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7th Jul '17 2:17:27 AM Meltemi
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[[WMG: Locke and Jean, and possibly Sabetha will cop the blame for the death of [[spoiler: Patience]]]]

Consider: she goes to meet with the three alone to complete the last steps in the punishment she tailored to Locke and show him just what she has done. She never returns. Her body is eventually found in the harbor. Is the most likely culprit going to be (a) a maimed cripple trapped in his own room with no ability to use magic of any sort, left with a method of suicide and who would be expected to follow through and thus quietly "disappear," or (b) the two people who have already demonstrated the ability and willingness to defeat another Bondsmage in a most humiliating manner for the organization as a whole, who she has just taken the perfect revenge upon, and one of whom seems to be [[spoiler: a former necromancer reincarnated into a young body]]. While the timing isn't explicitly stated, the fact that she met with Locke and Jean on the very night she was to leave Karthain before her death while hurrying to meet someone suggests that the timing of said death was after her punishment was complete. Her body is left to be rent by carrion crows, but signs would still remain of her death being in a similar manner to that visited upon the last Bondsmagi defeated by Locke and Jean: eyes and tongue gone, hands not chopped off but still pulped, and everything tailored to stop a mage from using magic.

Oh, and just to make things even better, said pair even flees the city that very same night as well, albeit for entirely different reasons.
30th May '17 5:01:56 AM VioletVisions
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[[WMG: Stephen Reynart is really a [[Chekhov'sGunman hidden heir]] to the Vadran kingdom.]]

First off, his characterization and background are [[LawOfConservationOfDetail suspiciously elaborate]] for such a minor character (so far, he’s just been used as a basic henchman foil for the Spider to talk to so the reader can listen in as they figure things out – so why make him an immigrant who grew up among the nobility when “ordinary if unusually bright career soldier” would be perfectly sufficient to explain his trusted position?), so the author presumably has further plans for him in future books. And the background as he recounts it in the first book also doesn’t make a lot of sense: If Stephen was the child of Vadran trade ambassadors who was suddenly orphaned during a trip to Camorr, you’d think he would have relatives back home who wanted him back, and substantial wealth and maybe a minor noble title waiting for him to inherit. (Depending on whether the “trade mission” his parents were supposedly on was a private venture, or official government business. The term “mission” sounds more like the latter, or at least like they were working in the name of some wealthy and powerful organization, like that wine grower combine Locke was pretending to work for as part of his con.) Instead, he was adopted as if he was some anonymous foundling – by the Duke’s secret-keeper, no less. This sounds more like either his family wanted to get rid of him (likely for reasons of succession) but had unusual-for-the-books’-setting scruples about killing a child, or more likely that the Duke decided to keep him as future political blackmail material while reporting him as dead back in the Kingdom of the Seven Marrows. The story about the ambassadors might even be completely false – Stephen was a baby when his parents died, so he wouldn’t actually remember them. Though an ambassadorship is also a credible position for some minor cousin of the royal line. And then there’s Locke’s compliment that Stephen looks “the very picture of the kings of the Seven Marrows” – which sounds very much like foreshadowing by way of oblivious truth-telling. The “crown” Locke is supposed to “pick up and lose” as per Patience’s prophecy could refer to Locke becoming kingmaker as he helps Stephen get his throne, or perhaps even impersonating Stephen during the coronation for some reason. [[note]]Of course, all of this assumes that the author won’t stick so close to real history with his FantasticCounterpartCulture of the Holy Roman Empire of Germany as to make the ruler of the Seven Marrows elected by the high nobility instead of inherited through bloodlines. But then, he mixed in plenty of cultural bits from Switzerland and the Low Countries too, and mixed up Roman-era Germanic tribes and medieval Viking raiders in the country’s origin story as told in the first book, so clearly, anything culturally Germanic goes. And even though there seem to be several Vadran principalities prone to going to war with each other, their overlord is still called a king, not an emperor ruling over a bunch of tributary kingdoms - and if I remember correctly, Sabetha mentioned the fact that the King of the Seven Marrows is dying and has no heir as part of the reason for the looming civil war, so it’s unlikely that some other high noble could simply be appointed as ruler. So the succession situation probably works more like in England during the War of the Roses between the royal lines originating from the Nor(d)man conquest. Which was ended by an obscure cousin to the king who was originally deposed, who’d been practically the last guy standing thanks to being protected abroad since he was a child. [[/note]]

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[[WMG: Stephen Reynart is really a [[Chekhov'sGunman [[ChekhovsGunman hidden heir]] to the Vadran kingdom.]]

First off, his characterization and background are [[LawOfConservationOfDetail suspiciously elaborate]] for such a minor character (so far, he’s just been used as a basic henchman foil for the Spider to talk to so the reader can listen in as they figure things out – so why make him an immigrant who grew up among the nobility when “ordinary if unusually bright career soldier” would be perfectly sufficient to explain his trusted position?), so the author presumably has further plans for him in future books. And the background as he recounts it in the first book also doesn’t make a lot of sense: If Stephen was the child of Vadran trade ambassadors who was suddenly orphaned during a trip to Camorr, you’d think he would have relatives back home who wanted him back, and substantial wealth and maybe a minor noble title waiting for him to inherit. (Depending on whether the “trade mission” his parents were supposedly on was a private venture, or official government business. The term “mission” sounds more like the latter, or at least like they were working in the name of some wealthy and powerful organization, like that wine grower combine Locke was pretending to work for as part of his con.) Instead, he was adopted as if he was some anonymous foundling – by the Duke’s secret-keeper, no less. This sounds more like either his family wanted to get rid of him (likely for reasons of succession) but had unusual-for-the-books’-setting scruples about killing a child, or more likely that the Duke decided to keep him as future political blackmail material while reporting him as dead back in the Kingdom of the Seven Marrows. The story about the ambassadors might even be completely false – Stephen was a baby when his parents died, so he wouldn’t actually remember them. Though an ambassadorship is also a credible position for some minor cousin of the royal line. And then there’s Locke’s compliment that Stephen looks “the very picture of the kings of the Seven Marrows” – which sounds very much like foreshadowing by way of oblivious truth-telling. The “crown” Locke is supposed to “pick up and lose” as per Patience’s prophecy could refer to Locke becoming kingmaker as he helps Stephen get his throne, or perhaps even impersonating Stephen during the coronation for some reason. [[note]]Of course, all of this assumes that the author won’t stick so close to real history with his FantasticCounterpartCulture FantasyCounterpartCulture of the Holy Roman Empire of Germany as to make the ruler of the Seven Marrows elected by the high nobility instead of inherited through bloodlines. But then, he mixed in plenty of cultural bits from Switzerland and the Low Countries too, and mixed up Roman-era Germanic tribes and medieval Viking raiders in the country’s origin story as told in the first book, so clearly, anything culturally Germanic goes. And even though there seem to be several Vadran principalities prone to going to war with each other, their overlord is still called a king, not an emperor ruling over a bunch of tributary kingdoms - and if I remember correctly, Sabetha mentioned the fact that the King of the Seven Marrows is dying and has no heir as part of the reason for the looming civil war, so it’s unlikely that some other high noble could simply be appointed as ruler. So the succession situation probably works more like in England during the War of the Roses between the royal lines originating from the Nor(d)man conquest. Which was ended by an obscure cousin to the king who was originally deposed, who’d been practically the last guy standing thanks to being protected abroad since he was a child. [[/note]]
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She and Locke had sex at the end of book 3 – ‘off-screen’, so there must be a plot reason for it, not just romance / titillation. And Patience prophesized Locke that one of the 3 things he “must pick up and lose” is a child. Since he’s highly unlikely to father a child with anyone else (assuming the author doesn’t extend his love for torturing his main character to rape), Sabetha must be the mother. Let’s hope the odd phrasing “must pick up” doesn’t mean that the kid will be half-orphaned by the time he [[LukeYouAreMyFather learns about its existence…]]





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She and Locke had sex at the end of book 3 – ‘off-screen’, so there must be a plot reason for it, not just romance / titillation. And Patience prophesized Locke that [[spoiler: one of the 3 things he “must pick up and lose” is a child. child.]] Since he’s highly unlikely to father a child with anyone else (assuming the author doesn’t extend his love for torturing his main character to rape), Sabetha must be the mother. Let’s hope the odd phrasing “must pick up” doesn’t mean that the kid will be half-orphaned by the time he [[LukeYouAreMyFather learns about its existence…]]




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[[WMG: Sabetha is [[spoiler: Lamor Accanthus’ daughter]].]]

Sabetha’s origins and upbringing before Shades Hill have been kept almost entirely in the dark so far, aside from her mentioning cryptically that she was “protected” and not wanting to elaborate – which sounds like she hadn’t actually been with her parents for some time, but had been looked after by other people. She was about 8 years old when the Catchfire plague happened (she’s several years older than Locke, who was 5 or 6), so there’s time enough for her [[spoiler: to have a memory of her parents even if Accanthus took a few years to go over to the Dark Side after her mother died.]] It would provide a reason (other than sheer jerkassery) why Patience was so insistent that Sabetha needs to know that [[spoiler: Locke is a sort of reincarnation of Accanthus, and why she decided to interrupt them right before they had sex.]] And it would explain why Sabetha [[spoiler: fled after seeing the portrait of Accanthus and his wife[[note]]I mean, it’s a painted portrait – what reason did Sabetha have to believe Patience when she told her that it’s Accanthus, and not just some random guy or a complete fiction, if she didn’t recognize someone in the picture from her own memories?[[/note]], despairing so much that]] she couldn’t even write Locke a note of explanation. [[spoiler: Incest seems a more valid reason to despair so completely after just having fixed her relationship with Locke]] - and for why she can’t tell Locke why she’s breaking up with him again - than some vague worry that Locke’s love for her is based on some kind of magical imprinting on the first redhead he laid eyes on. [[note]]Even if we the readers know that that pretty much really is what happened when they were young children, does it truly matter all that much after they lived with each other and got to know each other for years?[[/note]] … On the other hand, Patience didn’t [[spoiler: give Sabetha the picture until after she had sex with Locke.]] (Then again, she probably was busy [[spoiler: with her coup]].) And why wouldn’t Patience have told Locke exactly [[spoiler: who he just had sex with, if only to make him suffer?]] (Then again, it seemed like she thought the worst she could do to him was leaving him unsure if anything she told him was true or not. Perhaps she also thought leaving Locke guessing why Sabetha [[spoiler: had run away would be a more fitting punishment as well]].)

30th May '17 4:51:22 AM VioletVisions
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* As of book 3, it's been revealed / retconned that everything Locke tells people or seemed to remember about his early childhood is complete fabrication. He has no memory of his father at all, and only a very vague impression of his mother. [[spoiler: And if what Patience told him is true, we'll probably never find out anything about his parents - either the ones who were the parents of Locke's body, nor the original parents of Lamor Accanthus - since it's not relevant for the plot and they're all most likely dead of old age / the Catchfire plague anyway. And it's unlikely that we'll ever be told the name that Accanthus was born with, either, since his parents are unlikely to be still walking the Earth, and nobody but them or maybe a now elderly childhood friend would know.]]

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* As of book 3, it's been revealed / retconned that everything Locke tells people or seemed to remember about his early childhood is in the first book was a complete fabrication. He has no memory of his father at all, and only a very vague impression of his mother. [[spoiler: And if what Patience told him is true, we'll probably never find out anything about his parents - either the ones who were the parents of Locke's body, nor the original parents of Lamor Accanthus - since it's not relevant for the plot and they're all most likely dead of old age / the Catchfire plague anyway. And it's unlikely that we'll ever be told the name that Accanthus was born with, either, since his parents are unlikely to be still walking the Earth, and nobody but them or maybe a now elderly childhood friend would know.]]



[[WMG: Stephen Reynart is really a hidden heir to the Vadran kingdom.]]

First off, his characterization and background are suspiciously elaborate for such a minor character (so far, he’s just been used as a basic henchman foil for the Spider to talk to so the reader can listen in as they figure things out – so why make him an immigrant who grew up among the nobility when “ordinary if unusually bright career soldier” would be perfectly sufficient to explain his trusted position?), so the author presumably has further plans for him in future books. And the background as he recounts it in the first book also doesn’t make a lot of sense: If Stephen was the child of Vadran trade ambassadors who was suddenly orphaned during a trip to Camorr, you’d think he would have relatives back home who wanted him back, and substantial wealth and maybe a minor noble title waiting for him to inherit. (Depending on whether the “trade mission” his parents were supposedly on was a private venture, or official government business. The term “mission” sounds more like the latter, or at least like they were working in the name of some wealthy and powerful organization, like that wine grower combine Locke was pretending to work for as part of his con.) Instead, he was adopted as if he was some anonymous foundling – by the Duke’s secret-keeper, no less. This sounds more like either his family wanted to get rid of him (likely for reasons of succession) but had unusual-for-the-books’-setting scruples about killing a child, or more likely that the Duke decided to keep him as future political blackmail material while reporting him as dead back in the Kingdom of the Seven Marrows. The story about the ambassadors might even be completely false – Stephen was a baby when his parents died, so he wouldn’t actually remember them. Though an ambassadorship is also a credible position for some minor cousin of the royal line. And then there’s Locke’s compliment that Stephen looks “the very picture of the kings of the Seven Marrows” – which sounds very much like foreshadowing by way of oblivious truth-telling. The “crown” Locke is supposed to “pick up and lose” as per Patience’s prophecy could refer to Locke becoming kingmaker as he helps Stephen get his throne, or perhaps even impersonating Stephen during the coronation for some reason. (Of course, all of this assumes that the author won’t stick so close to real history with his Fantastic Counterpart Culture of the Holy Roman Empire of Germany as to make the ruler of the Seven Marrows elected by the high nobility instead of inherited through bloodlines. But then, he mixed in plenty of cultural bits from Switzerland and the Low Countries too, and mixed up Roman-era Germanic tribes and medieval Viking raiders in the country’s origin story as told in the first book, so clearly, anything culturally Germanic goes. And even though there seem to be several Vadran principalities prone to going to war with each other, their overlord is still called a king, not an emperor ruling over a bunch of tributary kingdoms -- and if I remember correctly, Sabetha mentioned the fact that the King of the Seven Marrows is dying and has no heir as part of the reason for the looming civil war, so it’s unlikely that some other high noble could simply be appointed as ruler. So the succession situation probably works more like in England during the War of the Roses between the royal lines originating from the Nor(d)man conquest. Which was ended by an obscure cousin to the king who was originally deposed, who’d been practically the last guy standing thanks to being protected abroad since he was a child.)

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[[WMG: Stephen Reynart is really a [[Chekhov'sGunman hidden heir heir]] to the Vadran kingdom.]]

First off, his characterization and background are [[LawOfConservationOfDetail suspiciously elaborate elaborate]] for such a minor character (so far, he’s just been used as a basic henchman foil for the Spider to talk to so the reader can listen in as they figure things out – so why make him an immigrant who grew up among the nobility when “ordinary if unusually bright career soldier” would be perfectly sufficient to explain his trusted position?), so the author presumably has further plans for him in future books. And the background as he recounts it in the first book also doesn’t make a lot of sense: If Stephen was the child of Vadran trade ambassadors who was suddenly orphaned during a trip to Camorr, you’d think he would have relatives back home who wanted him back, and substantial wealth and maybe a minor noble title waiting for him to inherit. (Depending on whether the “trade mission” his parents were supposedly on was a private venture, or official government business. The term “mission” sounds more like the latter, or at least like they were working in the name of some wealthy and powerful organization, like that wine grower combine Locke was pretending to work for as part of his con.) Instead, he was adopted as if he was some anonymous foundling – by the Duke’s secret-keeper, no less. This sounds more like either his family wanted to get rid of him (likely for reasons of succession) but had unusual-for-the-books’-setting scruples about killing a child, or more likely that the Duke decided to keep him as future political blackmail material while reporting him as dead back in the Kingdom of the Seven Marrows. The story about the ambassadors might even be completely false – Stephen was a baby when his parents died, so he wouldn’t actually remember them. Though an ambassadorship is also a credible position for some minor cousin of the royal line. And then there’s Locke’s compliment that Stephen looks “the very picture of the kings of the Seven Marrows” – which sounds very much like foreshadowing by way of oblivious truth-telling. The “crown” Locke is supposed to “pick up and lose” as per Patience’s prophecy could refer to Locke becoming kingmaker as he helps Stephen get his throne, or perhaps even impersonating Stephen during the coronation for some reason. (Of [[note]]Of course, all of this assumes that the author won’t stick so close to real history with his Fantastic Counterpart Culture FantasticCounterpartCulture of the Holy Roman Empire of Germany as to make the ruler of the Seven Marrows elected by the high nobility instead of inherited through bloodlines. But then, he mixed in plenty of cultural bits from Switzerland and the Low Countries too, and mixed up Roman-era Germanic tribes and medieval Viking raiders in the country’s origin story as told in the first book, so clearly, anything culturally Germanic goes. And even though there seem to be several Vadran principalities prone to going to war with each other, their overlord is still called a king, not an emperor ruling over a bunch of tributary kingdoms -- - and if I remember correctly, Sabetha mentioned the fact that the King of the Seven Marrows is dying and has no heir as part of the reason for the looming civil war, so it’s unlikely that some other high noble could simply be appointed as ruler. So the succession situation probably works more like in England during the War of the Roses between the royal lines originating from the Nor(d)man conquest. Which was ended by an obscure cousin to the king who was originally deposed, who’d been practically the last guy standing thanks to being protected abroad since he was a child.)
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[[WMG: Sabetha is pregnant and will return with the child in tow.]]

She and Locke had sex at the end of book 3 – ‘off-screen’, so there must be a plot reason for it, not just romance / titillation. And Patience prophesized Locke that one of the 3 things he “must pick up and lose” is a child. Since he’s highly unlikely to father a child with anyone else (assuming the author doesn’t extend his love for torturing his main character to rape), Sabetha must be the mother. Let’s hope the odd phrasing “must pick up” doesn’t mean that the kid will be half-orphaned by the time he [[LukeYouAreMyFather learns about its existence…]]




30th May '17 4:02:51 AM VioletVisions
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* As of book 3, it's been revealed / retconned that everything Locke tells people or seemed to remember about his early childhood is complete fabrication. He has no memory of his father at all, and only a very vague impression of his mother. [[spoiler: And if what Patience told him is true, we'll probably never find out anything about his parents - either the ones who were the parents of Locke's body, nor the original parents of Lamor Accanthus - since it's not relevant for the plot and they're all most likely dead of old age / the Catchfire plague anyway. And it's unlikely that we'll ever be told the name that Accanthus was born with, either, since his parents are unlikely to be still walking the Earth, and nobody but them or maybe a now elderly childhood friend would know.]]


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[[WMG: Stephen Reynart is really a hidden heir to the Vadran kingdom.]]

First off, his characterization and background are suspiciously elaborate for such a minor character (so far, he’s just been used as a basic henchman foil for the Spider to talk to so the reader can listen in as they figure things out – so why make him an immigrant who grew up among the nobility when “ordinary if unusually bright career soldier” would be perfectly sufficient to explain his trusted position?), so the author presumably has further plans for him in future books. And the background as he recounts it in the first book also doesn’t make a lot of sense: If Stephen was the child of Vadran trade ambassadors who was suddenly orphaned during a trip to Camorr, you’d think he would have relatives back home who wanted him back, and substantial wealth and maybe a minor noble title waiting for him to inherit. (Depending on whether the “trade mission” his parents were supposedly on was a private venture, or official government business. The term “mission” sounds more like the latter, or at least like they were working in the name of some wealthy and powerful organization, like that wine grower combine Locke was pretending to work for as part of his con.) Instead, he was adopted as if he was some anonymous foundling – by the Duke’s secret-keeper, no less. This sounds more like either his family wanted to get rid of him (likely for reasons of succession) but had unusual-for-the-books’-setting scruples about killing a child, or more likely that the Duke decided to keep him as future political blackmail material while reporting him as dead back in the Kingdom of the Seven Marrows. The story about the ambassadors might even be completely false – Stephen was a baby when his parents died, so he wouldn’t actually remember them. Though an ambassadorship is also a credible position for some minor cousin of the royal line. And then there’s Locke’s compliment that Stephen looks “the very picture of the kings of the Seven Marrows” – which sounds very much like foreshadowing by way of oblivious truth-telling. The “crown” Locke is supposed to “pick up and lose” as per Patience’s prophecy could refer to Locke becoming kingmaker as he helps Stephen get his throne, or perhaps even impersonating Stephen during the coronation for some reason. (Of course, all of this assumes that the author won’t stick so close to real history with his Fantastic Counterpart Culture of the Holy Roman Empire of Germany as to make the ruler of the Seven Marrows elected by the high nobility instead of inherited through bloodlines. But then, he mixed in plenty of cultural bits from Switzerland and the Low Countries too, and mixed up Roman-era Germanic tribes and medieval Viking raiders in the country’s origin story as told in the first book, so clearly, anything culturally Germanic goes. And even though there seem to be several Vadran principalities prone to going to war with each other, their overlord is still called a king, not an emperor ruling over a bunch of tributary kingdoms -- and if I remember correctly, Sabetha mentioned the fact that the King of the Seven Marrows is dying and has no heir as part of the reason for the looming civil war, so it’s unlikely that some other high noble could simply be appointed as ruler. So the succession situation probably works more like in England during the War of the Roses between the royal lines originating from the Nor(d)man conquest. Which was ended by an obscure cousin to the king who was originally deposed, who’d been practically the last guy standing thanks to being protected abroad since he was a child.)
19th Jan '17 3:07:57 PM GothicProphet
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[[WMG: Jean and Locke have contracted the nasty affliction known only as the {{CartwrightCurse}}.]]

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[[WMG: Jean and Locke have contracted the nasty affliction known only as the {{CartwrightCurse}}.{{Cartwright Curse}}.]]
14th Apr '13 5:34:23 PM Xtifr
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[[WMG: Sabetha is inspired by [[MasterandCommander Diana Villiers]].]]

Crazy, witty, doesn't play by the rules, wears trousers, swears almost first thing we meet her, unusual coloring (red hair/black hair and blue eyes), good posture, fond of slightly dangerous physical activity (climbing on roofs/riding and driving), and has a habit of running off to foreign countries and leaving behind a celibate protagonist who is eventually reunited with her. In ''The Hundred Days'' [[MasterandCommander Diana Villiers]] [[spoiler:drowns when she drives a carriage off a bridge]] and in ''The Republic of Thieves'' [[spoiler:Locke is told that Sabetha fell into a canal and drowned]]. Diana's even described as "gentlemanly."

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[[WMG: Sabetha is inspired by [[MasterandCommander [[Literature/AubreyMaturin Diana Villiers]].]]

Crazy, witty, doesn't play by the rules, wears trousers, swears almost first thing we meet her, unusual coloring (red hair/black hair and blue eyes), good posture, fond of slightly dangerous physical activity (climbing on roofs/riding and driving), and has a habit of running off to foreign countries and leaving behind a celibate protagonist who is eventually reunited with her. In ''The Hundred Days'' [[MasterandCommander Diana Villiers]] Villiers [[spoiler:drowns when she drives a carriage off a bridge]] and in ''The Republic of Thieves'' [[spoiler:Locke is told that Sabetha fell into a canal and drowned]]. Diana's even described as "gentlemanly."
30th Dec '12 3:00:31 PM Nautilus1
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The world is clearly another terrestrial planet with three moons, where a past civilization known as the Eldren left behind gigantic engineering works impossible to modify or duplicate, raising entire islands of a substance hard as diamond. Yet the world has humans, horses, dogs, cats and other Earth animals in human cities, while the wilderness host a dangerous and hardly known fauna. The humans had to get there from ''somewhere'' - the original civilization might have been an Earth colonizing mission which evolved over millenia first into an Empire and then in a quasi-feudal world after the breakup of the said Empire.

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The world is clearly another terrestrial planet with three moons, where a past civilization known as the Eldren left behind gigantic engineering works impossible to modify or duplicate, raising entire islands of a substance hard as diamond. Yet the world has humans, horses, dogs, cats and other Earth animals in human cities, while the wilderness host a dangerous and hardly known fauna. The humans had to get there from ''somewhere'' - the original civilization might have been an Earth colonizing mission which evolved over millenia first into an Empire and then in a quasi-feudal world after the breakup of the said Empire. Even the word "Therin" might have been a corruption of "Terrian".
26th Dec '12 1:48:43 PM Nautilus1
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[[WMG: The Eldren are Earth-men]]

The world is clearly another terrestrial planet with three moons, where a past civilization known as the Eldren left behind gigantic engineering works impossible to modify or duplicate, raising entire islands of a substance hard as diamond. Yet the world has humans, horses, dogs, cats and other Earth animals in human cities, while the wilderness host a dangerous and hardly known fauna. The humans had to get there from ''somewhere'' - the original civilization might have been an Earth colonizing mission which evolved over millenia first into an Empire and then in a quasi-feudal world after the breakup of the said Empire.
22nd Apr '12 5:48:07 PM timthief
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[[WMG: Locke ends up [[spoiler:back in Camorr as Count of Westwatch]]

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22nd Apr '12 5:47:38 PM timthief
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[[WMG: Locke ends up [[spoiler:back in Camorr as Count of Westwatch]]

Or as head of the [[spoiler: Nightglass Company]]. I mean look at the title of Book 7!
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