History WMG / Hamlet

5th Apr '18 9:57:29 AM Pamina
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Doesn't it seem odd that Gertrude willingly leaped right into bed with her husband's brother Claudius once Hamlet Senior kicked the bucket? Indeed, the Gravedigger scene informs us that Hamlet was born the same day that Hamlet, Sr. killed Fortinbras, Sr. Old Hamlet was out on military campaigns all the time. It's hardly a stretch to think that Gertrude fooled around with Claudius behind her husband's back. Claudius himself knows that Hamlet is his son, which is why he initially tries to be friends with him and insists that he remain at Elsinore rather than return to France for school. Indeed, Kenneth Branagh's adaptation all but makes this assertion. Branagh bears a much greater resemblance to Derek Jacobi than Creator/BrianBlessed, and the scene where Claudius orders Hamlet's murder makes Claudius seem genuinely reluctant to do so.



* This would explain why the crown went to Claudius instead of Hamlet, and no one appears to have a problem with it. It also explains why, on the other hand, everyone is fine with Hamlet's eventually inheriting the crown from ''Claudius'' (mentioned several times).
** It might also be because Denmark has an electorate system of kingship, as mentioned in the play.
* It adds layers of ambiguity, guilt, and secrets to Hamlet's Act IV confrontation with Gertrude: think of all the things she could say that might clarify matters, yet leave them even worse.

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* This would explain why the crown went to Claudius instead of Hamlet, and no one appears to have a problem with it. It also explains why, on the other hand, everyone is fine with Hamlet's eventually inheriting the crown from ''Claudius'' (mentioned several times).
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times). It might also be because Denmark has an electorate system of kingship, as mentioned in the play.
play, but still...
* It adds layers of ambiguity, guilt, and secrets to Hamlet's Act IV confrontation with Gertrude: Gertrude where he basically calls her a whore: think of all the things she could say that might clarify matters, yet leave them even worse.



* [[http://www.craftyscreenwriting.com/ophelia.html For the curious.]]

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* [[http://www.craftyscreenwriting.com/ophelia.html For the curious.]]
]] but also just type in 'Ophelia Pregnant' in a search engine and multiple results (20 300 from Ask.com) will show up.




[[WMG: Ophelia is Pregnant]]
[[http://www.craftyscreenwriting.com/ophelia.html Seen here]], but also just type in 'Ophelia Pregnant' in a search engine and multiple results (20 300 from Ask.com) will show up.

[[WMG: Claudius is Hamlet's biological father]]
Doesn't it seem odd that Gertrude willingly leaped right into bed with her husband's brother Claudius once Hamlet Senior kicked the bucket? Indeed, the Gravedigger scene informs us that Hamlet was born the same day that Hamlet, Sr. killed Fortinbras, Sr. Old Hamlet was out on military campaigns all the time. It's hardly a stretch to think that Gertrude fooled around with Claudius behind her husband's back. Claudius himself knows that Hamlet is his son, which is why he initially tries to be friends with him and insists that he remain at Elsinore rather than return to France for school. Indeed, Kenneth Branagh's adaptation all but makes this assertion. Branagh bears a much greater resemblance to Derek Jacobi than Creator/BrianBlessed, and the scene where Claudius orders Hamlet's murder makes Claudius seem genuinely reluctant to do so.
* Extra context for those scenes where he basically calls his mother a whore.

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[[WMG: Ophelia is Pregnant]]
[[http://www.craftyscreenwriting.com/ophelia.html Seen here]], but also just type in 'Ophelia Pregnant' in a search engine and multiple results (20 300 from Ask.com) will show up.

[[WMG: Claudius is Hamlet's biological father]]
Doesn't it seem odd that Gertrude willingly leaped right into bed with her husband's brother Claudius once Hamlet Senior kicked the bucket? Indeed, the Gravedigger scene informs us that Hamlet was born the same day that Hamlet, Sr. killed Fortinbras, Sr. Old Hamlet was out on military campaigns all the time. It's hardly a stretch to think that Gertrude fooled around with Claudius behind her husband's back. Claudius himself knows that Hamlet is his son, which is why he initially tries to be friends with him and insists that he remain at Elsinore rather than return to France for school. Indeed, Kenneth Branagh's adaptation all but makes this assertion. Branagh bears a much greater resemblance to Derek Jacobi than Creator/BrianBlessed, and the scene where Claudius orders Hamlet's murder makes Claudius seem genuinely reluctant to do so.
* Extra context for those scenes where he basically calls his mother a whore.
5th Apr '18 9:52:11 AM Pamina
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She seems to know an awful lot about Ophelia's death - before, during and after it happened. She also doesn't seem ''that'' upset. Hmm.

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She seems to know an awful lot about Ophelia's death - before, during and after it happened. She talks as if she she witnessed it all, yet apparently made no attempt to rescue the girl. She also doesn't seem ''that'' upset. Hmm.
25th Mar '18 1:51:11 PM TheGreatConversation
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*** "Heaven will direct it." ~ [[SarcasmMode Horatio the pagan]], 1.4
14th Feb '18 1:07:31 PM fearlessnikki
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* Alternately if Ophelia is indeed pregnant with Hamlet's baby (see below) perhaps Gertrude performed a MercyKill.
19th Jan '17 7:00:55 AM ZeroL
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[[WMG: Horatio manipulated an insane Hamlet and an innocent Claudius into killing everyone so Fortinbras would become king.]]

It's hinted that Hamlet is actually insane, so Horatio could have hired an actor to pretend to be a ghost, who would fool Hamlet into thinking Claudius killed Hamlet Sr., and then he would use the play to catch out Claudius, making Claudius think an insane Hamlet believed he killed his father. Hamlet would hallucinate guilt on Claudius's face, and then Horatio would lie to Hamlet, saying he saw it too. Claudius was honestly concerned about Hamlet at first, thus his hiring of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, and then rightly feared Hamlet would kill him. Hamlet hallucinated what he said in the prayer scene, when he was really praying for a way to survive, and then Claudius knew Hamlet had to die to protect himself (he was king, after all, and his survival was important) and tried to have him killed, but Hamlet, who by then hates and fears everyone but Horatio, has them killed instead. Then, Horatio makes sure Fortinbras is coming at the right time so everyone will be dead, and watches the final scene take place with glee, before pretending to want to drink so that Hamlet will support Fortinbras with his last breath. MagnificentBastard indeed.
17th Jan '17 6:45:19 PM soothsayer
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The deaths of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern look more like “you kill three of mine; I’ll kill two of yours ("[[Film/TheUntouchables the Chicago way]]")”.

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The This makes the deaths of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern look more like “you kill three of mine; I’ll kill two of yours ("[[Film/TheUntouchables the Chicago way]]")”.
17th Jan '17 6:44:23 PM soothsayer
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[[WMG: Hamlet Sr.’s was not the only murder perpetuated by Claudius.]]

There are five characters that witnessed the ghost of Hamlet (Sr.): Hamlet, Horatio, Francisco the soldier, and (the officers) Marcellus and Bernardo. The latter three never make an appearance again after Act 1. Francisco only appears in the scene where he sees the ghost [1.1]. Bernardo appears in the first two scenes: seeing the ghost, and then telling Hamlet that he saw the ghost. Neither of them accompanies Hamlet (their crown prince) and Horatio to the ramparts the next night [1.4 & 1.5]. Marcellus appears in the same two scenes as Bernardo and does accompany Hamlet and Horatio to the ramparts the next night. Marcellus and Horatio are sworn to silence regarding the ghost, and Marcellus never appears again (seems like an officer would be a handy guy to keep around). Francisco and Bernardo are never sworn to secrecy.

All it would take is someone even seeing the conversation between Hamlet and the officers (and moments before Hamlet’s “O that this too, too solid flesh would melt” shtick the room was full of other people [seven named characters plus extras]). To Claudius (full of guilty paranoia), Hamlet going out to the ramparts, where he is not likely to be overheard as it would be difficult to spy on him, with two officers and an ally of his looks mighty suspicious. With no one talking, and Hamlet acting odd, it would seem too much like a plot to off Claudius for the crown (after all, everyone thinks Hamlet Sr. died via venomous snake bite).

The deaths of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern look more like “you kill three of mine; I’ll kill two of yours ("[[Film/TheUntouchables the Chicago way]]")”.
26th Dec '16 3:31:34 PM nombretomado
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Doesn't it seem odd that Gertrude willingly leaped right into bed with her husband's brother Claudius once Hamlet Senior kicked the bucket? Indeed, the Gravedigger scene informs us that Hamlet was born the same day that Hamlet, Sr. killed Fortinbras, Sr. Old Hamlet was out on military campaigns all the time. It's hardly a stretch to think that Gertrude fooled around with Claudius behind her husband's back. Claudius himself knows that Hamlet is his son, which is why he initially tries to be friends with him and insists that he remain at Elsinore rather than return to France for school. Indeed, Kenneth Branagh's adaptation all but makes this assertion. Branagh bears a much greater resemblance to Derek Jacobi than {{BRIAN BLESSED}}, and the scene where Claudius orders Hamlet's murder makes Claudius seem genuinely reluctant to do so.

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Doesn't it seem odd that Gertrude willingly leaped right into bed with her husband's brother Claudius once Hamlet Senior kicked the bucket? Indeed, the Gravedigger scene informs us that Hamlet was born the same day that Hamlet, Sr. killed Fortinbras, Sr. Old Hamlet was out on military campaigns all the time. It's hardly a stretch to think that Gertrude fooled around with Claudius behind her husband's back. Claudius himself knows that Hamlet is his son, which is why he initially tries to be friends with him and insists that he remain at Elsinore rather than return to France for school. Indeed, Kenneth Branagh's adaptation all but makes this assertion. Branagh bears a much greater resemblance to Derek Jacobi than {{BRIAN BLESSED}}, Creator/BrianBlessed, and the scene where Claudius orders Hamlet's murder makes Claudius seem genuinely reluctant to do so.
19th Sep '16 10:50:33 AM PABurritio
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[[WMG: There are multiple ghosts in the play.]]
Murdered folks come back as ghosts. Hamlet Jr respected Hamlet Sr more than anyone, so when Hamlet Sr gets murdered he visits his son and orders vengeance. Hamlet murdered Polonius. Polonius comes back and tries to convince Ophelia, who respects him more than anyone else did, to avenge him. Ophelia makes up a complicated test to see if Hamlet did it, or if the ghost was a demon or something, ala Hamlet's play-within-a-play. She seeks Hamlet out, knowing if he murdered her father he'd try to get rid of her to avoid the sense of guilt, but if he didn't he'd want to bond with her more than ever given their shared pain over a lost parent. When Hamlet proves his guilt, she fakes insanity and starts planning her vengeance. Gertrude overhears the plot and murders Ophelia. Ophelia's ghost comes back to seek vengeance, and since Gertrude is the person who most respects Ophelia, she's the one that gets to see and hear her, although Ophelia doesn't necessarily catch on that she can. Ophelia spends the rest of the play casting her presence over various scenes, including the one where Claudius and Laertes plot against the man she loves/hates, and she flips out on everyone in the duel scene. Gertrude hears the ghost's monologue, realizes her son is in danger, and avenges Ophelia by poisoning herself to save her son and make recompense to Ophelia's ghost.
17th May '16 7:53:27 PM vifetoile
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** Then... where's the real Hamlet? Is Fortinbras actually "real" Hamlet, invading his own country by pretending to be his enemy? Or... is Hamlet HidingInPlainSight as Horatio, wearing a big mustache and glasses?
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