake and unacceptable to enact on herself) or the SeriesFinale (fixable only by PlotLeveling, which would mean Haruhi wouldn't be the most powerful being in the universe any more). The reason she sometimes shows guilt or oddly-directed worry over certain things that go beyond what she expects (like when she painted herself into a corner by [[spoiler: making Kyon and Itsuki the accidental murderers]] in ''Remote Island Syndrome'') is that she actually knows what she's doing, and worries if it might be endangering others.

[[WMG:Haruhi's powers come from sheer stubbornness.]]
"Haruhi believes her values and judgment to be absolute. She does not understand what others think, or realize that they may think differently, or rather, it has never occurred to her that her way of thinking may be completely different from others’ since the beginning. If people want to achieve time travel, just put Haruhi on a spaceship. Since she probably wouldn't give a damn about the Theory of Relativity anyway." ~ Kyon

This means Haruhi is so stubborn and self-centered that even the laws of physics know better than to argue with her.

[[WMG:The Plan to keep Haruhi from realizing the truth is suicide for everyone.]]
So Haruhi, a God who is maintaining reality itself, believes herself to be a normal girl. She lives a normal, if eccentric life, with shadowy friends keeping everything that might convince her otherwise out of the way. She grows older because she thinks she should. Around age 110 or so, she thinks about how people that usually die. So because she's expecting it, she dies. Her perception becomes a completely blank slate; and ALL OF REALITY follows suit.
* Or, at least, she will destroy the world and replace it with an afterlife.

[[WMG: Haruhi's desire to create the ultimate {{Moe}} character is what resulted in Yuki gaining emotions.]]
So she ''has'' created the ultimate {{Moe}} character. Once more, she doesn't see what's right in front of her.

[[WMG: Haruhi will become a writer in future]]
Just after Kyon and the rest of SOS Brigade will realize it's the best way to keep her bot entertained and busy enough to not alert reality, they will slowy set her interests toward creating some kind of works of fiction. Haruhi will becaome writer (ro movie director, or something like that) and create things that for some reason weren't created in her world, even though they exist in our. Nobody will be aware that while Haruhi would acknowledge what she creates as only fictional, her subconscious wish will make all worlds exists as an alternate dimensions. Her works will of curse all have strong infulence of RuleOfCool and/or RuleOfFunny and be very {{Troperiffic}}. The most popular of her books will be:

- [[JoJosBizarreAdventure Cycle about sucessive generations of family with unusual powers, fighting vampires, nazists and other stange beigns]].

- [[{{Slayers}} Adventures of teenage wizard girl and her friends who lives in crazy fantasy world and do unbelivable things]].

- [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann tale about young boy and his friend who are breaking laws of physic with the help of giant robots]].

If Sasaki would do the same, she will create most of worlds mentioned in CrapsackWorld and {{Wangst}} tropes.

[[WMG: Haruhi might become a dictator in the future]]
She is practicing it right now through the SOS Brigade.

[[WMG:This is all a convoluted plan to get Haruhi the most interesting boyfriend ever.]]
Near the beginning Haruhi admits that she'd date anyone as long as they were interesting. She seems to like Kyon, but (according to Itsuki) he's completely normal. Considering she was hoping for a time traveler, Esper, alien, or slider this is quite depressing. To fix this she's been rewriting the world so that instead of being normal Kyon becomes all these things. Kyon times back in time during Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody. If you define Esper as person who enters Closed Space and stops the Celestials then techically he's an Esper because of the kiss. I haven't gotten far enough in the books yet, but you might be able to count his existence in a changed world as an alien or slider.

[[WMG: Haruhi chose Kyon as her stand-in to discover supernatural things]]
She desperately wants to meet Aliens, Espers, Sliders, and Time Travelers, but her common sense won't let her accept their existence. So what does she do? She chose Kyon, who as a youth once shared her passion for the supernatural, to discover them and have adventures as her proxy. This is also why he comes to enjoy his exciting and abnormal life.

[[WMG:Haruhi is a self insert of Strong Sad (from homestarrunner.com)]]
It’s even crazier than you think. If you think about it, having a normal (in HR’s crazy canon terms) could be the cause of Strong Sad’s depression, and Haruhi’s depression (slight one) was also the cause of having a normal life. So one day, he created the Haruhi universe, with Haruhi herself as his male counterpart. Don’t ask for a clearer connection, it makes much more sense when you think less of it.

[[WMG: In Haruhi's world, EverybodyIsJesusInPurgatory]]
Everybody is suffering from having to take care of Haruhi just to please her, but it is all because of everybody atoning for their sins.

[[WMG: Haruhi is not TheMessiah version of Jesus.]]
A true Messiah is a person who puts other's needs and troubles before himself/herself (referenced the Original Messiah, Jesus) Even a DarkMessiah puts his beliefs before his needs, even though it is done in a WellIntentionedExtremist way. Jesus, for example, served humanity and died for its sins. Haruhi, on the other hand, makes slaves of her disciples instead of teaching them how to reach Nirvana. She doesn't even look like [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Kamina]], the closest analogue to Jesus (Kamina did serve Simon, but Haruhi has more servants). Instead, she is the closest analogue to the easily-bored Old Testament God. She might be Jesus in Purgatory, but she definitely isn't the messiah.

[[WMG: Haruhi Suzumiya is real, and by using Mikuru fanservice and manipulation of Internet culture, is trying to build a RealLife religion called Haruhiism]]

[[WMG: Haruhi is the Collective Unconscious]]
Her "easily-bored" personality and her ability to destroy everything when bored is the representation of humanity which does everything from memes to war because they were bored.

[[WMG: The real reason why Haruhi's powers are so dangerous is because of her teenage years]]
Adolescence is usually considered the most unstable part of a person's life (aka the title, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya), so if Haruhi grows up, her powers will stabilize, and there will be no need for observers.

[[WMG: Haruhi, not [[TheBible God]], will pass judgement on the world]]
She will see if the world will still be a suitable place to live in. If the world is boring, it will be annihilated.

[[WMG: Haruhi's powers (and Kyon's nickname) are results from fragments of the [[DoctorWho Skasis Paradigm]] being stuck in her head.]]
(Note: This entry is based on second hand knowledge of Suzumiya Haruhi.)
Remember the events of [[DoctorWho "School Reuinion"]]? Chances are, the Krillatines did not just focus their operations in England; logically they have operations in Japan (most advanced in electronics) as well. The Tenth Doctor only managed to foil the Kirllatines from unlocking the 'central command unit'; other fragments of the Skasis Paradigm, granting various 'powers', were still decoded succesfully-albeit not in control by the Krillatines but by the decoders (i.e. the children) themselves. Two of the 'genius children' the Krillatines were using happened to be Haruhi and Kyon. Thus, without the 'central command unit' being used by the Krillatines, those two were free to run around with partial power of the Skasis Paradigm stuck in their heads. Whereupon Haruhi decided to use it to create a new, alternate universe completely (3 years ago, to be exact) and Kyon, from the Skasis Paradigm, decided that "John Smith" was a pretty nice name (and, if the 'slider' theories are true, he also has the 'transdimension travel program' stuck in his brain too).
* This has nothing really to do with this, but this troper just noticed that Skasis is ''almost'' an anagram of Sasaki.

[[WMG: It's all HARUHI'S dream.]]
Haruhi is a teenage girl, and as we all know, teenage girls are brats who want the world wrapped around their fingers. At the same time, Haruhi [[IJustWantToBeSpecial wants to be special]] and hang out with special people, so she's dreaming of a world where she controls everything, gets a hot love interest, gets to act as bratty as she wants since anyone who denies her will bring about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, and hangs around with people that have amazing powers. The dream is actually several dreams combined, however, since Haruhi just isn't satisfied with the fact she isn't getting what she wants directly and keeps trying and trying to get it right. It's more of a daydream that way.

[[WMG: When Haruhi FINALLY discovers her power, she'll become DrunkOnTheDarkSide.]]
The SOS Brigade will have to destroy her when she becomes a danger to the universe as a whole, and Kyon will be the only one who can. After he succeeds, Mikuru and Yuki somehow reset time and space so that it would seem like Haruhi never existed. They also reset Kyon's memories so that he never knew of Haruhi or them. They all return to their respective lives, and a BittersweetEnding is had.

[[WMG: The ponytail was a test.]]
Haruhi never wore a ponytail after that day. The ponytail was a test to see if the dream was real. Haruhi knows that it was, now.

[[WMG: Haruhi doesn't really have the hots for Kyon.]]
Haruhi doesn't want to be in a world where Kyon is kissing her (which is why she stopped remaking the world), she either wants Mikuru or distrusts her (hence the jealousy). After all, Haruhi isn't really one to hide her emotions. If she did have the hots for Kyon, she wouldn't hide it with bullying him. Which means that she was right all along: She wants someone weird. [[SarcasmMode Then again, Haruhi]] ''[[SarcasmMode does]]'' [[SarcasmMode like being proved wrong.]]
* Or she could have thought that having a guy she likes kiss her means "This can't happen; it's totally a dream" and fixes reality. That kind of thing tends to happen.

[[WMG: Haruhi is an ordinary human.]]
Tanigawa Nagaru is a New Agist, and a believer in Human Potential. Haruhi is able to tap into the powers that all ordinary humans have.
* So it's like {{Akira}}?

[[WMG: Haruhi doesn't mean THAT kind of slider.]]
Nobody ever asked what kind of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_light_interference SLIder]] she meant.
* Haruhi wants [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slider_(disambiguation) one of those little hamburgers sold in America]] (Then again, she ''does'' kind of have a thing about baseball).
** So basically [[HaroldAndKumar Haruhi and Kyon Go To White Castle?]] Holy crap. Even their name fits.

[[WMG:Haruhi is the only REAL human]]
[[EverybodyIsJesusInPurgatory Everyone is an interface of the Data Entity which somehow failed]].

[[WMG:Haruhi is a Kyon/Yuki shipper.]]
At the beginning of Snow Mountain Syndrome, Koizumi claims that the incidents of closed space have gone down since Christmas, around the time when, it is later revealed, Haruhi thought that something was going on between Kyon and Yuki. She also flips out at Kyon's perceived indifference to [[spoiler:Yuki's illness.]] Additionally, in Charmed At First Sight LOVER, when Haruhi finds what she thinks is Kyon's love letter to Yuki, she's less bothered by the thought that he'd write one than she is by the sheer absurdity of the letter itself. To be fair, though, it is rather cheesy.
* Which makes sense that Haruhi didn't want to be in the 'closed space' with kyon after he kissed her, she wanted him to be with Yuki not with her.
* Except what Koizumi said was that 'Closed Space has become less frequent, as I told you at Christmas.' Not 'Since Christmas, Closed Space has become less frequent.' Haruhi being more pissed at the cheesiness of the letter than the confession it contained is... unlikely.

[[WMG:Haruhi's attempted sexual assault on Mikuru was a jealous attempt to be Kyon's FirstKiss.]]
Unless Haruhi is just messing with everyone, she still thinks episode six was AllJustADream. As far as she knows neither she nor Kyon has kissed anyone. While filming the movie Mikuru offers Kyon her water bottle. Haruhi grabs the bottle knowing [[IndirectKiss what it would mean if Kyon drank from it]]. Shortly afterwards, the movie calls for Itsuki to kiss a [[DudeShesLikeInAComa passed out Mikuru]]. Since there was no way to force the chore boy to kiss the director, Haruhi wrote in a less violent version of MurderTheHypotenuse to make herself more desirable.

[[WMG: Haruhi created the Anti-SOS-brigade on purpose, in order to give her "Team" antagonists.]]
Due to Kyon spilling the beans to her (even if she apparently didn't believe it), Haruhi is to some degree aware of what is happening around her, but afraid it could become too ''boring'' and everyday, if the conflicts start to become resolved. She therefor created the Anti-S.O.S-Brigade and [[RetCon Retconned]] them into Canon, in order to keep the story interesting.
** Well, probably Haruhi created the WHOLE WORLD, so obviously EVERYTHING in it is caused by her to some extent.

[[WMG: Haruhi employs ObfuscatingStupidity]]
She is well aware of her powers, and she is just testing us. [[ForTheEvulz Or does she?]]

[[WMG: The universe is Haruhi's Never-ending Story]]
For those who don't know the Never-ending Story, it's about a world of fantasy being brought back to life by a young kid through means of a magical book. Believing in that world gives Fantasia existence. As the kid transports into Fantasia using the magical book (''The Neverending Story'', and he keeps wishing and imagining, he starts forgetting something about himself. So what would happen if a child like Haruhi got hold of that magic book? Why does time travel can't go back to three years ago? Simple, because the world the protagonists live in IS Fantasia. Haruhi's common sense dictactes that there is no magic, but instead, it has time travelers, aliens, espers and sliders. It was all created by Haruhi. So, she ends up being, by all intents and purposes, God. Maybe this would also explain why Nagato became a bookworm. She's searching for that very same book.
* The reason the kid loses his memories is because they are exchanged for having his wishes granted. Furthermore, he doesn't have to explicitly make a wish for it to be granted. Thus, Haruhi created the Espers to act as a restriction on her powers so she wouldn't over use them. Also, the kid's powers are granted by a magic item given to him by the Childlike Empress, who is for all intents and purposes the actual God of Fantasia. Given that the Anti-SOS brigade believes they need Kyon's consent to take Haruhi's powers from her, and that the Childlike Empress will only meet a given person once in a lifetime (and thus can not be Kyon), Kyon is clearly the anthromorphic personification of said magic item. Also, ''The Neverending Story'' is explictly not one of a kind so Yuki wouldn't need to find the exact same book Haruhi used.

[[WMG: God has died in the Haruhiverse. Literally]]
And he gave his remaining powers to two people, Haruhi and Kyon.

[[WMG: [[GreekMythology Hera and Zeus]] are Haruhi's actual parents.]]
'''Haru'''hi '''Suzu'''miya. Looks like a child of Hera and Zeus corrupted with Engrish and disguised as a Japanese schoolgirl.

[[WMG: Haruhi is not God, but a part of a race of aliens which the Integrated Data Entity never knew of]]

[[WMG: Haruhi's powers are due to not Kyon being God himself, but because she is the collective unconscious that is projected by the "normal" human race, Kyon included.]]
This is a theory that would be only plausible if Kyon really is God. Some people from the fandom are trying to convince Kyon is the one who is projecting his own powers to Haruhi, giving Haruhi seemingly godlike powers despite not being its owner. However, Kyon constantly tries to convince us that he is nothing but normal. Of course, this either means on a literal scale, Kyon is unaware of his powers, or on a metaphorical scale, Kyon is the representative of the normal people who are trying to convince themselves into not having powers, and because those powers have to go somewhere, it went into Haruhi. How is she the unconscious, then? Normal humans are trying to hide their powers into their unconscious, which then accumulates and grows up in the collective unconscious, in other words, they refuse to be conscious of said powers. With all the gates closed, the powers flow to the remaining windows: weird people. In reality, humans have the ability to change the world, but they are constantly trying to suppress it through their instinctive denial of something that powerful in order to be "normal", so the remaining powers often end up to those people who accept weirdness.
* Probably some of those people who accept weirdness are in TV Tropes... Oh my, TV Tropes is Haruhi!

[[WMG: Haruhi has a potential to be a Magnificent Bastard, the reason why she doesn't show that potential is because she requires a DeathNote]]
It would take some time before Haruhi takes a joke called "Death Note" as fact, and then Change The World......

[[WMG: When Haruhi uses TV Tropes, the world changes into seemingly bizarre ways.]]
Too bad we often forget.....

[[WMG: Haruhi will find out about her powers.]]
There will be some crisis, or Kyon will finally get fed up, and tell Haruhi about herself. All hell breaks loose, And everything is solved at the end with a mindwipe.

[[WMG: Haruhi's energy stare in Day of Sagittarius actually worked...]]
...it was just delayed a bit. Kyon may have said he felt nothing but mortal danger, but as soon as the fighting started, he was yelling orders at his computer screen with all the energy and confidence he had asked Haruhi for. Itsuki even remarked on the change.
--> '''Itsuki''': It sounds like someone's getting into this game.
Besides, can you think of any other way Haruhi's order to "[[{{Gundam}} launch the Gunda]][[LawyerFriendlyCameo (beep)s]]" would get Kyon to reply with actual enthusiasm?

[[WMG: Haruhi is an Antichrist in the GoodOmens universe.]]
Both Haruhi and Adam have reality warping powers that can cause the EndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Haruhi is being watched by other organizations that don't want the world to end.

"Them" and the "SOS Brigade" also have similar transitional natures.
* There are also angls and demons watching her. They may or may not be somehow related to the Data Entity.

Honestly, it gets better. (I can't believe this idea is already on this page. I've been thinking of it for a while.) What was one of the main identifying signs of the Anti-Christ? A Hellhound would come at the start of the year of the end of world. Its form would be determined by the Anti-Christ's wants and personality, and would function as a servant, protector, and herald. Now, whose name (according to the MeaningfulName entry on the main page) translates to "Dog" in Ancient Greek? If you said, Kyon, you get the prize. Also, the members of the SOS Brigade map rather well to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse:
* Yuki = Death
* Mikuru = War
* Itsuki = Pollution
* And I guess either the Slider or Tsuruya can be Famine.

Now, someone please write this crossover?

[[WMG: When she recreated the universe 3YA, she learned just about anything, abet subconsciously.]]
This requires a few assuptions, so bear with me here. During Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, Haruhi asked about Aliens, Espers, Time Travelers, and Sliders. Note that the first three are known to exist in the universe. She didn't ask about wizards or robots, which we don't know about. If we assume that Haruhi remade the world Three Years Ago, them you can assume it involved bringing the data from the old universe and putting it into the new one (which started as Closed Space). All that data went through her, so she vaguely remembered the fact that ATT&E exist, and she was just looking for confirmation. Also note that she is TheAce at just about anything she tries and gets good grades without even trying. Even when she has been known to sleep in class, in the rather competitive Japanese school system.

[[WMG: Haruhi wasn't listening at all during introductions.]]
Haruhi (her personality at that point in time) strikes me as the type who was either listening really closely for anyone weird, or was just waiting for her turn to introduce herself. It supports the theory that Kyon's real name is John Smith.

[[WMG: At some point before Haruhi rewrote reality, the anime was live action.]]
Haruhi thought the real world was boring, so she turned it into an anime, complete with all the tropes listed here. It fits her character. The characters actually look like anime characters to each other, they just don't notice or care.

[[WMG: Haruhi is Haruhi Suyuzima]]
Do you have any evidence to support that absurd claim?

[[WMG: One of the other characters is Haruhi Suzumiya]]
Probably Mikuru.

[[WMG: Suzumiya Haruhi is a/the slider.]]
The Data Overmind experienced a burst of data centered on Suzumiya Haruhi. This burst of data may have come from the rewriting of the universe to include Haruhi as the universe was copied over from the previous home universe of Suzumiya Haruhi and the copy edited to conform to Haruhi's wishes. When any slider moves to a new, non-random non-target universe, a universe is created using the template of their own universe with the wishes of the slider imprinted on it. What the Data Overmind experienced was the changing of the template before it was activated, primarily to include espers but also to copy people and edit their memories where necessary to fit the new universe once the universe had been physically constructed. The giants in the closed space do not destroy reality, they merely edit the template as it lies parallel to the original. The espers use Haruhi as a link to the new universe, and are returned to the universe they normally perceive once the attempt at writing a new universe is aborted. The universe from which Haruhi and the espers hail is not destroyed in the process of a new universe coming into existence, which is evidenced by the universe returning to its original state once the closed space is reverted. The guess is supported also by Kyon of the anime and possibly original-language light novels wishing to meet a slider, as he would ot technically have met a slider if he merely discovered his own slider powers. This is neither exclusive to nor dependent upon the guesses that Kyon himself is a reality warper or a slider (or that Haruhi is the slider because Kyon is god, as mentioned above). The entity known as "Sasaki" no longer retains her powers because the version of her that exists in the current universe never had them, and she only retains the memory from her original self. It is possible that the original may one day enter the univeerse in which the series takes place, causing dissonance between the Sasaki who chose to lose her powers and did not, and the Sasaki who chose to lose her powers and may regret having "passed them on" (from her interpretation of events).

[[WMG: Haruhi used her incredible powers to cause everyone in the world to create an inordinate number of [=AMVs=] dedicated to her, because the thought it would be fun watching what people came up with (and, thus, be more interesting than just WATCHING the show). JustAsPlanned]]

[[WMG: Tsuruya is a vampire.]]
Haruhi wished for time-travelers, aliens, and espers, so it's not too out of the league that she'd have also wished for a vampire. Thus, Tsuruya.

[[WMG: Haruhi is what happens when [[TheMatrix The One]] dies before being freed.]]
* Haruhi commited suicide after that baseball game when she realized how boring her life was. The factions monitering her are not really time travelers, aliens or espers but Freed Humans from Zion, Specialized Agents and regular humans who she channeled some of her anomoly powers into since she does not have the framework undertsanding of the Matrix to properly use them herself.

[[WMG: The Integrated Thought Entity gave Haruhi her powers.]]
* The IDTE sought to overcome the boundaries imposed by its intellectual limitations by giving a copy of its powerset to a human whose mind indicated a strong potential to use them creatively. Yuki even tells Kyon that Haruhi has data powers in line with the Entity's own abilities. The Entity and its Interfaces probably have some good reasons to keep that knowledge as closely guarded as possible, which is why Yuki chooses not to tell Kyon her group's beliefs regarding Haruhi's powers.
** But then why didn't Yuki just tell Kyon that? There'd be no point in keeping the origin of her powers a secret. In fact, Nagato specifically doesn't tell Kyon her side's theory because it may not be the correct one. It's just their theory, one of several, and they're not so arrogant to start bragging to Kyon about it like Koizumi does. If the IDTE did indeed give Haruhi her powers, it'd be quite simple and safe for Nagato to just say "We did it."
*** My theory is that the Future!IDTE who already had the power of 'autoevolution' sent Haruhi, a humanoid interface, back in time to ensure that Present!IDTE would discover the power of autoevolution and prevent the world from exploding due to a time paradox. Along the way, she prevents another paradox by teaching the kid who discovered timetravel and inspiring him. The preface written in the collection of short stories (I forgot which book, it's when the SOS brigade was ordered to make an anthology of stories or get kicked out of the Literature Club room.)was a remnant of her memories as a humanoid interface. Her presence attracted the timetravellers, namely Mikuru who was tasked with keeping the founder of timetravel safe. How does she does so? With the assistance of Kyon, who was only told of their existence because he was close to Haruhi.

[[WMG: The entire world literally exists in Haruhi's head.]]
Or, if you prefer, the story is pulling a [[StElsewhere Tommy Westphall]] on us. Haruhi is trapped completely inside of her own mind, and the world being created exists in order to fill an otherwise empty and disconnected existence. The S.O.S. members are dimly recognized versions of her aides and therapists. Kyon is an Animus figure (a contrasexual Jungian archetype) whose purpose is to help lead her back to reality. She tells the story through him.
* Alternately, Kyon is the disconnected one, and Haruhi is his anima who is trying to guide him back to reality.

[[WMG: Haruhi is a [[{{Nobilis}} Domina]]]]
The Integrated Data Sentience Entities are Excrucians. Yuki is a full Excrucian and Asakura is a Deceiver-shard. Haruhi's Regius has been destroyed and she has a form of amnesia. Kyon is unknowingly her anchor. This explains the events of ''Disappearance'', as Kyon, being an anchor, was unaffected by the changes Yuki made to the world.

[[WMG: If Haruhi becomes aware of her powers, the universe will eventually change to be as if she always knew.]]
Think about it. How often have you learned something really important and simply can't imagine not having known it at some point? The idea here is that once Haruhi is aware of what she is, she'll begin to forget that she was ever unaware. Thus, the universe will become as if she always knew.

[[WMG: Haruhi is a lucid dreamer, and the entire universe is her dream.]]
* I read an article about [[http://www.here-be-dreams.com/lucid/dream-signs.html lucid dreams]] the other day, and it fascinated me. Noticing certain "dream signs" in your dreams can help you become lucid, and occasionally even control your dreams, essentially becoming a RealityWarper within your own dream.
** As an explanation for Haruhi's powers, it could very well be that the entire series universe, is, in fact, her own dream. The reason the main cast doesn't want her to see any out-of-the-ordinary things happening is because it could possibly trigger lucid dreaming and allow her to fully control her powers with her conscious mind rather than her subconscious. And let's not forget [[DreamApocalypse what would happen to the rest of the universe if she were to awaken due to being traumatized within her own dream...]]
*** This explanation ''might'' not work with the revelation of the Anti-SOS in the later light novels (specifically how Haruhi supposedly got her powers from Sasaki), but it's still an interesting thought.
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[[folder:WMG Kyon]]
[[WMG:Kyon has psychic powers, but is unaware and cannot control them.]]
This is why everyone can hear what he thinks, whether he wants them to or not.

[[WMG:Kyon is either a casnova or TheCharmer.]]
He tries to potray himself as a decent guy who doesn't like that he has a harem of girls that like him.


[[WMG:Kyon is of hispanic origin.]]
expanding on the kyon is a foreigner theory,to me he looks like someone who either came from latin america or souhtern spain due to this hair and skin color. also since his sisters is white, which indicates that they are probaly mixed race, and hispanic people tend to be mixed race. Also a spanish name would sound more unusual to a japanese person than an american name.


[[WMG: We won't meet any sliders, because John Smith hadn't.]]
When John Smith told three years ago's Haruhi that he hadn't met any sliders (yet), this made her (subconsciously) think of them as less likely to exist than aliens, time travelers, and espers. This explains why she only created those three groups, which explains why Kyon never met any, making this another ''StableTimeLoop''. Of course, book 9 suggests that this will be ''Jossed'' soon, but it's still possible.
** Not to mention the Sliders that appear (very briefly) near the end of season 2 of the anime.

[[WMG:John Smith in Japanese Hirigana means 'I'm a Cicada']]
I got bored and loaded up charmap from Start --> Run and selected the MS Mincho font. I went to the Hirigana characters and selected these:

ぞ (Zo)
ん (N)
せ (Se)
み (Mi)
す (Su)

ぞんせみす. Zonsemisu. Zon Semisu. John Smith. I'm pretty sure that's how they said it in the subbed TMOHS. (And yes, I know that usually it would be written in Katakana.) So I put these characters into Google Translate (Japanese to English), and guess what I got? Well, see for yourself on Google Translate if you want to. The result was these words:

I'm a Cicada

Could this be a serious reference to something? Perhaps something to do with the final episode of Endless Eight? Well, I still think it's pretty cool.
* Actually, it is ジョン・スミス (Jon Sumisu), or じょんすみす, if you prefer Hir'''a'''gana. As far as I can tell that does not really translate to anything.

[[WMG:Kyon is a physical manifestation of Haruhi's desire to have an ordinary life.]]
If Yuki, Mikuru and Itsuki are there because Haruhi wants to meet supernatural beings, Kyon is there because part of Haruhi wants to have an ordinary life. Kyon represents Haruhi's wish to fall for an ordinary guy and life a normal life.

[[WMG:Fujiwara is Kyon in the future]]
The obvious alias tipped me off. His ultimate goal is [[TimeyWimeyBall to prevent himself from becoming such a jerk in the first place.]]
* So, Kyon becomes [[FateStayNight Archer]]?. Didn't see that one coming. Does that make Yuki Saber, or does it make Haruhi Rin?
** To get in before anyone else says it, I demand fan art of Haruhi cosplaying as Rin Tohsaka.

[[WMG: Assuming Itsuki didn't lie then Kyon does have a special ability. He is the archetype of normal.]]

Essentially the opposite of Kyon = God theory. Kyon is so absolutely normal that he is immune to the larger reality warping. He is so normal that having a an "evil counterpart" in the Anti-SOS brigade would negate his normalness. So one one doesn't exist. His role is in being the embodiment of normal also means he is a reality anchor. He's the universe's own willing suspension of disbelief in flesh.

This doesn't mean he is God. The power is still in Haruhi/Sasaki/whoever. Closed spaces are just built up tension of said god powers trying to forcibly pull on the anchor. If the tension grows enough Kyon could/would/has been forcibly yanked along.

Hypothetical examples:
* The Anti-SOS Brigade need Kyon and Sasaki to agree on her becoming god again not because Kyon's the source of the powers, but her just spontaneously gaining godhood from Haruhi is just too strange with Sasaki. Any attempts would snap the powers back to Haruhi.
* In the school film things accelerate as Kyon gradually becomes used to things becoming out of control.
** If Haruhi can change things drastically as in the school film why the closed spaces? Because changes if done too rapidly hit a bottleneck. Closed spaces form when the current god's abilities begin to build up against Kyon's normalness.
* Itsuki is gradually adjusting Kyon to the strangeness as a form of defense. Imagine if Kyon got pulled into that closed space by himself with just Haruhi? Nervous break down and possible complete loss of disbelief. Letting Kyon in on the "gag" allows the anchor some slack in the tether.
* The Anti-Haruhi's closed spaces are happy because Kyon believes the world to not be that perfect. Haruhi's are heck with monsters because Kyon knows the world isn't that strange.


[[WMG:Kyon has skin cancer.]]
That's a big-ass mole on that neck of his. Was it even there before the island trip? If so, was it that big? Changes in size and shape, or appearance of new moles, may indicate melanoma, a very dangerous form of skin cancer.
* I believe the mole serves to show that Kyon is strait up lying when he tells Koizumi that he knew from the get go that the island trip was staged.

[[WMG:Kyon is narrating because he's relating the story over his blog.]]
The narration, the exaggeration, the fuzzy-edged-love-o-vision for Mikuru, and the fanservicey camera angles.
* And he's got hidden cameras everywhere club members are expected to be (small cameras all over the club room, looking out windows of their classrooms onto the quad and athletic fields, a remote-control camera facing the stairs and roof, a buttonhole camera sewn into Haruhi's hat during the baseball episode where she wouldn;t find it). This is why, in the episode where Kyon retrieves the heater, Yuki puts a book in her locker between the camera and Haruhi stripping down Mikuri and then pauses for nearly a minute (staring not at the book, but the camera). Itsuki may or may not be in on it, depending on whether the neckmole shot in the island episode was filmed on location or recreated. Mikuru almost definitely does not know.
* Alternatively...

[[WMG:Kyon is narrating because it's several years in to the future, Haruhi's power is discovered by the general population and Kyon is writing a book about how he came to know the girl with reality-warping powers.]]
Well, it's not entirely impossible.
* Jossed by Endless Eight, since he narrates loops that he wouldn't remember years later in the future.
** Not in the original short story; we only see the very last iteration.

[[WMG:Kyon is or will be the "slider".]]
This is the one Main/SpeculativeFiction trope Haruhi brings up in her opening speech that hasn't shown up yet. Several times in the novels, Kyon has [[Main/LampshadeHanging wondered]] when one of these guys is going to show up to complete the list. It also explains why all this weird stuff suddenly starts happening to him when he gets to High School (he [[Main/PubertySuperpower makes his first leap without realizing it]] and ends up in Dimension Haruhi), why he ends up in Haruhi's new universe when she starts creating it (survival instinct causes his powers to kick in), and finally [[spoiler: why he remembers the Haruhiverse when Yuki creates her new universe in ''Disappearance''. Yuki didn't actually change his history; he just Slid there. Again, a survival reflex action.]] Of course, Itsuki claims Kyon is perfectly normal, but can we really trust him? ....no.
* ''Alternatively, Haruhi has yet to make Kyon a Slider, but will.'' Aside from the main trio of supernatural characters Haruhi wanted to meet, interdimensional "sliders" are brought up. At one point in the novels, Kyon is impatient that a slider hasn't appeared yet. If Haruhi realizes (or already has realized) that Kyon is "John Smith", she may turn him into a slider. She has already been fed the identities of Itsuki, Yuki, and Mikuru, and the idea that Kyon is important in some way. "Slider" was the fourth type on her list, so she could conceivably decide that Kyon has a unique ability to jump between dimensions.
** And then there's that odd alpha/beta universe split in the latest novel, which has yet to be explained...
** Seriously, that practically proves the whole deal. There's past tense narration of two apparently parallel universes. It stands to reason that one Kyon will gain the memories of his other self. I think that it will manifest as an awareness of parallel selves and possibly the ability to switch with them.
** Methinks that the slider is already there, namely in the alpha-6 chapter, where Kyon [[spoiler: strangely miscounts the number of first years, and then describes a perfect first year who seems to be pure and innocent, as well as her unique feature of [[Main/ChekhovsGunman her hair curling up at the ends like a smiley face]]. Given that a girl who calls him senpai appears in alpha-1 chapter via telephone, and he doesn't recognise her, it does seem that she will be important.]]
*** Remember, friends! All good [[Main/FiveManBand Five Man Bands]] eventually get a Main/SixthRanger!
**** Tsuruya's already kind of the Sixth Ranger, though. She was even name an Honorary Member during the Snow Mountain Syndrome story. A second Sixth Ranger is hardly implausible, though...
***** Tsuruya isn't the Main/SixthRanger, she's the Main/EnsembleDarkhorse.
* Alternatively, an AlternateUniverse Kyon is the slider, and he will join [[spoiler: the Anti-SOS Brigade as the only EvilTwin of the group]]
* Kyon's ''father'' is the slider. Kyon's altogether too willing to accept the weirdness, his father's [[Main/ParentalAbandonment never seen or even hinted at existing in anime or novels]], and so obviously he's shoved off to another dimension and Kyon's mom just doesen't mention it to keep up appearances. The kids just take it in stride and say nothing.

[[WMG: Kyon is a slider from the world before 3 years ago.]]
Basically, he's the only one from that world that Haruhi saved because he believed in such things. He doesn't know it though since the world is more or less the same (just with a lot mroe hidden stuff).

[[WMG:Kyon is a telepath]]
This isn't the same thing as an Esper, unless Itsuki was lying. We see several instances of Kyon narrating or apparently thinking something...and then someone responds to it as if he had said it out loud. This makes sense when Haruhi does it, (she reads his thought bubbles?) but Kyon's [[Main/ThoseTwoGuys friends]] have done it at least once as well. This could dovetail into the "Kyon is really the god" theory.
* Fun fact! Originally in the writers notes, Kyon ''was'' going to be an Esper.
* Kyon's thoughts are also heard by others during flashbacks involving events that happened prior to three years ago which means his telepathy isn't caused by Haruhi.
** It's implied that the organization has serious material backing from Tsuruya's familiy, who are super wealthy. Arakawa and Mori are implied to have skills that you would not typically find in most of the civilian population. The organization probably has the means to initiate a private investigation of an individual.
* Kyon is also an UnreliableNarrator, so it is unclear how often his "thoughts" are actually thoughts and not spoken out loud.

[[WMG: The supernatural elements are Kyon's hallucinations.]]
They only show up after Nagato takes him home and talks at him. Thus, she slipped him something in the team and the supernatural elements are a result of mental trauma brought on by a somewhat unusual fetish on Yuki's part. Mikuru's in on it as well; her tea is also spiked.
* Let's take note of the intensely surreal graphics used during Yuki and Kyon's conversation, shall we?

[[WMG:Kyon is a manifestation of Haruhi's desire to have a normal life.]]
Kyon's sexy, fit, sensitive, helps those around him, doesn't leave friends behind ... and just ''happens'' to notice the lonely, unpopular, friendless geek sitting alone in the back of class ... and is just ''conveniently'' skeptical and blunt enough to bring Haruhi down from most of her crazy moments. While the rest of the SOS Brigade represent different forms of supernatural powers Haruhi wants to see in reality, Kyon is similarly a manifestation of (nearly) every little girl's dream to find someone to settle down with and have a storybook Happily Ever After.
* Gosh darn it, This troper was writing that fanfic.
** Tell [[{{Almafeta}} this troper]] when you're done, I'd like to read it.

[[WMG:Kyon's real given name is Kiyohiko]]
"Kyon" is "Kiyo" compressed into "Kyo" and with an -n added. The "-hiko" part is a common ending for male names.

[[WMG: Kyon is going to get sick of this nonsense.]]
No, not the fact that Time Travellers, Aliens, and Espers exist. He's fine with that. It's all the nonsense with secret societies and manipulation that hurts his friends. He's going to get ''mad.'' This will not be an unstoppable rage; but the righteous anger of one who knows exactly how the universe works.
* Goosebumps.
* Could that be the reason why [[http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4083/kyon8cj.jpg Kyon has hair]] reminiscent of a [[http://www.youngwriterssociety.com/ywsblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/character-juliuscaesar.jpg young Julius Caesar]]? As this Troper recalls, Caesar got sick of all the nonsense in Rome, and he led an army over the Rubicon.
* Kyon is a pretty impressive dude. He doesn't even attempt to influence Haruhi for his own benefit, not even indirectly, but when you threaten his friends he is ready, willing, and able to ''destroy the universe'' if that's what it takes. If he seriously goes on the warpath, ''nothing'' is going to stand in his way.
** IS going to, why not just is, I mean he did in essence make all of us go DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu to the IDE at the end of disappearance... I think he's really starting to get sick of the conspiracies and the whole bloody Masquerade.

[[WMG: Kyon's personality isn't really that different from Haruhi's; Sasaki influenced him so badly, that he became a DeadpanSnarker .]]
In the prolouge, Kyon even states, that he once was a bit like Haruhi is portrayed. But he stopped "being childish", hmmm.... around the same time, he made "friends" with Sasaki?!
To connect this with the "Haruhi and Kyon are both god" theory; I think, there are three godnesses:
Haruhi, Kyon and Sasaki.
Kyon is the one, who regulates between Sasaki and Haruhi, making one of the two always dominant.
Sasaki was always aware of her powers and realized, that the influence of Kyon, back then still very Haruhi-like, could change the universe in a way she doesn't want it to be, and therefore "deactivated" him, by feeding him her mind piece by piece. All she had to do, was attending the same cram school as him.
Her "plan", however, backfired, by surpressing his real wishes and personality under Sasaki's influence, she made his subcontious desires for the extraordinary even stronger, setting the "in charge for intergalactic reality-warping"-button in his mind on "Haruhi" by default.
This is the reason, why everybody wants Kyon on their side. If he ever gets really and completly convinced, that Sasaki was the better choice, she would automatically be the one in charge again.
* But, the Anti-SOS Brigade said that they need both Kyon and Sasaki's consent for her to regain her powers and Sasaki has flat out said that she can't handle them.

[[WMG: Kyon is related to Captain Picard.]]
They're both experts at the FacePalm! It has to be genetic!
* Wait, if Haruhi is Q...

[[WMG: The Computer Society President is related to Kyon]]
Either he's an unknown cousin, or a long-lost sibling. This is why his name is never heard, despite being a relatively important character; he's party to whatever bizarre tradition keeps us from knowing the real name of ''anyone'' in Kyon's family.
* Alternatively, The Computer Society President is the 'slider' and is actually Kyon from an AlternateUniverse.
** In that case, then a version of Kyon has in fact groped Mikuru. Unwillingly, but still.

[[WMG:Kyon and his sister aren't Japanese]]
They're either immigrants or the children of immigrants. Their real names have not been revealed to prevent that becoming known. Also, in one of the books, Kyon thinks John Smith would be a sensible alias; if he was Japanese, you'd think he'd go by Takeshi Kuroyama or something.
* I'll take this one step further...
* Who said he thought it was a ''sensible'' alias? He admits it's an alias almost immediately -- obviously he wasn't trying to convince her that John Smith is ''really'' his name.
** Even if he didn't chose "John Smith" as a sensible alias, it is still telling that it is the first alias that comes to his mind.
* His and his sister's real names are not revealed, not just to prevent readers from knowing they are immigrants, but to prevent Japanese from knowing they are immigrants: the Japanese can be quite xenophobic. Also explains their parents' absentee status.
* Might be a side effect of Koizumi and Kyon's character design switch: while Haruhi wants a mysterious transfer student, she gets the local Koizumi, who is an esper. Likewise, Kyon was originally meant to be the esper, but has been assigned the role of "foreigner with a mysterious name".
* Could explain Kyon's attachment to Mikuru: during Endless Eight, Mikuru makes comments to the effect of being surprised by "this time's" clothing/customs. Her status as a chronological immigrant prompts sympathy from Kyon, a geological immigrant.
* This, given this troper's understanding of Japanese "alphabetical order" conventions, is highly unlikely. Foreign names are written in katakana, which come ''after'' hiragana, and thus he'd introduce himself after all the Japanese students (including Haruhi).
** Who says his name has to be written in katakana?
** Keep in mind they were introducing themselves according to seat order, not alphabetical.
* He probably chose the name since he didn't want Haruhi to bump into someone with the same name in the intervening [[strike:three]] four years.

[[WMG:Kyon is Korean.]]
* This explains his Korean nickname, and the difficult (to the Japanese) nature of his real name.
** It also explains why Haruhi hasn't introduced him to her parents,and why he rarely sees his cousin.
*** The series is also set (though never explicitly) in the vicinity of Kobe and Osaka, which has an extremely high concentration of Koreans (both immigrants and those left over from Japan's colonial days). It's not impossible, and his nickname's quick spread among people around him could then be interpreted as using his stupid nickname in avoidance of outing him as an ethnicity that's rather disliked in some quarters of Japanese society.
*** Also explains why (in the novels) Taniguchi and Kunikida thought Kyon might be able to get extra kimchi at the cultural festival.

[[WMG: Kyon and his sister are only half-Japanese]]
He was born in the United States but his family moved back to Japan shortly before his sister was born. This explains some of his GratuitousEnglish and knowledge of western culture and could also explain his name (with an English first name, a middle name, and a Japanese surname. Or a Japanese first name and an English middle name and surname) which is reportedly regal sounding and hard to say. It also helps to frame his oft-mentioned hatred of his morning commute because when he was living in the states he took the bus to school. As to which of his parents is non-Japanese I offer no theories. It's possible he could simply resemble one over the other or half of his parentage is of a race that wouldn't give him any noticeable non-Asian or who is Asian but was born and raised in the States themselves for one or more generations. This is also the reason for his laid-back personality and his FirstNameBasis with Haruhi (using first names for classmates, especially ones who sit near you) is more common in American schools.


[[WMG: The world will become more supernatural/chaotic as Kyon continues to accept weirdness]]
Kyon is supposed to keep Haruhi's powers and emotions in check, but he's been slowly adapting to all the weirdness around him. Even more, he enjoys his exciting and abnormal life. As he stops wanting a normal reality, he won't put so much into keeping Haruhi stable. This is also why more supernatural characters and organizations come out of the woodwork as the novels progress. If Kyon is the RealityWarper instead of (or alongside) Haruhi, this still works just as well.

[[WMG:Kyon is KingArthur reborn]]
Assuming he's not Japanese, but his name ''is'' "regal sounding" and "hard to spell" (a detail from the novels, according to our own page on the series)... who's more regal than the Once and Future King himself? I don't know how you'd Japanize 'Arthur', though, so I can't say anything regarding how difficult it would be to spell. ''Kyon no Imouto'', of course, is Morgana. She was reborn some years after he was. What possible evidence could I have for this? RuleOfCool, man, RuleOfCool.
* According to one of those 'your name in Japanese' sites, Arthur would get pretty mangled in the translation process, with the result being pronounced 'Aasa'.
* But this would mean that [[FateStayNight Kyon is also Saber]]...which opens up a whole new level of disturbing implications.
** No no, that's the gender-flipped universe Kyonko who's Saber. In the Haruhi version of the universe, King Arthur is a male.
[[WMG: Kyon from the future did a massive XanatosGambit to ensure Haruhi Suzumiya gets her powers.]]
This is all based off speculation from the ninth novel: [[spoiler:There's one time loop that never got started, and that time loop is the one where Kyon paints the symbols on the field. Therefore, originally, that did not happen until time travel was created, and that point in time was the earliest necessary time to travel back to. In a previous time line, Sasaki was the real "goddess" so to speak. At this point, Sasaki wished that nothing spectacular would ever happen again, or perhaps that no love would ever occur. She believes love is poisonous and the world falls into a dull, lifeless place, all except for Kyon, the only person who she did not wish to or could not change. Kyon has been shown to be special in some way, perhaps he wrested control away from her and gave it to a chaotic love interest in the future, in other words Haruhi. Haruhi became self aware and wished for time traveling, and Kyon formed the SOS brigade in the future. He then used Future Mikuru and his past self to create a StableTimeLoop where Kyon transfers Sasaki's powers to himself the moment she gains her powers. It's possible Haruhi from the future wished that she would have a normal high school life. Note that this could also give the other two of Sasaki's followers motivations. Kuyoh doesn't want mystical things to exist and Fujiwara hates time traveling.]]
* Er...what? All I got out of that was some confusion between "the event" 3YA and Tanabata 3YA, and Haruhi didn't really ''need'' Kyon to paint the symbols for her.

[[WMG: Kyon is TheNostalgiaCritic.]]
Seriously. Just give Kyon glasses and a goatee, throw that signature hat on him, and there you go.

[[WMG: Kuyoh is evolving!]]

A interesting theory, quoted from Animesuki:

[[spoiler:Kuyoh seems to be able to mimic and absorb the other interface's abilities.]]

[[spoiler:At first, she seemed to be like a lowgrade Yuki, barely able to assert any comprehensive sentance. But after the contact with Kimidori in the cafe, her linguistic skills took a sudden leap. The more time she spent near Asakura, the better and better she got, to where she even mimiced her smile. Why did she attack Kyon? Because Asakura was. Kimidori's presence probably nuetralized some of that hostility, but if the DITE doesn't do something quick, Kuyoh's going to have all the capabilities of all their interfaces.]]

[[spoiler:Upon further reflection, her starting point probably WAS due to the brief period in Snow Mountain, where the Canopy Domain got a glimpse of Yuki. (Hence the stoic face, the broken sentances, and the attraction to Kyon.]]

[[WMG: Kyon isn't nearly as infatuated with Mikuru as he claims]]
His seeming obsession with her is just an odd way of denying (to the readers, or to himself) that he's in love with Haruhi. This troper finds that the constant praise Mikuru gets from him is a bit much. Of course, this only works if the above theory is true
** It seems possible that he exaggerates how he feels. There are lots of different kinds of attraction. Perhaps he's most physically attracted to Mikuru. How often does he talk about her as a person besides that she's cute? He has no confidence in her abilities or reliability. So maybe he's infatuated, but recognizes it as such and doesn't put much credence in the idea of a relationship beyond flirting.
*** Subpoint to avoid gigantic paragraphs, possibly Mikuru figures this out and was more attracted than he was, resulting in future Mikuru's 'affectionate' behavior and urge for him not to get too close to Mikuru.
*** This troper points out that Mikuru is also a much more normal crush to have than Haruhi. She fits in very nicely with the ideal Japanese woman. Haruhi, of course, is much more unusual.
*** This troper would also like to remind other tropers that, despite his erudite prose, '''[[UnreliableNarrator Kyon is 16]]'''. He's practically bound to exaggerate any sort of attraction to a "safe" girl like Mikuru to the logical extreme, while in Haruhi's case, he goes to the same extreme lengths to ''deny'' an attraction that obviously makes him uncomfortable. I mean, ''surely'' most of the people reading this have been through that age, judging by the TroperDemographics...
**** This troper remembers being a teenage boy, and thinks that Kyon likes both, but for different reasons. Mikuru for the 'really cute older girl with a rack you can lose change in' side of things, and Haruhi for the 'interesting girl my age with a nice ass' angle.
**** In addition to all the above, Kyon has been under peer pressure from Tanaguchi and Kunakida (sp) since first meeting Haruhi to not get too interested in her, in defiance of this he still made a more than 'just being friendly' effort to get to know her. On finally cracking Haruhi's icey persona he then goes about trying to prove to all concerned that he isn't interested which definitely points to a genuine crush rather than a safe but distant infatuation that he shows towards Mikuru.

[[WMG:Kyon's real name is Lawrence.]]
This is an expansion on the above theory about Kyon not being Japanese. Haruhi at one point mentions that Kyon's real name is hard to say, and Lawrence would be hard for a Japanese person to pronounce. It also brings to mind TE Lawrence, of ''LawrenceOfArabia'' fame, a British soldier who wielded considerable power in the Middle East during his lifetime and which ties in somewhat with the statement that Kyon has a 'regal-sounding' name.
* This Troper is well acquainted with the theory that Lawrence is Lelouch, but for first time sees a theory that Kyon is Lawrence. Also, Horo is Haruhi? Damn. It actually makes sense, imagine what happens if Haruhi becomes infatuated with the middle ages? Then the shepherd girl is Mikuru.

[[WMG: Kyon, who is a slider, comes actually from another universe. And was adopted.]]
It's all a LaserGuidedAmnesia. In the universe, where Kyon came from, Sasaki was "god", but Kyon rebeled and wanted to get Haruhi from the other universe to fight Sasaki, however, Sasaki managed to erase his memory before he could escape. That's why Kyon's the only one Haruhi's power don't seem to have an as great effect on. Now, Sasaki trying to get him away from Haruhi, before the memory-drain wears of and he can call her in as Sasaki-destruction weapon.
* So, why did she tell Kyon she doesn't want her powers back, and that she couldn't handle them if she did get them back?
** She was lying?
** She wasn't the same Sakaki as the one from his old universe, but merely had similar memories? The data explosion and time rift could have been thanks to two of a single new being simultaneously appearing in the universe (one of the Slider Kyon and one of Kyon travelling to that time). Unless I've got the timing wrong.

[[WMG: Kyon is the only truly normal person in the entire world.]]
Two possibilities under this possibility: Their powers are dormant, and need to be unlocked by Haruhi. Or, they all know about their powers, but not that ''everyone'' has powers; therefore, they gather in small groups that attempt to hide their powers from others. Kyon is normal he is the counterpart to Haruhi; while she is unique because she controls the powers of everyone in the world, he is unique because she has no control over him.
** By definition, wouldn't that make him the only special person then? But seriously, the idea that her power does not work on him is interesting, it explains his disinterest in her no matter what she does (except when she's genuinely being a decent person like with ENOZ) despite the fact that she clearly DOES want something from him.

[[WMG: Kyon was also at the Game three years ago.]]
Either directly behind Haruhi or at the same location on the 1st base line, most likely.
* I lost the Game.
* Given some of the insane time loops I wouldn't be surprised if the Kyon from that time frame was behind her, the present Kyon was at the 1st base line and a Kyon from the future was actually playing the game in some capacity.

[[WMG: Kyon's real name is Genghis]]
Or perhaps the name of one of the other Khans. As they ruled a large portion of Asia, it definitely qualifies as regal sounding, and the jump from Khan to Kyon is an easy one to make.
* Which would explain why he introduces himself as thus to avoid ridicule to have the same name as a popular lamb dish.

[[WMG: Kyon doesn't realise Haruhi's feelings for him because she doesn't want him to]]
It would explain why Kyon, whos shown how intuitive on feelings and motives previously just doesn't seem to get it.
* He notices, he's just in denial. At least, that's my interpretation.

[[WMG: The SOS Brigade and Haruhi are all Kyon's imaginary friends. The real events take place in:]]
[[spoiler: Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends. Kyon is in fact Mac.]]


[[WMG: Fujiwara is future Kyon.]]
Both Kyon and Fujiwara use obviously fake names when they time travel, and both have acted against Mikuru's organization.
* A powerful sometimes-foe is a more cynical version of the lead male...this sounds [[FateStayNight suspiciously familiar.]]
** According to another popular theory, it'd mean Fujiwara just treats Mikuru harshly because she's his sister, and she decided to opt for the "wrong" side, then... It seems to make sense. And would make even more sense that he want to stop time travels altogether because he probably screwed something. Or Mikuru.


[[WMG:Kyon really ''is'' John Smith.]]
That was his actual name he gave to Haruhi during ''Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody''. He only told her it was an alias to throw of the scent. As mentioned on the main paige, Kyon's last name probably starts with "S" or "Ta", and is is "hard to spell" and "regal sounding." John Smith is hard to spell in Japanese letters[[hottip:* :Would it be "Jan" or "Jon"? And "Sumisu", "Sumiisu", "Sumizu", "Sumiizu"...]], the last name beigins with S, and it probably sounds regal and exotic to a Japanese native (Or, well, at least exotic. Cliche to a westerner, unusual in Japan). This is why Kyon's real name is never menioned- it would trigger [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt you-know-what]] if Haruhi ever caught on.
* I was under the impression than Haruhi and most of the other characters know Kyon's real name, but don't use it. It's possible that other characters introduced later in the series have only heard him referred to as "Kyon," but Haruhi was there when he introduced himself in front of class at the very beginning of the series. He says that he doesn't like his nickname, so he probably wouldn't use it when introducing himself.
** It's possible Haruhi wasn't listening during class introductions, and was just waiting for her turn to speak. She already knows some of the people in that is in her class (Taniguchi).

[[WMG: The [[spoiler:"slider"]] in book nine was Kyonko.]]
Kyon noted that the voice was feminine and had a familiar manner of speaking to someone he already knew. He said it sounded like his sister, which would seem to indicate a younger version of Kyonko. Senpai also could hint that she is a younger version of him. She said "it's me!" to avoid a name, and as we know, Kyon has never introduced himself as Kyon. Also she hinted that he already knew her, so if they were the same person, he wouldn't recognize her while technically knowing her.

[[WMG:Kyon is a closet DoctorWho fan]]
"John Smith". Enough said.
* Because of this, he likes Time Travel, which explains why he likes Mikuru so much. He wants to be her companion!
* Or better yet he is a recent regenaration of the Doctor, hence he is a timelord (someone had to say it!)

[[WMG:Kyon's Mole in Lone Island Syndrome is a plot point.]]

In Snow Mountian Syndrome, [[spoiler: Kyon was visited by what appeared to be Mikuru during the night, but the real Mikuru's star shaped mole was absent, thus revealing the fake. Now, Itsuki was visited by what appeared to be Kyon and... well... see where I'm going with this? What would be a perfect way, in the anime, to tell a fake Kyon from the real one? THE MOLE!!!!]] Yes, at long last, this may have been solved.
* Holy fuck this makes so much sense. More sense then Endless Eight at least.
* Also, makes sense in the fact that the chapters are basically mirrors of each other.
* Does this mean that they will actually show us [[spoiler:the fake Kyon in Itsuki's room, doing those "things that [the real Kyon] wouldn't do"]]? * {{squee}}!*

[[WMG: Kyon has the power of free will]]
Most people act how Haruhi wishes, outside of Kyon and Yuki. Kyon often hangs around Haruhi, and things seem to originate from him, even if they are not manipulated by him. Haruhi isolated herself, until Kyon motivated her to break out of her prescripted isolation. He is close to Yuki and Koizumi, so both of them are able to take initiative from their respective niches, organizations and Haruhi's own powers. Notice that often Haruhi tends to get information from Yuki when Kyon is not around, but when he is around, she only reacts to him, since Kyon grants her the will to disobey. Koizumi obeys Haruhi at face value, but his intentions are not to give her something extraordinary, but something ordinary. In Disappearance [[spoiler: Yuki defies Haruhi and her organization to be with Kyon, and then Kyon defies the new universe so that he can return to the old one.]]

Additionally, Koizumi said that nobody in his group had ever tried to kill Haruhi, obviously she would not like that, so none of them had the free will to do so. Asakura did absolutely nothing until Kyon triggered a reaction in Haruhi. This could be thre reason that [[spoiler: the Anti-SOS brigade is trying to get close to him, so that they can have the will to defy Haruhi and give the powers to Sasaki. This could have been the reason Sasaki lost these powers in the first place, since Kyon was around her, she had the will to give up her powers.]]
[[WMG:Kyon is really Nagaru Tanigawa]]
and Nagaru Tanigawa is a slider who narrates his experience with Haruhi in this universe.
* Think about the class introductions at the beginning of Melancholy. The boys and girls are each arranged alphabetically at that point. "Tanigawa" fits correctly into where Kyon is sitting (behind Taniguchi but before Suzumiya). Of course, so does "Smith" (Sumisu)...

[[WMG:Kyon isn't normal, he never was normal, and he knows it.]]
He is one of the following:

A silder: He comes from an alternate universe that speaks a different language, but he used a slider ability to translate everything he says and hears into english. The dimension is just like ours, but everyone can 'slide' and there is only one language.

A kinetic: He has the ability to manipulate some kind of kinetic ability(telekinesis, biokineisis etc) which he will have to use.

[[WMG: Kyon is in an asylum.]]
This is all the ramblings of an otherwise bright young man who thinks one of his classmates is God, that another is a time-traveler from the future, another is a cyborg, another is an esper, and that ''he'' might actually be God. His classmates, teachers and family first started noticing ominous signs when he started talking to himself. Then one day the poor guy just had a breakdown. "OKAY, I ADMIT IT!!! YOU'RE ''GOD'', SUZUMIYA-SAMA!!! GO AHEAD AND RECREATE REALITY IF YOU WANT!!! OR IS IT ''I'' WHO AM? Maybe we ''both'' are! [[WeCanRuleTogether We can rule together]]! BOW BEFORE ME, MORTALS!!! OR FACE OUR WRATH!!! FACE OUR WRAAAAAATH!!! WA-HA-HA-HAAAA!!!"
* Doctors cite the stress of high school life, his frustrated attraction to three girls (and [[HoYay one]] [[BiTheWay guy]]), and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking a lack of fiber in his diet]].
** No, no, remember it's a lack of CALCIUM that's the cause of all of Kyon's problems.

[[WMG: Kyon is suffering from hallucinations]]
Kyon, a perfectly normal boy, meets with Haruhi, a little strange but otherwise normal girl on their first day of school. All other characters are just other students or people Kyon runs into. Yuki is a quiet bookworm. Mikuru is the cute upperclassman. Koizumi is the mysterious exchange student and so on. However, Asakura (another normal classmate of his) becomes increasingly jealous of Kyon's relationship with Haruhi. So she lures him into an empty classroom after school to kill him. Fortunately, Yuki, Asakura's roommate, finds out just in time and manages to stop her. But Kyon is so emotionally scarred from the trauma that he retreats into his own world.


[[WMG: The entire SOS Brigade is in love with Kyon.]]
Haruhi loves Kyon, he was the only person she cared about and he is the only person who can change her mind. She's too stubborn to admit it. Mikuru shares Kyon's feelings and likes him back, but can't be with him because she's a time traveler. Yuki loves Kyon, but is only allowed to observe. To get together with him, she [[spoiler: Recreated the universe so they could be together.]] Itsuki is AmbiguouslyGay and has lots of HoYay with Kyon. Kyon loves Kyon very much.
* I don't think that much of a wild guess at all. It's almost blatantly obvious that everyone's into Kyon.

[[WMG: The reason Kyon's grades are so bad is because Haruhi wanted them to be]]
Kyon's wittiness was making her feel stupid, so she promptly rearranged the universe so that he needed her help on his schoolwork, just so that she could nurture her self-esteem and spend more time around him at once.
* He DOES refer to exam week by saying, "This is the time of year when the teachers mark my answers wrong" (rather than, "when I get the answers wrong.") Granted, he was making a joke, but still...

[[WMG: It's all an elaborate prank/experiment being played/run on Kyon.]]
He originally attended schools for {{Muggles}}, and then as of joining High School they added a half dozen to 2+ years of metaprodigies- or rather, "normals", since it's people ''without'' powers who are unusual. This is why he transferred from wherever he did: They didn't have enough normal people in the country's primary ethnic group to fill a high school, so they had to ship him to Japan, and it's lucky they didn't have to teach him English or Spanish and ship him to the west.

[[WMG: Kyon is quite intelligent but has ADD or something similar]]
Alright, not as earthshaking as the "Kyon is God" theories, but consider it. His narration is [[GeniusBonus peppered with allusions to science, mythology, mathematics, literature, history, and everything else under the sun]]. He says he read voraciously as a young child, even though his performance in school makes him out to be BookDumb. In the seventh book, he even spends a few paragraphs just talking about how impossible it is to pay attention in class. As soon as some sensei tries to make him sit down and pay attention, his brain disengages and goes somewhere else. He probably gets all his allusions from tv documentaries and [[WikiWalk Wiki Walks]] pursued at his leisure as his interest and focus allows. It explains why Kyon can sound so educated and get such horrible grades, anyway.

[[WMG:Kyon is deliberately ObliviousToLove]]
...because he can't conceive of being attracted to such a, well, sociopath. He is horrified that part of him is attracted anyway, despite all she's done, so he's heavily into denial and trying to persuade himself that nice, safe, sweet Mikuru is the girl for him.
* Haruhi density is that doesn't quite 'get' the give and take of romance. Her attraction manifests as,"NO-ONE plays with my pet and lives."


[[WMG: Kyon is the designated lover of Haruhi]]
Yuki and her group view Haruhi as a specimen that would be the key to evolution.
Mikuru and Co. look at Haruhi as an anomaly in the space time continium.
Itsuki and his espers (mostly) view her as some sort of God.
All these view points beg to ask the question "How does Kyon view Haruhi in the end?". Since she has some feeling for him that makes him something of a potential male lover (considering she is pretty much Bi).

[[WMG: The story will turn in a war between Kyon vs everyone else]]
The groups that are becoming more prominently in his life will eventually start to pressure Kyon to make a choice. They might even go so far as to threaten him violently. Under this pressure Kyon will snap, TakeAThirdOption, and fight all these syndicates. Kyon will prove to be an effective tactician like Light, to make up for his lack of book smartness. This war seems pretty do-able considering he has two reality warping deities that are under his influnce- Yuki and Haruhi.

[[WMG: [[spoiler:Beta-Kyon will turn "evil]]]]

[[spoiler: He will give in to the offer of Kyouko to save Nagato (or so he thinks). But Alpha-Kyon finally has met the person, who can travel trough parallel worlds, breaks into the beta-storyline and does that he can do best: KICKING HIS OWN ASS! ]]

[[WMG: Kyon isn't God, but makes other people God]]
Kyon gives other people the ability to have godlike powers as his way of expressing his desire for the extraordinary while remaining ordinary himself. From Kyon's point of view, the order of people Kyon meets who have God-Potential are Sasaki, Haruhi, then Yuki. Upon meeting Sasaki, Kyon gives her God powers, but through time-travel-ret-conning, Haruhi becomes God when Kyon visits her "3 Years Ago", and stops Sasaki from ever becoming God. Finally, Kyon is the one that enables Yuki to become God, as he begins to feel pity for her, and becomes closer to her. Haruhi then regains her powers due to Kyon's actions. This may also be way the Anti-SOS Brigade is so actively trying to persuade Kyon to their side. If Kyon becomes closer to Sasaki than Haruhi, then perhaps godhood will be switched over.
* Kyon is a [[CodeGeass Code Bearer]]?

[[WMG: Kyon is a ManipulativeBastard]]
He is already controlling everyone. This is not even a guess, we ''know'' that he is witholding significant information not justfrom Haruhi, but from Asahina as well. (the fact that they are recieving orders from her adult self.) and plans to use these as trump cards. It was also implied that he is trusted with the key of Nagato's power in case he would go ''Disappearance'' again. Koizumi is his last obstacle. Once he gets a similar trump card against Koizumi, he will start grinning, and comment that that everything is [[DeathNote “Just as planned”]].

[[WMG:Kyon is dead, and 'Alpha' and 'Beta' Kyon don't really exist.]]
The only way in which both paths could 'exist' canonically would be if there was multiple Kyons-therefore, Kyon is dead.
In fact, Kyon died on the island, which is why he was so shocked to see the murder from outside of his body. In order to stop the universe caving in on itself, he posessed Haruhi in her sleep in order to hijack Haruhi's powers subconsciously, allowing him to rewrite reality somewhat so the murder was a fake-however, his own acceptance of his death has prevented him from reviving himself. As the series moved on, Kyon has only existed at all because Haruhi has believed in his existance and his stand-in has been reflecting his currently personality. This was why Kyon could not be copied and made part of the Anti SOS brigade- they were trying to copy a ''puppet'' which never really existed in the first place. This also explains why there is no romance in the show besides hints of Kyon/Haruhi-everyone else knows he's a dead man walking. However, the ''puppet'' begins to gain some sentinence, with Kyon losing control of it. Therefore, Kyon is forced to control Haruhi again to create 'Beta' Kyon. Due to the duplicate doom syndrome, however, he is forced to use her powers to create another dimension. This alternate dimension is ultimately doomed due to duplicate syndrome, which is why there will only be one book 10 instead of two.

[[WMG: Kyon drains [[PhysicalGod powerful reality warpers' powers.]]]]
Sasaki was originally like Haruhi but after her first contact with Kyon (long, long before they knew each other) she began to lose her abilities until all she could do was create static bubbles. With it went her emotions and any trace of creativity. Eventually Haruhi will suffer the same fate. Kyon uses the powers he gains to make sure that StatusQuoIsGod, holding humanity back.
Therefore, if Asakura were to have killed Kyon then the world would have moved forwards, towards Mikuru's time. All in all, unless someone kills Kyon, humanity is stuck, Mikuru can never be born or come back in time, and the UnreliableNarrator is also secretly a VillainProtagonist.

[[WMG: An alternate dimension Kyon edited the SOS Brigade movie.]]
Notice how, in the actual movie, Kyon doesn't seem to have any idea what's going on. Even though he was the cameraman, he's always asking "why does the camera keep going up for no reason?" Couple this with how we know that Kyon didn't ''actually'' edit the movie, and it's the only logical explanation. Even crazier possibility- one Kyon did the visuals while another did the narration. It would explain why the narrator of the movie is as confused as everyone else.

[[WMG: There will be NO SLIDERS, because Kyon created a StableTimeLoop]]
When Haruhi met John Smith, he said he met time travelers, espers, aliens, but no sliders. So when Haruhi recreated the universe, she went of what he said and created time travelers, espers, aliens, BUT NO SLIDERS! So Kyon never met any, so he goes back in time and tells her that, so she never makes any, so he never meets any, and so on.
* Kyon didn't go back in time to before she altered/created/recreated the universe. Mikuru says that Haruhi is an anamoly that they are investigating that makes it impossible for them to travel back any further then three years ago. the time to when they did go back probably just after she did her thing to the universe.

[[WMG: The mole in Remote Island Syndrome ''was'' a clue that Kyon was lying about having figured out the plot immediately...]]
But only because [[TheMole he was in on it the whole time, even before anything remotely suspicious happened]] (which do you think Haruhi would find more entertaining, having an enjoyable island vacation with the risk of being stuck inside because of a storm, or having an enjoyable island vacation with the risk of being stuck inside because of a storm ''and'' a murder mystery?). [[FamilyUnfriendlyViolence That]]'s the real reason he didn't want his little sister along.

[[WMG: Kyon and Haruhi didn't kiss in the [[spoiler: Closed space,]] ''[[UnreliableNarrator They had sex.]]'']]
* The reason he didn't tell us? Because he wants to keep his sex life to himself, thank you, and the excess ShipTease would drive fans over the edge.
** That wouldn't be ShipTease, that would be consummation. With the risk of ShippingBedDeath.

[[WMG: Kyon is unique in all dimensions.]]
A time traveler, an alien and an esper were sent by organizations of time travelers, aliens and espers, in a conveniently close timeframe of the beginning of the SOS Brigade. Itsuki has told Kyon that he's irreplaceable while another esper, time traveler or alien could be sent if any of them are removed. No such slider organization is represented here. There won't be any other sliders in any other world, or any Kyon, so the movie could as easily have been in an alternate dimension rather than an overwritten one. Kyon is only going to discover this after he starts traveling inter-dimensionally, becoming the slider -- if he isn't already.

[[WMG: Kyon's real name is [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8pu59pFyNU Crispin Freeman.]]]]
This makes more sense than it should. It's hard-ish to pronounce for Japanese (Kurisupin Furiiman or something) but sounds kind of regal, and starts with a "ku" sound which could easily mutate into "Kyon".

[[WMG: Kyon will punch Itsuki at some point.]]
Just compare their English voice actors. [[{{Durarara}} I will wait.]]

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[[folder:WMG Kyon is God]]
[[WMG:It isn't really Haruhi who is [[Main/AGodAmI unconsciously a god]], but Kyon.]] Haruhi is either an aspect of his personality, or a convenient person to work his power through. Note his dialogue at the beginning of the series; he once wanted to believe in time travel, aliens, and espers, but has learned to suppress it. Having someone ''else'' have god-like powers to create these things allows him denial.
* This is actually supported by the introduction of eccentric yet sane Main/GenkiGirl Sasaki -- Kyon's middle-school friend and the reason for Kunikida's ''"Kyon has a history of liking strange girls"'' -- in volume 9, who [[spoiler:the anti-SOS brigade insist is the ''real'' and original god before her powers were somehow shifted to Haruhi]]. Suspicious.
** Even more suspicious once you realize [[spoiler: that despite being [[EvilCounterpart Evil Counterparts]] to the SOS Brigade, there is no Counterpart for Kyon and that their main goal is to ''make Kyon join them.'']] I think they know something we don't.
* Why would Kyon do this? Because Haruhi is unpredictable. That quality is ''gold'' to an omniscient being; being able to control everything is boring. Sure, giving her the power means constantly having to run around keeping her from destroying reality; but Kyon will never, ever be bored.
* In this light, Itsuki the Esper is the Skeptic. Note the capital S; he is either trying to get Kyon to admit his role, or at least deconstruct the "rules" of Kyon's creation. Kyon's counter to this is Haruhi; the Unpredictable One. In the novels, Kyon commented that Itsuki's playing a role in ''Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead'' was "very appropriate, even though he had never seen the play that was a deconstruction of that British playwright's, whoever he was." Blocking Itsuki's attempts to deconstruct his reality is a game to him.
* Nagato the Alien, on the other hand, believes in Kyon's given reality and in Kyon the Character so much that Kyon the god feels really, really guilty about it. In the fourth novel, upon Nagato getting the power to rewrite reality, she does so in accordance to what Kyon the Character has stated he wants it to be; that is, "normal." He had to "break his own personal moral code" and gently tell her the truth; he wants things to be crazy. Realizing that being an [[Main/EmotionlessGirl alien to humanity]] makes Nagato unhappy, it seems the plot, AKA Kyon, is taking steps for her Main/ToBecomeHuman. Itsuki has directly commented on this.
** Keep in mind, Kyon or Haruhi, the god involved is not aware of having the powers...
*** Not necessarily. Maybe Kyon is God, he knows that and is even more of an UnreliableNarrator than we thought.
* This troper had the exact same idea, and is really glad someone else did, too. Having read most of the light novel translations, I honestly believe this is where the story is going. Keep in mind that Kyon wanted to believe in aliens, espers, and time travel back in high school, but gave it up to turn "normal" -- which would be placed at around... 3 years before the series started. Think about it. He wants to meet Espers, Aliens, and Time Travelers, and, subconsciously, wants to meet other people who are interested in the same things. 3 years ago, this comes to a head -- he creates Espers, Aliens, Time Travelers, and a person just as interested in them as he is, Haruhi. Suddenly he's interacting with EA&TT every single day, he's going on crazy adventures, and he's got a cute assertive girl driving said adventures that embodies his own drive for fantastic adventures -- as well as his own childish innocence. The fact that she's extremely attractive and falling in love with him doesn't hurt, either.
** In addition, his life now contains three very attractive girls, two of whom have some very [[LesYay interesting]] interactions with each other, almost all of which he gets to observe. He even says when Yuki loses her glasses "I never had a glasses fetish anyway". Kyon as subconscious YuriFanboy[=/=]CovertPervert makes a lot more sense than Haruhi as YaoiFangirl, considering she's hardly ever around when Itsuki is being a little more ambiguous. (Itsuki coming onto Kyon only when Haruhi isn't around is also far better explained by "Kyon subconsciously likes guys but doesn't want Haruhi to find out" than "Haruhi wants an AmbiguouslyGay character".)
* The thing that really proves this one for me is that in the Rampage of Haruhi of Suzumiya, when the SOS brigade is [[spoiler:trapped in an endless summer it only ends when Kyon does his homework. Sure they explain it as Haruhi wanting to have a perfect summer vacation which includes the group homework cram but it seemed to me that Itsuki was really clutching at straws to explain it. If you look at it from the point of view that the reason the summer loops is because God does not want to go back to school with homework not done makes far more sense.]]
** This troper feels that it was simply [[spoiler: Haruhi trying to give Kyon more time to do his homework.]]
*** But Haruhi did not know that [[spoiler: Kyon had not done his homework. If we accept that the reason for the loop was Kyon's homework as opposed to Haruhi's complete summer experience, then we must also accept that Kyon caused it because he's the only person who knew his homework was not done]]
**** Unless [[spoiler: the reason for the loop was because Haruhi had wanted to visit Kyon's house during the summer vacation and used Kyon's declaration of his unfinished homework as an excuse to have a 'study group' at his place.]]
*** Or that she wanted a definitive finishing task. Otherwise they're just playing around and not getting to anything, leaving an incomplete feeling leading Haruhi to want to continue. If they finish up Kyon's homework, the games have been set aside and Haruhi no longer feels that everything should continue like that.
*** It doesn't even need to be a definite finishing task. It plainly sucks doing nothing on your last day of vacation.
* This troper thinks that rather than being God himself and bestowing powers on others, Kyon is the ultimate quantum observer, and Haruhi's powers only work because he is there to observe them. That's why when everyone was suspiciously appropriately cast in the amateur movie, he was the cameraman.
** This would also explain how the weird piece of metal that Kyon found (that the Time Travelers asked him to hide from Haruhi) has been [[Main/{{Foreshadowing}} foreshadowed]] to be somehow able to bind Data Entities after Kyon hears Tsuruya speculate that it may be a piece of technology from an ancient civilization....even though the physical affecting data entities ''makes no sense'' with what we've heard so far. He heard her say it and "charged" the statement by Observing it.
*** Not only that, but Kyon has also Observed the Founder of Main/TimeTravel have his "Apple Falling Off The Tree" moment.
** "Suspiciously appropriate"? It's not very suspicious when Kyon outright told Haruhi who was what after they got back from being TrappedInAnotherWorld. She had a bad attack of WrongGenreSavvy, claiming that there was no way she'd just stumble upon what she was looking for ''that'' easily. Too bad she didn't know that was the premise and not the plot.
** You just blew my mind.
** So, Haruhi is the actual Schrödinger's cat?
** You know with all the other GeniusBonus stuff in there this might make actual sense, however in this case it might be more along the lines of Schrödinger's Schoolgirl.
* This troper has a specific spin on it. The god's powers are manifestations of the subconscious expectations or desires of the god, therefore if Kyon, as a god, traveled back in time with the subconscious expectation that Haruhi had godlike powers, that would cause Haruhi to become god upon his arrival 'three years ago', thus creating a situation where Haruhi has godlike powers so Itsuki can tell Kyon that she is god, thus giving him his subconscious expectation that causes her to gain the powers in the first place and oh dear I've gone cross-eyed...
* Alternatively, you could say that Kyon was always the God, but when he learned to suppress his desire for a world filled with aliens, ghosts, psychics and time travelers, he managed to find a girl who just happened to openly wish for the same thing. Thus, he endowed Haruhi with divine powers. Thus, Haruhi's influence allows for a world where supernatural stuff does exist, while Kyon's influence prevents the world from becoming too weirdo.
* Or, to get Gnostic, Kyon is God, and Haruhi is the Demiurge... Wait, that doesn't work. Kyon is {{Jesus}} to Haruhi's Demiurge.
* Questions: If Kyon is the real god, what is it with that event 3 or 4 years ago when Haruhi (supposedly) recreated the universe? That Haruhi couldn't have had powers back then - Then it would basically have to be Kyon from the "present" timeline who visited her and helped her with that sign thingy. But wouldn't that create a paradox if he transferred his powers to her? And even if he had kept the powers to himself all the time, that would be even weirder because then the whole time-loop problem and the solution of it wouldn't make sense (Oh and the climax of the first chapter wouldn't either ^^). So he obviously must have transferred it to her. But that can't be because of said paradox. Besides, the Data Entity or rather Yuki said they found that godlike power in Haruhi! (And apparently they know of all timelines or something like that) Now of course they could lie to him, but why would they do that.. I don't think Kyon is the true god (although it would be a sick and awesome twist) unless someone of you could explain the arising plotholes of the theory ^^ But Its still possible that he has ''some'' kind of power.. I just say "slider".. And the 9th novel.. that mindscrewing thing..
** Well, if Kyon is the true god, then he can make whatever the hell he wants happen. So basically, an explanation for all that you just put forth is "Because he is god, he can make it happen"
** No. Haruhi's powers aren't ultimate either. It still wouldn't explain how he can be god when another person created the world (and him) 3 years ago.
** Who says the world was created three years ago, much less by Haruhi? That is just a "theory" by someone who has been called untrustworthy by the other two members of the cast. But it is noteworthy that none can be trusted - we cannot assume that any of their words are true. Indeed, Nagato even points this out to Kyon - the only reason he "knows" what he knows is because he believed what they had told him but, as she herself points out, none of them have proven anything. Heck, this whole section is predicated on the idea that they are actually deific beings, something only one of them claims.
*** And even he claims later he's not entirely sure of that, but that is the official party line.
* All this troper has to say on the matter is this: The Unreliable Author has been screwing around with us from the beginning Chris Carter style. Chances are pretty good he's making things up as he goes along (tough to find a JMS who has actually thought things through). Authors are infamous for {{Ass Pull}}s. Hell, for all we know, Kyon and the rest of the gang are actually the real final five. Bottom line, most of the theories on this page are equally supportable until the Author decides to make one of them canon.
* Well... maybe they're both gods? Equal and opposite beings, with Haruhi representing Chaos and Kyon representing Order. When the series just began, he was giving up on his dreams of encountering aliens, espers and such, and if he is a real god, then the act of giving up on these things would probably make them disappear, but Haruhi intervened and changed things. And while Haruhi would erase reality over spilled milk if left to her own devices, Kyon keeps her from doing so. So Haruhi keeps Kyon from making the world stagnant and dull, while Kyon keeps Haruhi from randomly reshaping it to suit her whims every other week. It's a [[Main/OrderVersusChaos balance thing.]]
** I think Kyon is already Balance, it's Sasaki who is Order to the point of stifling. Or possibly the two of them are making worse a war in Kyon's own mind over the subject.
*** Or maybe Kyon gave Haruhi power to overcome the effect Sasaki had on Kyon.
* So, he was using Sasaki as a sort of Main/AuthorAvatar throughout the time he knew ''her'', but once he lost touch with her and found Haruhi, not only did he subconsciously transfer the powers (or at least the Avatar status, since he still kept the actual ''powers'' to himself) to Haruhi, he also unleashed a sort of cosmic Main/RetCon to make it look like she'd always had them. This actually presents a much more logical explanation for many things...
* Some evidence I came up with to support this theory after reading it: the mole on Mikuru's breast. She didn't even notice it until Kyon pointed it out. The reason? It wasn't there until Kyon put it there to give himself a reason to see more of her cleavage.
** This is also why he made Haruhi the [[Main/RapeAsComedy comedic version]] of a Main/DepravedBisexual. He really enjoys watching Haruhi molest Mikuru but the gentlemanly side of him can't admit that (that's obvious just from his Internal Monologues), so he subconsciously wills Haruhi to do it ''against'' his token protests. This way, he is free to enjoy the sights while convincing himself he's not responsible for her getting treated this way.
* The A and B stories in Volume 9 could be due to Kyon himself being momentarily unable to decide how that story should end, so he leaves his options open.
** That makes just as much sense as any other explanation for Volume 9...
*** To really take things to the WMG extreme, perhaps the apparent lack of a volume 10 (and the fact that volume 9 ends abruptly in the middle of the story) is because he decided the entire story was stupid and therefore stopped writing it.
* An interesting idea this troper does not really believe, Kyon ''was'' the god, until he unintentionally and unknowingly passed on them some years back. This possibly happened at the time he decided the strange things he wanted would not happen. His powers would no longer be utilized. At that point, it transferred to Sasaki, who didn't like the idea and passed the ability on rather quickly to Haruhi, who was less easily satisfied/despairing than Kyon and more willing to actually subconsciously have the ability than Sasaki. And now Haruhi seems to be calming down as well...
* This troper demands a satisfactory explanation for book #7 within this context; because honestly, I can't see how it could possibly measure up to the awesomeness of inadvertently thwarting evil schemes and causing the invention of time travel as a mere side effect of [[spoiler:keeping Kyon too busy to realize that Valentine's Day is coming up.]]
* Mashing it all together... Kyon is the actual God, but being massively GenreSavvy he restricted his own access to his powers and imposed a subconscious mind lock on himself in order to avoid AGodAmI moment and all that closed space stuff. Remember when he said that he found out that aliens, Santa Claus, etc. weren't real ? He actually just banned his powers and so they disappeared. However, omnipotence is a fickle thing, and so it leaked out, a little like magic radiation in {{Discworld}} - and found baseball-traumatized little Haruhi. It used her as a sort of secondary host, as an outlet for Kyon's suppressed desires - so she wishes for aliens, time travellers and ESPers as a proxy to have wacky adventures. Kyon himself states that he actually likes the stuff happening with Haruhi. Also, note that the SOS girls appeal to him, and that generally it all actually fits. Summary: Kyon suppressed his own powers, is therefore unaware, but his subconscious created / amplified Haruhi in order to please him. may have been said already, but it fits. Oh, and the hand Haruhi takes in the opening ? It's Subconscious!Kyon offering her ascension in a dream.
** And Koizumi represents his repressed bisexuality. Note that in one episode of Endless Eight (number 7 I believe), both times he is awakened from slumber, he's got his hands on his butt.
* Although I don't have absolute proof, it seems as though Haruhi rarely acts normally unless Kyon feels some strong emotion. Also, Haruhi has almost no character development in the series and has almost no empathy. This could be because she is Kyon's subconscious desires (e.g. sexually molesting Mikuru, going on adventures and generally doing whatever she wants). Kyon can stop her because he can suppress these desires, although not for long.
** Actually Haruhi gets her deal of character development in the series too. It certainly is more subtle than what Yuki gets, for example, but this troper was amazed to realize that Haruhi in Snow Mountain Syndrome is in fact quite different girl than Haruhi in The Melancholy.
* Itsuki seems to tease/hint several times in the anime about the nature of Kyon and Haruhi's godhood. In "The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina" he implies that Kyon, while unable to affect anything, is the key to bring about change. And in "Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody" he points out that in chess, the queen has all the power and incorrectly states the king has no value, where Kyon is the seemingly valueless king. Haruhi may have the God's magical powers, but Kyon has either the far-reaching knowledge or the will of God. He even subconsciously knows he's done something wrong to Yuki and wants to make it up to her, [[spoiler:before she tells him what she's been doing for 600 years]].
** Indeed, "The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina" 's plot itself could be seen as a proxy for the story of the series, but Kyon and Haruhi seem to be merged, though Itsuki's reaction to Nagato's words imply that he is Kyon in the story, not Haruhi. It is worth noting that, at the end, Itsuki's character's "hidden powers" awaken, and given how suspiciously accurate the plot is otherwise in some ways (the cast are all of the correct type, for example)...
* Another point for Kyon: When Haruhi gets angry at Kyon when he refuses to tell her what is on his mind after her stand-in performance for ENOZ, she throws grass at him, but it is blown back into her face rather than hitting Kyon. Indeed, things always seem to work out for the better for Kyon.
* I'd like to point out something interesting from the first light novel: in the very beginning of the book, Kyon speculates on what kind of character he would be in plots that sound like generic shounen. What makes this interesting, however, is the fact that Kyon repeatedly casts himself as 'out of the limelight', so to speak. In his fantasies, he is never the hero, just a sidekick. Kyon truly believes he would be better off [[OutOfFocus out of focus]] and off to the sidelines, storywise. In the books, this is what happens - Kyon is the everyman [[ArthurDent character]] interacting with all the other fantastic elements of the 'verse. He has a personality, but little to no backstory, which would befit his 'position' in the story. Meanwhile, Haruhi, the 'hero', has a well-established personality and backstory. TL;DR: Kyon is the actual reality warper, Kyon is [[GenreSavvy Genre Savvy]], and is forming the world around him in the guise of what he considers the perfect story for him.
* This troper has an [[http://www.gwern.net/The%20Melancholy%20of%20Kyon.html ungodly long essay]] arguing just this, and will steal any arguments presented here he didn't already think of.
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[[folder:WMG Yuki Nagato]]
[[WMG: Originally, it was Nagato who was the "back-up" while Asakura was the original Agent assigned to observe Haruhi.]]
Hence her having the emotions and actually in a position to observe Haruhi, while Nagato was in stand-by in the Book Club Room. But Haruhi, being Haruhi, chose Nagato. The Integrated Data Entity switched Nagato's and Asakura's roles, something Asakura and her Sponsor didn't accept.
* This, actually, makes way too much sense for it to be in WildMassGuessing.
* Seems like Nagato really was the one in charge, in the more important (to them) position of monitoring Haruhi. Monitoring requires distance, though, so Asakura was made as bait in their idea of a perfect, happy and kind student to get Haruhi to ''do'' something. Subtle actions on Asakura's part would hopefully gain subtle response from Haruhi. When that doesn't work, she ups the scale of prodding Haruhi in an attempt to kill Kyon. Basically, following her programming. Note that she never really strays from her apparent emotional state, making her the real EmotionlessGirl, possibly precisely because she has less autonomy in how she acts and was always meant to be the less (to the IDE) important of the two. Watching Haruhi is more important than getting her to do something. If you don't know what's going on, how can you learn? Nagato simply felt the reaction would probably be too [[{{Understatement}} undesirable]] to be worth the risk.

[[WMG:Nagato must obey Kyon's every command]]
In the episode with the missing computer club guy, Nagato freezes halfway through pointing at something when Kyon says "Hold it." I cannot remember if it is the case in the anime but in the book it is explicitly stated that she stays perfectly still despite the oncoming giant insect until Kyon says "you can move again." If you combine this with the fact that only Kyon's orders could make her open the door in the island mystery one I think this conclusion seems fairly reasonable.
* But why? Because Kyon has subconsciously chosen her as his follower, the way the Espers are divided between Haruhi and Sasaki. This is also why she was able to hijack Haruhi's power, a feat ''noone else'' in the Integrated Data Entity can do. Kyon is also subconsciously preventing them from wondering how she did that.
** It's like that in the anime, too, although if you're not paying attention, you can easily miss it completely.
** More evidence for this theory in the Rampage of Haruhi Suzumiya which is what the episode with the computer game is based on Nagato must wait for Kyon's permission to alter the game, she even says "The one who placed a limit on my data manipulation abilities is you." Why does Kyon have the power to limit her abilities? She also waits for Kyon's permission before joining the Computer Club.
** More "Yuki is Kyon's follower" examples. After the Cave Cricket incident, Kyon muses that Yuki had set it up so that Haruhi wouldn't be bored. There's a major flaw in this reasoning. At the time, not only was Haruhi in a good mood, but it was ''Kyon'' who was bored. Also, Haruhi quickly lost interest in the case of the missing Computer Club president, leaving Kyon to see the "case" through. If Yuki had come up with the scenario, it was for Kyon; not Haruhi.
* Countered, from [[http://wiki.sos-dan.com/wiki/Template:Trivia SOS-dan]]: Nagato's actions are always subtle, and ''Someday in the Rain'' shows the slight variance in her responses to different people. For example, in 16:00, Nagato indicated to Tsuruya where Mikuru was, but in 17:45, Nagato did not tell Kyon where Haruhi was.
** That episode, however, was not in the original works (the light novels) and can therefore, be considered non-canon.
*** I doubt it. Tanigawa Nagaru did the writing for that episode.
* Of course, it could be just that Yuki is in love with Kyon. This is hinted with the Closed Space incident, where she messages Kyon that "Another trip to the library would be...". Kyon getting her a library card could have been the most romantic gesture she could think of.
** And she does say "I personally want you to return."
** Arguably, her growing feelings for Kyon are what drive her off the deep end (for a Data Entity Interface, anyway) and rewriting the universe with herself a "normal" schoolgirl and Haruhi and Koizumi no longer students at North High. Of course, this makes the escape program an example of IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy.
* Going along with the above, you could interpret what Nagato did as her wanting to spend time with Kyon, who isn't around for most of the episode. Think about it: when Tsuruya barged in and asked where Mikuru was, she immediately pointed out her general direction. What does she do when Kyon finally comes back and asks her where the rest of the SOS-dan are? She simply stares at him, then nods.

[[WMG: Alter-Ryoko was Yuki's subconscious desire to stay human.]]
No form of Yuki would want to hurt Kyon, but the fact that Alter-Ryoko ''knew'' Kyon was trying to change things back when even Human Yuki didn't suggests she was created differently from everyone else in the Main/AlternateUniverse. Some small part in the back of Yuki's mind gave herself a companion in the new world that would defend it. Add a dallop of guilt for original Ryoko's erasure, mix in Ryoko's normal psychopathy, and stir.
* ''Alternate Interpretation'': ''Alternate!Ryoko is a Main/PsychoLesbian Main/StalkerWithACrush on Alternate!Yuki''. Why else, in the parallel continuity that Yuki had just created, was she hanging around the school at 4 am? Watching Yuki? ''With a knife?!''
** Why was Ryoko made like this in the parallel universe? It's clear that Yuki did not alter personalities, only altered events and removed the supernatural. In the case of herself and Ryoko, they wound up with personalities closest to how they acted as aliens: Main/ShrinkingViolet...and Main/StepfordSmiler Main/KnifeNut.
** The troper writing this secondary theory has considered this interpretation canonical for a while (to the point of mentioning it on the [[Characters/HaruhiSuzumiya Cast Page]]), but it's left ambiguous enough by the narrator (who had more important things to worry about, like bleeding to death) that it probably belongs here.
** There's a doujin that I believe is entitled All-Purpose Cultural Yuki Nagato based on this idea, with the twist that Ryoko is actually in love with Yuki (in her psychotic way), and also explains why the alternate Yuki still wears glasses when Kyon has told her she looks better without them (Ryoko thinks she doesn't). It's a bit explicit, though.
* Alternately, Alter-Ryoko appeared because Yuki STILL HAD Haruhi's powers, and summoned her when Kyon TRIED TO SHOOT HER WITH A GUN! Yuki however didn't know she have been granted those power.
* Alternatively, Alter-Ryoko helped Yuki change the world, and was near her when it happened. Retaining her own memories, Ryoko was there to protect Yuki because Yuki would no longer be able to protect herself. She was an ordinary human now. It was only natural that Ryoko attacked Kyon when he pointed at Yuki with a gun. In the first chapter of the 7th novel, Ryoko asks the future Yuki (who saved Kyon from Ryoko): "Why? Wasn't this what you wanted?"
** Alter-Ryoko couldn't be her subconscious desire since Yuki was conscious of that desire, but it was her defense mechanism to try to preserve her life of normalcy with Kyon. The gun was possibly a symbolic choice on Yuki's part, since it would kill off not just the Alter-Yuki she wanted to be, but would leave Yuki vulnerable to termination by the IDSE for reality-warping in the first place.

[[WMG: Nagato could hijack Haruhi powers because Kyon transfered them to her]]
Nagato was able to use Haruhi powers to alter reality in Vol.4 only because Kyon - probably subconsciously - transfered Haruhi power, or allowed them to be transfered. Tachibana Kyoko thinks that Kyon can transfer Haruhi power to Sasaki - or at least is crucial in doing so. Some dialogs in Asahina Mikuru's Adventure suggest that Kyon is somehow 'key' to Haruhi power. Of all people in the world, who Kyon trust most and wouldn't mind if they were holders of supernatural powers? Nagato.
[[WMG: Kyon is unconsciously a genie, and grants the wishes of those closest to him]]
Several of the above [=WMGs=] relate to this, but this is different in an important way: Kyon grants wishes, but not his own. At least not directly. Nagato, a sci-fi bookworm wanted to know everything and be an alien. So she's turned into an Integrated Thought Sentient Entity interface, which knows pretty much everything AND is an alien. Koizumi is classy, and given his bootlicking personality he wants to be high up in some organization. So, he's given the most important job an esper can have, and Haruhi considers him her second in command. Asahina's motives are unclear. (And this troper personally believes the WMG that she's only helpless to get close to Haruhi and Kyon) Since she's very secretive, I suppose her wish would be that she gets to be "in the loop". Notice that she also refuses to tell people things that she knows they already know. Either that or she wants to know her current problems will get better in the future, which she knows becuase she has seen her future self. Lastly Haruhi, who [[IJustWantToBeSpecial just wants to be special.]] If Kyon really does care about Haruhi, then he's made her the most important person in the world, with more than three organizations all wanting to know more about her, yet all subservient to her wishes. Now Kyon never gets his wishes unless someone else helps him out. The only problem is that other people that are somewhat close to him don't get any abilities, or else Taniguchi would be the most popular guy in school. It also seems that Kyon's sister doesn't have any wishes. On the other hand, Kyon's sister gets a magical cat in the books and is allowed on the island in the anime. Another problem is that Ryoko Asakura got a wish granted, and she definitely doesn't seem to be a special person of Kyon's, unless Nagato wished to save Kyon.
* Kyon equals Ayu, uguu? My mind is shattered!

[[WMG: Yuki doesn't ''really'' [[IJustWantToBeNormal want to be normal]].]]
Kyon thought he did, but realized he was wrong when he actually had the choice. Alternate-universe Yuki didn't have the chance to properly consider it, since she didn't know what her alien self had done to change things. For all we know, she would have come to the same realization as Kyon. (I don't expect this guess to be popular, since it makes her much less TheWoobie.)
* I can agree with her not wanting to be normal. Isn't the implication that she just wants to get away from Haruhi who is annoying the ''hell'' out of her? She can't even express her annoyance properly to anyone but Kyon! Remember, this is mostly before Haruhi's character development where she's dragging everyone around, dressing them up, groping them and generally making life very difficult for someone who would like to just sit around and read without being interrupted. She wants to be special in more normal circumstances (read: an off switch for when it gets to be too much. Alternate reality Yuki had some overlap in personality and interests, but she wasn't the same and probably really would have just preferred normalcy.
* I read this differently; Errant Nagato does want to me normal, ''desperately.'' She does everything within her power to ensure her past self can't interfere. (The sync-preventing barrier, making Asakura essentially her bodyguard, etc.) This turns the events of the book into something of a giant chess match between Past Nagato and Errant Nagato. Kyon assumes his awareness of the change and the hints along the way are Nagato wanting him to be the one to make the final decision, but I think they were the direct result of Past Nagato's tinkering, and she didn't give a damn what he thought, she just wanted out.

[[WMG: Yuki is the real/original reality bender.]]
It's clear that Yuki has the most power out of the three helpers, and she apparently steals Haruhi's powers once. As a sci-fi aficionado, she always wanted to be an alien, and the Integrated Data Sentient Entity isn't very stock as aliens go, it's quite well thought out. She probably lost control of her powers once before, so she buried her emotion with her powers. It's possible the relationship with her Nakama is her way of making sure it doesn't happen again, so that she can restore her own emotions. Asakura was shocked with her coding ability, - which is apparently above normal - to save Kyon, and of course, it was very dramatic. It may also be possible when Haruhi was destroying the world that it was Yuki's jealousy, since Haruhi doesn't go anywhere near as out of control when she's jealous of Yuki. Yuki constantly bails out Kyon of situations she creates because she wants to be useful. As for Asahina, she was probably created to give Kyon something to look at without objectifying herself. Itsuki was brought in because of his tendency to speculate and help Kyon figure things out, or to divert things.

Haruhi's presence could be a result of any number of things:
* An avatar through which to manipulate events and bring them together.
* A person to give the powers to, as something fun to do through conflict
* A curiousity endeavor, as in, how do people respond to omnipotence?
Kyon's presence is obvious. She found a normal person, for whom she will do anything. She grants his earlier wish to meet time travelers, espers and aliens. She's given him something to do, and she's made him rely on her. Yuki has been characterized as being burdened by the knowlege of what is to come, and that is to make sure she is not going to destroy everything.

[[WMG: Yuki is going to die in the tenth book.]]
Then, Haruhi will finally find out about the web of secrets around her. And then she shall bring down ''divine fury'' on the people who dared harm a Brigade Member. There are plenty of ways that she could find out, but the one I'd like the most: immediately after Yuki passes on, Kyon turns to Haruhi, plays his trump card, explains the situation, and sits back to watch the fireworks.
* I doubt Kyon would wait for Yuki to actually die. If it becomes clear that she's ''going to'' die and the rest of the Brigade has no solutions, he has every reason to play it preemptively.
** Remember, the Trump Card is akin to CrossingTheStreams. Basically if both Koizumi and Mikuru are ALSO neutralized, there would only be one person left for Kyon to call help from: Haruhi Suzumiya.
*** Neutralized or not, what could Koizumi or Mikuru possibly do to help against an enemy capable of neutralizing Yuki?
*** I don't quite get the 'trump card' thing. If Yuki can hijack Haruhi's power to make"Disappearance", it follows that her superiors can hijack them as well. So much for the 'trump card'.
*** Kyon never told any of the interfaces the nature of the trump card (it seems he's only thinking it when talking to Yuki), so for all they know he's bluffing. They're unlikely to want to hijack Haruhi's powers without a very good reason, which means that unless they have an interface eavesdropping when Kyon plays the card the first they'll know about it is when the fully aware Haruhi comes for them, by which point it will probably be way too late.
*** Just because the IDE created Yuki doesn't mean it has all her powers. For example: Humans have created machines that can travel thousands of kilometers per hour, but humans themselves can't. Yuki has practically killed the IDE in ''Disappearance'' without it being able to prevent it, so why wouldn't Haruhi be able to do it too?

[[WMG: Haruhi subconciously allowed Yuki to steal her power]]
It makes things more interesting, interesting enough for a movie. Thats why Kyon's trump card works-Haruhi will let her powers be used for things which are arguably 'fun', but removing one of her brigade members? No dice.
[[WMG: Haruhi is really Jesus' second human incarnation]]
She's testing if humanity is yet ready to go back to Eden now. By accepting someone as weird as the melancholical and bossy Haruhi, they would prove theirselfs to be worthy.

[[WMG: Yuki has thousands of masks and yukata hidden in a closet in her apartment.]]
It's possible that, since she remembers every summer in Endless Eight, that Yuki also kept all of the yukata Haruhi bought her and all of the masks Yuki bought herself. And, since each mask and yukata appear to be different, the [[{{Futurama}} time duplicate destruction]] is avoided.
* Why would she still have the yukata and masks if time had been undone? They would not disappear, but would they not have gone back to where she got them at the reset, and stayed there or been taken by another person when she got different ones? Otherwise, they are coming from nowhere. And most importantly, isn't it gross misconduct for Yuki to expand her closet just to have enough space for all those sets of robes?
** Gross misconduct? Why would the Integrated Data Entity care how big Yuki's closet is?
*** [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking That was]] [[CompletelyMissingThePoint the joke]].
* Unless she got her hands into TARDIS technology. Which is probable.

[[WMG: Yuki does in fact have emotions, but only Kyon can see them.]]
I have not read the novels, but Yuki expresses emotion three times that I know of: happiness during the Day of Sagitarius, anger during the Ryouko fight, and boredom during Endless Eight. Mikuru and Itsuki know she's an alien so they don't bother to look for signs of emotion, and Haruhi is, of course, completely oblivious.
* I believe the way it works is that Kyon's the only one perceptive enough to notice. Her emotional signals are extremely minor compared to most people's, but Kyon's learned how to tell how she's feeling.
* I think he's wrong about half the emotions he reads from her. We simply accept what [[UnreliableNarrator Kyon]] says she is feeling? Since when has his track record at reading people been any good?
* If you disregard his rather extreme SelectiveObliviousness about Haruhi's feelings for him, since always.
** According to him. Not to be get too geeky here, but uh you can think of it like Shamisen was saying. His interpretation of how Yuki etc. feel is simply a scenario that matches the evidence so far. Just like Koizumi and Mikuru's theories do, despite being completely contradictory. In fact, Kyon's perceptions drastically color ours. The most notable counterexample would be in his refusing to be suspicious of Mikuru, which was pointed out by Koizumi.

[[WMG:Nagato broke her directive of "observation" and hooked up with Kyon during one or more iterations of Endless Eight.]]
The "errors" accumulating due to uptime far longer than her original design specification, along with frustration at her powerlessness to end the endless summer, drive Nagato to act out by sleeping with Kyon. Kyon does not remember, but is aware of something "changed" in Yuki, while Yuki cannot forget, but also cannot do anything about her newfound feelings, as Haruhi's jealousy would cause Main/TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. As a result, she creates an Main/AlternateReality where Haruhi is out of the picture, she can be a normal human free of the burden of her duty and memories, and she and Kyon can get to know each other and fall in love. The one memory she leaves herself of her old life is also the moment when she first became attracted to Kyon out of more than just intellectual curiosity (though she did not realize it until later): the episode at the library earlier that year.

Additionally, Nagato does not ''truly'' give Kyon an option out of Main/IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy; rather, she is thwarted only by the foresight of her earlier, coldly logical self, who does not understand the feelings that she will come to experience later on. This only adds to the angst that runs beneath her Main/EmotionlessGirl exterior.

[[WMG: ''Yuki'' was the one responsible for Endless Eight]]
It was a last ditch attempt to prevent ''Disappearance'' from happening.

[[WMG: Haruhi subconsciously "remembers" Nagato taking her power, and recreated "The Vanishment of Nagato Yuki Chan" world for her AU self.]]
* Behold: [[http://v1.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/6382/nagato_yuki_chan_no_shoushitsu/chapter.97532/page.13/ Exibit A.]] She appears before Yuki-chan the same way John Smith did to her; to get her to join the Literary Club.
** Actually, this is the Haruhi from that world (hence the hair-style and ribbons). After "our" Kyon left; the power flowed from that Nagato to her; and she had already been told about her alternate universe having those powers by "our" Kyon; so she acknowledged it immediately. First order of business was to clean things up.

[[WMG: Yuki didn't steal Haruhi's powers]]

I never really bought the whole stealing powers thing to begin with. It was left too vague and I think if she'd had that ability she'd have used it during the Endless Eight. Nevertheless I accepted it because we had nothing else to go on, until book nine. It showed the powers were transferable and the implication seemed to be that the powers currently reside in whoever Kyon wants to be with on a subconscious level. First it was Sasaki then Haruhi. The point at which Yuki "obtains" the powers is Disappearance, which also happens to be the point at which the narrative (written by Kyon) starts focusing on Yuki instead of Haruhi, coincidence? I reckon that this is the point at which Kyon shifts affections to Yuki and Yuki suddenly finds herself in possession of the powers. Being an alien she actually realises she's got them, unlike the previous two owners, and uses them. The question is, does she still have them?
* Don't forget, though - she didn't use her powers during Endless Eight because she was instructed only to observe. I don't doubt that she seriously wanted to jack Haruhi's powers and end her boredom, but that would go against her orders.
** I get the feeling she didn't do anything there because, if you'll notice, ''nobody ever asked her to do anything.'' Not even remind them that they were in a loop. She rather seems to lack initiative. Until Disappearance, anyway. Also, the IDE has shown itself to be perfectly capable of '[[RealityWarper data manipulation.]]' It's likely they only need Haruhi because of how chaotic she is: She does things they would never think of. Perhaps she just stopped following a sort of non-interference order and showed what she was ''really'' capable of.
* The Data Entity is a RealityWarper, yes. However, the reason it is watching over Haruhi is because it is limited by EquivalentExchange. They can manipulate data all they want, but only Haruhi can create (and presumably destroy) data. Yuki mentions this in her first exposition.
** Ok then, but if only Haruhi's power is capable of that, and Yuki can steal that power, why bother observing her? What Yuki did is right along the lines of what Haruhi was trying before Kyon ([[OrIsIt possibly]]) interrupted her. There's just too big a plot hole to say she stole the powers and leave it like that. If that were the case, the IDE would simply snatch the powers, withdraw Yuki etc. and go on their merry way. If they're still watching Haruhi, there has to be more to it than simply data creation.

[[WMG: Yuki gave Haruhi her powers three years ago on behalf of the IDE.]]
The IDE always had such reality warping powers and simply couldn't think of a way to use them to improve itself anymore. They decided to give someone else their abilities and see what ''they'' would do with them. So they picked a race they were interested in, humans, and then narrowed down the choice to Haruhi because A. she wants weird things, B. she's secretly rational and won't notice and threaten them and C. She's a decent person deep down and won't do anything ''too'' dangerous. Yuki could steal her powers because she ''gave'' them to Haruhi in the first place. It's why she was around three years ago. It's also why her abilities can involve reality warping as well, such as changing the baseball bat to always hit home runs. When she went on a rampage after stealing said powers, the IDE didn't punish her not because Kyon threatened them, but because they would lose Kyon's support and influence over Haruhi and therefore an external factor introducing major changes. She finally started doing weird stuff, after all. Finally, perhaps Haruhi isn't the only one with weird reality warping powers and this is all a giant experiment the IDE is carrying out. They grant these powers and take them away again if they're not learning anything from the wild chaotic humans, like Sasaki's insistence on normality.



[[WMG:Yuki was programmed to have an emotional bug]]
The IDE is a super intelligent entity with access to near unlimited computing power. It would not make an error of that magnitude in such an important program. The error was programmed in intentionally by either the IDE or Yuki herself as Xanatos Roulette of currently unknown purpose. Alternatively the emotional bug was the result of Yuki, tired of serving the IDE after the Endless Eight loop, was able to escape its control. They engaged in a data war similar to the one in Snow Mountain Syndrome, and the result was the alternate reality Kyon found himself in. The winner depended on whether Kyon succeeded at reversing the effect, although who actually won when he succeeded is unknown.
[[WMG: One or more characters is a WMG/TimeLord.]]
... is this just here to fulfill the [[TropeExampleLaws 14th Example Law]]?
* No. Mikuru is a time lord by virtue of the fact that she's a time traveller, and as we know from reading the WMG pages, all time travellers are time lords.

[[WMG: Yuki order Ryoko to atack Kyon.]]
To be trusted by Kyon, Yuki told Asakura to atack Kyon to can save him, i mean, if Asakura really was trying to kill someone, im pretty sure that there a re betters ways that trying to kill him with a knife.
And this can be match with the "kyon is god". Think about it, Asakura was trying to kill Kyon to watch what Haruhi do, but if Kyon REALLY is God, she atack him to see what God do.

[[WMG: The events of "Disappearance" are directly due to Yuki developing romantic feelings for Kyon.]]
The way her new, "normal" world was set up made things quite easy for her in that regard:
* Haruhi was at Kouyouen with Koizumi, who already had a crush on her - both placing her at a distance from Kyon, and giving him a viable rival for Haruhi's affections.
* Of all the former SOS Brigade members, Kyon could most easily establish contact with Yuki. Mikuru was an upperclassman with a protective best friend, Haruhi and Koizumi were students at another school, but Yuki was just a shy girl who was attracted to Kyon and wanted another member for her literature club. She also had the most positive (well, the least negative) initial reaction to him.
* Yuki let Kyon keep his memories and gave him the ability to change the world back. As much as she wanted the chance to have a normal relationship with him, she didn't want to do it against his will - she wanted him to be happy.

[[WMG: In the 10th Novel, Yuki will [[spoiler:catch Asakura's knife with her bare hand right as she trys to kill Kyon.]]]]
[[spoiler:'Alpha' Yuki that is, sliding into the 'Beta' timeline with 'Alpha' Kyon. Because she's already done it twice, why not a 3rd time?]]

[[WMG: Yuki did not leave Kyon with his memories intact because [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy She Wants Her Beloved To Be Happy]]]]
She did it because she knew that he was the only one capable of choosing the "strange" real world over the "normal" false one. Yuki does not exist in time and space the exact same way as we do. Like [[{{Watchmen}} Dr. Manhatten]] she experiences her entire existence simultaneously. She knows exactly what she's going to do but is powerless to stop it, it ''will'' happen, because it ''must'' happen, because it ''has'' happened. Mikuru and Itsuki by admission and evidenced by their actions would prefer quiet ordinary lives, and Haruhi cannot carry it out because she is clueless to the situation (and might not even notice the change in the first place) and not focused enough to figure it out before the deadline anyway. Not only is Kyon the only one capable of choosing the old world knowing full well the responsibilities that come with it (having already done it once before in ''Melancholy''), he's also the only one capable of taking the action necessary to see it through to the end, to the point of mobilizing the future versions of the himself and the SOS brigade to come back and save his own life when he's injured. He was not given a choice, he ''never'' had a choice because there was never any doubt which course he would take. He was given a job to do and he performed it. The moment he finds the bookmark there is absolutely no doubt about what will happen.
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[[folder:WMG Mikuru Asahina]]

[[WMG:Mikuru is the daughter of Kyon's sister and haruhi's brother]]
This would explain why mikuru acts and looks a lot like his siter but yet have a couple similarities to haruhi. i doubt that she's kyon and haruhi's daughter though since she doesn't treat them like they are her parents.
[[WMG:Mikuru is really Kyon's sister via Main/TimeTravel.]]
This theory comes from the fact that both of them did a "knock on their head and stick out their tongue" gesture. They also share the same eye color and have similar facial structures; Kyon's sister's hair is a couple shades darker than Mikuru's, but Mikuru could have artificially lightened it in order to minimize her resemblance to her younger self. Mikuru also is remarkably at ease around Kyon, to the point of roughhousing and horseplay (if Haruhi isn't around), which seems to be quite at odds with her otherwise timid nature. She also suggests more than once that Kyon should not become "interested" in her.
* This theory, unfortunately, is undermined by the vast difference in personalities. Kyon's little sister is, to put it mildly, [[Main/GenkiGirl a little fireball]]. Unless she suffered some dramatic trauma, it seems unlikely that she would grow up into the pathologically timid Mikuru.
** A variation that accounts for this is that ''Mikuru is Kyon's sister from an Main/AlternateUniverse where Kyon died''. Possibly, the presence of Haruhi has prevented it in this timeline; also possibly, she's going to ''cause'' it.
*** Actually, this theory works as is if we combine it with the "Mikuru isn't really as innocent as she seems." theory.
**** Or maybe not. When first dressed as a bunny girl, Mikuru said to Kyon "If I become spoiled for marriage, would you take me?". This doesn't sound like something she'd say to her brother!
***** Someone with an old-fashioned (and by that I mean almost feudal) and sexually innocent view of the world might. Main/IncestIsRelative after all. (Okay, I just love that trope name).
* The shared gesture can also be explained by the fact that Mikuru and Kyon's sister have spent some time together on several occasions and Kyon's sister could presumably have picked it up off Mikuru, children being impressionable and all. In fact, if I recall correctly it's adult Mikuru that uses the gesture and not young Mikuru, so it's entirely possible that Mikuru actually picked it up off of Imouto.
* I too noticed the specificity of the gesture and wondered if it meant something, but I think this plays better if Mikuru is Kyon's niece (Imouto's daughter), or maybe a slightly more distant relation along those lines. For something concrete, in one of the short stories Kyon and Mikuru save an elementary-school kid who's apparently crucial to the future development of time travel - it'd be nice to give him time to grow up.
** The shared gesture is fairly common, actually, not something specific to Mikuru. For another example, see [[SayonaraZetsubouSensei Chiri's disturbing variation,]] when she tries to become a {{Dojikko}}. There are lots more, but that was the first that came to mind.
* Objection: Doesn't Mikuru make mention of her childhood several times? In the novels, she mentions the stuff they learn in elementary school, she's unaware the ocean's salty, and doesn't understand how boats float. Most of all, when Kyon asks if she would like to stay in the present, she replies that as much as she loves the present (her past), she will only feel most at home in the future (her present). I now invite all the "Lost Twin Sister" and "Time Divergent Entity" Theories.
** Counter Objection: How is Mikuru's lackluster education relevant as to whether she is Kyon's sister? And besides, her "present" is our future, ergo, Kyon's sister's future. Which is better for you: 2008 or 1998?
* While I do not believe this myself, I kind of hope it is true because it would be a HILARIOUS kick in the balls for Kyon! I mean, really, can you imagine?
** Kyon (unwillingly) gropes Mikuru; of course it would be hil-LAR-ious
** The realization that Haruhi was practically molesting one of his family members, the realization that he'd been unknowingly lusting over his sister the entire time, and the realization that she knew the entire time and never bothered to tell him would hit Kyon with so much shock, embarrassment, and rage at the same time, his reaction would be priceless.
* I think, this is true. The two share many simmilarities and even look similar. I even think that Kyon mentioned once, that something Mikuru did reminded him on his sister. Also, she also call him by his nickname, even though she is very gentle and polite. Her only reason to call him "Kyon" would be, that she's used to do it, and that would only be the case, if she really was his sister, the very one person, who started the "Kyon-terror". It would a pretty funny slap in the face. Kyon lusted for his annoying, little sister. All the time.
* This makes so much sense! Now that I think about it, he had multiple comments about not being interested in his sister [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean that way]], that is kind of a SuspiciouslySpecificDenial, in some of these cases he explicitly compared her to Mikuru, claiming that he DOESN'T feel the same way for the two of them. The different personalities and the weird lack of knowledge could be easily explained as the result of the combination of brainwashing by [classified information], and the trauma of constantly getting "raped" by Haruhi, while HER BROTHER watches, and fantasizes about her.
** The difference in personality wouldn't even require that much, it could be just a result of growing up, people change quite a bit in their teens and she could simply have gone from outgoing and hyper to shy and fragile. Plus, though it's already been stated, Kyon's sister and Mikuru's facial features are, not just similar, but ''[[http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab264/90472/KyonsSister-MikuruAsahina.gif nearly identical]]''.
** Here is a collection of these comments:
-->Book 2: ''"I was so exhausted already. The thoughts of becoming a voyeur cameraman had long evaporated from my head. Of course, it would be a different story if it involved Asahina-san, but I'm not that sick as to want to preserve video images of my own sister!"''
--> Book 3, Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, lying about Mikuru: ''"That's my sister."''
--> Book 5, when looking at Mikoru: ''"It felt as if I were looking at my sister in yukata, aside from the overly voluptuous bust."''
--> Book 5, Snowy Mountain Syndrome: ''"Having my sister in my room... As if I would do anything to her. I might go down the slippery slope if I am to share a room with Asahina-san. Whether it'd be my sister or Shamisen is really of no difference to me."''
-->Book 6: ''"Asahina-san's tiny footsteps, coupled with her childlike features, made me wonder, was she really a year older than me? Her footsteps could easily compare to my sister's"''
-->Book 7, on reaction to puppies: "''If possible, I would like to bring Asahina-san here one day. I could picture her picking up one of those adorable puppies, her eyes sparkling in the process, as she made a shout of “Kyaa~”. That was something I had seen my sister do before, and I had no doubt Asahina-san would be the same."''


[[WMG:Mikuru-chan present has never travelled through time until Episode 8, and it is Adult Mikuru who travelled BACK in time to meet Kyon.]]

[[WMG:Mikuru is Kyon and Haruhi's [[KidFromTheFuture future descendant]]]]
Make's more sense than his sister, and provides even MORE black humor.
* Actually it's not farfetched if you think about it. Just take a guess of how far is Mikuru's time (Hint: she can use complex tools for her time -her TPDD and comm device- but doesn't know how to use a computer, so computers aren't common technology anymore). After a few [[strike:hundred]] thousand years the whole current cast (except Mukuru) can be ancestor of the people in Mikuru's time. And for that Haruhi's child and Kyon's child don't even have to be the same person.

[[WMG:Mikuru is close to thirty-five years old.]]
Adult Mikuru is around a hundred.
[[WMG:Mikuru is, in fact, merely acting weak and helpless in order to get Kyon on her side.]]
Itsuki explicitly theorizes this at one point. Kyon may not have actual god-like powers on his own, but he may have another, more subtle power which allows him to not only encounter plenty of other Haruhi-esque god-like beings, but also to influence them in a decisive manner. Mikuru is thus able to control the one who controls the gods. This, admittedly, relies a lot on [[Main.XanatosRoulette random chance]].
* Or perhaps Mikuru really is that helpless, but she was selected by her superiors for those qualities, in order to appeal to Kyon for much the same reasons.
* At one point Koizumi outright tells this to Kyon (Near the end of book 2) "Her role is to ensnare you. That's why she looks like that, and that's why she acts like that: a cute, weak-willed girl, the type you'd probably like. You are the only one who can make Haruhi do anything to any degree at all, thus, the best move for her is to entrap you."
* This troper finds it deeply suspicious that although Itsuki has promised that he would [[spoiler:betray the organisation for the SOS-Brigade and Yuki has shown she'd betray the IDE, Mikuru has made no such promise.]]
** Except that [[spoiler:she did a similar (albeit sightly different) promise to Kyon: that when the time comes she ''will be the one saving Kyon-kun''. A priomise he knows Mikuru will fulfill.]]
* This troper thinks that everyone in the SOS is playing at something similar and will eventually betray Kyon somehow. [[spoiler: I mean, if Yuki and Koizumi are seemingly willing to betray their own superiors for the SOS, what's saying that the vice-versa can't be true?)]]
* Possible support for this theory: In book 2 Kyon said that Mikuru would make a better fairy than a Time Traveler. Faeires, aka TheFairFolk, have been known for using their beauty to lure knights into a forest to their death. {{Foreshadowing}} much?

[[WMG:Mikuru's spaciness is because of her memory intentionally being "[[QuantumLeap swiss-cheesed]]" to prevent paradox.]] She's the tool of the Future to change the Past. Having her memory change with each change would cause undue stress, so she's intentionally "dumbed down." Note her future self, who is also her Superior, doesn't have this problem in the slightest.
* Which would reinforce the "Mikuru is Kyon's sister" theory. If she remembered her childhood, she'd give a lot of hints about her identity, and it wouldn't be good for her mission. That Elementary School boy they saved was, in fact, Fujiwara.
* Jossed. She admits to being conditioned to the point that she physically couldn't say anything she's not supposed to, but at least once in the novels some information gets declassified; Mikuru is actually surprised she can answer the question, but she clearly knew it all along. Also, Future Mikuru comments on how disturbing it is to go back to the past and see all the little differences from how she remembered it; apparently, the entire organisation has Main/RippleEffectProofMemory.

[[WMG:Mikuru isn't really as innocent as she seems.]]
Think about it. Nobody can possibly be ''that'' shy involuntarily. This is supported by Adult Mikuru's feelings of nostalgia at the costumes into which she was forced; wouldn't she normally be terrified?
* Someone who ''is'' normally that shy would like to dispute this. And nostalgia can cover up a ''lot''. It's perfectly plausible that with a few years of experience, looking back on something that was unpleasant at the time could at least be looked on passively or with humor (as Mikuru seems to). Note that this doesn't contradict the letter of the guess, just the reasoning.
* Someone who says "You are not cleared for that" that often can't possibly be innocent...
** It doesn't help that her superiors apparently have her head wired so that they can edit what she can and can't reveal in real time. At least once she was surprised to discover just where the "classified" line was and that it had been moved when she wasn't looking.
* Also, the only outfit she seemed to have significant issues with was the bunny costume. She seemed to enjoy the others, at least when Haruhi wasn't excitedly "helping" her to change outfits.
* Alternatively, young Mikuru is good, not knowing what her superior's AKA her Older Self's plans are, and is just an unwitting pawn. Or, alternatively, they're not really the same but clones of the same person (which would make sense, from a crapsack future, cyperpunk kind of view).

[[WMG:Asahina (Big) is actually from the same time period as Asahina (Small) because Asahina (Small) decided to stay in the past with the SOS Brigade and thus took [[Main/TheSlowPath The Long Way]] back to her time period.]]
Think about it... The future inventor of time travel lives near Haruhi, and would likely know who Asahina is. He will likely ask Asahina in the future to help him form the time travel agency, and Asahina will arrange her younger self to be recruited and send her back in time to join the SOS Brigade.

[[WMG: Mikuru is in love with Haruhi]]
Alas, Kyon's love is to forever go unrequited. Miss Asahina (big) didn't refuse Kyon's kiss because she didn't want to endanger the universe by way of Haruhi's jealousy. It's because she's [[LipstickLesbian just not into that]]. Apparently, all those "cosplay sessions" had an [[RapeIsLove effect]] on her. The penultimate proof is in the above reference to Snow Mountain Syndrome, in which all the other characters have the [[{{doppelganger}} objects of their affection]] show up in their rooms to seduce them, while Haruhi shows up in Mikuru's room.
* Or Mikuru isn't dumb enough to say it was Kyon and piss off Haruhi. Think what happened when they were just flirting a little too much for Haruhi's liking, now ramp that up a couple notches and probably cut Kyon out of restructuring the world this time. [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean Though it might be interesting as to what he'd have to do ''this'' time to get her to come back.]]
* Of course, that pokes a few holes in the puzzle involving the doppelgangers. If it was Kyon that Mikuru saw, then the solution used flat out wouldn't have worked.
* Alternately, Mikuru has always been a lesbian, and Haruhi's actions had no effect on her. Consider that Mikuru only joins the Brigade, in the anime at least, after she notices Yuki, the only girl currently in the Brigade except for Haruhi.

[[WMG: Asahina is Drugging Kyon]]
Kyon is constantly gushing over how everything she makes tastes divine, however, in several places (At the pool, etc) he mentions that he can't actually taste the food, but finds it divine regardless. This is because Mikuru is lacing his portions with LSD. She knows which ones Kyon will choose because Big Mikuru gave her a list. This is why Kyon's such an unreliable narrator, he honestly can't tell between what he's thinking and what he's saying, or even if he said anything at all. this is all a ploy to prevent him from realising his status as mentioned in any given WMG above.
* Interestingly, He Kyon didn't become such an unreliable narrator until after the first book, that is to say, until after he'd been eating Mikuru's food for some time. (Although it might just be an error with the translation ThisTroper read)

[[WMG: Future Mikuru is not current Mikuru.]]
In the anime, anyway, do we have any proof that she isn't just a body duplicate? They could have gotten hold of Mikuru's body (alive, on their side, both, or neither) and copied it, then gave future Mikuru everything they knew about the original Mikuru's time with Kyon. (For that matter, the original Mikuru may not be any more of a "real" human than future Mikuru, or even Yuki and Asakura.) She just picked something at random about herself that seemed sufficiently intimate. If Kyon had already seen the mole, it would "prove" it was her. If he hadn't, he would be curious enough to ask Mikuru about it, future Mikuru having successfully TrickedOutTime.
* Or perhaps she's an ''alternate'' future Mikuru. She does mention that Kyon will have to make "The Decision that determines everything" soon.

[[WMG:Mikuru's entire "organization" actually consists of herself]]
...from various times. This is the real reason she keeps so secretive about her party (unlike Itsuki and Nagato): not to prevent some kind of paradox or anything but to prevent everyone from discovering the fact that she is the only human time-traveler in the past and future.
* [[spoiler:While it's technically possible for Mikuru to be the only one in her own organization, it's impossible for her to be the only time traveler, what with her enemy Fujiwara.]]
* Or, she is her entire organization and doesn't know it. She doesn't know her superior is herself and all of her other memories are suppressed or "classified". For all we know older Mikuru could be running everything with just one time machine. We know that kid who invents time travel doesn't specifically work for her organization since other people have the technology, so Mikuru could have just picked it up at one point, possibly from her future self. And that's assuming the organization is a two-person group, and not hundreds of Mikurus running around.

[[WMG:Mikuru's storybook is a horrible portent of things to come.]]
Since Kyon and Nagato's stories were based on true events, there's no reason to think Mikuru's isn't either. Discounting the Snow White bits, Mikuru is telling the story of how Haruhi rose to take over the world. First she took control of Koizumi (the Tactician) group's resources. Then, with her the Seven Dwarves (her slowly expanding SOS army) she swarmed over the planet, achieving victory in every battle. Eventually she took over the world and retired somewhere with Kyon, leaving the planet in Koizumi's hands. Mikuru knows all of this, because it is mandatory in the SOS Brigade schools that run all education on the planet.

[[WMG: The only "proof" Mikuru has as to what she needs to do and her importance in the series is her own word, based on her own word, based on her own word...]]
If Mikuru hadn't been here, everything would have turned out fine, though Tsuruya joining the Haruhi-tachi earlier would have resulted in more of a rough start to the SOS Brigade as she clashed with Haruhi. As it is, her presence settled before it even happened into a pattern that fed into itself to create a timeline where she would travel back in time to follow her own instructions. Yuki and Itsuki would have had the situation well in hand, along with Kyon, with all of the Mikuru-related things (including ''Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody'') having either happened in a much more subdued way, or not happened at all.

[[WMG: In Mikuru's time, human's don't live on Earth.]]
At some point, Earth will be rendered inhabitable. However, scientists saw it coming, and evacuated all humans to... Mars, or something, with enough supplies of oxygen, food and water to last several thousand years. This is why Mikuru doesn't seem to know anything about water whatsoever.
* And [[MahouSenseiNegima Chao Lingshen]] is her best friend or OddCouple roomate, who inexplicably used outdated spells based on [[LanguageOfMagic Latin]] instead of [[LanguageOfMagic Microsoft SQL]]? I want this to be true ''so'' much.

[[WMG: [[FourChan Anonymous]] is Mikuru's superior]]
That is why Mikuru won't reveal anything about her superior, and it is the reason why Mikuru is such a [[MsFanservice Fanservice Girl]].

[[WMG: Yuki and Itsuki are Mikuru' direct superiors.]]
Yuki and Itsuki are actually more authoritarian, and they know about Haruhi, so they implanted Mikuru in order to study moe's effect on a sociopathic Jerkass Physical God.

[[WMG:Tsuruya is Mikuru's direct superior.]]
If an organization of time travelers was willing to employ a 15-year-old girl, they'd probably have more than one. This explains why they're friends even though they're extremely different (particularly in outgoingness - Mikuru is very shy, while Tsuruya is the exact opposite), and also why Tsuruya seems to have had an idea of what was going on for a while. This particular WMG is inspired by a very short shot from the second season, with Tsuruya looking sinister in the shadows in the background while Mikuru tells Kyon that she doesn't agree with Itsuki's theories on Haruhi.
* Mikuru is 17 or 18. Probably. She's in her final year, anyway. The text for that scene in the novel also portrayed it a little differently: Tsuruya was treating it more like Mikuru was flirting/confessing and was merely a short distance out of hearing range rather than lurking.

[[WMG:Mikuru is Kyon and Haruhi's daughter]]
Time travel is never ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin, and Mikuru constantly gives mixed signals between her younger and adult selves. Young Mikuru is attracted to Kyon while Older Mikuru says she can't fall in love with him. It's a more extreme version of when a little girl says she wants to marry her daddy when she grows up, because due to time travel, Mikuru and her father are now the same age and he has all the qualities at this age that make him Mikuru's childhood fantasy. However, young Mikuru did this without telling her parents, thus explaining Older Mikuru appears briefly to tell Kyon exactly what he needs to hear in order to make him vaguely question if pursuing Mikuru is the right thing to do rather than acting on his Tsundere-ish relationship with Haruhi. The implication that Mikuru will have to leave him behind eventually is a pre-warning about the fact that eventually she'll go back to her own time, drifting out of Haruhi and Kyon's life as they get together. Eventually, when they have a red-headed baby girl, Haruhi will decide to name her after Mikuru after their childhood friend who moved away, and a few decades down the line, Kyon will finally noticed that Mikuru grew up to look like...Mikuru...and everyone will have quite the laugh over it all. Similarly, Haruhi's cosplay-rape tendencies that she honed on Mikuru will be repeated on her young daughter, then Haruhi sent Mikuru back in time, thus explaining why, despite her protests(because she's embarassed of being seen naked by a guy), Mikuru's pretty much used to it within an episode of her first appearance: she was raised that way.

[[WMG: Haruhi already knew Mikuru is her daughter from the future]]
And that is why she keeps manipulating Mikuru with almost absolute freedom. For the classified information thing...... it was only intended for other people besides Haruhi.
[[WMG: Kyon's sister is Mikuru's mom]]
At some point in the future when she's all done with high school, Kyon's sister will marry someone with the family name Asahina and together they will have a daughter that they will decide to name Mikuru.

[[WMG: Mikuru isn't Japanese.]]
She has red hair, and when looking at those yukata she said "So this is the traditional wardrobe of this country."
* She's a (human) Martian, see above.
** She's also able to read english well enough to aknowlage her name in english. (Meloncoly VI)

[[WMG: Mikuru is a Celestial]]
Itsuki and Kyon are the actual Time Travellers, and their "dimensional slider" abilities can also allow them to slide back and forth the timeline. The Celestials are in fact humans in the distant future, mutated by Haruhi's desire to express her anger. We all know how Haruhi expresses her anger: by raping Mikuru. (Yuki being a celestial is invalid since she isn't a result of Haruhi's angst). Celestials, being eldritch abominations who share Haruhi's ability of rewriting reality, can disguise themselves as being humans, and being the primal result of Haruhi's desire of being a dominatrix and having a ChewToy, time-travelled back to the past just to please Haruhi while disguising it as the order of a classified information superior, who is of course... Haruhi. Also, maybe the reason why Itsuki defeats Celestials and prevents them from escaping Closed Space is to keep the celestials from ever going back in time and induce a sense of superiority in Haruhi, which means more controllability for Itsuki and Kyon.
* Considering Celestials are the AU equivalents of {{Evangelion}} angels, maybe that's the reason why Mikuru stands out as the most beautiful of them all, being an angel....
* And Kyon is [[DoctorWho The Doctor]], being the actual Time Traveller with the name "John Smith".
* Wait... how come Mikuru and Itsuki get together well?
** She [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar got crap past the radar]]. Itsuki can fight celestials, but can't tell the difference between them and a human.

[[WMG: Mikuru is [[spoiler:[[TheMessiah Jesus]]]]]]
First, ''{{Haruhi-chan}}''. Second, there is the possibility that Mikuru is Kyon and Haruhi's daughter. For a more biblical explanation: Haruhi seems to represent Judaism and the Old Testament, with a long history of esoteric magic, melancholy, and manipulation of people. Kyon, on the other hand, represents the New Testament, the Roman Empire (he's the majority and was responsible for the spread of Haruhiism), and modern day Christianity (it's the current definition of "normal") with the universalization of old doctrines (Haruhi) and the spread to more "normal" people. However, it is Mikuru, not Kyon, is Jesus (Kyon might be God of the New Testament, but is not Jesus). With Haruhi as the past, Mikuru represents the future (she's a time traveller after all) of Haruhiism (Kyon). She also suffers for Haruhi's sins (which parallels Jesus suffering for the Jews / OT God's sins). Kyon, being the new testament / rome / apostles in general, also had the desire to save Mikuru / Jesus (take Pontius Pilate trying to save Jesus from the Jews for example), but can't because of Haruhiism / Judaism / OT God's will.
* Also, we (and otakuism in general) feel better when Haruhi abuses Mikuru. This means, Mikuru didn't just suffer for Haruhi and Kyon's sins, she suffers for the sins of the otaku community in general.
* Which means she is also [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Kamina]]'s relative, with HaruhiSuzumiya being the distant past of TTGL....
* Where does Yuki and Itsuki fit in?
** The angels! More specifically, Itsuki is the equivalent of Gabriel (Messenger) and Yuki (or IDE to be exact) is the equivalent of Michael (serving as the "army" of Haruhi, after all she leads the SOS Brigade to success after success).
*** So [[spoiler: [[EvilCounterpart Ryoko]]]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist is]] [[GoodIsNotNice Uriel]]? Where does Tsuruya fit into all this? She can't be [[TheBookOfMormon Jo]][[OneMarioLimit seph]] [[TheBookOfMormon Smith]], and I don't yet know enough about [[MemeticMutation LOLFANG-tan]]'s business with the SOS Brigade to pinpoint her place in this.
*** No need to specify, Yuki and Itsuki are the angels who preached the coming of the Trinity of Haruhi, Mikuru and Kyon. Nagaru Tanigawa in turn wrote the Bible.

[[WMG: Mikuru actually comes from a quite recent future.]]
Haruhi's powers will cause a kind of Technological Singularity only one generation in the future, which will turn the old technologies utterly obsolete in a matter of few years. Mikuru is in fact first generation to have never have had any contact with the "old" technology, and the sheer amount of new development has caused the mainstream culture to largely lose interest in the recent past, save for the vital time travel services to keep history under control, which is why she is so helpless with contemporary tech despite of essentially being a time agent intern.

[[WMG: Asahina Mikuru is more capable than she appears.]]
As far as her own time period is concerned. That she understands the mechanics of time travel enough to realize that Haruhi is the origin of the theory shows that she's not completely stupid. She's also able to completely grasp Nagato Yuki's technobabble with little effort, so long as it has something to do with spatial manipulation. Furthermore, we've never been shown anything in regards to her grades in school, so it's possible that she's much smarter than she appears. It's just that the vast majority of her knowledge is pretty much completely useless in the "present" time period (such as her lack of familiarity with modern technology), so she's effectively still more or less helpless either way. If there ever comes a time in which Asahina Mikuru is allowed to function in her native environment (i.e., the future from which she came), she may gain an astonishing level of competence for that duration.

[[WMG: Mikuru has a way of subconsciously influencing tropers.]]
This troper has seen at least three separate occurences of a recognizable section of her name being inserted into long words in ''Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu''-related subjects three separate times. Two is a coincidence, three is a pattern.
* I thought three was [[{{Goldfinger}} enemy action]].

[[WMG: Mikuru asked Kyon not to watch her the first time Haruhi started stripping her because she knew Kyon was unlikely to physically intervene.]]
Mikuru was given a briefing on Kyon's psychological profile before embarking on her mission, and she knew that Kyon had an extreme reluctance, at first, to actively forcing Haruhi to not do what she wished. Therefore, Mikuru believed that Kyon would try to talk Haruhi out of stripping her without actually restraining the girl, which would leave Kyon doing nothing to help Mikuru as she's being stripped right in front of him. Rather than suffer that embarrassment, Mikuru asked Kyon to leave rather than make an empty gesture. (Okay, said like that, it looks like option b, Mikuru is a spazz, is more likely. Or the even the somewhat unlikely option c, Mikuru is secretly letting herself be abused because she knowingly and deliberately accepted a mission to go back in time and become Haruhi's pet in the hope that she would gain some influence on the reality warper.)
* Wasn't his making a move towards them the thing that caused her to scream? In other words, wasn't Kyon already doing more than just telling Haruhi to stop?

[[WMG: Mikuru is from 200,005,600 years in the future.]]
Haruhi says to Kyon in Disappearance: "Come back in 200,005,600 years if you want to sneak a peek at Mikuru's underwear!" Things Haruhi say tend to turn out to be randomly true, and remember that Mikuru's not allowed to be in a relationship with people not from her time period, so presumably Haruhi is saying that if Kyon were to exist that many years into the future then he would be allowed to be in a relationship with her. It's likely that she's not from the near future, because apparently in her time period, boats don't use buoyancy to float, and that's not going to change for quite a while, so the number Haruhi gives is plausible. However, that brings up questions like "Has evolution stopped well enough that humans remain the same, even two million years into the future?" "Did human evolution stop when Haruhi eventually dies?" "What happens to Haruhi in the future?.

[[WMG:Mikuru is Kyon and Mikuru's daughter via TimeTravel.]]
Mikuru is Kyon's daughter and granddaughter and great-granddaughter...

[[/folder]]

[[folder:WMG Itsuki Koizumi]]
[[WMG: '''Itsuki''' is really God]]
This is mostly based on how the "Kyon is God" theory has the problem of Kyon not saying he is, while there are the many problems with accepting "Haruhi is God" that the "Kyon is God" theorists have highlighted. In this case, the entire situation would be conducted by Itsuki for his own amusement; he prefers to stay on the sidelines and watch the love story that he has constructed for himself unfold, and probably take a ThirdOptionLoveInterest for himself at the end. It is very likely that if this were true, Haruhi is in fact within the loop of aliens, time travelers, and espers and has been told that Kyon is God. The main problem with this theory is that it would lack the narrative coherence of Kyon or Haruhi being God.
* I'd have to say (in response to all the "X is a god" ideas really: Define the nature of god. We tend to assume that the god that one or other of the characters is is God in the abrahamic sense of the word, I.E an all powerful being, however there are many differant interpretations regarding the nature of "god" wherever you look. So who's to say that a being with the power to do some of the stuff that happens in the series is really a god?

[[WMG: The entire series is just a XanatosGambit on the part of Itsuki, who not only is aware of the Fourth Wall but is also the true "God" of the show.]]
Itsuki has long harbored a crush on Kyon; however, being aware of their existence as a fictional property, he knows that making the HoYay too obvious actually results in a ''lesser'' amount of fanwork. So he creates a cast to deflect most of the criticism from hetero guys with MoeMoe archetypes, while making the {{Tsundere}} female lead ''juuuuuuust'' unlikable enough so that [[YaoiFangirl anyone with yaoi tendencies]] will find her unsuited for Kyon. Thus, the amount of Itsuki/Kyon grows, encouraging the [[MostFanficWritersAreGirls production of more fanwork]], and allowing more hints to be dropped in the anime/novels/show itself, thus resulting in all those scenes where Itsuki gets to make Kyon uncomfortable. Supported by Itsuki's lame excuse that he's only doing it to ward off Haruhi's attention, as all the moments where he's [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean expressing his fondness for Kyon]] take place away from Haruhi's eyes.
* ... this makes too much sense to me. [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife Oh]] [[strike:God]] [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife Haruhi.]]

[[WMG:Alternate alternative: Itsuki is the slider, and Kyon is the esper]]
Itsuki has dimension jumping powers. In fact, his power to identify Haruhi's emotions could easily be related to the ability to see into Closed Space, and he could transform by moving himself slightly "out of phase" with the dimension he's in. Thus, ''all of Itsuki's powers are related to alternate dimensions'' and "esper" was just the label Kyon attached to him. Slider would be a better description of his powers.

[[WMG: Espers are ''lying'' about only having active powers in Closed Space]]
Which could explain the above non-Haruhi instances, this would also mean that Kyon's supposedly Main/{{muggle}} friends are Espers. He ''does'' ask one if they're "special" and gets a laughing response that he's been infected by Haruhi. What Kyon doesn't get is a direct answer.
* They don't have to be Itsuki's brand of espers. They could have some other sort of ESP, even unknowingly. Like Nakagawa (below).
* How was Itsuki and his organization able to investigate Kyon and determine that he was completely ordinary? Turning into balls of light inside a closed space doesn't really lend itself easily to that sort of thing...
** Itsuki (or ''someone'' in his organization) was also able to perceive something about Nakagawa's power—that Nakagawa had it, if nothing else. Nakagawa was the kid who was unknowingly able to catch glimpses of the Integrated Data Entity through Nagato, something that Itsuki presumably cannot. With regards to the kid, Itsuki says, "To be honest, you sure do have a lot of extraordinary friends." Now how many friends does Kyon really have?

[[WMG: Itsuki is being AmbiguouslyGay in the way he is as two different backup plans.]]
Plan 1: In the event that Haruhi is a YaoiFangirl: Get Kyon used to the idea of being with Itsuki, to keep Haruhi entertained if she gets bored with Mikuru. (This works if Itsuki really does like Kyon, because he can say it's not just because of Haruhi when and if they have to [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean placate]] [[YaoiFangirl her]].)
Plan 2: In the event that Haruhi wants Kyon: Back off and let her have him. If Haruhi doesn't think Itsuki's competition, he won't be eradicated.
Secondary reasons may also exist (regardless of attraction) depending on how much Itsuki really knows. For example, if Mikuru falls for Kyon (or Itsuki) and Haruhi has shown attention for him, they can pretend not to be interested in girls while Haruhi isn't there without letting Mikuru know about Itsuki or Haruhi's powers. Related, if Kyon gets caught "flirting" with Mikuru like in the anachronic finale, he and Itsuki can improvise the same thing without making Itsiki's cues obvious to Haruhi, and later add [[IfItsYouItsOkay If It's Haruhi It's Okay]] to Kyon's act if she is being posessive of him and not of Mikuru.
* however he could be doing this since haruhi thinks of him as gay, and he may love her, which would explains why he's always trying to please her

[[WMG: [[SecretRelationship Itsuki really does have a girlfriend/boyfriend.]]]]
In volume 9 Kyon asks if Itsuki has one. Itsuki [[HesitationEqualsDishonesty "gives a bitter smile".]] Kyon goes on to think, "Even if this guy has a [[ImpliedLoveInterest girlfriend]] behind my back, it wouldn't be surprising at all".
In volume 4 Haruhi asks, "Koizumi, are you going to be on a date with your girlfriend?" to which the guy in question denies. The guess here is that he places the activities of the SOS Brigade and the Organization [[MarriedToTheJob above a relationship]]; however, having a relationship in high school fulfills part of his "want to become someone who appears to be a normal high school student." It either might be a sincere relationship or [[ShallowLoveInterest superficial]] (think: ''appears to be'').

[[WMG: Itsuki Koizumi is the son of Japan's former Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi]]

And Itsuki's hair will grow to be as grand as Junichiro's.
* Jossed, Itsuki's family name is written with the kanji 古泉 (old spring), the ex-Prime Minister's with 小泉 (small spring).

[[WMG:Itsuki's GratuitousEnglish line in "Endless Eight"...]]
Will be translated into Japanese in the dub. The dub writer will do the same thing he did with the "Naze? Why?" scene and make JohnnyYongBosch say "[[spoiler:Aishiteru]]" instead of "[[spoiler:AI LAAV YUU]]".
* Personally, ThisTroper thinks it'd be funnier if it was translated as "[[spoiler: Je t'aime]]"...
* And this one thinks if would be funnier still if it was changed to "Voulez-vous coucher avec moi ce soir?"
* '''Jossed.''' He simply puts an emphasis on "I love you".
[[WMG: Itsuki is the BigBad.]]
He is, in fact, the LEADER of TheOrganization. As far as we seen, he tends to be.....unreliable when it comes to talking. Maybe he wants to get rid of/hijack Haruhi's power. Or maybe he's just there for some lulz, sort of like [[{{Bleach}} Gin Ichimaru]].
[[WMG: Itsuki is wrong: Haruhi wouldn't magically retcon him into being gay for Kyon... because ''she already did.'']]
As noted by many a fan, the majority of Itsuki's AmbiguouslyGay behavior occurs when Haruhi isn't looking - just like all the supernatural occurrences. The one time when Itsuki admitted having a straight crush on Haruhi? In Yuki's retconned world where Haruhi had no reality-warping powers. Whether Itsuki isn't aware of this or does but is simply too embarrassed to admit it is still up in the air.
* Is the above troper talking about the line "Don't you think it's about time that I take off this [[BeneathTheMask harmless looking mask]] and change this image that I don't [[AmnesiacDissonance even know when I created it for myself]]?" or "My present image fits perfectly with how Suzumiya-san would imagine me to be"?
* In either case this WMG means that Itsuki didn't have a choice in becoming gay; [[FridgeLogic he was forced to.]] (Homosexuality linked to DNA excluded here.)
[[WMG: Itsuki is an ArtificialHuman created by the organization.]]
* It came to me when he mentioned Omphalos Theory (he's a freshly created ArtificialHuman with all those FakeMemories planted in his brain) and said that his real personality is less than pleasant (he doesn't have a real one); it always felt as something of a {{Foreshadowing}} to me. So maybe how he told Kyon in sixth novel that he will [[spoiler:betray the Organization for one and one time only]] to help Kyon is the former going through similar characterization of Yuki.


[[WMG: Itsuki is constantly testing Kyon by....]]
...playing the board games. Those games he plays with Kyon are actually something of a disguised aptitude test, trying to investigate him further.

[[WMG: Itsuki did not exist three (or four) years ago and is not aware of the fact.]]
He hints that he is interested in time traveling, even if he "can’t see the past me". The reason Mikuru won't let him tag along (in addition to (1) Kyon finding him annoying and (2) a third traveler being completely pointless) is that as a time traveler, she knows that he doesn't exist. To reveal that wouldn't be good. The only grounds for this is that in all the time traveling arcs, we see past Yuki and past Haruhi. The only one we did not see is past Itsuki.

[[WMG: Itsuki is a {{Troll}}.]]
* Doesn't it make sense?

[[/folder]]

[[folder:WMG Tsuruya]]
[[WMG:Tsuruya is a different "Writer God", who doesn't interfere with Kyon and Haruhi.]]
In the novels, Itsuki comments that she's very mysterious; it's possible she's running around having her own adventures with fantastic beings different, separate from the groups that Kyon is involved in. She herself comments that she's a "Cameo Appearance" in the movie that Kyon and Haruhi made; all of the elements within turned out to be real in a fashion. In the novels, she has joked that the Main/{{Masquerade}} that Kyon's explanations provide isn't particularly effective, but also, that she's not going to get involved besides being a very amused spectator. Kyon never acknowledges her saying this.
* It would seem Tsuruya's adventures (based on an off-hand comment) involve Espers, Aliens, and Main/{{Precursors}} with super-advanced technology. She "shares" the Aliens and Espers with Haruhi. Note the interesting discrepancy, in the Kyon/Haruhi verse, the Precursor Technology concept would completely conflict with their current "definitions." Therefore, she avoids direct interaction in order to prevent an Main/ArmedWithCanon situation (between ''gods'') that could damage reality. Kyon's willful rebellion to the Time Travellers in unearthing the Out Of Place Artifact could have significant results metaphysically.
* Alternatively, Tsuruya is in fact [[spoiler:part of the anti-SOS brigade as the EvilCounterpart to Kyon. Note the goal of Fujiwara, the Counterpart to the time travelling Mikuru, is to make time travel impossible, and as a character, he shows utter contempt for all aspects of it.]] Sounds like a character created specifically with ArmedWithCanon in mind, don't it?

[[WMG: Tsuruya is a MadScientist, or at least the daughter of one.]]
Well, we already have a regular powerless character. Mad scientists tend to maniacally laugh at any time, and also Tsuruya has a connection with Asahina. While it's probably true that she's not from Mikuru's time (She said so herself, although she might be lying) her tendencies could have attracted her to Mikuru. Plus, Time Travelers and Espers in this show are not super obvious, so why would Mad Scientists be any different?
* Plus, she's got a [[BigFancyHouse pretty big house]], so she's probably rich. Also, her family DOES have ties to the Organization, perhaps providing them with technological support. It would also explain the [[spoiler:buried futuristic stuff in the mountain]]
Or maybe...

[[WMG: Tsuruya is a Vampire]]
And since she's immortal, Mikuru knew her in the future. [[OurVampiresAreDifferent That stuff about vampires dying in the sun is crap anyway.]]
* And after all, she appears to be undead in the movie. If the cat can talk because of Haruhi, then how do we know Tsuruya, Taniguchi and/or Kinikida weren't changed also?
** [[CuteLittleFangs And the obvious quality...]]

[[WMG:Tsuruya is a devil, or the Slider herself. Heck, she might be God!]]
It wouldn't make sense on how she is a normal person besides Kyon in the SOS Brigade. Also, she has alternate adventures of her own, indicating that she might know how to work on different dimensions, and maybe she's hiding her powers to not cause a dimensional collapse (or maybe she doesn't even know that she has such powers). She could be the devil that Haruhi searches for because her general appearance reminds of a demon girl, and just because she laughes too much at the most meaningless things, like a trickster devil. Maybe all the plot is a plan by her, to make people think that ''Haruhi'' is God.
[[WMG: There are no sliders because Kyon hasn't met them yet]]
Specifically, because he hadn't met them yet in book two, when he went back in time.
While talking to Haruhi, she asks if he thinks Aliens, Time Travelers, and ESPers exist, and he says yes to each. She then asks about Sliders, and he replies "I haven't met any yet". Since this was more or less the point when Haruhi recreated the universe, there being no sliders is actually part of a StableTimeLoop in itself.
For a slider to come into existence, Haruhi will need to recreate the whole universe again, or at least create a separate universe that they can slide from

[[WMG: Tsuruya is immune to all forms of mind control]]
The characters in the "Adventures of Mikuru Asahina" are all similar to their actors. When Yuki brainwashes Tsuruya and the other two, Tsuruya's dialogue clearly shows that she is only pretending the be controlled and thus the real Tsuruya must be immune to mind control.

[[WMG: ''Tsuruya'' is God]]
And she has put Haruhi in control for the lulz. It worked.

[[WMG: Tsuruya is completely normal]]
...and created by Haruhi, most likely subconsciously. She was given all sorts of odd qualities and has an unusual sense about her to make Kyon wonder about her. Tsuruya was made to be the mystery that no one could solve.

[[WMG: Tsuruya is a time traveler.]]
And also, one of Mikuru's superiors. As shown in The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya, or the anime at least, Tsuruya shares the same ignorance towards modern technology ("Is this what video cameras are like there days?"). Also, in the novels, Tsuruya knows quite a bit more about the SOS Brigade than it appears.

[[WMG: Tsuruya is [[OlderThanTheyLook older than she might look.]]]]
Taking in consideration the example above ("Is this what video cameras are like these days?"), Tsuruya could actually not been from the future, but, in reality, she could not have updated herself technologically-wise, and may still be in an 80's mindset. If she's 40, [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld 400, or 4000 years old]], it's up to the reader. The reason could be either because she's a demon, or because she's plainly an [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots extremely advanced robot]], like [[GhostSweeperMikami Maria]].
* This fits in nicely with the above Vampire WMG.

[[WMG:Tsuruya is the slider]]
Because someone has to be, and we all know that Tsuruya is hiding some sort of secret.

[[WMG: Tsuruya has a physically identical twin.]]
Haruhi knows that every show will at some point have a reason for twins and as such made the universe prepared, with an identical copy of Tsuruya who acts far more mature than her sibling. Because everyone's on a LastNameBasis with Tsuruya, no-one can tell the difference until they're both in one place. Since Kyon's only had one serious discussion with Tsuruya, he's only met the serious twin once.
** Now I have this mental image of Tsuruya as [[{{Warhammer40000}} Alpharius]]

[[WMG: Tsuruya is a [[spoiler: Yakuza Heiress.]]]]
[[KyonBigDamnHero How has this not been suggested yet?]]

[[WMG: Tsuruya is like Kyon, whatever he is.]]
Technically this needn't disprove her being a Slider. Kyon's "slid" enough through dimensions despite seeming to be the normal one of the SoS Brigade. Technically, all of those times were effectively against his will originally.

Tsuruya is mysterious and has her own goals and background. She apparently knows enough to repeatedly as of volume 7 to tell Kyon "We're the same thing. Not like them". Borrowing from above, Tsuruya in the movie states she is only pretending to he mind controlled. What character has been practically immune to every dimension rewrite or noticed odd things? Kyon. Tsuruya's role balloons greatly in the same novel we are introduced to the anti-Mikuru, anti-Koizumi and the story after we see the first hints of the anti-Nagato.

This doesn't mean she is the Anti-SoS Kyon. She could be a rival Writer God to Kyon's True God WMG. If Kyon is a reality anchor, Tsuruya could be another who is aware enough of her nature to attempt to remain untethered to Haruhi.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:WMG other characters]]

[[WMG: EveryoneIsRelated]]
* It's been pointed out on this page that Kyon's sister looks a lot like Mikuru, but on the [[Characters/HaruhiSuzumiya character page]], it's pointed out that she also looks a lot like ''Haruhi''. Kyon and Itsuki also look like they could be related. Also, [[HandsOffParenting parents are largely absent in this show]], and while Kyon's mother occasionally gets mentioned in the novels, his father is completely absent. This is because, due to TimeTravel, Kyon is the father (or possibly grandfather in Mikuru's case) of every member of the SOS Brigade except for Yuki. [[MyOwnGrampa Yes, including himself; Mikuru being his granddaughter is based on the idea that she's Imouto-chan's daughter.]]

[[WMG: Every single person in Haruhi's class, except for Kyon, is an alien, time traveller, slider or esper.]]
They introduced themselves as such, but Haruhi wasn't listening, per previous guess. When she called out for paranormals afterwards, everybody was offended that she'd previously ignored them and didn't respond to said call.

[[WMG: None of the characters are a physical god.]]

Instead, the non-physical god is following Haruhi around to help her get over her issues. It's trying to set her up with Kyon because it thinks that will help her, and because she likes him.

[[WMG: Sakanaka is the true god of the series.]]
Simply because nobody would suspect such a minor character as being god.

[[WMG:The Alpha/Beta parts of Volume 9 are the result of Kuyou Main/SaveScumming]]
The key bits of evidence that supports this theory both come from Snow Mountain Syndrome. First, [[spoiler:Kuyou (and/or the Sky Canopy Domain), as it has been revealed, is responsible for the whole shabang.]] Second, [[spoiler:in both situations, Nagato becomes weakened and Kyon considers momentarily to use his [[TrustPassword trump card]] should it come down to it.]]

That said, recall, if you will, Koizumi's hypothesis in Snow Mountain Syndrome that the SOS Brigade members in the mansion are duplicates of the real SOS Brigade, akin to a save file on a game, and that the perpetrator of the scenario was likely to have been intending to provoke Haruhi. Therefore, Kukyou [[spoiler:and/or the Canopy Domain (hitherto only referred as "Kuyou" alone) is attempting this tactic again, this time in the real world so the SOS Brigade would be convinced that this "save" is the reality, as opposed to the "Main/ControllableHelplessness" of the mansion, dismissing the possiblity of "escape". The "save point" is right when Kyon picks up the phone (since that's where the split occurs). The α save is the default reality, while the ß save is the alternate created by Kuyou, and it's no holds barred: disabling Nagato, the Anti-SOS meeting Kyon, etc. When Kuyou grabbed Kimidori's arm, she was disconnecting Kimidori from the Data Integrated Thought Entity and weakening her like she did with Nagato (it would be counterintuitive to have an active IDTE Interface in the ß save). Additionally, girl that catches Kyon's interest in the α save is the Slider, in the dimensional and spatial sense; in other words, not only can she slide between dimensions, but she can slide through space (hence how she entered the Clubroom; she's the mysterious twelfth first-year); she'll join as the Main/SixthRanger.]]

What'll happen in the tenth novel with this in mind is still up in the air, but odds are that [[spoiler:the Slider will use her powers to connect a link between the α and β saves to stop Kuyou, though from what the Slider tells Kyon on the phone, she is a duplicate created by the IDTE (or perhaps herself) that was sent back in time after the fact, because otherwise she'd end up dead in creating the α/β link.]]

And actually, typing this gave me ''another'' Main/EpilepticTree to add...

* Hm. Makes more sense, in some ways, than the Kyon-is-the-slider theory.

[[WMG: [[spoiler:Kuyou is in love with Kyon and didn´t want to attack him in the first chapter of vol. 10.]]]]

[[spoiler:However, considering she doesn´t really get the difference between "alive" and "dead" and Kyon find her just HighOctaneNightmareFuel, it still may be somewhat better Asakura appeared. Somewhat...]]

[[WMG:Kuyou is the "shadow girl"]]
Kuyou [[spoiler:was the one that "pushed" Kyon down the stairs in the alternate December 18th. She is hinted at being able to hide herself, explaining why Koizumi speculates that the "shadow girl" doesn't exist.]]

What's more, [[spoiler:the whole scenario in volume 4 was created by the Sky Canopy Domain: Over time, so Nagato doesn't notice, the SCD combines its power with the power Nagato gets from the IDTE, which is why Nagato seems to appear "less alien", and the result is that the SCD is discretely in control of Nagato (she thought she was acting on her own), and the resultant combined powers exceed Haruhi's, being self-aware and nigh omniscient. On the morning of December 18th, SCD Nagato creates a new save point, resulting in the alternate dimension (whether the escape program was made under the SCD's design is anyone's guess at this point, but it was probably normal Nagato's creation). When the gun was fired at the alternate Nagato, it negated the alternate world and drove the SCD out of her, but by that point the SCD had enough data from Nagato to create their own interface, thus resulting in Kuyou.]]

Which brings us back to the "shadow girl". [[spoiler:The SCD still had the save point, so Kuyou transferred Kyon's mind back into the alternate world (while erasing what he already had of December eighteenth), and that caused Kyon's empty husk to collapse.]] By that time, Nagato was starting to suspect [[spoiler:the Sky Canopy Domain]].

[[WMG: The _______ Syndrome sequences, and Kuyou, the slider(?), the unidentified shadow person, have/has (pick and choose as makes sense to you) something to do with Little Sister.]]
Book: Remote Island Syndrome: Imouto stays home, no shadow. Haruhi makes everything real [[spoiler: [[OrIsIt Or does she]]?]][[hottip:?: [[OrIsIt Or doesn't she]]?]] \\
Anime: Remote Island Syndrome: Imouto convinces the club to let her along. Shadowy person appears in the storm, but escapes from what seemed to be a dead end before an identification could be made.\\
Book: Snow Mountain Syndrome: Imouto stows away until it's too late to send her back home. Shadowy person almost knocks Kyon down, is gone by the time Kyon regains his faculties.\\
Anime: Snow Mountain Syndrome: ???\\
My guess is that Kyon and Little Sister retain their link to the old world, their old place, place of origin, whatever you may call it, or are amongst the few beings that, for one reason or another, Haruhi doesn;t affect in the same way as everything else. The thing that makes it so Kyon is the rock Haruhi can't lift, because he's from outside her jurisdiction, or the wrong format, or whatever. This is the connection that allows the shadowy person (probably an interface of an alternate IDE, likely connected to or the same character as Kuyou) to exist, as Haruhi's enthusiasm for closed-circle mysteries and the presence of at least two of whatever-or-from-wherever-Kyon-is are among the minimum requirements to effect such a situation. Kuyou's strongly implied abilities beyond what has been confirmed would provide another link between her and the shadowy-yet(-[[WeirdnessCensor incredibly]]?)-unremarkable person who was most likely the cause of the _____ Syndrome locked spaces, but it is not absolutely necessary.
[[OrIsIt Or is she?]] Perhaps at some point, Johnny finally gets tired of his wild imagination pulling him into crazy situations and bestows his powers on Kirsty, who being the [[IHaveManyNames identity challenged]] person she is warps both her and Johnny into completely new identities and forms, as well as a different island nation. Still a bit of a backwater though.

* The fact that the first book centered on data based aliens, the second on Johnny suddenly realizing he can see "post senior citizens" and ghosts, and the third deals with time travel may explain why the three major groups represented by the SOS are data based aliens, ESPers, and time travelers. The ESPers may have different powers because Kirsty wasn't directly involved with the second story and thus may have only gone with her own general idea of "psychic powers." It also fits that Kyon was originally intended to be the ESPer and Johnny was actually one.

Whether Mrs. Tachyon is a member of Asahina's group, their rivals, or is indeed Ms. Asahina herself from way, way, WAY further down the timeline is up in the air.

[[WMG:The shadow that Haruhi saw while on the island is somehow connected to Kyon's sister.]]
In the novels Kyon's sister doesn't go to the island, and the shadow doesn't appear.

[[WMG: The shadow on the island episode will return in a later series.]]
The anime series departs occasionally from the written form of the series, and they may have set it up as potential for padding in later series where they stole stuff to flesh out ''Melancholy'' to fourteen episodes.

[[WMG: Tanigawa Nagaru is actually an adherent of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordian Discordianism]] and the series is pretty much an [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mindfuck Operation Mindfuck]] pet project of his.]]
Just look at the intro description for Operation Mindfuck, it all fits! Also, the reason why the tenth novel is late is because Tanigawa Nagaru is [[{{Troll}} trolling]] everybody--all in the name of Operation Mindfuck! The Chao is strong in him indeed. Knowing all this, we can then be reasonably certain that the tenth novel will probably end with [[spoiler:five tons of flax]].

[[WMG:Asakura Ryoko was ordered to attack Kyon and fail.]]
Points to consider: A big part of this is the fact that she ''fails.'' Granted, she's not as powerful as Yuki, but the idea she couldn't kill Kyon, a confirmed {{Muggle}}, (probably) essentially instantly is a big of a stretch. Secondly, who saves him? Why, the nice alien girl who he didn't believe before. Suddenly, he now has proof she's an alien and will trust her. If Asakura had been ordered to do it, suddenly the IDE has an agent next to Kyon, who controls Haruhi. There was no way she could have gotten that close to him without said incident with her personality. Possibly, this is part of the reason she freaked out in the fourth novel. She didn't like deceiving Kyon in such a manner and tried to remake the world to them having a normal, friendly (possibly romantic) relationship without her bosses, to whom she has less loyalty [[CharacterDevelopment by this point]] than Kyon.

[[WMG: Ryoko was developing real emotions]]
Ryoko attacks Kyon because her priorities are different, not because she is emotionless. Like Yuki she can not change the expression on her face easily, so she is always smiling. Her song "Cool Edition" sends mixed signals with lines about how cold and emotionless she is, as well also saying how sad she is. She doesn't really seem to fear death because she doesn't really die.

[[WMG: Ryoko's song Koyubi de Gyu! is about Yuki and Her]]
As mentioned by me above If you read them only passingly you might think they where about Haruhi or just school life, but I was going over the lyrics and noticed something. This takes into account Ryoko is made to be more socialble then Yuki.
->''On the way home, would you like to drop by that shop?''
this suggests it's someone she would walk home with, note Haruhi never knew where Ryoko lived. Yuki lives in the same building as Ryoko they may have walked home together from time to time. Ryoko may have tried to convince her to go shopping with her.
->''You and I might be alike somehow''
Ok list three ways that Haruhi and her are alike that arn't stupidly obvious.
->''We can get a smile''
I think she's really just asking Yuki to smile for her. I think since her an Yuki where both the same thing she wanted Yuki to be her friend (and maybe more)this leads me to one final WMG. Also there are more reasons I believe this but I don't wanna list them here.
See http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/haruhi/koyubidegyu.html for the lyrics.

[[WMG: Ryoko had alternitive motives for attacking Kyon...jealousy]]
Ryoko noticed Yuki began acting diffrently after she went to the libary with Kyon. She realised Kyon had sparked some reaction in Yuki that she originally wanted to spark. This caused confict inside her, killing Kyon would effect Haruhi and effect Yuki so she decided to convince herself it was to make Haruhi react so she could kill Kyon without guilt as it was a mission she had to do.

[[WMG: Sasaki really does want power.]]
She's just as DangerouslyGenreSavvy as Haruhi, and knows that a RefusalOfTheCall will establish you as a humble and reasonable person from whom AGodAmI declaration would seem completely out of the question. Methinks she doth protest too much.

[[WMG:Sasaki is not Haruhi's Evil Analogue]]
She's playing Kyon to an unknown RealityWarper. Think of Day of Sagittarius; if the boss goes down, the whole side goes down, so you don't put the boss where the enemy can see them. Quite possibly, Sasaki has already played her "trump card", and so can set up situations more to her liking than Kyon can. Also, aside from Kuyoh, this would make Sasaki's team a gender flip of Haruhi's; maybe the Sudou supposed to be organising the middle school reunion is Evil Haruhi. The reason they need Kyon is to destabilise Haruhi enough that she can be taken out without her rewriting her own defeat.

[[WMG: [[AzumangaDaioh Sakaki]] is Sasaki.]]

[[WMG: Taniguchi and Kunikida will both be sliders]]
Well, they can't be ThoseTwoGuys forever, right? After all, '''[[NominalImportance they have names]]'''.
* Alternatively, only Taniguchi is special. He receives much more attention, even on the novels (before being dubbed by Shirashi Minoru). Also Yuki ''did'' describes him as a "interesting person". And whe she used similar word to describes Haruhi and herself she wasn't talking about '''[[ArtificialHuman the]]''' '''[[RealityWarper obvious]]'''.

[[WMG: Kunikida and/or Taniguchi are Espers employed by the Orginzation]]
Tanigawa's love of making background characters ChekhovsGunmen seems rather odd when ThoseTwoGuys are considered in. Taniguchi and Kunikida have only acted as moron and milquetoast, respectively, while many other characters have turned out to be more than they appear. Kunikida always has the same smarmy grin as Koizumi, so throw that in, if you want.
* I wholly agree, simply because it's hinted that Taniguchi WAS involved with Haruhi earlier, and he says that Koizumi makes him uncomfortable; not to mention that Kunikida has quite a few knowing looks or grins in the novel.
** Someone from the organisation had to keep an eye on Haruhi in middle school - a teacher could have done it, but a student could have gotten closer. Taniguchi did say he was in her class the whole time, and apparently tried to get close, so he fits. When they ended up in the same high school he was supposed to carry on as before, but overheard Harhui wanting a 'Mysterious Transfer Student', thus tipping off the organisation to send in Itsuki, who would be able to get into the club Haruhi had set up. Kunikida, who went to middle school with Kyon, is only really likely to be an esper if Kyon is a/the real god, unless he's one of Sasaki's espers, and couldn't go with her because she entered an all-girl's school.
However, the idea might just be the same as with the "Kyon as the real God/a slider" theory: it's much more fun if they're actually 100% human, because it's not what we're expecting - and it shows how special they are as characters that they can have even that much impact, and yet they're 100% ordinary humans (which is the case with almost NOBODY in the books, the only possible other exceptions being Tsuruya and Kyon's sister).
*** And those two exceptions are pretty iffy if you buy into the theories that Tsuruya is a Slider/Kyon's Sister is Mikuru.

[[WMG: Taniguchi is the devil and Kunikida is God and the entire series is the result of an Job type bet between them ]]
Taniguchi (the devil) bets Kunikida (God) that humans are selfish and evil creatures, Kunikida bets that humans are basically good and do care about other people. To see who is right Kunikida grants god-like reality warping power to the biggest jerkass Taniguchi can find (Haruhi) and Kunikida picks Kyon (the only one made immune to Haruhi's powers) as his champion to save Mikuru and the world from Haruhi, proving that there is at least one good person left in sodom.
*** Taniguchi being the devil would shine a whole new light on his spiel about how perhaps love is whats missing in his life, when he talks about the love taxi in the 2nd season "sigh" story arc.

[[WMG: Arakawa is [[LukeIamYourFather Taniguchi's Father]]]]
Hey, they look alike. Maybe Taniguchi's constant hitting on women is a side affect of a lack of a father figure. Alternatively, Arakawa was around to be a father to Taniguchi, but because he became an esper, [[LaserGuidedAmnesia He erased his son's memories and disappeared.]]
* Or Taniguchi really is apart of the Esper faction...
[[WMG: Mikuru isn't just a Time Lord she is [[{{Doctor Who}} The Doctor herself]]]]
He always said he wanted to be ginger ...

[[WMG: Kunikida will turn out to be a slider.]]
He's a named character, and in this show, that means he's important. If someone is a slider, I bet it's him, If only because he hasn't really done anything yet.

[[WMG: Kyon's little sister will turn out to be a slider.]]
I SMELL A PLOT TWIST!!

[[WMG: Taniguchi and Kunikida are (or will be) a stealth parody of {{Boys Love}} and yaoi in general]]

Taniguchi is taller, more outspoken, looks a lot older, flirts constantly, and tries to talk himself up (seme). Kunikida is child-like in appearence, shorter, quieter, and often follows (uke). Not to mention they're {{Those Two Guys}}, and [[HoYay look what happened to Rosencrantz and Guildenstern when they got their own backstory]].
[[WMG:Taniguchi is Nagaru Tanigawa's AuthorAvatar.]]
* A background character that hangs out with the protagonist that he doesn't want to make a PossessionSue? Yes. An entertaining Muggle? Check. '''Their last names contain the same character at the beginning?''' Check.
** Either that, or his avatar is Yuki '''Naga'''to.

[[WMG: All of the teachers are government plants.]]
The events surrounding Haruhi and the conspiracies which battle over her are too large to go unnoticed by people who's whole jobs are to anylize data for threats to the country they are from. It is highly likely that someone connected the dots and have already infiltrated the high school. As Haruhi gets older and more mature, she may find entertainment in government conspiracies as well.

[[WMG: The computer club president's name is phonetically similar to "Ya-* nyan* ".]]
It could be that he had an unusual name, say, surname Ya from chinese ancestry and personal name Nyan or (misread) ryan[sic] from a hebrew-speaking parent or parent who found western or mythological names interesting, or that his favorite snack was at one time [=YanYan=] (or someone called him that after an embarassing incident involving chocolate creme) and he would NeverLiveItDown.

[[WMG:The Anti-SOS Brigade are {{DesignatedVillain}}s.]]
Think about it; we don't really know much about them yet. Fujiwara is an asshole, but it seems to be a WellIntentionedExtremist. Kyoko seems to be a kind individual, and only commits evil deeds on orders from her morally ambiguous leaders. Kuyo seems entirely robotic, but it seems this is just because Sky Canopy Domain cannot comprehend a perfect ambassador to human thought processes.
* FINALLY, someone that comes to their aid! They're always inappropriately villainized in the community, when all the evidence points to them being Designated villains. It's clear that Kyoko is a caring person, who, like Fujiwara, believe they are doing the right thing. And Kuyoh... well, we don't know shit about her. In fact, Tanigawa probably doesn't either, considering how late the novels are...
[[/folder]]

[[folder:WMG Misc]]

[[WMG: The fakes in Snow Mountain Syndrome did not reflect who the dweller desired most, but rather the ones they feared the most]]
* think about it, mikuru is the one kyon knows least about. also kyon might fear that she's only using him. also the future mikuru told him to not get to close to her younger self, which may make kyon suspect that mikuru might be up to something bad.
* then haruhi finds kyon very mysterious which gives her an uncertainty and fear of him.
* Itsuki and yuki wonder if kyon's hiding something from them and maybe suspect that kyon might be using haruhi for his own nefarious purpose.
* you know why mikuru would fear haruhi

[[WMG: NeonGenesisEvangelion is a previous iteration of Haruhi's universe, and Asuka a previous incarnation of her]]
Haruhi developed an interest in mecha anime, conspiracy theories, esoteric mysticism, and psychology, and decided to create a universe based on them to entertain herself for a while. unfortunately, things went horribly wrong, and she decided to scrap that universe and create a somewhat nicer, more normal one to apologize to the people she made suffer, and surrounding herself with people she knew in that life: Kaworu as Itsuki, Shinji as Mikuru, Rei as guess fucking who, Misato as Tsuruya, ThoseTwoGuys as [[ThoseTwoGuys those two other guys]], and Gendo as Kyon, partly to punish him, but also to ensure he can use his bastardry to indirectly play God if need be. She's mostly happy now, but occasionally, her dreams are haunted by strange, destructive, incomprehensible giants wreaking havoc on the works of man...

[[WMG: There is another organization based on censoring all entertainment media.]]
They have to carefully screen out/ delete anything that their test audiences (who were carefully selected to be on a similar mental level) react too positively to, otherwise she'll change everything into what she's been watching. And this group fears the day that the SOS Brigade fails, Haruhi gets really depressed, and engrossed by [[NeonGenesisEvangelion a series that's too well known and too much of a marketing giant]] for the organization to {{RetGone}}

[[WMG: Haruhi takes place in the ShinMegamiTensei universe]]
If we take Kyon to be a MegaTen MC, then look at it. He can't use any supernatural abilities, but he has an uncanny knack for persuading various 'demons' to side with him. The Data entities can use digital machinations to interfere with reality, and probably could write a program that summoned demons. The presence of time travel was demonstrated in Raidou's games. The 'Espers' are likely Avatar Tuners, albeit ones that can only transform in innately unreal places. The factions are The Organization, the IDE, and Mikuru's employers on the Law side, and the SCD, future dissidents, and rogue espers are the Chaos sides. Kyon is currently on the nuetral path, and has actually persuaded the representatives of Law to side with him over their fellows. The Enclosed Spaces are miniature Vortex Worlds created by Haruhi, who somehow has YHVH's power to recreate the world. Also consider that Haruhi's agents within the enclosed spaces are what appear to be Gog Magog http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Gogmagog except with glowing red orbs...a sign of her control?



[[WMG: Nothing is real, with some exceptions.]]
Haruhi Suzumiya is not a reality warper in any way, shape or form. I postulate the following:
* Anything that Haruhi Suzumiya does not directly observe cannot be proven to have actually happened.
* The series (and this is important) is NARRATED by Kyon, but is OBSERVED from Haruhi's point of view.
Allow me to elaborate on that second point. This might get a bit complicated.
* Consider a list of everything that ever happens that is directly observed by Haruhi Suzumiya. This set of events we shall call S.
** 'Disappearance' Haruhi DOES NOT COUNT. S contains all events perceived by the ORIGINAL Haruhi Suzumiya.
* Consider the set of events that take place according to Kyon. Call this set of events set K.
* Now consider the set of events that occur in the story. Call this set of events set Z.
* K does not contain S, nor does S contain K. Certain events exist which were not observed by Haruhi Suzumiya but which exist in K (The Asakura fight, all of Disappearance). Likewise, certain events exist within S which do not exist within K (What Haruhi does when out of Kyon's line of sight, etc)
* All events contained within S are provably true, and cannot be disproven. Hence, all events within S did actually happen.
* Events that exist in K only happened if evidence for them exists within S.
* Because Kyon is narrating, all events within K exist within Z.
* In addition to this, SOME but not all of S exists within Z.
* Whenever K and S exist together, the events DESCRIBED but not the explanations given by K are true and actually did happen.
* HENCE: Wherever K exists without S, no evidence of those events exists within S in such a way that could not be explained without the need for supernatural phenomena.
Enough set theory for you? Me too. Let me try this again.
* Nothing that Haruhi Suzumiya perceives cannot be explained by the SOS Brigade being composed of normal, if slightly eccentric, students.
* All alleged supernatural phenomena occurs during 'gaps' in Haruhi Suzumiya's perception.
* The narration of the stories is ONE of a near-infinite number of possible ways these gaps COULD have been filled.
* In effect, the Narrator of the stories is NOT Kyon, but is in fact Haruhi Suzumiya's imagination, passively imagining exactly what goes on when she is not present.
* The Integrated Data Sentience Entity, time travelers, ESPers, et cetera, comprise Haruhi Suzumiya's "Alternative Explanation" for the events that she perceives.
* This alternative explanation is imagined such that it cannot be proved or disproved based on what Haruhi Suzumiya knows.
To sum up,
* Haruhi Suzumiya is not God, a Reality Warper, or anything even remotely supernatural. She's a hyperactive teenager with a barely-suppressed God complex, creating an elaborate fantasy world around the entirely mundane events of her life. The stories are narrated by her internalization of one of her friends.
* Who's really narrating?

[[WMG: The whole series is AllJustADream ]]
A girl dumped Kyon the day before. Now, he is having a nightmare of her. A pretty LONG nightmare.
* Makes sense to me. But [[ParanoiaFuel what's going to happen when he wakes up]]?

[[WMG:The entire series is in fact an interpretation of Gnosticism]]
Following the notion that the true God is not Haruhi, but actually Kyon, then Haruhi might as well be considered as the Demiurge, or inferior creator god. In Gnosticism the Demiurge is usually portrayed as malevolent, which would explain Haruhi's malevolent attitude towards members of the SOS Brigade, especially Mikuru....

[[WMG: The entire Haruhi-verse is nothing but a game]]
To be exact, a MMORPG kind of game. Yeah, like the (dot)hack universe. Kyon, Mukuru, Nagato, and Itsuki are players in said game, while Haruhi is just an AI. This explains why she gets little to none character development, it's because she's nothing but an NPC, controlled by the computer. It's also the source of her reality-warping powers. The reason why Kyon is always referred to as just 'Kyon' is because his in-game name is Kyon. 'ESPers', 'Aliens' and 'Timetravellers' are just types of characters, like 'Druids' and in a fantasy-setting RPG. Oooh, I feel a fanfic plotbunny coming on...

[[WMG: Haruhi is TV Tropes.]]
At some point,this website becomes a sentient entity.And its powered by the imagination of tropers.Face it,Haruhi is the poster girl for Wild Mass Guessing,and knows her tropes.Not to mention,it'd be AWESOME

[[WMG:The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya take place in The World of Darkness after The Time of Judgment. Haruhi is an Archmaster of Prime who retread to a pocket universe that she carved out of the UMBRA several centuries after the end of the Ascension War ]] Haruhi Suzumiya was originally a Japanese Hollow One with a knack for magic of The Prime Sphere. Who formed an eclectic Cabal while in high school. Consisting of a pair Of Sleepwalkers, Kyon and his little sister. A quite Virtual Adepts named Yuki Nagato. A positively adorable and seemingly incompetent Etherite from an alternate timeline,Mikuru Asahina. And a flamboyant Celestial Chorister, Itsuki Koizumi.

Haruhi named her cabal the S.O.S Brigade, and lead them on all manor of CONSENSUS shattering adventures. They took journeys deep into the UMBRA; and threw a concert in City of Concordia in HORIZON Chantry. They Crossed paths with all the other Denizens of The World of Darkness...and had fun with them!

[[WMG:Said three-years-ago occurrence is on July 7, 2007 (7/7/7).]]
A [[http://haruhiism.com/ video]] was released depicting some of the events of that chapter; the timestamp is explicitly "2007/7/7". This would make the main series take place in 2010.
* ''Confirmed'' in one of the books: in [[spoiler:Kyon's second trip to]] the three-years-ago date, he picks up a newspaper, and sees a date "which some would consider to be a lucky number."
** Not necessarily; many people consider 8 to be a lucky number, so the occurrenc being on 2008/08/08 would also make sense.
*** But both the 2007 and 2008 theories only makes sense if you retcon what Kyon states in the prologue of the first book. Kyon says that after Junior high nothing happenned in 1999? Wouldn't that make the three-years-ago occurrence 1996?
*** From what this troper remembers, he never states that 1999 was after junior high, or anything really related to that. It's at the very least implied that hanging around Sasaki made Kyon gradually give up on his hopes of meeting espers, time travellers, etc, but it's never really stated that he gave up on all that right before high school. He could just be saying that nothing happening in 1999 sped up the process of him ceasing to believe in all of that fantasy stuff.
*** This troper simply saw it as a moment of Kyon being the unreliable narrator. also he does say he gave up believing in sliders and whatnot after junior high Quote:After junior high, I completely grew out of that fantasy world and became utterly grounded in reality. Nothing happened in 1999, even though I kept hoping, just a bit, that something would.:End Quote.
**** Rather, he's obviously referencing [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem Y2K]]; simply stating that nothing happened as the year turned to 2000, as much as he hoped something would. If we assume Kyon was in fact a first year in high school on 07/07/2007, then, he was still in elementary during 1999-2000; hence this was before he became 'utterly grounded in reality'. Indeed, there is no indication that he was in middle-school as [=Y2K=] was scheduled to occur. Ultimately: Kyon's reference of 'nothing happening in 1999' does not even begin to provide us with an adequate timestamp for the series.
* Sorry, fellow tropers, but the first book states that the first day after golden week was a Wednesday. Being that the first day after golden week is May 6, the only occurrence of that in the last ten years is 2009, making the three years in the past 2006.
** However, as I recall a later book puts Valentine's Day on a Monday. Since that event is in the year after ''Melancholy'', if those events were in 2009 then the Valentine's Day story would take place in 2010. February 14th 2010 is a Sunday, which doesn't match, however February 14th 2011 is a Monday, which would set the start of the series in 2010 and 'Three Years Ago' in 2007. Given the 'lucky date' didn't come until later it's possible that it was Retconned in.
*** I stipulate that there is no day that fits. If February 14th was a Monday, then December 19th (Second day of missing Haruhi) would be a Sunday, meaning he would not go to school on that day. The going to school problem can only work for the years 2002, 2003 and 2008 as the year the story begins in. Of course, the real answer is [[RealityWarper Haruhi]] messed up the timeline to make her work timeless.

[[WMG:The entire show is a dramatisation of ''real events''.]]
The characters refer to real things frequently, and nobody on the show ever Main/{{Facefault}}ed. I mean ''ever''. Seriously, watch closely. Many of the episodes revolve around everyday activities like culture fests or lugging heaters around. If this is true, then it does of course mean that we'd all better pray Haruhi stays happy, or else it's curtains for us.
* And, given that the critical three-years-ago juncture happened on July 7, 2007, that means that ''the entire universe was just recently created!'' Deep, man. Deep.
** And going even further, if we disregard the security footage and consider that 8 is considered a lucky number for the Chinese, then that would place the three-years-ago juncture at 8/8/8 or thereabouts, which means that ''the universe doesn't even exist yet!'' Anything you see is therefore a figment of your non-existent imagination, or rather, what you think you're experiencing right now is nothing more than a [[FakeMemories false memory]] you'll be given once you start existing. Alternatively, the world is going to end in less than a year. Better get those long-term stocks unloaded, folks.
*** Less than a month, now. Dun-dun-dun!
**** Less than a ''week'' now.
***** Already happened. I really didn't notice it at all, so there you go.
*** Jossed by the fact that Three Years Ago (tm) was on Tanabata, which is 7 July.
**** [[Main/{{Serial Experiments Lain}} Present Day. :giggle: Present Time! Mwahahahahaha!"]] Oh wait, that's a different God.
*** Does this mean the {{Groundhog Day Loop}} will happen this summer?!
* If this is true, then the only logical conclusion would by that Kyon is actually [[spoiler:Tanigawa Nagaru]]. This could also explain why [[spoiler:Novel 10 is so late, maybe he is still waiting for these events to happen, or he could even be the slider and returned home without finishing it.]]
* What's even more interesting is that all the places mentioned/shown in the novels and anime are real. [[http://tanasinn.info/wiki/Stalking_Haruhi_Suzumiya Just check out these side-by-side comparisons.]] Both the high school that Kyon and Haruhi go to, as well as the town they live in actually exists and can be viewed from Google Earth and/or actually visited. It is therefore reasonable to assume that all the characters from the series are real people living there as we speak, or at the very least, they exist there in an equally real, alternate universe and may have visited ours on occasion.
* Well, major events of the story seem to be influenced by Tanigawa's own experiences; in junior high he had a friend who was intelligent, charismatic, and a natural leader. In high school he met an upperclassman who was the sole member of the literary club and helped her gain more members.

[[WMG: There ''was'' originally a death in the Island Mystery, but Haruhi/Kyon rewrote it so it became an elaborate "game" instead.]]
When they realized the full implications (namely, that [[spoiler: Kyon and Itsuki had accidentally killed the victim]]), they rewrote the entire scenario at that very spot, including the past leading up to it. This makes sense whether the one doing the reality-altering is Haruhi ([[spoiler: who is visibly shaken by her own deduction and refuses to say anything that would incriminate her friends--incidentally showing that she has had some Main/CharacterDevelopment as well]]) or Kyon ([[spoiler: who obviously doesn't want to be guilty of someone else's death, accidental or not]]).
* With the aid of [[UminekoNoNakuKoroNi Battler Ushiromiya]], who knows a thing or two about temperamental young women.
* Glad I'm not the only one who thought that was the implication.
** I assumed that was the whole point. Note how she wants an actual mystery on the trip, so whatever happened as a result would be real. It only becomes unreal when she realises that the murderers would be Kyon and Itsuki, and there being no mystery becomes more important than there being a mystery. My evidence? The visual references to Phoenix Wright during the revelation scene; that entire section is made up by Haruhi/Kyon and the visual reference comes from her expectation of what a revelation scene should look like.

[[WMG: In the previous iteration of the universe, [[http://everything2.com/e2node/The%2520world%2520was%2520designed%2520for%2520giant%2520squid octopi were the dominant species]]...]]
... however, octo-Haruhi frequented the molluscan version of the TV Tropes Wiki, and became entranced by the idea that [[Main/EverythingsBetterWithMonkeys Everything's Better With Monkeys]]. The rest followed naturally.
* Going by the same logic, the next iteration of the universe will be populated by [[Main/EverythingsBetterWithPenguins intelligent penguins]].
** Does that mean we're safe from a [[EverythingsWorseWithBears future run by intelligent bears?]]
** Well, at least we know why [[EverythingsEvenWorseWithSharks Everything's Even Worse With Sharks]].

[[WMG: The whole universe the series is set in is one big experimental scenario run by a wacky KingOfAllCosmos]]
Said KingOfAllCosmos is the creator of TheMultiverse and, bored with watching all of the other 'verses whose inhabitants are bound within whatever scientific laws hold true in their local universe, creates one (or possibly more) where several of its inhabitants are capable of [[RealityWarper manipulating its laws]] just to see what would happen. To tie in with an earlier WMG, Tsuruya is the avatar of the aforementioned KingOfAllCosmos who is watching everything unfold with great amusement.

[[WMG:The entire series is an ''Adventures of Mikuru Asahina'' SelfInsertFic. Haruhi is an original-character MarySue.]]
The author, American 7th-grader Harriet Sussmeyer, ships Itsuki with the canonically minor character Kyon (yet fails to come up with an actual name for him), refuses to believe Yuki is the villain, and has a Deviant Art account full of drawings of Mikuru in random costumes. Naturally, she's much better acquainted with the conventions of anime than with those of [[UsefulNotes/JapaneseCulture actual Japanese society]], on which she DidNotDoTheResearch.

[[WMG:The members of the SOS Brigade are overestimating the amount of danger Haruhi really represents if she discovers what she is.]]
Or worse, her not knowing is actually putting the universe at GREATER risk. Haruhi might certainly enjoy having the power, but the real threat of her overwriting the current universe is because she ''doesn't know to prevent it'' as things stand. If she became aware, [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold she might indulge in some godly mischief, but she wouldn't actually destroy anything.]]
* I find it difficult to refute this argument. Frankly, I'd rather have the local equivalent of God knowingly giving out PsychicPowers and bringing in the occasional alien invasion than accidentally ''unmaking the entire universe with a temper tantrum''.
* I agree. Consider that Haruhi is aware that GoodFeelsGood, demonstrably prefers a nice day hanging out with her friends to actually finding the supernatural stuff she claims to be hunting for, and can be relied upon not to wish people dead even when it would otherwise serve her desires perfectly. Most tellingly of all, Kyon would rather tell Haruhi everything than let Yuki be deleted. Either he has the worst case of AlwaysSaveTheGirl in history, or he -- the person who knows Haruhi best -- doesn't really expect the results of her finding out to be that bad.
* This makes perfect sense. Haruhi might be fuckle and egotistical, which may be considered good reasons to keep her godhood a secret, but she's never been actively malicious. She would almost certainly avoid intentionally harming anyone, though you could not absolutely guarantee the safety of anyone caught up in her games. So, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Nice job jeopardising the Universe, S.O.S. Brigade!]]

[[WMG:The Integrated Data Entity evolved from the different operating systems of our universe and manifested in the universe where the series is set.]]
This is why Yuki's [[RewritingReality reality hacking]] consists of sped-up and reversed SQL statements. The differing factions within the Integrated Data Entity are the manifestation of the diffrent operating systems(Microsoft Windows, Mac OS, Linux/{{UNIX}}, etc.) of our world. The Sky Canopy Domain, on the other hand, evolved from 4chan. Which is why Kuyou is a much more crude interface than Nagato, speaks in an apparently nonsensical manner, has a weak sense of individuality, and is utterly incapable of normal social interaction.
* So I guess Asakura is Vista, because she's complicated and occasionally glitches, Nagato is a Mac that's quiet and reliable. Dunno why Emiri would be a Linux, but I'll say she is to fit the theme.
** Emiri is Linux, because she's quiet, calm and controlled and has never glitched before.
** Then again, Nagato could be Windows 2000. She bears more than a passing resemblance to [[http://ostan-moyashi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ostan/img/2k1.jpg 2K-tan]]...

[[WMG: The Integrated Thought Entity will be destroyed]]
Through a series of deus ex machinas and gaping plot holes, Yuki will somehow become her own being, separate from the ITE, and reduce it to ash. A while after this is done, the ITE will become two separate beings, the [[Main/{{Futurama}} Galactic Entity, and the Brainspawn]].

[[WMG: The ITE is a [[{{CosmicHorror}} Lovecraftian Horror.]]]] Something I thought up on the fly, but I think it makes some sort of sense...It speaks a language not heard by human ears for example...
* This coincides with this troper's speculation that the ITE is a lloigor, or collection of lloigors from the ''{{Illuminatus}}''-trilogy.

[[WMG: The Sky Canopy Dominion intetionally designed Kuyou to be more primitive then the Data Intergrated Entity's interfaces.]]
The Sky Canopy Dominion is aware of Yuki's thwft of Hruhi's powers and the subsequent destruction of the Data Integrated Entity, fearing what would happen if it created a similar interface it chose to make one that was more primitive.


[[WMG: There is an Entity Interface that has joined the Agency, and possibly there are other intermixes in the three groups]]
In the episodes Remote Island Syndrome Part 1 and 2, [[spoiler:the Agency set up]] a murder mystery that involved a typhoon. Espers are mentioned as having only the ability to manipulate closed space. The Integrated Thought Entity has the ability to alter the weather. However, Nagato does not support doing so as it would cause strange weather patterns. So it would have to be some sort of other interface.

[[WMG:Data Entity Agents, Time Travellers, and Espers are all the same thing; their differences are cultural, with different priorities leading to different abilities.]]
Mikuru reveals that physical technology is abandoned for psychic tools in the future, much like how Agents access the Data Entity. The medium through which this is done is ESP. In the novels, one "half-Esper" accidentally partially hooks himself into the Integrated Data Entity, making him think he's in love with Nagato.
* Another example, during the scenario with the Data Parasites incident between the neighborhood dogs and his cat, Kyon muses to himself that if the Data Entity really wants to be able to experience humanity, they'd have to merge with humans. There is no such thing as idle speculation in this show.
** Another theory is that they are all actually the same faction but simply at different points in the time stream. The Organization will use its power and influence gradually steer events and become the Future Humans of Mikuru's home time and continue to develop until humanity itself evolves beyond time and space and becomes the Integrated Data Thought Entity.

[[WMG: Aliens and Time Travelers always existed Haruhi is simply responsible for attracting them to herself]]
Both Mikuru and Yuki give reasons why they are observing Haruhi, the inability to go back in time beyond a certain point and a burst of data with Haruhi at the epicenter, respectively. On the other hand Koizumi claims he instinctively knew about Haruhi and her powers indicating he is fundamentally different from Mikuru and Yuki.

[[WMG: Espers are a fail-safe built into Haruhi's powers and will exist no matter how normal anyone using her powers tries to make the world]]
Sasaki doesn't have any desire to change the world, but espers still came into to being when she had her powers. This would also mean that Yuki has espers although she may not be aware of this.
* Wasn't there a guy who was an Esper, but accidentally tapped into the ITE, thus making him mistake his vision of it as a love for Yuki, so Koizumi had to do 'something' and make him lose his powers or something?
** No, Yuki is the one who made that guy lose his powers.

[[WMG: Espers are ''supposed'' to be evil (including Itsuki, in his job as a combat esper at least).]]
Think about it from the point of view of Haruhi's subconscious. She/it just wants to remake to world, so it will be ''better'', but the espers are attacking and killing the beings who are remaking the universe for her, and obstructing progress. Her first opinion of the closed space giants is that they are cool, not that they are malevolent. This is further strengthened by Kyon's uncannily accurate narration at the beginning of the animated series: He keeps saying that he always believed in time travellers, aliens, espers, and evil organizations. The only recurring organization (aside from the Anti-SOS Brigade, as far as it can be called an organization) is Itsuko's mysterious and rarely explained Agency. (The first chapter of the Haruki Suzumiya project also has Kyonko wishing in the opening narration that she could "engage in psychic duels with evil espers".)
* Itsuki's gonna be the black sheep of this WMG. There's always one.
** Itsuki and the other espers probably don't even know they're supposed to be the antagonists; with a sort-of VillainProtagonist WellIntentionedExtremist in the form of Haruhi's subconscious (remember, her ideas don't really reflect reality, which is kind of the point. Though the Agency, including Itsuki or not, could still turn out to be outright evil).


[[WMG: The Espers are Anti-Heros and may even be considered heretics for it]]
They are fighting ''God'''s creation process and although Haruhi is a little wild she certainly isn't GodIsEvil. so it stands to reason that the ESPERS are the Defenders of Humanity who truely believe in what they are doing. They have no true proof they are in danger, but they can't risk it. Itsuki even suggests this in his songs to some degree.
* It's more like they're Haruhi's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego,_and_super-ego Super-Ego, the counter force to her Id.]]



[[WMG: The series will end with Haruhi's "Suicide"]]
Haruhi will realize her powers at some point and, in a bright moment, understand how she is the cause of all sufferings her friends, that she really cares about, have to endure. Therefor, she finds that the only solution for Kyon&Co's suffering is to erase herself out of existence.
Also, note how close the sound of "Suzumiya" is to "Suicide".
* So what would happen to Haruhi's powers if she erased herself would they also cease to exist or would they default back to either Yuki (since she was the previous holder) or Sasaki (since she was the original holder). Also, what would happen to the various things that were presumably created by Haruhi, for instance the Integrated Thought Entity.
** So... are you saying Haruhi is [[SerialExperimentsLain Lain]]? Because once you consider Lain's SplitPersonality, it actually makes a disturbing amount of sense.

[[WMG: The Closed Space at the end of the first novel/anime series was a suicide attempt.]]
Hand in hand with the previous WMG: After several years of trying and failing to find aliens, time travelers, sliders, and espers, or just find some generally interesting things, Haruhi's depression comes back in full force. She unconsciously pulls herself into Closed Space, where the Shinjin/Celestials will destroy her. Kyon comes along for whatever reason, possibly related to other [=WMGs=] (being the slider? not being affected by her powers?). When he kisses her, she both experiences an instant of pure happiness and thinks that maybe life is worth living after all, destroying the Closed Space.

[[WMG:The entire series is a series of self propagating stable time loops]]
the "time quakes" referred too by Mikuru are actually damage being done due to the existence of time loops. As attempts are made to "fix" the discrepancies between recorded history and what is observed in the past further time loops are established and more damage is caused, eventually causing the time stream to become so unstable that blatantly ''impossible'' things(Haruhi's power for instance) start happening, causing an even larger number of time loops to come into existence. The "first"(if the word first can really mean anything in this context) time loop was Mikuru telling Kyon about the mole. When she realized that he didn't know about it already she said "oh no! then this is before we..." and then cut herself off and started saying she made a mistake and telling him to forget it. A few scenes later he tells her younger self about it without ever finding out about it by... [[Main/IfYouKnowWhatIMean however she was thinking he found out.]] It is the only loop apparently created by accident and therefore must be the origin point. The final result will be the destruction of the universe or, alternately, a final overarching loop of Haruhi destroying the universe and rebooting it back to 7/7/07.

[[WMG: Mikuru, Koizumi, Nagato, Asakura, and so on were once ordinary students, until Haruhi/Kyon "rewrote" them.]]
Think about it, especially how normal Asakura seemed until the episode she went berserk. And why would the Time Agency (or whatever it's really called) send someone as frail as Mikuru on a mission of such importance anyway? Granted, Nagato was always weird, but if Kyon is the real God (see the first WMG on this page), then notice how Nagato was the ''first'' one to tell Kyon. He subconsciously picked her first because he was making up some sort of explanation for her weirdness, and then once one of them was explained, he subconsciously wished similar backstories for the others.
* If this is true, then "three years ago" could be just a sort of cosmic Main/RetCon they unleashed, and the whole "I am John Smith" Main/StableTimeLoop thing is just something he made up later.
** Or both made it up. This would also explain, why the time-loop even IS stable, because, as Kyon said, it doesn't make much sense.
[[WMG: The members of the SOS brigade are different aspects of the same being]]
On this page we have Haruhi is Kyon, and Kyon is the slider. The WMG/LuckyStar pages shows the Konata is Haruhi and Koizumi. Furthermore, Nagato was able to steal Haruhi's powers without Kyon's consent because the powers see them as the same person. Finally, the {{Haruhi-chan}} anime clearly shows that Mikuru is Jesus and by extension Haruhi.



[[WMG:The members of the SOS Brigade are exactly what they appear to be.]]
...in addition to the fact that they are, you know, an alien, esper and a time traveler, respectively. For characters who are in a show with quite a few mind screw-y elements they themselves are surprisingly true to themselves despite their supernatural origins. Yuki, Mikuru and Koizumi aren't pretending to be who they are, they just are who they are. Even Koizumi's manufactered personality (which probably isn't even as good a cover personality as he thinks it is) seems like something he might do even if he wasn't a psychic secret agent. Despite the secrets they all must keep their inherent truth of character is why this particular group was chosen by Haruhi out of all the aliens, espers, and time travelers there are out there.

[[WMG: Each of the SOS Brigade members are also as powerful as Haruhi, their personality simply limits their powers to what we know]]
Haruhi with her boredom and depression can turn fiction into fact. Kyon is as powerful as Haruhi, but his skepticism constantly tries to suppress his own powers. Yuki's cold rationality prevents her from going beyond the laws of Equivalent Exchange, despite having mastered her own powers. Itsuki with his desire to [[ContemplateOurNavels study human nature and philosophize]] got ESP powers instead. Mikuru with her naiveté, low self-esteem, and happiness in slavery limits her into being a MoeMoe time traveler. Of course, this goes with the theory that EverybodyIsJesusInPurgatory, so this would result in an infinite WMG dart board

[[WMG: Kyon, Haruhi, Sasaki, Kyon's Sister, and Kunikida all died in 1999]]
As noted above, Kyon was in junior high in 1996, but evidence in the novels points to three-years-ago being in 2007. When the Reaper's Game between Haruhi and Kyon started it became neccesary to rewrite the memories of everyone in order for them to fit into the Realground, Kyon and Haruhi's game started in 2007. Kyon's implying that he was in junior high in 1996 was simply due to the memory rewrite not being comprehensive enough.

[[WMG:The tenth novel and the second season will come out at the same time.]]
One is delaying the other. Either that or Tanigawa has fallen into a space-time rift and they can't find the final draft of the novel, or get his signature for the second season contract.
* [[spoiler:jossed]]

[[WMG: The next season will feature a {{Gender Flip}}ped episode as a ShoutOut to the fans]]
Not really a WMG, but it would be awesome.
* [[ShayGuy I]] was thinking an {{OVA}}.
[[WMG: The show will end when someone takes a closer look at the video the club made for the arts festival.]]
They all get arrested for selling [=DVDs=] of Itsuki naked on film. CensorSteam doesn't work quite as well in film as it does in animation. Haruhi remakes the universe because she's ticked off that they get in trouble for such a stupid reason. Partly so they have an excuse to confiscate Kyon's sister's cat for being a TalkingAnimal.

[[WMG:There will be a gendedflipped Endless Eight episode]]

That is if Haruhi-slash-Haruki-oh-kami-sama hears us.

[[WMG:The tenth novel will come out on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar December 21, 2012]].]]
Because that's what all the doomsday theories are really predicting. It will either be so horrifically bad or so mind-blowingly fanastic that it will completely change the world forever.
** Jossed. April 2010.
*** Jossed, May 2010 and all we have are the book preview.
**** The day it comes out is May 25, 2011. We are however, getting two books for our troubles.

[[WMG: Something revolutionary or horrible will happen before the third year of the high school, and the time travellers know of this.]]
Why else would they have put Mikuru a year ahead of the rest of the Brigade? There is clearly no purpose for her to serve her function after Haruhi's second and her third year is over. Thus, ''something'' will happen to make any further participation redundant.



[[WMG: The whole Endless Eight fiasco is just a ploy to troll the audience.]]
It will last for either eight episodes or until August 31st.
* This is exactly the conclusion I came to.

[[WMG: The Endless Eight arc is Kadokawa's attempt at SpringtimeForHitler.]]

Kadokawa has received a bunch of money that they're holding out from Nagaru Tanigawa, as well as the investments from the backers. They ordered Endless Eight to go on for this long in an attempt to run the series into the ground, so they end up not turning a profit due to ArcFatigue. They then are going to run off with the backers' money and abandon Haruhi forever. KyoAni is currently trying to sabotage this by making the episodes cost as much as possible by using completely new animation and voicework for each episode.
* This makes so much sense, it's scary. If it turns out to be true, then this thing would be bigger then Enron. Prepare for the greatest economical crime of the early 21st century!

[[WMG: The Endless Eight episodes are fake.]]

As in non-cannon. They were made with one purpose in mind - to piss fans off to the point where they'll watch ''anything other than this''. The actual season two won't be televised, at least not in the near future, but will be released directly on DVD. Everybody who wants to see it will be forced to buy them, driving sales through the roof. It's either the most brilliant or the most retarded marketing strategy ever.
* This theory isnt crazy at all. You should post it in JustBugsMe. There are several persons asking how this could happen.
** Well, I was pretty close, but I underestimated Kadokawa and KyoAni. It's going to be a movie, which means we'll pay for it twice - once in the theater and again for the DVD. Well played indeed. The canonicity of Season 2 [[{{Discontinuity}} is still up to the fans]].

[[WMG:Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody and Endless Eight WAS Season 2, Everything Else is Season 3]]

Possibly, all Season 2 included was the nine episodes. Then KyoAni realized that the backlash of having 8 of 9 new episodes very similar would sink their company...so they delayed the season a year and a half to two years, giving us the live teaser while they scrambled to finish "Season 3" AKA the back half of Season 2.

[[WMG:Endless Eight and the entirety of season 2 were filler... chronologically.]]

The original first season didn't encompass every story within its chronological period; it still left Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, Endless Eight, and The Sigh Of H.S. These three are now almost certainly making up the entirety of the second season. As such, season 2 will entirely fill the chronological gaps of season 1, and season 3 will be a complete blank slate. The more optimistic bit: In the two and a half years, KyoAni have been making a real season 3, entirely fresh and without time-padding repeats, and this will be shown later in the year.
* I don't think RealLife fits so high on the [[SlidingScaleLongName idealism scale]].

[[WMG: There never was an endless recursion of time.]]
Yuki glitched and started remembering her day from other universes. In the one where Kyon finished his homework, something related to that clicked the glitch out of place so that Yuki's day from those universes wouldn't be remembered by other universes, which is the cause of the differences between the days. Either the glitch or her usual method of operation had her count each day rather than look back to the assigned date of the given day, so it merely appeared that every alternate universe in which the glitch was not stopped before midnight was a separate day in Yuki's personal timeline (the glitch could even have resolved itself at midnight, and Kyon finishing his homework was just the most noticeable difference between those universes and the one in the show). Less seriously, Itsuki ''can'' see the future, and wanted to start an endless recursion of meme, with which Yuki played along.


[[WMG:The author is a spectacular {{troll}} who wants nothing more than to watch all of us squirm.]]
The franchise's very existence is all a massive XanatosGambit on the part of the creator. All of this infighting, the flame wars, the fandom, absolutely everything, was orchestrated by a very sadistic author with more time on his hands than should be legal. He crafted a story in such a way that it would generate a massive fanbase that will spawn from itself an equally charged {{hatedom}}, sprinkling in just enough {{fanservice}} of every variety ([[GeniusBonus technical]], [[MoeMoe moe]], [[ContemplateOurNavels philosophical]], etc.) to make it all work. The way I see it, his purpose is to bait people he probably cannot stand into starting as much conflict as possible amongst themselves, facilitating all kinds of rigorous procedure on something that ultimately doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things. A look through all manner of discussion of the series has shown that it could not have gone better: fans struggle to defend it, critics struggle to substantiate it, and haters struggle with both. In the end, no one is happy, except those too smart to fall for it and those too jaded to allow themselves to know about it.

'''Meanwhile''', the Nagaru Tanigawa and Kyoto Animation get to laugh all the way to the bank while everyone behind them starts flailing torches at each other thinking that any result is better than letting the other side have the last word. No one has [[MisaimedFandom missed the point]]; they've all [[UnwittingPawn fallen]] squarely into the author's plans. Whether they did this to encourage people to use parts of their brains that are otherwise idle 90% of their lives out of pure concern or for any other reason just because they hate us all is entirely up to you.

* Positing an alternate theory, fun times abound: Nagaru Tanigawa actually [[CreatorBacklash hates the series]] but is trapped writing it, much like Anno was with Evangelion and Toriyama was with most of Dragonball Z. Originally, Tanigawa planned Haruhi as a one light novel story: think about it, this explains why everything is wrapped up so nicely, and the ending is left nice and ambiguous so that each reader can come up with their own conclusions. However, after giving the rights to Kadokawa, the popularity of the series exploded, and Tanigawa was left forced to keep milking the cash cow. Now, this is where things get interesting: all those points of contention in the story and the anime: fully intentional. Tanigawa tried the best he could after learning he had to make more to sabotage the series by adding nonsensical elements like screwing up the order, giving Haruhi [[OutofFocus less and less screentime]], dancing around the question of [[WillTheyorWontThey Kyon and Haruhi's relationship]], shortening the length of the novels, and lately, putting two alternate versions of events in one novel. However, despite his best efforts, [[MisaimedFandom the fans ate it up]], and the series became more popular than ever. This is why the 10th novel has still not come out over 2 years after it's slated release date, because it IS supposed to be the final, but Kadokawa will not allow the cash cow to die, so Tanigawa is left languishing over a series that he never intended to be his defining work, and that he doesn't even care for that much.
** So its persistence is a result of ExecutiveMeddling. KyotoAnimation saw that this show was practically an open surgery and ripped it apart to create a confused fanbase that would embarrass the above authors. I still refuse to believe that the spinoff series are official products, but if they are, then all the better for this theory.
*** Seven of the novels were published before the anime came about, before it was this apparent cash cow.
[[WMG:Mikuru is actually [[AzumangaDaioh Chiyo-chan]] [[SheIsAllGrownUp All Grown Up]]. ]]
As explained here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrcuDKac_1I


[[WMG: There is no coherent meaning in Haruhi whatsoever. The real reason why there are possible infinite Wild Mass Guesses about HaruhiSuzumiya is because of its heavily archetypal memetic nature]]
It's also noticable in Wall-E's own WMG page, with it having a WMG dart board rivaling Haruhi Suzumiya's own WMG dart board because of its archetypal "Noah's Ark" structure. There is the possibility that the infinite WMG dart board is the result of its memetic construction: Let's see, a FiveManBand composed of a reality-warping God / Eldritch Abomination, said God can be an infinite WMG dartboard in itself because it's God, an alien EmotionlessGirl with Matrix-like programmable powers, a philosophical esper who is a part of a secret organization, a MissFanservice time traveller (don't get started on the WMG/TimeLord page), and a normal RealLife person stuck in the middle, said real life person was chosen to have the responsibility to save the world. If that ensemble can't be sandwiched in various types of fanfiction, then I don't know what else from Haruhi can be.

[[WMG: "Magic" and time travel in the future are 1: possible and 2: [[MagicFromTechnology based on the skills of human-data interfaces]].]]
Mikuru said, in the baseball episode, that Yuki looked like she was casting a spell. When Kyon asked what she meant, instead if saying "Oh, like a wizard or magical girl witch in an anime" she said "That's classified". In the very near future, the person who discovers time travel figures it out based on what he overhears of Mikuru explaining time travel, or Yuki repeating her explanation as she attempts to initiate a [[TechnoBabble temporal-displacement protocol]]. "Magic" spells are figured out in the process of trying to set up a reliable targeting method for time travel, and eventually becomes the domain of certain humans who have an unusually high data-processing ability and finesse, most likely with the help of computerized enhancements. Note also Yuki being a witch and Mikuru being a time-travelling MagicalGirl.
* Mikuru says pretty much everything is classified if it deals with her knowledge sources, whether it's something Kyon knows or not. Presumably it does mean that the future has had direct contact with the IDE, though.

[[WMG: Slider doesn't meant "Dimensional Slider" but " Street Light Interference Data Exchange"]]
If you are going to create an integrated data entity, why not create a being that can control various form of energy and data unknowingly? That way you can have a way to control the terminals.

[[WMG: The doppelgangers in Snowy Mountain Syndrome all took on the form of the subject of their victims' infatuation.]]
In the last chapter of The Rampage of Haruhi Suzumiya, the SOS Brigade is trapped in a house created by the Sky Canopy Domain, and they are forced to stay overnight because of the blizzard that forced them inside. A very forward Mikuru, who Kyon is obviously attracted to, ends up in Kyon's room, where she tries to seduce him for [[XanatosGambit unknown reasons]]. Of course, Kyon realizes she's a fake and drives her away, but then he discovers that each of the other SOS Brigade members also encountered doppelgangers. One could except Koizumi's theory that it was simply a ploy by Yuki to give them a hint to solving the puzzle that would release them, but let's look at exactly what happened. Mikuru enters Kyon's room, and he is definitely infatuated with her. Kyon enters Haruhi's room, and there are plenty of clues to draw the conclusion that she has strong feelings toward him. Same for Kyon's appearance in Yuki's room. It's also no surprise that he ended up in [[EvenTheGuysWantHim Koizumi's room]], given the latter's sometimes [[HoYay odd behavior]] toward Kyon. Of course, Haruhi ended up in Mikuru's room, which brings us to the next theory...
* I suspect it was a particularly clumsy attempt at a LotusEaterMachine. Considering that [[spoiler:Kuyoh]] was behind the whole thing, it's not surprising the part that relied on human interaction was so ineptly done.
* So was Yuki's fever... [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean "inflicted"]] by the Doppelganger? [[CovertPervert Does this say something about Yuki?]]
** It's impossible to say. If the doppelganger was supposed to take on the form of her infatuation, and ''had'' to pick ''someone'', naturally it would be Kyon, since she hardly even talks to anyone else. That doesn't really prove anything specific about how she feels about him.

[[WMG: The fakes in Snow Mountain Syndrome did not reflect who the dweller desired most, but rather the opposite]]
That is to say, the one that entered their room was the one that desired ''them'' most. For example, Fake Mikuru doesn't enter Kyon's room because he desires her, it's because Mikuru desires him. From this, we can conclude that Haruhi's sexual assault on Mikuru is much more than just playing around, Mikuru does want Kyon but just isn't allowed to form a relationship, and Kyon is bisexual. Alternatively, he enters Koizumi's room because everyone else is indifferent to him, while Kyon sees him as a friend, and therefore "desires" him the most.
* [[FridgeLogic Then why didn't Haruhi take MIKURU with her to the other world]]
** She wasn't able to take anyone other then herself to the other world. Kyon went there because he instinctively transferred himself their using his hidden powers as the slider and/or the true god.
** Just because Haruhi was the one who wanted Mikuru most doesn't mean she Mikuru is the person Haruhi most wants. Based on the WMG, Haruhi likes Kyon and Mikuru but prefers the former. Mikuru's attraction to Kyon, however, is greater than Harhui's attraction to either, although Kyon isn't as interested in Mikuru as Haruhi is.
** Is it not possible to have a stronger emotional connection to one person while having a stronger sexual attraction to another?

[[WMG:Kouyouen Academy is only an all-girls school so Haruhi could go to North High.]]
This might make no sense, and in fact seem outright contradictory, but bear with me for a second. Kouyouen is the school at the bottom of the hill leading to North High in the novels. In the "real" universe, it's a high class, all-girls school. But in the "normal" alternate universe in the fourth book, it's a co-ed school, and Haruhi goes there instead of North High. The rest of this theory is assuming that the "normal" universe is identical to how it would have been without Haruhi's powers, with the exception of Real!Yuki's keys.

Haruhi, being a brilliant student, was likely on track to going to Kouyouen after leaving East Junior High. However, she wanted to go to North High to find the mysterious John Smith. So, her mind made Kouyouen an all-girls school. We've never seen Haruhi's parents up to this point, but I assume they're fairly responsible. They noticed that Haruhi was rather... off, and wanted her to get into some normal relationships with her classmates, maybe get a boyfriend. If she wasn't adjusted in high school, she might never adjust after graduating. They were maybe also worried about how she was openly bisexual, perhaps not wanting their daughter to get in a sexual relationship with another girl. So, when Kouyouen became an all-girls school, they didn't want to send her there, and sent her to North High instead.

Of course, this theory has almost no impact on anything whatsoever, I just noticed it and didn't think any conclusion was outright stated. Another possibility is that Real!Yuki made the school a co-ed, so that Kyon would actually be able to find both Haruhi and Itsuki fast enough to beat the key's time limit.
* Interestingly enough, [[http://www.koyogakuin-j.ed.jp/ Kouyou Gakuin]] (the school Kouyouen Academy is based on) ''is'' co-ed, in RealLife... which one would assume is rather lacking in Espers, Aliens, and Time-Travellers...

[[WMG: ''The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina'' as told in the series was actually narrated by an UnreliableNarrator]]
The film was in fact highly successful, with a coherent dramatic plot, a CrowningMusicOfAwesome, and special effects so realistic.

[[WMG: [[ReBoot What you are experiencing is a temporary distortion of reality.]]]]
Oh, sorry, I'm in the wrong room.
* Agree! Where am I, anyway?
[[WMG:Kyon and Haruhi are a 100% perfect OddCouple]]
Kyon is serious, ordinary, wishes for everything to stay as it is, and secretly believes in aliens, time travellers, psychics and ghosts. Haruhi, on the other hand, is [[Main/GenkiGirl Genki]], eccentric, wishes for everything to be unusual and fantastic, and secretly knows all that stuff she believes in doesn't exist. And, if the theory above is true, then Kyon is the God of Ordinarity, while Haruhi is the Goddess of Weirdness.
* Rather God of Order and God of Chaos..!

[[WMG: Kyon ''and'' Haruhi are God]]
But both were only told the other was. Kyon was told what he was told, but Haruhi is under the impression that if Kyon gets too complacent and bored the universe will eventually quietly switch off. Kyon thinks that the world is mostly "normal" bcause Haruhi's subconcious doesn't believe in the supernatural, but Haruhi thinks that supernatural things exist in small doses because Kyon's subconcious mind thinks they do. This has the effect of turning Yuki, Mikuru and Koizumi into the most manipulative characters in history, and becoming completely nonsesensical when combined with the later novels. (If someone came up with something similar, I'm sorry, I just can't rbing myself to read this entire beast of a page.)

[[WMG: Kyon and Haruhi aren't gods per say- it is their interaction and relationship that is the actual ''power'' that shapes things.]]
In other words, they're co-creators like in some pantheons. Haruhi is someone who wants to believe in weird things but subconsciously is still grounded in reality (such as it is) and a normal world; she is capable of enjoying doing crazy things because she's doing it with her friends though she may say she's doing it for other reasons. Kyon on the other hand does not believe in such things and after finding out, still has trouble accepting it all; however, subconsciously and in truth, he is grounded in such weirdness. Though he enjoys being with his friends, he gets as much if not more excitement out of their adventures.

[[WMG: Kyon and Haruhi possess two parts of the same power.]]
Kyon has the power to warp reality, but doesn't have the focus to do so (shows in his studies). Haruhi has the ability to focus such powers into a certain phenomenon, which is why things keep happening the way Haruhi wants it, not the way Kyon would (although what he actually wants is [[UnreliableNarrator hazy at best]]). Or more simply, Kyon is the ray of sunlight, and Haruhi is the magnifying glass/convex lens that focuses the former into a crude laser. Both are unaware of their power or the symbiosis, and the illusion for Kyon that Haruhi is the sole owner and user is maintained by the rest of the SOS Brigade. Haruhi is completely ignorant of even the mere existence of the power.

Kyon (or both) appears to have the potential to obtain the ability to focus his power for himself, which is why the rest of the SOS Brigade insists he be the one to influence Haruhi to maintain status quo. The SOS Brigade have not told anything to Haruhi because she is too unpredictable and would be too difficult to use for their own agendas (or that she can't obtain the reality warping power). Kyon hasn't prevented any incidents/phenomenon he would have liked to avoid (Cave-cricket, Asakura, Mikuru beams etc.) despite his presumably strong want to stop/avoid them, because he hasn't yet gained the ability to limit the amount of his power available to Haruhi.

The incidents to which the sole purpose is to pander to Haruhi ([[strike: three]] four years ago, baseball, etc), is either the SOS Brigade maintaining the Kyon's illusion or keeping Haruhi around as Kyon's symbiosis partner while he develops his own skill at concentrating his power.

[[WMG: [[DragonAge Flemeth]] is behind everything.]]

[[WMG: Haruhi has Bipolar disorder (or Cyclothymia)]]
At the beginning, she's going through a depressive episode. She's not interested in anything and finds everything boring. Then she enters a hypomanic episode and starts the S.O.S. brigade. According to the other wiki, hypomanic episodes are characterized by... pressured speech, inflated self-esteem or grandiosity, flight of ideas, easy distractibility, and involvement in pleasurable activities that may have negative social consequences (such as dragging Kyon through the corridors by his tie, usurping the Literature room, molesting Mikuru, and blackmailing the computer club president). Note that depressive / hypomanic episodes typically last several days. Later in the series she's going through a "normal" period, though she's still eccentric.

[[WMG: ''AngelBeats!'' is in fact a prequel to ''Haruhi''.]]
The cast of ''Haruhi'' is the cast of ''AngelBeats!'' several lifetimes on. Yuzuru and Kanade, essentially the two more virtuous people in their ''AngelBeats!'' days, have progressed up the cosmic orders of beings to become a god and the Data Integration Thought Entity respectively. Yuri, on the other hand, being a more ambiguous person, is still languishing in the human stage of her existence, having lived some good lives and some... not so good lives. This also applies to much of the rest of the SSS, who are also still human. Taking pity on his former friends, and particularly Yuri, who he had unresolved romantic feelings for despite being more attracted to Kanade the last time they all met, and so decided to give his powers to her for a little while so that she can have fun - and in doing so, he hopes, eventually mature as a person. He then incarnates as a human destined to meet her so as to enjoy himself as well, though also to keep an eye on her; however, to enhance his own enjoyment of the experience, he either temporarily erases his memories of his true nature or simply suspends them for the time being. What he also does, however, is make contact with the DITE and record what actually happened with part of it, the part which then happens to become a certain humanoid interface used by the DITE to interact with the newly-found anomaly on a certain plane of existence. And so, the ball starts rolling...

[[WMG: The three explanations for how the world came about are adaptations of similar views in real life]]
Itsuki's represents the biblical stance (God created the universe).
Mikuru's represents the Steady State model of the universe as per Fred Hoyle. From the anime (Sigh part 5):
--->Mikuru: The world was like this to begin with.
Nagato's represents the Big Bang theory. From the novels (the first):
--->Yuki: The information sparks emitted from a certain area in the bow-shaped archipelago instantly covered the whole planet and started to spread towards outer space.

[[WMG: DITE is AkashicRecords]]
And Haruhi has some connection to it, hence her RealityWarper status.

[[WMG: Haruhi uses Celestials because they were something she made when she was a child.]]
Think about it; in the closed spaces, the Celestials appear for no reason, and seem to have no purpose other than to destroy what's inside the spaces to lash out her stress. Haruhi could've used any random creature to destroy what's inside the spaces, but instead uses a giant blue blob. She could've just simple dematerialized everything instead, or have a giant Haruhi instead, but she just creates those giant amorphous celestials. My theory why she used them is because she herself made it sometime when she was young, and kept it all these years in her head. Maybe what she made was something similar, but her subconscious warped it into great monsters. Perhaps they used to be doodles she made when she was a child, or probably some kind of horror from her nightmares. Maybe they were memories from a visit to an abstract art museum. Whatever it was, it was great enough for Haruhi to keep it at the back of her mind and make it a reality when she gets extremely mad.

[[WMG: Haruhi will eventually rewrite the universe...into the [[DoctorWho Whoniverse]].]]
Haruhi is interested in aliens, espers, time travellers, and sliders. Time Lords are from Gallifrey, possess time machines, have psychic abilities, and have even visited parallel universes at times. The Doctor is basically her idea of perfection; not only can he do all of the above, but unlike the other members of his race he has vast adventures through time and space, meeting weird monsters, saving the universe, being generally brilliant, and hanging out with pretty girls who scream a lot (Mikuru could be about 60% of that show's companions). That show is so perfect for her that I can't believe she doesn't watch it...unless it doesn't exist in her universe. Eventually she will change reality into the Whoniverse and herself into the Doctor. Her early adventures will have terrible special effects (she's not used to inventing monsters, and we've all seen her [[SpecialEffectsFailure skills as a film-maker]]), but she will eventually get the hang of it. Her mercurial personality will be reflected in the Doctor's various regenerations; sometimes she can be cranky and prideful (One, Six) sometimes darker and more manipulative (Seven, Nine) and sometimes an enthusiastic GenkiGirl (Ten, Eleven).

[[WMG:Kyon getting stabbed at the end of Disappearance was a needed event for the timeline to exist]]
If Kyon was not stabbed, then he would not have to bring Asahina-san (small) back to December 18 to fix the mistake. If he did not bring her back, she would not know about the time travel to that day. This means Asahina-san (big) would not know that she was supposed to wait for Kyon at Tanabata to time travel to December 18th.
* This of course is moot if Kyon is actually Asahina-san (big)'s boss.

[[WMG:the ones who appeared in the rooms of each sos brigade member in snow mountain syndrome, are the ones each member fears the most.]]

[[WMG: The reason there are aren't any sliders is because...]]
...they've all slid into parallel worlds. They exist, and they definately do the whole 'travelling through dimensions' thing, but none of them are actually in Haruhi's universe. Therefore, Kyon hasn't met any yet and the other three factions don't know they exist.

(Of course, this is assuming the phonecall girl from novel 9 isn't one. Although she still could be a slider and the theory could still stand if she has just happened to have found her way back home and somehow figured out that Haruhi is the one behind everything. Or something similar.)

[[WMG:The entire series is a VisualNovel.]]
And the "alternate universes" are actually different routes. The "slider" is actually the game player.

[[WMG:Sasaki will put haruhi in her place.]]

she will be the first to sucessfully stand up againist haruhi
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* Along with that, she pretends to not know about them; fearing that deliberately acting would cause either [[TheClimax a catastrophic epic of plot advancement]], or [[KyonBigDamnHeroes her losing most of her importance and power as the central character.]]

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* Along with that, she pretends to not know about them; fearing that deliberately acting would cause either [[TheClimax a catastrophic epic of plot advancement]], or [[KyonBigDamnHeroes [[KyonBigDamnHero her losing most of her importance and power as the central character.]]
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* Along with that, she pretends to not know about them; fearing that deliberately acting would cause either [[TheClimax a catastrophic epic of plot advancement]], or [[KyonBigDamnHeroes her losing most of her importance and power as the central character.]]
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[[WMG:Haruhi likes AnythingThatMoves]]
well when she said that she liked aliens, i thought of non-humanoid aliens

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*however he could be doing this since haruhi thinks of him as gay, and he may love her, which would explains why he's always trying to please her
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she will be the first to sucessfully stand up againist haruhi
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