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29th Mar '18 2:10:21 PM madorosh
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** Many men joined the Marines because they knew they were subject to the draft, and tried to circumvent going to a bad Army unit. The belief was if they are going to fight in Vietnam anyway, may as well be in an all-volunteer outfit. So in essence, many Marines were unwilling, or at least less than enthusiastic volunteers.
22nd Dec '17 8:18:32 PM YT45
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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[EliteAreMoreGlamourous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.

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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[EliteAreMoreGlamourous [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.
22nd Dec '17 8:15:53 PM YT45
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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[EliteAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.

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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[EliteAreMoreGlamorous [[EliteAreMoreGlamourous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.
18th Dec '17 8:44:35 AM YT45
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* Literally millions of Americans grow up shooting rifles who have no desire to murder anyone. Him already knowing how to shoot (or not knowing and just being naturally talented) isn’t indicative of anything. For many people, target shooting is a nonviolent (shooting people is violent, shooting a paper circle isn’t) recreational activity. And as I already said, he may have never touched a weapon before and just had a natural talent for marksmanship. That happens sometimes.
18th Dec '17 8:34:55 AM YT45
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He develops an obsession with smiles after the chilling memory of Pyle's death and now has an obsession with putting smiles on peoples' faces as he kills them. He keeps his nickname from the Marines.

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He develops an obsession with smiles after the chilling memory of Pyle's death and now has an obsession with putting smiles on peoples' faces as he kills them. He keeps his nickname from the Marines.

[[WMG: Joker will eventually become a “Stolen Valor” case.]]
While not ''entirely'' a coward, Joker isn’t particularly brave. We see this when he does nothing to stop Pyle before he loads his weapon (which could have prevented two senseless deaths, including Pyle’s), during the first wave of the Tet Offensive, when he nervously stutters “I hope they’re just fucking with us!” and during the sniper scene, where he instantly goes from best friend to TheLoad for Cowboy, who is as scared as anyone but doesn’t let it control him. At the same time, Joker often brags about wanting to see combat, and later about combat he’s been in, as well as the BadassBoast on his helmet. Granted, Joker is clearly a fairly intelligent and educated individual with some rather deep philosophical views on war—though on some level he also seems to think he’s the smartest one around, and he may even be right about that from time to time, though not as often as he thinks—, and his bravado about wanting to be a killer is probably deliberate irony on his part, but he also overcompensates with other
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Joker seems to really, really ''want'' to fit in with Cowboy’s platoon, despite being a “POG” reporter who only occasionally sees danger. They seem okay with him at first, and he doesn’t cause any problems as long as nothing happens that likely means ''he'' might get killed, but the moment things really go sideways, when they take a wrong turn in Hue City, Joker immediately turns into a chattering wreck. His best friend Cowboy has to give him a not-at-all-friendly “Joker, shut the ''fuck'' up!” before his nervous talk starts affecting morale or discipline. Even when hunting the sniper, Joker seems less motivated by any desire to fight the enemy or avenge his friend than by the fact that Animal Mother will probably shoot him if he doesn’t. To use Animal Mother’s own words, Joker talks the talk, but he doesn’t walk the walk at all.\\
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Amongst the gamut of [[PhonyVeteran fake veterans]] are cases of men (and women) who did in fact serve in the military, but claim to have been [[EliteAreMoreGlamorous Special Forces running classified operations]] when they were actually supply clerks in the safe rear area, or claim to have been career soldiers when they actually were kicked out for disciplinary problems after only a year, or they just claim rank and medals they never earned, and these “embellishers” often tell the most colorful, war-crime-laden stories about their supposed experiences, with some even publishing bestselling books. Joker clearly wants those around him to think he’s something he’s not. He will probably carry that with him when he returns to civilian life, spinning Rambo-esque tales of his alleged combat prowess as much to pro-war kids who want to believe in action movies as to anti-war protestors who want to hear about atrocities—as long as they give him the attention he wants, he’ll give them what they want.
24th Jun '17 9:49:51 AM nombretomado
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** The Marines, Navy and Air Force have never had a draft. And even then, less than 1000 Marines were drafted in Vietnam or WorldWarTwo, something which amounted to a recruiter "[[GotVolunteered volunteering]]" Army draftees to meet quotas in both wars. So he enlisted, he wasn't drafted.

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** The Marines, Navy and Air Force have never had a draft. And even then, less than 1000 Marines were drafted in Vietnam or WorldWarTwo, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, something which amounted to a recruiter "[[GotVolunteered volunteering]]" Army draftees to meet quotas in both wars. So he enlisted, he wasn't drafted.
16th Jun '17 9:08:27 AM AHI-3000
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[[WMG: Private Joker, scarred by his experiences, grows up to be [[{{ComicBook/Joker}} a supervillain]].]]

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[[WMG: Private Joker, scarred by his experiences, grows up to be [[{{ComicBook/Joker}} [[ComicBook/TheJoker a supervillain]].]]
16th Jun '17 9:07:43 AM AHI-3000
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[[WMG: "Private Pyle" was a murderous psychopath all along]]

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[[WMG: "Private Pyle" was a murderous psychopath all along]]along.]]



[[WMG: Private Joker, scarred by his experience grows up to be a super villain]]

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[[WMG: Private Joker, scarred by his experience experiences, grows up to be [[{{ComicBook/Joker}} a super villain]]supervillain]].]]
30th Sep '15 12:44:01 PM maxwellsilver
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** The Marines, Navy and Air Force have never had a draft. And even then, less than 1000 Marines were drafted in Vietnam or WorldWarTwo, something which amounted to a recruiter "volunteering" Army draftees to meet quotas in both wars. So he enlisted, he wasn't drafted.

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** The Marines, Navy and Air Force have never had a draft. And even then, less than 1000 Marines were drafted in Vietnam or WorldWarTwo, something which amounted to a recruiter "volunteering" "[[GotVolunteered volunteering]]" Army draftees to meet quotas in both wars. So he enlisted, he wasn't drafted.
1st Mar '15 1:44:48 PM demonfiren
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** The Marines, Navy and Air Force have never had a draft. And even then, less than 1000 Marines were drafted in Vietnam or World WarTwo, something which amounted to a recruiter "volunteering" Army draftees to meet quotas in both wars. So he enlisted, he wasn't drafted.

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** The Marines, Navy and Air Force have never had a draft. And even then, less than 1000 Marines were drafted in Vietnam or World WarTwo, WorldWarTwo, something which amounted to a recruiter "volunteering" Army draftees to meet quotas in both wars. So he enlisted, he wasn't drafted.
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