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His logic of everyone being the enemy isn't entirely unfounded as often in the Vietnam war, a seemingly innocent civilian (even women and children) ends up getting the drop on a soldier with some trap or bomb. That perhaps mixed with the "ungrateful" (considering the US was partially helping France with one of their messes) attitude of South Vietnamese caused him to figure "Why take chances? Better them than us".
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[[WMG: Hartman's two Junior Drill Instructors had tired of their commanding officer and were looking for someone like "Pyle" to take him out, consequences be damned.]]
In the book "The Short-Timers" and the film's shooting script, Hartman (Gerheim in the book) had two Junior Drill Instructors or "Devil Dogs" under his command during the accelerated training of Platoon 3092. Their names were Corporals Durrane and Seaton. You can see them when they appear with Hartman to wake up the platoon for Reveille and standing behind Hartman during his graduation speech to 3092. For anyone wondering how Leonard Lawrence (aka. Private Gomer Pyle) could get his hands on live ammunition and have his rifle unlocked from his bunk or not returned, it is my interpretation that Durrane and Seaton were witnesses to other abuses by Hartman that crossed the line in the past but their hands were tied to prevent them from getting their commanding officer court-martialed. He had too entrenched a culture and seat of power behind him for them to do anything overt to [[Main/LaserGuidedKarma rein Hartman's abuse in.]]
Thus when Leonard Lawrence showed up and proved himself an expert with the rifle as well as managing to sneak jelly doughnuts out of the mess hall into his foot locker, Durrane and Seaton found their ticket to ending Hartman's abuse. Forcing Hartman to be more hands on and take the reins off them, Durrane and Seaton became willfully lax in their security checks once leaving the rifle range to allow Leonard to smuggle the live rounds back to his foot locker. And they willfully disregarded standard safety and security procedures to leave a key for Leonard to unlock his rifle from his bunk on the last night of 3092's stay on Parris Island before the buses would take them out for advanced training the next morning. They did know that Leonard was taking enough rounds for a full magazine, but disregarded it so that it would result in Leonard killing only Hartman and himself with Davis (Private Joker) powerless due to his compassion for Leonard.
If they were going to end up drummed out of the Corps and court-martialed over what they did or did not do, they would at least ensure Hartman was [[Main/TakingYouWithMe brought down with them]] in the bargain. This was a farfetched gamble in the first place, so they had to play really coy so that Hartman would not break his fanaticism to grow wise to their XanatosGambit.
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[[WMG: Private Joker changed his name, became a scientist and works at [[Series/StrangerThings Hawkins National Laboratory]]]]
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* In the book sequel ''The Phantom Blooper" however, Joker had issues adjusting to civilian life, and [[GoingNative went back to live in the VC village]] he spent time with as a POW.
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* In the book sequel ''The Phantom Blooper" Blooper'' however, Joker had issues adjusting to civilian life, and [[GoingNative went back to live in the VC village]] he spent time with as a POW.
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[[WMG: Private Pyle was one of McNamara's "New Standards Men" of Project 100,000]]
Project 100,000, or "Moron Corps", was Robert McNamara's attempt to integrate 100,000 of those men who had so far been disqualified to serve in the US military. He certainly displays lower than average intelligence, poor ability to learn and internalize things, and he appears to be unaware on what is happening around him. It is likely he has been talked over to join the military, and is afraid of getting sent to Vietnam.
Project 100,000, or "Moron Corps", was Robert McNamara's attempt to integrate 100,000 of those men who had so far been disqualified to serve in the US military. He certainly displays lower than average intelligence, poor ability to learn and internalize things, and he appears to be unaware on what is happening around him. It is likely he has been talked over to join the military, and is afraid of getting sent to Vietnam.
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[[WMG: Private Pyle was one of McNamara's [=McNamara=]'s "New Standards Men" of Project 100,000]]
Project 100,000, or "Moron Corps", was RobertMcNamara's [=McNamara=]'s attempt to integrate 100,000 of those men who had so far been disqualified to serve in the US military. He certainly displays lower than average intelligence, poor ability to learn and internalize things, and he appears to be unaware on what is happening around him. It is likely he has been talked over to join the military, and is afraid of getting sent to Vietnam.
Project 100,000, or "Moron Corps", was Robert
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*** About 5% of Marines (vs. about 25% of Army soldiers) were draftees, so there is a roughly 5% chance Leonard was a draftee. Low, but not impossible. It's also entirely possible that he was impacted by Project 100,000, but that has nothing to do with whether he was a draftee or a volunteer: the lowering of AFQT standards applied to both.
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[[WMG: Private Pyle was one of the Mc Namara's "New Standards Men" of Project 100,000]]
The Project 100,000, or "Moron Corps", was Robert Mc Namara's attempt to integrate 100,000 of those men who had so far been disqualified to serve in the US military. He certainly displays lower than average intelligence, poor ability to learn and internalize things, and he appears to be unaware on what is happening around him. It is likely he has been talked over to join the military, and is afraid on getting sent to Vietnam.
The Project 100,000, or "Moron Corps", was Robert Mc Namara's attempt to integrate 100,000 of those men who had so far been disqualified to serve in the US military. He certainly displays lower than average intelligence, poor ability to learn and internalize things, and he appears to be unaware on what is happening around him. It is likely he has been talked over to join the military, and is afraid on getting sent to Vietnam.
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[[WMG: Private Pyle was one of the Mc Namara's McNamara's "New Standards Men" of Project 100,000]]
The Project 100,000, or "Moron Corps", was Robert Mc Namara's McNamara's attempt to integrate 100,000 of those men who had so far been disqualified to serve in the US military. He certainly displays lower than average intelligence, poor ability to learn and internalize things, and he appears to be unaware on what is happening around him. It is likely he has been talked over to join the military, and is afraid on of getting sent to Vietnam.
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[[WMG: Animal Mother is the protagonist of Bruce Springsteen song ''Born in the USA'']]
The book ''The Short-Timers'' lets us understand that Animal Mother had a very troubling youth and past in a small town, and he had the choice of either joining the military or going to prison. In the book, he survives the war.
The book ''The Short-Timers'' lets us understand that Animal Mother had a very troubling youth and past in a small town, and he had the choice of either joining the military or going to prison. In the book, he survives the war.
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[[WMG: Private Pyle was one of the Mc Namara's "New Standards Men" of Project 100,000]]
The Project 100,000, or "Moron Corps", was Robert Mc Namara's attempt to integrate 100,000 of those men who had so far been disqualified to serve in the US military. He certainly displays lower than average intelligence, poor ability to learn and internalize things, and he appears to be unaware on what is happening around him. It is likely he has been talked over to join the military, and is afraid on getting sent to Vietnam.
The Project 100,000, or "Moron Corps", was Robert Mc Namara's attempt to integrate 100,000 of those men who had so far been disqualified to serve in the US military. He certainly displays lower than average intelligence, poor ability to learn and internalize things, and he appears to be unaware on what is happening around him. It is likely he has been talked over to join the military, and is afraid on getting sent to Vietnam.
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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.
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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.\\
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This is, however, contradicted in the book ''The Short-Timers'', on which the film is based. He is eventually promoted to Sergeant, and takes over the leadership of the Lusthog Squad. Animal Mother becomes the point - ''because he likes it''.
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This is, however, contradicted in the book ''The Short-Timers'', on which the film is based. He is eventually promoted to Sergeant, and takes over the leadership of the Lusthog Squad. Animal Mother becomes the point - ''because he likes doing it''.
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This is, however, contradicted in the book ''The Short-Timers'', on which the film is based. He is eventually promoted to Sergeant, and takes over the leadership of the Lusthog Squad. Animal Mother becomes the point - ''because he likes it''.
This is, however, contradicted in the book ''The Short-Timers'', on which the film is based. He is eventually promoted to Sergeant, and takes over the leadership of the Lusthog Squad. Animal Mother becomes the point - ''because he likes it''.
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** Where do you people get all this? The Marines did a draft just like all the other branches did, in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. It's standard policy that if one branch does a draft, they all have to. The numbers were usually smaller, but the draft was present. And then Project 100,000 came along, which is probably how Leonard got sucked in.
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* Sure, but then he develops [[Franchise/MassEffect Vrolik syndrome, becomes immortal, develops a talent for piloting spaceships]], and mellows out a lot.
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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.
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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.want.
[[WMG: "Door Gunner" wasn't always a sociopath but rather a display of what being in 'Nam can do to someone.]]
His logic of everyone being the enemy isn't entirely unfounded as often in the Vietnam war, a seemingly innocent civilian (even women and children) ends up getting the drop on a soldier with some trap or bomb. That perhaps mixed with the "ungrateful" (considering the US was partially helping France with one of their messes) attitude of South Vietnamese caused him to figure "Why take chances? Better them than us".
[[WMG: "Door Gunner" wasn't always a sociopath but rather a display of what being in 'Nam can do to someone.]]
His logic of everyone being the enemy isn't entirely unfounded as often in the Vietnam war, a seemingly innocent civilian (even women and children) ends up getting the drop on a soldier with some trap or bomb. That perhaps mixed with the "ungrateful" (considering the US was partially helping France with one of their messes) attitude of South Vietnamese caused him to figure "Why take chances? Better them than us".
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** Many men joined the Marines because they knew they were subject to the draft, and tried to circumvent going to a bad Army unit. The belief was if they are going to fight in Vietnam anyway, may as well be in an all-volunteer outfit. So in essence, many Marines were unwilling, or at least less than enthusiastic volunteers.
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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[EliteAreMoreGlamourous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.
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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[EliteAreMoreGlamourous [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.
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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[EliteAreMoreGlamorous [[EliteAreMoreGlamourous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.
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* Literally millions of Americans grow up shooting rifles who have no desire to murder anyone. Him already knowing how to shoot (or not knowing and just being naturally talented) isn’t indicative of anything. For many people, target shooting is a nonviolent (shooting people is violent, shooting a paper circle isn’t) recreational activity. And as I already said, he may have never touched a weapon before and just had a natural talent for marksmanship. That happens sometimes.
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[[WMG: Joker will eventually become a “Stolen Valor” case.]]
While not ''entirely'' a coward, Joker isn’t particularly brave. We see this when he does nothing to stop Pyle before he loads his weapon (which could have prevented two senseless deaths, including Pyle’s), during the first wave of the Tet Offensive, when he nervously stutters “I hope they’re just fucking with us!” and during the sniper scene, where he instantly goes from best friend to TheLoad for Cowboy, who is as scared as anyone but doesn’t let it control him. At the same time, Joker often brags about wanting to see combat, and later about combat he’s been in, as well as the BadassBoast on his helmet. Granted, Joker is clearly a fairly intelligent and educated individual with some rather deep philosophical views on war—though on some level he also seems to think he’s the smartest one around, and he may even be right about that from time to time, though not as often as he thinks—, and his bravado about wanting to be a killer is probably deliberate irony on his part, but he also overcompensates with other Marines.\\
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Joker seems to really, really ''want'' to fit in with Cowboy’s platoon, despite being a “POG” reporter who only occasionally sees danger. They seem okay with him at first, and he doesn’t cause any problems as long as nothing happens that likely means ''he'' might get killed, but the moment things really go sideways, when they take a wrong turn in Hue City, Joker immediately turns into a chattering wreck. His best friend Cowboy has to give him a not-at-all-friendly “Joker, shut the ''fuck'' up!” before his nervous talk starts affecting morale or discipline. Even when hunting the sniper, Joker seems less motivated by any desire to fight the enemy or avenge his friend than by the fact that Animal Mother will probably shoot him if he doesn’t. To use Animal Mother’s own words, Joker talks the talk, but he doesn’t walk the walk at all.\\
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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[EliteAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.
[[WMG: Joker will eventually become a “Stolen Valor” case.]]
While not ''entirely'' a coward, Joker isn’t particularly brave. We see this when he does nothing to stop Pyle before he loads his weapon (which could have prevented two senseless deaths, including Pyle’s), during the first wave of the Tet Offensive, when he nervously stutters “I hope they’re just fucking with us!” and during the sniper scene, where he instantly goes from best friend to TheLoad for Cowboy, who is as scared as anyone but doesn’t let it control him. At the same time, Joker often brags about wanting to see combat, and later about combat he’s been in, as well as the BadassBoast on his helmet. Granted, Joker is clearly a fairly intelligent and educated individual with some rather deep philosophical views on war—though on some level he also seems to think he’s the smartest one around, and he may even be right about that from time to time, though not as often as he thinks—, and his bravado about wanting to be a killer is probably deliberate irony on his part, but he also overcompensates with other Marines.\\
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Joker seems to really, really ''want'' to fit in with Cowboy’s platoon, despite being a “POG” reporter who only occasionally sees danger. They seem okay with him at first, and he doesn’t cause any problems as long as nothing happens that likely means ''he'' might get killed, but the moment things really go sideways, when they take a wrong turn in Hue City, Joker immediately turns into a chattering wreck. His best friend Cowboy has to give him a not-at-all-friendly “Joker, shut the ''fuck'' up!” before his nervous talk starts affecting morale or discipline. Even when hunting the sniper, Joker seems less motivated by any desire to fight the enemy or avenge his friend than by the fact that Animal Mother will probably shoot him if he doesn’t. To use Animal Mother’s own words, Joker talks the talk, but he doesn’t walk the walk at all.\\
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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[EliteAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.
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** The Marines, Navy and Air Force have never had a draft. And even then, less than 1000 Marines were drafted in Vietnam or WorldWarTwo, something which amounted to a recruiter "[[GotVolunteered volunteering]]" Army draftees to meet quotas in both wars. So he enlisted, he wasn't drafted.
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[[WMG: Private Joker, scarred by his experiences, grows up to be [[{{ComicBook/Joker}} a supervillain]].]]
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[[WMG: Private Joker, scarred by his experiences, grows up to be [[{{ComicBook/Joker}} [[ComicBook/TheJoker a supervillain]].]]
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[[WMG: "Private Pyle" was a murderous psychopath all along]]
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[[WMG: Private Joker, scarred by his experience experiences, grows up to be [[{{ComicBook/Joker}} a super villain]]supervillain]].]]
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** The Marines, Navy and Air Force have never had a draft. And even then, less than 1000 Marines were drafted in Vietnam or WorldWarTwo, something which amounted to a recruiter "volunteering" Army draftees to meet quotas in both wars. So he enlisted, he wasn't drafted.
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** The Marines, Navy and Air Force have never had a draft. And even then, less than 1000 Marines were drafted in Vietnam or World WarTwo, WorldWarTwo, something which amounted to a recruiter "volunteering" Army draftees to meet quotas in both wars. So he enlisted, he wasn't drafted.
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* The book the movie is based on is careful to describe Pyle as a very innocent soul. He also isn't out of shape, and is actually described as being skinny. He's just 'slow' and needs to be reminded to do everything. His breakdown is also clearly depicted as a psychotic break: he believed his rifle was talking to him and he shoots the drill sergeant because he looked at 'her' in a way he didn't like. This theory can still make sense within context of the movie though.
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Presenting a counter-counter point.
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** The Marines, Navy and Air Force have never had a draft. And even then, less than 1000 Marines were drafted in Vietnam or World WarTwo, something which amounted to a recruiter "volunteering" Army draftees to meet quotas. So he enlisted, he wasn't drafted.
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Calling the Marines the Army is an Epic Fail.
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* Did he enlist or was he conscripted? And besides, when put under pressure, people break in different ways.
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[[WMG: Private Joker, scarred by his experience grows up to be a super villain]]
He develops an obsession with smiles after the chilling memory of Pyle's death and now has an obsession with putting smiles on peoples' faces as he kills them. He keeps his nickname from the army.
[[WMG: Private Joker, scarred by his experience grows up to be a super villain]]
He develops an obsession with smiles after the chilling memory of Pyle's death and now has an obsession with putting smiles on peoples' faces as he kills them. He keeps his nickname from the army.
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*Did he enlist or was he conscripted? And besides, when put under pressure, people break in different ways.
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[[WMG: "Private Pyle" was a murderous psychopath all along]]
All Woobie-ness aside, just look at the guy: he's out of shape, he's forgetful, he's clumsy, he gets scared easily, and he has the worst discipline of anyone in the platoon. Sound like a potential serial killer? No, but it doesn't exactly sound like a potential Marine either. Shooting is literally the ''only'' skill that he has going for him. So why did he even consider enlisting? If he was really so set on serving his country, couldn't he have signed up for the Army or Navy instead? It wouldn't have been a cakewalk, but it wouldn't have been nearly as hellish for him as life in the Marines.\\
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My theory is that he had already had murderous tendencies for most of his life, so he jumped at the chance to channel his aggression into ''legally'' killing for the Marines. He only realized what a mistake this was when he actually got to camp, and found out how terrible he was at everything military-related that didn't actually involve killing. His skill on the firing range seems to indicate that he had prior experience with guns, so it's definitely possible that he'd tried to prepare for a future shooting spree when he was younger. His murderous breakdown at the end wasn't the result of stress and anger at all--it was just him finally letting go of the aggression that he'd been holding back for years, since he realized that he had nothing left to lose.
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All Woobie-ness aside, just look at the guy: he's out of shape, he's forgetful, he's clumsy, he gets scared easily, and he has the worst discipline of anyone in the platoon. Sound like a potential serial killer? No, but it doesn't exactly sound like a potential Marine either. Shooting is literally the ''only'' skill that he has going for him. So why did he even consider enlisting? If he was really so set on serving his country, couldn't he have signed up for the Army or Navy instead? It wouldn't have been a cakewalk, but it wouldn't have been nearly as hellish for him as life in the Marines.\\
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My theory is that he had already had murderous tendencies for most of his life, so he jumped at the chance to channel his aggression into ''legally'' killing for the Marines. He only realized what a mistake this was when he actually got to camp, and found out how terrible he was at everything military-related that didn't actually involve killing. His skill on the firing range seems to indicate that he had prior experience with guns, so it's definitely possible that he'd tried to prepare for a future shooting spree when he was younger. His murderous breakdown at the end wasn't the result of stress and anger at all--it was just him finally letting go of the aggression that he'd been holding back for years, since he realized that he had nothing left to lose.
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