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28th Feb '15 6:30:20 AM SeptimusHeap
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*** Oh, that's easy. Stay Puft was a [[FightingAShadow Projected Avatar]]. (it actually says this in the scan data in the game). Only part of it is in our reality. The first movie, they don't actually beat it directly, they cancel/reverse the gate connecting the Stay-Puft Avatar to the Gozer existence outside our reality. In the game, when they (or rather, The Rookie) ''kills'' it, this sends it back to the Outer Darkness DungeonsAndDragons style.
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*** Oh, that's easy. Stay Puft was a [[FightingAShadow Projected Avatar]]. (it actually says this in the scan data in the game). Only part of it is in our reality. The first movie, they don't actually beat it directly, they cancel/reverse the gate connecting the Stay-Puft Avatar to the Gozer existence outside our reality. In the game, when they (or rather, The Rookie) ''kills'' it, this sends it back to the Outer Darkness DungeonsAndDragons ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' style.

According to the Gozer exhibit at the museum in the Realistic-Style version of game, Gozer was a major power on Earth before Tiamat and her followers (Not the DungeonsAndDragons one, the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiamat Babylonian one]]) defeated it and banished it from our reality. Interestingly enough, one of the [[GottaCatchThemAll collectible items]] in the Realistic is a painting of the Shandor Family....on "Tiamat Island." Being descendant of the ones who banished Gozer gave him the knowledge of how to reverse the effect when he turned to the Dark.
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According to the Gozer exhibit at the museum in the Realistic-Style version of game, Gozer was a major power on Earth before Tiamat and her followers (Not the DungeonsAndDragons ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' one, the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiamat Babylonian one]]) defeated it and banished it from our reality. Interestingly enough, one of the [[GottaCatchThemAll collectible items]] in the Realistic is a painting of the Shandor Family....on "Tiamat Island." Being descendant of the ones who banished Gozer gave him the knowledge of how to reverse the effect when he turned to the Dark.
27th Jan '14 11:17:15 PM m8e
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As a shout-out to KillBill, the new Ghostbuster hired in '91 has "Rookie" on his name tape because it's actually his name, not because the Ghostbusters just have a standard-issue "new-guy" jump-suit they make new hires wear out of black humor for their employment duration expectancy (or, for that matter, their life expectancy.)
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As a shout-out to KillBill, Film/KillBill, the new Ghostbuster hired in '91 has "Rookie" on his name tape because it's actually his name, not because the Ghostbusters just have a standard-issue "new-guy" jump-suit they make new hires wear out of black humor for their employment duration expectancy (or, for that matter, their life expectancy.)
17th Feb '13 12:21:59 PM DevilMaster
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* As a corollary: '''Peter was responsible for that.''' It was Peter who mentioned that something bad happened to the previous rookie. It was also Peter who wanted to go after Slimer out of anger, at which point Egon reminded him of [[NoodleIncident the accident at Ellis Island]]. It could be that the two events are actually one and the same: during a bust at Ellis Island with Scance, something (presumably caused by a ghost) happened that angered Peter, to which he reacted recklessly, allowing the ghost to turn Scance into a ghoul.
11th Apr '12 3:35:18 PM MarkLungo
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Remving guesses not related to the video game.
[[WMG: Gozer was responsible for the Bronze Age Collapse.]] The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age_collapse Bronze Age Collapse]] was a period of about 100 years between 1250 and 1150 BC during which nearly every major civilization of the ancient Near East was destroyed by some unknown cause. Some archaeologists chalk it up to Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Drought, or War. Those are kind of correct. The ancient Hittites summoned Gozer the Destructor and s/he annihilated civilization.

[[WMG:Looking directly into the trap has it steal your "soul".]] [[OurSoulsAreDifferent "Soul" as in emotions]] (or some emotions, based on how long you look at it). In the films, the only times Egon really shows any emotions is during a deleted scene when they are getting kicked out of the University (he grabs Venkman), which was prior to the trapping, and when he gets mad at Peck (clearly, his soul or some such was released when all the ghosts escaped, or the sudden surge of psychokinetic energy affected his behaviour). Similarly, some experiment (perhaps designing an early trap) prior to the first film did something to Venkman's soul, hence why he can look into the trap and why he never takes anything seriously. [[WMG: Guesses on where the next office will be.]] * Philadelphia - An old city with many haunted locations, especially the infamous Eastern State Pentitentiary, whose spirits are already reported as violent. * Washington, D.C. - Since the Busters are recognized by the state of New York, the Federal government could call them to clean up many of their buildings and properties * Chicago - With the Hull House and Ressurection Cemetary, the new office will already have a who's who of supernatural beings. * Charleston, SC - As the third oldest surviving city in the US, there are more than enough famous ghosts for the Ghostbusters to deal with, from Anabelle Lee to Edward "Blackbeard" Teach. * Memphis, TN - Depending on the timing, you could have Slimer rock out with the ghosts of Elvis Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis, and Isaac Hayes. * Boston, MA - Right in the heart of Lovecraft Country. * Bangor, ME - Smack dab in the middle of Stephen King Country * St. Louis, MO - Home of the infamous Lemp Mansion and Brewery, whose history of suicide and corruption has surely boosted the city's psychic turbulence. * {{Seattle}}, WA - At least seven documented ghosts just in the Pike Place Market, clear on the opposite coast (they are lacking in West Coast presence), and attracted an unfortunate amount of infamous serial killers.
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\n[[WMG:Looking directly into the trap has it steal your "soul".]]\n[[OurSoulsAreDifferent "Soul" as in emotions]] (or some emotions, based on how long you look at it).\n\nIn the films, the only times Egon really shows any emotions is during a deleted scene when they are getting kicked out of the University (he grabs Venkman), which was prior to the trapping, and when he gets mad at Peck (clearly, his soul or some such was released when all the ghosts escaped, or the sudden surge of psychokinetic energy affected his behaviour).\n\nSimilarly, some experiment (perhaps designing an early trap) prior to the first film did something to Venkman's soul, hence why he can look into the trap and why he never takes anything seriously.\n\n[[WMG: Guesses on where the next office will be.]]\n* Philadelphia - An old city with many haunted locations, especially the infamous Eastern State Pentitentiary, whose spirits are already reported as violent.\n* Washington, D.C. - Since the Busters are recognized by the state of New York, the Federal government could call them to clean up many of their buildings and properties\n* Chicago - With the Hull House and Ressurection Cemetary, the new office will already have a who's who of supernatural beings.\n* Charleston, SC - As the third oldest surviving city in the US, there are more than enough famous ghosts for the Ghostbusters to deal with, from Anabelle Lee to Edward "Blackbeard" Teach.\n* Memphis, TN - Depending on the timing, you could have Slimer rock out with the ghosts of Elvis Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis, and Isaac Hayes.\n* Boston, MA - Right in the heart of Lovecraft Country.\n* Bangor, ME - Smack dab in the middle of Stephen King Country\n* St. Louis, MO - Home of the infamous Lemp Mansion and Brewery, whose history of suicide and corruption has surely boosted the city's psychic turbulence.\n* {{Seattle}}, WA - At least seven documented ghosts just in the Pike Place Market, clear on the opposite coast (they are lacking in West Coast presence), and attracted an unfortunate amount of infamous serial killers.

[[WMG: Willow Rosenberg from ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' is Egon's niece]] They're (maybe) both Jewish, (Egon [[AmbiguouslyJewish Ambiguously]] so, Willow in an [[InformedJudaism Informed]] kind of way) and we can assume BadassBookworm is an inherited trait. In the video game Egon mentions a niece, and he's given a brother in the first movie novelization. Scientists and scholars run in Egon's family. Throw in some continuity from the cartoon, and the Spenglers have a couple of wizards in their family tree as well. So Willow is Egon's brother's daughter. Okay, so that leaves her with the wrong last name... but I could see her mom as the type to insist on keeping (and possibly passing down) her own surname name due to ideas on psychology/sociology/patriarchy/proper parenting.

[[WMG: Oscar is the Destructor.]] The Stay Puft Man was a decoy put on by Gozer to distract the city and confuse the Ghostbusters. The true choosers of the form were Vinz and Zuul, who chose a human form by possessing Louis and Dana then unlocking the gate with the key. Notice how, after the Gozer temple is destroyed, Dana and Louis become perfectly encases in easily-escaped shells that conveniently shielded them from the blast. Gozer did this on purpose. Since it involved incubating a powerful cosmic entity, the initial stages of Dana's pregnancy took years instead of weeks. Fortunately, she had a husband to attribute the pregnancy to at the time when it became more apparent. Oscar's presumably strong spiritual presence is what attracted the pink slime in the beginning of Ghostbusters II, even before Vigo chose him as his vessel. [[WMG: The chosen Gozer-greeters for the Vuldruni and the Shubs and/or Zuuls chose their own versions of the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.]] Gozer appeared as a ''giant'' Slor, and a ''large and moving'' Torg. I'm guessing a slor is a type of small lizard that were kept as pets in the time of the Meketrex supplicants, and a torg is similar to a [[MythologyGag hibiscus plant]][[hottip:*: I was going to use rhododendron, but recently read that [[ViewersAreGeniuses hibiscus is a type of mallow plant]], [[DontExplaintheJoke and thus related to marsh mallows]]]]. ** Disproved by the game, but only by a little bit: from the game, we know that a ''juvenile'' giant slor is pretty damn big. It must get even bigger when it matures to adulthood. [[WMG: The updated logo wasn't the first to be suggested]] Since it's intended as a TakeThat against the authorities who shut them down, Venkman's original suggestion had the ghost [[FlippingTheBird giving the one-digit salute]]. [[WMG: Vinz Clortho used to be a normal person]] This is why he arguably seems more "human" than Zuul, and also quite possibly more insane. He was actually some other dimension's champion who attempted to fight Gozer, and to give him an eternal punishment Gozer transformed him into one of its heralds. Between being subjected to a glimpse of Gozer's true power and being forced to help destroy world after world, Vinz steadily lost sanity points, until he became the rambling, incoherent thing we see, who even then tries to find what good he can in Gozer's coming. "All prisoners will be released!" [[WMG: Vinz Clortho is the demon dog equivalent of a socially akward nerd]] when Dana gets possessed by Zuul she acts incredibly evil and demonic just as you'd expect, when Lewis gets possessed by Vinz Clortho, he acts twice as goofy and dimwitted, also notice Vinz scenes before the possession, how many times has he stumbled into something, or crashed into something or some other sight gag, he has demonic aspergers [[WMG: Zuul the demon dog that possesses Dana has a SpeciesSurname]] the species that we call demon dogs are called the Zuuls? proof? "many shubs and zuuls knew what it was like to be roasted in the belly of a sloar that day" * What if Vinz, having been driven hopelessly insane as suggested above, can only think of the term "women" in the singular example of Zuul, the only (presumably) female he knows. Yes, extradimensional female, but with the whole Gatekeeper thing, I think it holds. When he tries to say "many men and women (or women and children, for that matter) knew what it was like..." it comes out as we might hear a child say "many mommies and daddies." [[WMG: The demon dogs take on some traits of the person they possess]] Zuul changes into a sexy dress, while as a dog doesn't normally wear clothes, most probably doesn't understand the principle of sexyness, and doesn't need it in the first place (the Keymaster's coming anyway). Vinz on the other hand possesses a nerd and becomes a nerd himself. [[WMG: The pink slime controls Vigo, not the other way around.]] We see the pink slime provoking paranormal activity all over town, but Vigo never states that he's in league with other supernatural forces, and his plan seems to be resuming a human reign over the world once he has Oscar's body, which wouldn't make sense if he had an army of ghostly monsters that could betray and kill him once he was made mortal again. Maybe Vigo is just arrogant and, being in a painting, has no clue what's going on outside the museum. The slime just re-animated the spirit within the painting, like it's been doing across the city. [[WMG: Venkman's experiment at the beginning of ''Ghostbusters'' was actually working, and the "mood slime" in ''Ghostbusters II'' comes from human waste.]] * Venkman was doing an experiment to test the effects of negative reinforcement on psychic ability. By the end of the experiment, the male subject has enough psychic ability to know that one of the cards has wavy lines on it though not the exact number of lines. This is despite the cards up to this point having geometric shapes rather than abstract "wavy lines". Venkman, preoccupied with sexual conquest, ignores him in favor of the female subject. * In ''Ghostbusters II'', Egon is working on a similar experiment - testing how positive and negative feelings affect the environment. It seems to be succeeding as he is seeing spikes of energy in the atmosphere with both positive and negative feelings produced by his human subjects. * When the Ghosbusters discover a slime that responds to those positive and negative feelings, even going so far as to stir up psychokinetic energy in the courtroom strong enough to attract ghosts, they believe the slime is the cause of psychic disturbances in the city. In the video game, the slime is explained as bile of a Sloar, but what if that's only part of it? The massive amounts of slime and the fact that it's found in the sewers of New York imply that it didn't come from just one source. It could have built up as an element of human excrement over many years. The experiments of Venkman and Egon proved that humans have both psychic ability influenced outside factors as well as the innate ability to turn it into energy. Of course, human excrement would contain some of this energy. [[WMG:Egon, and only Egon, is a Time Lord]] Ever-popular meme done to death, [[PrimeEvil I]] know, but I've put a bit of thought into this. Egon is a Chameleon Arched Time Lord who has lost his fob-watch and will never find it again. This is why we know so little about his background other than "[his] parents didn't believe in toys"--all his memories are facts and figures imposed upon him by the Arch. Ray and Peter simply dismiss his more unusual character aspects to his upbringing. His knowledge, advanced WAY beyond our realm, is the product of all his years at the Academy. As for the Ghostbusters technology, there is a "fork in the road" here: either he had a TARDIS and used it to build the Ecto-Containment Unit and other tech, or his level of knowledge is just that deep. He is especially adept at constructing high-tech equipment from common/household objects, another defining trait of renegade Time Lords. (This is doubly so for the Video Game, where the guys have seemingly anachronistic technology for 1991.) But the clincher is, in a way, Walter Peck. Peck is not an EPA agent, but a Celestial Intervention Agent sent to deal with Egon once the 'Busters really hit the big time (his manner is atypical for EPA agents, as discussed in other WMGs). After all, that knowledge can be very destructive if applied in just the right way. Unfortunately, Venkman doesn't take him seriously, and neither do the other guys (the trick only works on people who are normally cowed by authority figures). Peck fails and his superiors exile him to Earth, where he becomes an incompetent Inspector Javert figure to the Ghostbusters. [[WMG:The ghosts in the containment unit will disintegrate over time]] * This one overlaps with a lot of other ghost stories, including ''KingdomHospital''. In ''Kingdom'', Mary states that Paul, her nemesis, sometimes goes back into the sensory-deprivation tank (presumably where he died) to "recharge". In other words, he must periodically return to the scene of his death to regain PKE. Therefore, the purpose of the Ecto-Containment Unit is to ''prevent'' ghosts from returning to the scene of their death and rebuilding their strength. After a while, they begin to disintegrate...at least in theory. Problem is, the GBs can't put their trophies into separate cells, and there's nothing they can do to stop the ghosts from pooling their ''collective'' energies. This is why the ECU in ''TheRealGhostbusters'' resembles an alternate dimension: so much ghost energy concentrated in one place.
11th Apr '12 3:27:19 PM MarkLungo
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[[WMG: Oscar Barrett will have a big part in Ghostbusters 3, if it gets made.]] Let's look at the facts - Mother was possesed by a fairly major demon, and he himself was nearly the vessel of an evil wizardy dude. He must have some sort of PKE madness running in his system. If the timeline of the movie remains constant, Oscar would be in his early twenties, the perfect age to strap on a proton pack. [[WMG: Humans are required for Gozarians to use their powers.]] This is more or less stated by Gozer itself when it demands the humans choose its new destructor form at the end of the first movie. The Gozerian pantheon, while powerful, cannot use more than the most basic of their abilities without a human will to shape them. When it first appeared, Gozer made sure to show off to the Ghostbusters without killing them because it wanted their panicked minds to create a powerful form for it. This had some ''[[ItWasHisSled interesting results]]''. * Shandor's cult knew this and used it to make deals with them for power after death. Once elevated, Shandor's ghost, being a sane human remnant, was able to channel his new powers well enough to destroy Gozer after absorbing enough PKE. His line "''I'' have chosen" was him actually creating his Destructor form on his own and reveling in his superiority over the Gozer. ** It always seemed to me that the reason Gozer has to let the inhabitants of the world it's invading select the form in which it attacks them is some rule the thing lives by, either set by itself out of sportsmanship or love of challenge, or else set by some yet higher being or cosmic law. Perhaps it even has to be the first inhabitant(s) to encounter the thing, hence it demanding from the Ghostbusters alone that they make the selection. Had Ray refused any selection like the others, it may have done something to coerce them, like torture them magically, maybe with that same force lightning-like effect. [[WMG: {{Ghostbusters}} takes place in the same universe as ComicBook/{{Hellboy}}]] Egon states that Ivo Shandor began plotting to summon Gozer to destroy the world shortly after WorldWarOne. Professor Broom states that WorldWarTwo was just the public face of the "Occult Wars" that began shortly after the First World War. During this time, Grigori Rasputin (yes, THAT Rasputin) began plotting to summon the Ogdru Jahad to destroy the world. Both of them failed, but were eventually succeeded in their efforts. Were Shandor & Rasputin working together? Do the Ghostbusters become B.P.R.D. contractors, similar to Blackwater? [[WMG: {{Ghostbusters}} takes place in the same universe as Film/MenInBlack]] After the first movie, the entire city undergoes a mass neuralization and most of the records of the Gozer incident destroyed; while there may be whispers and glimpses of what ''really'' happened, nobody remembers, and so they believe the official explanation (whatever that might be), and continue to think the Ghostbusters are frauds. After the second movie, the MiB realized they'd have to keep doing this over and over if they didn't do something, so they simply allowed the paranormal to become public knowledge while narrowing their purview to merely the extraterrestrial. However, this order came down ''after'' Walter Peck was neuralyzed. ** Alternatively, they only erased people's memories of the Gozer incident, as Gozer is not a ghost. Also note how, if I remember correctly, Winston is the only character to reference Gozer in the sequel. (They probably allowed the Ghostbusters to remember some or all of the event, in case their knowledge and abilities are needed once more; Louis remembers possibly because being possessed while being partially conscious burns the experience into your soul or something.) It just so happens that by taking away their biggest and most public event, the majority of people assumed all the little events (which have now dropped dramatically after Gozer's defeat) had a logical explanation. For the game, everyone has been deneuralized of the event. * Quick, someone turn this into a crossover fic! * If someone calls the Ghostbusters mistaking an alien for a ghost, MiB shows up on the scene, neuralizes the Ghostbusters and persons who reported the alien, and everyone is nonethewiser. Also, proton packs = alien science? * Aren't both movie franchises owned by Sony Pictures? Also, who would handle a ghost alien? I would imagine a more benign one would be better suited for the MIB (who are better at negotiations), whereas the opposite would be handled by the Ghostbusters (presumably ghost physics are universal). However, what if a completely corporeal, non-deific entity from another dimension comes to us? It's not a ghost or deity or anything, but does the MIB extend to inter-dimensional relations? ** I'd say yes, since an interdimensional creature would be a being from (a much broader definition of) "outer space." * This would probably make sense if you consider the original MiB comic in which they also faced supernatural beings. [[WMG:The "ghosts" are not actual ghosts.]] The Mood Slime reacts to thoughts and emotions, and shapes itself accordingly. All the ghosts, gods and monsters seen were [[TheHeartless drawn from the minds of those exposed to the ectoplasm]].

[[WMG: Ghostbusters 3 will end with the Ghostbusters facing off with, and losing to, Heraclitus.]] They won't be able to cross the streams. World ends.
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[[WMG: Ghostbusters 3 will end with the Ghostbusters facing off with, and losing to, Heraclitus.]] They won't be able to cross the streams. World ends.
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