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19th May '13 10:28:24 AM SomeGamerKid

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Sorry but... if it references something else as fiction, it can't be in the same universe.

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11th May '13 6:23:55 AM Korval

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[[WMG: September's interference with Walternate's cure was ''deliberate'', as part of saving the world and his son]]
Sit tight, this is a long one.

In the ''original''-original timeline, the one that the Observers first came from (ie: their past didn't have ''Observers'' in it), Blue-Peter died, but Red-Peter was saved by Walternate's cure. This means that Walter never had to cross dimensions, and thus no conflict between the two began. Whether Red-Peter got together with Red-Olivia is irrelevant; what matters is that the two universes never had any cross-talk outside of Walter's viewing window.

By interfering in this event, September created the Blue/Red timeline. However, we know how that timeline ends: with the destruction of both universes. So that means the Observers won't exist. Therefore, because of the magnitude of his interference, the Observers allow him to make various changes to ensure that their future continues to exist as normal.

The most important of these being the rescue of Peter and Walter from the lake. However, that's not enough; Walter already doomed both universes by breaking through at all. Therefore, the Observers have to make various changes that allow the Machine to come into being, thus creating a stable time loop that allows their future to exist.

However, there isn't supposed to be a Peter Bishop in the Blue universe. So the Observers simply erase him from existence after creating the machine that stabilizes the universes. The machine is really all the Observers need.

But September needs Peter for his plan. And he needs Peter in the Blue universe, since that's the universe that the Observers are interested in (their interest in Walternate finding the cure is purely in that the event means that Walter won't break the universe to save Red-Peter). The only way to get Peter in the Blue universe was to interfere in that one event, thus creating conflict and cross-talk between the two universes.

In a way, September is a lot like Walter; he was willing to destroy two universes to save his son. Though to be fair, September was also saving the world from his future people too.

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[[WMG: The Observers are outcasts in their society who want to find a way to fix the world of their time]]
* The Observers managed to avoid becoming SenseFreak's like the rest of their society as shown in Letters of Transit and have used that to allow themselves to be able to travel back in time to observe events related to the pattern which could give them technology and knowledge of how the world was wrecked and how to fix it, provided that they don't interfere and change the future.
[[WMG: Theories regarding the Future of 2036 AD shown in the episode "Letters of Transit" go here:]]
* "Letters of Transit" is the future of the original, Blue/Red Timeline, not the Amber Timeline:
** Evidence: The existence of Henrietta "Etta" Bishop (Blue Olivia and Red Peter's child?)
*** Peter and Fauxlivia's child was a boy named Henry.
* "Letters of Transit" depicted another the future of the Amber Timeline:
** Evidence: If we consider Amber Olivia as essentially Blue Olivia now that Blue Olivia's memories have dominated her; also the survival of William Bell in amber begs the question of which timeline leads to "Letters of Transit."
** Further Evidence: Etta can prevent herself from being "read" by the Observers (if the timeline wasn't reset, then maybe she has this ability because her father was Redverse Peter who appeared in the Amber Timeline, a man from "outside time" somewhat like the Observers themselves.)
*** If in the Amber Timeline the Observers can read Peter, the above presumption would be Jossed, but "Letters" could still have shown the Amber Timeline's future.
*** Etta's ability might come from Olivia recently being injected with Cortexiphan.
* "Letters of Transit" depicts a possible future of a completely different timeline we haven't seen yet:
** Evidence: William Bell is still alive and preserved in Amber.
* That's not William Bell at all:
** The ambered William Bell could be one of the Human-Shapeshifters.
* Amber-Timeline William Bell traveled forward through time to the year 2015, where he got ambered with the rest of the original Fringe Team:
** This might mean we are dealing with the future of the Amber Timeline, as William Bell's death (unexplained in that timeline) could have been just a disappearance due to TimeTravel.
* The original Observers like August, September, etc. were of a different, more benevolent (or at least, less aggressive) caste of future Post-Humans than the "neo-Observers" who were depicted as ruling a post-apocalyptic Earth in "Letters of Transit"
** Evidence: In "The End of All Things," September told Peter that he was a member of a scientific observation team, and that September was a code name. Captain Windmark (Wenmoc?) and the other Observers in the year 2036 do not behave like detached scientists on a research mission. They take a much more active role by subjugating the human "natives." They also appear to enjoy parties and loose women. They also lack the distinctive odd cadence to their speech that the previous Observers displayed (though maybe this comes from living alongside modern-day humans for 20 years). Walter himself even says "They're not all bad. One of them, called September, tried to help us." Perhaps the "Scientific Team" represents a different political or cultural faction of future posthumans than the Observers who took over the world in 2015?
* Resetting the Timeline from Blue to Amber resulted in the future shown in "Letters of Transit."
* Resetting the Timeline from Amber to Blue resulted in the future shown in "Letters of Transit."
* Resetting the Timeline from Amber to something else entirely (not Blue) resulted in the future shown in "Letters of Transit."
* If the future shown in "Letters of Transit" is explored further in Season 5, the show will focus on the similarities between that future and the present of the Redverse:
** Rationing. Environmental degradation. Coffee unavailable except as some kind of chewable substitute. A war with an extradimensional foe. Also, now that a particular piece of Walter's brain has been restored, I would not be surprised if 2036-Walter shows more and more signs of becoming like Walternate. The Fringe Division certainly seemed to see Walter as a new hope for the human race, possibly even a potential leader, like his Redverse counterpart, the Secretary of Defense and leader of Redverse Fringe Division.
* It's been pretty firmly established that "Letters of Transit" and all of Season 5 so far takes place in the future of the Amber Timeline.

[[WMG: The Observers are all anomalies in the timeline...]]

* ...and September is Henry Bishop.
** [[spoiler: Jossed]]

[[WMG: The 4th season (or possibly the mid-season break) will end the Amber-timeline and restore the Blueverse to its original state.]]
* Leading to the world's most epic, "Hey, where ya been?"
* Given that Peter needs to have a baby with BlueOlivia, this looks increasingly likely.

[[WMG: In the Amber-Timeline, as in the original timeline, Walternate was both aware of another universe and had sent shapeshifters over before our Walter.]]
* The experiments that allowed Rebecca Kibner to recognize people from the alternate universe predated Walter's trip there to save//kidnap Peter. The episode implies Rebecca had seen shapeshifters in the 70's. We also have hints that Bell had already traveled to the alternate universe, and according to Walter, the shapeshifters were designed by Bell as part of his work for Walternate and the AU Department of Defense. We don't know which side crossed first, but the flashback in "Peter" definitely wasn't the first crossing, though our Walter believes it was.

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[[WMG: Walternate wants to steal the rest of the machine from our side]]
This explains everything (plot-relevant) he's done this season so far:
* Replacing Olivia with Fauxlivia, then using her to set both Peter and Walter on constructing the machine.
* Brainwashing Olivia and then using her as research into crossing over safely.
This way he can get his DoomsdayDevice up and running, and then (should the crossing over research pan out)swoop in and grab both Peter and the device, then activate it.
** Confirmed as part of his plan at the very least.

[[WMG: [[HesJustHiding Newton's Just Hiding.]]]]
He's cheated death before (recovery from decapitation anybody?). Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Newton would be around to stare balefully at Fauxlivia as she is exposed, MagnificentBastard that he is.

[[WMG: Agent Dunham is going to quit the FBI and start working with Massive Dynamic.]]
Agent Dunham gets kidnapped, and the first thing the Feds do is put her under arrest and assign a convicted felon with a grudge against her to be her supervisor and be generally obstructive. After a few more episodes of this, she's going to decide she's had enough and take up Nina Sharp's offer.

[[WMG: Agent Dunham killed Walter's lab assistant]]
17 years ago, a lab assistant was killed in a fire in Walter's lab. A little more than 17 years ago (give or take a few years, maybe) Olivia was struggling with her drug-induced mental powers, and she was ''starting fires with her mind.'' Coincidence? quite possibly, but can you imagine?

[[WMG: Astrid is in love with Olivia]]
She's willing to take care of Walter because if Walter goes back to St. Claire's, she won't be involved with the Fringe Division anymore, and won't be able to be near Olivia. Seeing Olivia in her underwear when she goes into the tank now and then helps too. There's not really a lot backing this up, but dammit, [[GirlOnGirlIsHot I can dream, can't I?]]
* Well, her actress, Jasika Nicole, [[RealLifeWritesThePlot is in fact lesbian...]]
* She either told Walter or he picked up on it on his own and then incorporated it into his story in "Brown Betty." See the LesYay entry on the main page.
* Season 4 will be all about SS Wastrid.

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[[WMG: Peter is a clone of Walter]]
The episode "The Same Old Story" gave many possible hints to this. Walter [[DisappearedDad left Peter's life]] when Peter was 13 and yet seems to know so much about him. He says 80% of Caucasians are born with blue eyes, but Peter's were green. He says Peter was always patient. Peter counters that by saying Walter doesn't know him well enough to make that statement, but Walter tells him there is "much he doesn't know." He tells Peter he always had a way with women; seeing he hasn't seen Peter since he was 13, there was no way he should have known that. Walter says that because ''he'' had a way with women. When discussing the 80-year-old baby, he said it was identical to the experiments he conducted 30 years ago. ''Peter is 30.'' Then there is that cryptic conversation at the end where he assumes Olivia knows about Peter because she read through his files and knows his medical history. When Olivia says she only knows his birthday and nothing else, Walter keeps his mouth shut and shrugs it off.
* Furthermore, Walter repeatedly mistakes things about himself (things that happened in childhood, his favorite things, etc) for things about his son.
* Coffee Yogurt anyone?
* Or Walter is a timetraveler and he semi-consciously knows stuff about Peter. Furthermore his time-space destination is the fateful day/night when the laboratory is burned, but thanks to his intervention the fire is started and secondly the Walter from the future was imprisoned to the penitentiary, the old Walter is somehow dead...
* Combination: Walter is a time traveling version of Peter. Or Peter is a version of Walter from the alternate world.
* Something: Walter is a [[Series/DoctorWho Time Lord]] and Peter is a future regeneration. Or the other way around.

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[[WMG: Walter is behind everything.]]
* Aware of his imminent commitment, he arranged for his research to fall into outside hands. Why? Because they'd need to get him out of the asylum to deal with any resulting situations. Not the most grandiose of devious plots, but hey, he's insane.
** Interestingly enough we have just found out that Walter wrote the manifesto that the "bad guys" (they haven't given them an official name yet)follow was written by Bishop, though he doesn't seem to remember doing it.
** He also preformed the experiments on Olivia when she was a child, and he also built the teleporter among other things. He also knows that he wrote the manifesto and ran the experiments and hasn't told anyone about it.
** Additionally, Water could have realized that TheWorldIsNotReady for his technology, and started the fire in his lab on purpose in an attempt to kill William Bell, followed by him pleading insanity, leading to his institutionalization. However, since Bell survived the fire, he was able to form Massive Dynamics [[spoiler:and fund ZFT]], leading to the Pattern.

[[WMG: The Observer is: ]]
* An Agent of The Pattern
** He rescued the Bishops because he knew that Walter's experiments would be put to use in The Pattern. Now he's watching the results of Pattern experiments to see how they go.
* An Opponent of The Pattern
** He works for a rival group who wants to stop whatever The Pattern is planning. His role is to gather information about the experiments and report them to his superiors so that they can figure out how to thwart what's happening.
* [[HalfLife Another G-Man]]
** They show up at odd events and don't really fit in, yet they go unnoticed by ordinary people until they make themselves known. Their vocal inflections show that they are not normal. Neither can get hurt (yet), and they can move easily through time and space.
* While rewatching the first season in preparation for the second, This Troper had an idea at the end of "Inner Child": What if The Observer is the future of that kid, who traveled back in time for some reason? At the end of the episode, they share a strange moment...
* What if the Observers are the surviours of what killed off the First People? Who now hang around to make sure that history doesn't repeat itself.
*** Jossed, the Observer is a part of a science expedition from the future

[[WMG: Psychokinesis and Dark Matter will be the "fringe sciences" most significant to the plot.]]
* In the intro with all the terms flying around, "psychokinesis" shows up twice. So does "dark matter." Maybe they'll both play a significant role, or maybe the creators couldn't think of any more fringe sciences.
* It should be noted that Olivia has just demonstrated psychokinesis. And alternate realities could be the cause of dark matter phenomena.

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[[WMG: The ZFT was written by Walter's equivalent from the alternate universe]]

The ending to "Ability" suggests that it was written on his typewriter, but that he doesn't remember writing it, plus the whole "ScienceIsBad and will kill us all" message doesn't sound like him. It was written by his evil double who has an opposing agenda but, InSpiteOfANail, the same typewriter.
* Which could mean that Olivia's universe ''is'' the other universe referred to by the manuscript...
** [[spoiler:Confirmed]] in Over There: Part 1.
*** Sort of. It's a book called ZFT, but it's not the same book as ZFT in the main Fringe-verse. Recall that ZFT-Prime describes the conflict between parallel universes in the multiverse. [[spoiler:However, Alter-Olivia was familiar with Alter-ZFT, but knew nothing of a parallel universe. Instead she thought that the pattern (described in both books) was the natural decay of the universe, a series of "environmental catastrophes" that Alternate Fringe Division was assigned to investigate and fight.]] So they're definitely not the same book.
**** [[spoiler: Walternate reveals that he wrote the book partly as a coverup for man-made events on the other side.]]

[[WMG: William Bell and Walter Bishop are the same person.]]
Strange isn't it that Bell and Bishop were close associates in the old days, yet we've never seen Mr. Bell in person, not even a photograph? In fact, Nina Sharp appears to be the only person who has interacted with Mr. Bell recently. Plus: W.B. and W.B.
* Jossed in the season 1 finale.

[[WMG: The teleporter turned Mr. Jones into Man-Bat.]]
He will then kill Walter, Peter will swear revenge and use the Tank and ''lots'' of drugs to gain a life time of experience and kick ass.
* {{Jossed}}. It just ''really'' messed up his face and forced him to wear bandages to cover his decaying flesh.

[[WMG: William Bell and Walter Bishop are Peter's parents.]]
Through the wonders of science and a donated female egg, Peter has two daddies. It was either a gay fling or they wanted to created the perfect man and they didn't trust any woman's genes except for Olive's and she wasn't born yet. Fringe... because they did Mpreg. Now let's go there.

[[WMG: Massive Dynamic is not corrupt, and in fact is trying to save the world. ]]
Because no one would see it coming.
* Given how the [=FBI=] acts in this 'verse, it's not that far-fetched.
* Surprisingly confirmed (though they still do some pretty messed up stuff).

[[WMG: The Observer is the key to everything ]]
The Observer is from the other world, sent to this world to evaluate it for invasion. After saving Walter's life there was an exchange of information, probably mentally. This leads Walter to write the manifesto and team up with William Bell to start preparing for the invasion. The experiments made him go insane and William went on to found Massive Dynamics as a way to prepare the tools needed to stop the invasion.

At the same time this exchange of information made the Observer question his mission and he goes rogue. He's now trying to keep his own people from invading, sending the probes back before they can call 'home' and watching what is going on.

His people know he's gone rouge, and have recruited others to help with preparing the invasion, including David Robert Jones.

The child Observer is from Walter's world, and proof of the worlds getting closer.

[[WMG: The Peter in the series is the Peter from the other world]]
So Walter always talks about things from Peter's childhood, but Peter doesn't remember them. Furthermore, the most recent episode shows Walter [[spoiler: going to a grave that says 'Peter Bishop' and lists his death date in 1985.]] If that happened, then perhaps Walter went to the other world in the 1980s, took Peter, and then raised him in this world. This would also explain why he got involved in all of this in the first place: he wanted to get Peter.
* [[spoiler:confirmed by WordOfGod]]

[[WMG: In the other world, everything is [[WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}} different by one coin flip]].]]
* Well, that seems to be how Walter explained it in a scenario of whether you choose to go to work or stay home.
* Additionally, [[spoiler:William Bell]] explain that the other universe is the way it is due to people making different choices.
* [[spoiler:Confirmed, of all things, in [=S03E14=] "6B". At least, this happens some of the time; the plot of the episode hinges on a coin toss that went differently in the two universes, but not all differences can be so easily explained.]]
** [[spoiler: But it still works with choices! [[FridgeBrilliance they picked different coin faces in different universes, but the actual flip was exactly the same!]]]]

[[WMG: Nina Sharp lost her arm as a result of a world-breaching experiment.]]

The season finale showed us [[spoiler: what happens to someone who gets caught "between worlds". Perhaps Nina was present during one of Bell's experiments and reached her arm through an alt-world portal, only to have the portal close and take her arm with it.]]
* Somewhat Jossed. Supplementary material says she was infected with cancer and had to have her arm amputated.
** [[spoiler:Un-Jossed (?) in S02-E16--we see her lose her arm in the gate.]]

[[WMG: The BigBad will be Alternate Walter]]
The season finale has the strong implication that [[spoiler: Walter stole the Peter we know from the alternate universe after the death of the original]]. We also know that the alternate universe seems to be dealing with some sort of unspecified chaos, and that our Walter invented a device with the specific intention of preventing someone coming through from the alternate universe. Given the lengths Walter has gone to [[spoiler: to get his son back after he died from illness, it stands to reason that alternate Walter would go a hell of a lot further if someone just suddenly appeared out of nowhere and abducted his kid, and is currently wreaking havoc in his efforts to breach the dimensional barrier]].
* The Walter we saw when he went back to the asylum was Other!Walter, who had been terrorizing him during the entirety of his previous stay there.
* Other!Walter could also have started the fire in the lab, killing the young lab assistant.
** [[spoiler: Proven absolutely, positively correct.]]

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[[WMG: Olivia's alternate universe counterpart is a man.]]
Olivia spent the pilot desperately trying to save her horribly injured, helpless romantic partner, and she's by far the most physically violent character on the show. She's also had telepathic contact with two different men, which led to her confusing her thoughts with theirs. We've even seen her [[{{Fanservice}} make out with a female stripper]], as part of the same telepathic link. So the show is constantly using Olivia as a "male" character, and the next step is to see the actual male version of Olivia. Obviously the other universe has an Oliver Dunham, born at exactly the same time as Olivia and with the same genetic makeup as her, except for having a Y chromosome where she has an X.
* [[spoiler:Jossed]] in Over There: Part 1. [[spoiler:Though alt-Olivia does have red hair, so there might be some genetic differences..unless one or both of them dye their hair.]]

[[WMG: The Observer is an extradimensional being, a human from an [[EvolutionaryLevels evolutionarily accelerated]] world.]]
The young observer child is not the only such being. The G-Man in that episode reported that they had found "another" one, with the implication that similar children had been found elsewhere. The child and others like him are mutant humans with genetic traits that future apocalyptic events will select for in Darwinian fashion. Such children will inherit the world and one day create an Observer civilization in this universe. However, in another universe, this has already happened. And the Observers from that accelerated universe are invading or preparing to invade ours.
** I thought this was {{Jossed}} is Seasons 2 and 3, but now, with the latest Season 4 episode, "Letters of Transit," this theory might actually still be valid, at least in that timeline, if not others. So the Observers are actually from one (or more?) possible futures, not just an evolutionarily accelerated parallel world (though that's basically a minor point). But they are planning to invade, or at some point decide to stop observing and take over because their own Future Earth can no longer support life. It's still possible that the mysterious Child from Season 1 and others like him are the Observers' direct ancestors.

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[[WMG: Peter switched universes with William Bell]]
It seems clear that Peter got sent from the other universe ''somehow'', even though that's not normally possible, and that William Bell got sent over there ''somehow'', even though that's not normally possible, and now William Bell can't come back. So William Bell, to help Walter Bishop get his dead son back, switched universes with alternate-universe Peter via some special "exchange program" sort of rule.
* [[spoiler:Jossed: In S02-E16, we see Walter retrieve Peter from the other universe; Bell does not cross over at that time.]]

[[WMG: The letters that Olivia tried to put together in Dream Logic weren't meant to spell "You're gonna be fine"]]
* They were meant to spell...
** "You been on a fringe". Which is... y'know.. true. She's in pretty much all the episodes.

[[WMG: Charlie Francis is coming back]]
In the episode with the Combusto-twins, it was established that the alternate universe held an alternate Charlie Francis. Just because the one from this universe died does not mean that his actor can hit the bricks. I foresee Charlie having quite a bit to do with the upcoming arc, much to the surprise of Dunham and the rest. Assumed from Peter's being kidnapped from the alternate world.
* [[spoiler: Called it! He's shaved and infested with spiders, but he's back!]]

[[WMG: [[spoiler: Walter's abduction of Peter from a parallel universe]] was the catalyst for the entire series]]
[[spoiler: Other!Walter witnessed his son's abduction by Walter but was unable to stop it. Although he was overcome with grief, Other!Walter managed to keep a clear head and realize that a meeting of two universes would lead to the detruction of one of them. He wrote down the ZFT Manifesto and spread it around, using his research to create an army to forcibly ensure his world's survival. He has been behind every single Pattern event. While Other!Walter is very determined to make sure he succeeds in his mission, he is also secretly working to reunite with Peter and take him back home. He is unaware of William Bell hiding out in his universe.]]
* [[spoiler:Seems pretty much confirmed; we now know that Walternate is the BigBad, and the other universe didn't seem to have any dimension-hopping technology until Walter stole Walternate's son, so at this point it'd be more surprising if this isn't the case.]]

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[[WMG: Astrid is the child of Walter's dead lab assistant.]]
This explains why she's willing to play babysitter to a whacko: she's looking for the perfect chance to kill him because "he went too far" or the like. She's gone out of her way to get him out of trouble because ''she'' [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou wants to be the one who kills him]].
* However she since become the mask, as it had been a long time and she still hadn't killed him. And she seems to be more friendly towards him. Atrid while she fist got the job, Walter and the others, even the odd life had since grown on her. And she since left her original plane.

[[WMG: Astrid is the secret love child of Nina Sharp and Phillip Broyles.]]
Sharp and Broyles had something romantic going on. Astrid is the product of this something and was adopted as an infant by who she now thinks are her parents.
* Sadly, sadly Jossed. We see Astrid's father later on in the series.

[[WMG: Mad Science is part of the Bishop bloodline]]
''The Bishop Revival'' reveals that Walter's father Robert was involved in the same sorts of experiments Walter did. Peter will eventually grow more erratic and follow in the footsteps of his ancestors.

[[WMG: The two universes are going to intersect completely on 5/20/10]]
Why else would Walter and William Bell try so hard to commit that series of numbers to memory?
** It's the date that part II of the SeasonFinale will air, so...
** Possibly Jossed, as that episode has come and gone, and no total intersection.

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[[WMG: Fringe exists in the same universe as both House and Law&Order:SpecialVictimsUnit.]]
The number of sick people in House and the number of sickos in L&O:SVU are part of The Pattern, except no one at Fringe has seen it because that's not precisely "paranormal," it's just odd.

[[WMG: Series/{{Fringe}} and {{Primeval}} take place in the same universe]]
* In the BadFuture of [[spoiler:The Day We Died]] there is mention of a giant wormhole leading several milion years in the past. The dino-wormholes in {{Primeval}} are the result of the two (or more) universes coming into conflict. The Primeval team is Britain's version of the Fringe division.
** Further evidence? In the Season Four episode "Nothing As It Seems", the [[spoiler: creatures seen on the boat ]]are remarkably similar to the creatures seen in "Primeval", esp. the crawly millipede thingy. Yikes.

[[WMG: The Bishops are [[Webcomic/GirlGenius Sparks]]]]
* Nobody's put this up before? I'm amazed. Anyway, they're a family that somehow manages to "break through" later in life than other Sparks of comparable strength (which causes their first creations to be much less dangerous than other Sparks'). Walter's "breakthrough" was his first success in fringe science, or maybe cortexiphan, and Peter's has yet to appear.

[[WMG: WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime is all one of Walter's long LSD trips.]]
John Noble plays Unicron, one of the [[BigBad Big Bads]] in the show, and it's not hard to imagine someone under the influence of drugs imagining he's an evil Satan {{Expy}} robot who comes out of a volcano and tries to crush things.
** Alternatively, Unicron is actually an alternate-universe Walter. I could see Walternate becoming a planet for the "greater good" and then going mad with power and entering into OmnicidalManiac mode.

[[WMG: Fringe is a darker and edgier retelling of Futurama]]
It makes perfect sense. Crazy mad scientist, action girl whose alternate-universe counterpart has red hair, scientist's relative whose unusual birth circumstances grant him an important ability, the only non-white people are the bureaucrat and the mad scientist's assistant. Clearly Gene will be revealed to be behind the entire series.

[[WMG: The AlternateUniverse is the same one from HetaliaBloodbath2010.]]
While it doesn't quite explain why the [[spoiler:Parallel!Nations]] go around naked, their quest to find a certain mark to save their world could be a side-effect if not a direct result of the Fringe team's universe-shattering and time-traveling adventures.

[[WMG: [[TheSlenderManMythos The Slender Man]] is an Observer who got hit by the [[TheBlank orifice-sealing]] stuff]]
It would explain his fashion sense and how he can teleport.

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[[folder: Active]]
These are [=WMGs=] which are neither {{Jossed}} nor [[IKnewIt Confirmed]] by the end of the series.

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* The writers have said that Season 3 is going to be half 'This Side' and half 'The Other Side', meaning HALF of Season 3 is going to be with the alternate, military Fringe Division.

[[WMG: Season 3 Episode 1 is going to consist of Olivia gaining/regaining the use of a ton of powers, busting out of the cell she's in, and escaping the alternate universe on her own]]
Well, Bishop and Bell keep saying that she was their best subject/creation. We've seen video evidence that she can light fires when she's afraid, we know that her ability to see Alt!Objects kicked back in when she was afraid, and she turned the light board off when she was afraid. Considering that now she's in solitary confinement, I'd say the chances of her TakeALevelInBadass are fairly high.
* [[spoiler: {{Jossed}} by MindRape]]

[[WMG: In the Alternate Universe, George W. Bush was killed in office and replaced by Dick Cheney in in 9/11.]]
The increased militarization and regimentation in the alternate universe is partly a response to this. Evidence: we know the White House was damaged or destroyed on 9/11/2001 instead of the Twin Towers.
Because it means we get more Charlie and a cheerfully nonchalant version of Olivia.

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[[WMG: The Superweapon Walternate is building is of alien origin]]

* Made pretty clear in Season 3, Episode 2. It is mentioned that the technology thats part of the Superweapon is quite [[AncientAstronauts ancient]]. The appearance of the devices themselves have a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien look to them, their segmented appearance and odd, bronze tinted coloration resembling nothing we saw in either universe. To top it off, they have odd runes on them that just ''scream'' alien. Further supported by Walter's speculation that the Cortexiphan-fuelled abilities were common throughout humanity until their disappearance. At the point, it simply came off like Walter's usual crazed speculations but what if it was {{foreshadowing}}?
** Not to mention an alien entity ''did'' appear in ''Earthling''.
** {{Jossed}} it was really built by [[spoiler: A race of humans that evolved millions of years ago]]
*** It was built by the [[Series/StargateSG1 Ancients]]. C'mon, leaving a piece of universe-destroying technology around is JUST their sort of [[NeglectfulPrecursor thing.]] (As well as the detail in spoiler text above).
**** Jossed, the superweapon from the First People was built by Walter and sent back in time.

[[WMG: The series finale will reveal the point where the two universes split.]]
Because it just seems like an obvious place to end the story. The superweapon will be fired, causing the universe to split in two, and its parts will be scattered.

[[WMG: Sam Weiss is the Real BigBad]]
Everything else is just him manipulating events behind the scenes to his advantage.

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[[WMG: The Peter Doomsday machine was invented by [[Series/{{Alias}} Rambaldi.]]]]
Ancient tech, a strange and potentially apocalyptic machine powered by one chosen man, pieces that need to be found? It's got to be Rambaldi.
* It also explains why Arvin Sloane [[http://www.fringetelevision.com/2008/08/fringe-televison-talks-to-jr-orci-part_19.html planted a spy within Fringe division (Gene the Cow.)]]

[[WMG: Walter isn't actually to blame for the breakdown of the Alternate Universe.]]
We know that the observers and inhabitants of the Alternate Universe have repeatedly traveled to our universe without consequences nearly as severe. Sure sci-fi science is possible now, but we've experienced no 'black holes' that would warent the quarantine procedure. I realize Hollywood science is deliberately in play, but I just don't buy that one trip, granted a hasty trip using a machine that probably barely worked, could cause more damage than multiple and continuing trips. I think there are two good guesses as to what's really going on.
1: Walternate has lied or exaggerated about the severity of the dangers his universe faces, in order to gain the power he needs to pull off the revenge he has planned. Note that Fringe Division reacted to our Cortexifan heros entering their universe by almost quarantining it right then and there, only stopping because it stabilized. In the next season, we see that the theatre gets ambered anyway, probably under orders from Walternate, who wanted to keep Olivia over there. Who's to say that most of the other 'events' that have resulted in quarantine wouldn't have stabilized/not created a 'black hole'. All Walternate would have had to've done to convince their government to start the quarantine procedures is create one or two disasters and then lie about it. I mean he's a mad scientist, come on. Because of the scope of these tragedies, the government would do whatever would prevent more from happening, sealing off all situations which might create instabilities, and giving Walternate goverment power because he has 'prevented' any more disasters from occurring.
2:There are other universes, one of which is purposely causing the disasters which have been observed in the alternate universe we know of. Who said that there can only be one other universe? If they are using the quantum possibilities explanation, then there's no way there are only two. Look at the differences between them. The divergence point has to be somewhere after or just before the American Revolution. There are far too many similarities between the two for me to accept that they've always been two separate, unconnected universes. Given how different they are, if they had separate histories going back to ancient times, the Roman Empire might not have fallen, or China could have colonized North America, or fish people could have become the dominant species of the planet, or any of a number of things. Where do the Observers come from? They can travel between universes without apparent problems, but don't seem to regard either that we've seen as home. It just makes sense for there to be more universes........within the acceptable breaks from reality we already accept in this show.
** The reason Walters single crossing did more damage then all of the alternate 'verse's crossing is because of the way they cross, Walter's device basically ripped a giant hole in the fabric of both universes, and while their world is having the worst effects, it's already confirmed that ours was also somewhat effected. After that a way was discovered to cross that didn't further damage the realities, but it's extremely dangerous, and has massive, cumulative side effects. which is why they developed the shapeshifters, cause they can use that means without the risks. remember, the first time Walter crossed he went there and back with no personal side effects, but when Walternate came over using the newer version he needed to be put in a hyberbaric chamber and load with medicine to recover.
*** Actually, it ends up being [[spoiler: September]]'s fault. [[spoiler: He distracted Walter during a critical moment in time causing Peter's cure to be destroyed and forcing Walter to cross over to save Alt!Peter. Peter was supposed to go on to father Henry and most of what happened is a result of September trying to fix his pass mistake.]]
[[WMG: The "Observers" are really a remnant of the "First Race" that [[spoiler: built the doomsday machine]]]]
* It just makes sense, it would explain why they are not "quite" human, there greater knowledge, advanced tech, etc...
* Or they're like the [[ChildhoodsEnd Overlords]].
* Or they're [[HalfLife G-men]].
[[WMG: The "First People" will turn out to be a load of crap.]]
Because it's just too ridiculous, even by Fringe standards.
** Well, there's a reason why the show's tagline is [[SerialEscalation beyond the impossible]].
** [[IKnewIt Called it.]]

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[[WMG: The point of divergence for the two universes was when The First People activated the machine]]

Walternate wants it to destroy the other universe, but the mention of its powers of "creation and destruction" suggests it could be used for the opposite. Of course this would take the InSpiteOfANail issues to extremes.

[[WMG: Alternate-verse Gene...]]
Is obviously the [[ManBehindTheMan Cow Behind The Man]] and is secretly using Walternate as an UnwittingPawn!

[[WMG: The Rogue from "The Arrival" was an agent of the parallel universe, probably a shapeshifter]]
Access to ultratech, an unusual interest in Peter and knowledge of the Bishop Family Tree.

[[WMG: Peter knocked up alternate!Olivia]]
This would explain why the observer said it must be difficult for him to be a father before he shot him.
* Or else he was simply musing about Walter's choice, and the thing that 'unites' is not their baby but rather something caused by shooting his gun-thing at Peter. How else do you explain Olivia's lack of tattoo and the backwards landscape?
* Original WMG was [[spoiler:confirmed]] by [=S03E13=] "Immortality."

[[WMG: The Observers are sons of Chronos.]]
Or any other time god/goddess you like; for my purposes, it's Chronos. Think about it. They're present at major events in history, they're supposed to observe but not get involved... because the gods learned a long time ago that interfering can cause wars (which has transmuted into altering the timeline is bad). And they have a dulled sense of taste because they're used to ambrosia.

[[WMG: We will see Christina again.]]
("August") We have to. August died so she wouldn't have to, and September said he'd made her important (ThePowerofLove). She has to come back, in some capacity.

[[WMG: We will see a Tyler at some point.]]
("Of Human Action") We have to, or there wouldn't have been mention of the fact there's more than one of them.

[[WMG: Peter will not survive the series.]]

* One, because having the power to destroy universes can never end well. Even if the crisis is averted, those in power are hardly going to let the bringer of the Apocalypse go off on his merry way. Two, because the Universe(s) hate Olivia Dunham. As much as I like him, I think the poor guy is doomed...
** [[spoiler: No, he doesn't die... he was just be erased from all existence.]]

[[WMG: Season 3 will end with an in-universe reboot.]]

Peter will [[spoiler: choose alt!Olivia over Olivia when he's plugged into the machine]], but the result won't simply be the destruction of the main universe, it'll reboot it. Like was said, the machine is [[spoiler:an engine of destruction or creation, depending on your point of view]]. Rebooting the main universe will allow the writers to bring back dead characters in Season 4 [[spoiler: like non-alt!Peter]] and show what history would have been like if Walter had [[spoiler:saved his own son's life and not kidnapped alt!Peter]]. The only two people to remember what happened in the 'old' universe will be Olivia, due to her reality-hopping abilities, and Peter[[spoiler:, who will be living in the alt!universe as he was always intended to]]. Olivia and Peter coming to remember each other, and realizing they *do* love each other after all, will set up the Big Bad of Season 4: [[spoiler: Peter and Olivia themselves, who will risk damaging both universes again in order to reunite]].

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[[WMG: Peter will get our Olivia pregnant.]]
We know now that [[spoiler:Peter got Altlivia pregnant]] and that every person exists at some point in both universes. Take the example of [[spoiler:alt!Ella and alt!Rachel both being dead]] - even though they're dead, they still existed. And as [[spoiler:Altlivia is now pregnant]] we can either assume that [[spoiler:she will miscarry]] or, more likely considering Walternate's plans for [[spoiler:the Peter/Altlivia child]], Peter will get our Olivia pregnant. Bear in mind that despite differences in the person themself between the universes, their DNA remains constant, so if [[spoiler:Altlivia has the baby, it means that Peter and our Olivia have to have one too.]]
** Err... no they don't. There are people who exist in one universe who don't exist in the other. Case in point, "6B". The old woman was childless in our universe but apparently had kids in the other one. The chances of Peter and Olivia [[spoiler: producing a child genetically identical to Bolivia]]'s are... pretty much non existent. She could be pregnant but that would just push ''Fringe'' into soap opera levels.
** You would think that the chances of both couplings producing a genetically-identical child would be negligable, but it obviously does happen. We still don't know the point of divergance for the two universes, but it clearly predates the births of most of the regular cast meaning that their parents had genetically-identical children at about the same time in both universes.
** Yeah, but these people are probably born at exactly the same time. [[spoiler: Bolivia is six weeks pregnant by the time Peter and Olivia get... friendly.]]

[[WMG: Neither of the two universes is the one that will survive.]]
The Wave Sink Device is "a potential source of all creation, and destruction." Rather than destroying one universe to heal the other, it destroys both so that an entirely new universe can be born, possibly as some sort of cosmic cycle. Each new universe is automatically created with pieces of the device scattered around the world, and the radio signals detailing their location. Thus, when the new universe's humans reach the point where they can decipher the signals, the time to activate the device again is imminent. There is also a caretaker, or a group of them, who crosses from the old universe into the new one, in order to encourage the continued use of the device. [[spoiler: Samuel Weiss/Seamus Wiles]] is the latest of these caretakers, or perhaps has been the only one since the first use of the Device. The two universes are either the result of a botched activation in the previous iteration, or an activation-in-progress in the "alt" universe, which actually preceded the "main" one and will be destroyed when the process is completed, unless Peter chooses to preserve it, aborting the process.
* [[spoiler: This is the ultimate goal of William Bell and David Robert Jones.]]

[[WMG: Alt-Nina (or a shapeshifter) has replaced real Nina.]]
Which is why the show spent so much time focused on her apparently normal hand a few weeks ago.
* She has a glove thingy...
** [[spoiler: Well... eventually.]]

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[[WMG: William Bell is the BigBad of the series.]]
* He's been manipulating Walter, Olivia, Peter, ZFT, the Shapeshifters and everything else to gain control over the Doomsday machine.
** He knew about the device and tonnes of other things from Sam Weiss (see all of his [=WMGs=]).
** The Soul Magnets not only allow Bell to survive his own death, but to inhabit the body of someone else.
** The rapid ageing, originally cropping up in the Pattern (in ''episode 2 of the first season''), allowed for Peter and Fauxlivia's child to come to term and be born safely within a very short space of time. It's likely the rapid ageing will continue.
** Because the child has Peter's DNA, it can operate the machine.
** If the child can somehow be dosed with Soul Magnets, Bell can inhabit his body and use the machine.
* Furthermore, there's a lot of evidence that Bell is playing both sides against the middle. He took pieces of Walter's brain to keep him from remembering how to build the doorway between universes, and was apparently the only person who knew about it: if that's the case, how did Newton know where to find them? Why help Walter to prepare the cortexiphan kids, only to go to the other side and help Walternate create the Shapeshifters, only to ''then'' warn Olivia about their mission? His actions aren't merely neutral: he's actively fanning the flames of conflict between the universes. That suggests he's trying to accomplish some goal that's only possible when the universes are at war.
* He also lied about how the Soul Magnets got in Olivia's system. Yes, when she came to his office on the other side, he gave her a cup of tea, but (and when I rewatched the episode, I double-checked) Olivia didn't drink it. Which presents several possibilities as to how he's possessing Olivia:
** Bell dosed her with Soul Magnets himself at some earlier point in time, e.g. during the Jacksonville experiments.
** Bell dosed her with Soul Magnets at some later point in time, while Olivia was in the alternate universe but before his death. [[Tropers/{{Bronzethumb}} This troper]] believes it's the most likely scenario: Bell may have developed the Magnets some time ago, and when he learned the circumstances of how the Fringe team crossed over and realised that his own sacrifice was the best/easiest way for them to get back, he dosed Olivia before sacrificing himself.
** Bell has an agent who dosed Olivia at some point. This implies that Bell not only has an agenda, but people who agree with it and are willing to follow Bell's instructions after his death/disappearance. The most likely culprit is someone in ZFT, but that organisation may be all but gone after the death of David Robert Jones.
** Olivia was never dosed with Soul Magnets. Bell's ability to possess her is due to something unique about her biology, or related to the cortexiphan trials. This raises further questions about who else he can possess, and whether or not he can possess Peter and Fauxlivia's baby.
*** [[spoiler: I... think you called it.]]
** In "Momentum Deferred" Olivia says she doesn't want any tea, then there's a timeslip with a quick shot of her raising the cup to her mouth. She presumably drank the tea, and the soul magnets, during that timeslip.

[[WMG: Sam Weiss and the Observers are two different offshoots of the First People.]]
* Sam Weiss is all natural. He was born, he's lived for ages and ages and is pretty normal by the standards of humans and First People. Somehow, he survived whatever happened to them.
* The Observers are the surviving consciousnesses of First People who didn't necessarily ''physically'' survive whatever happened to them. They can't reproduce and they don't live forever, so they keep cloning their bodies and transferring their consciousness from one body to the next (''ala'' the soul magnets). After however many years, the cloning process is becoming unreliable and the bodies aren't coming out completely right: the lack of body hair and similar facial features indicate that the bodies are losing their individuality, and the things they eat indicate that their senses are being dulled as well (in the first Observer-heavy episode, September orders raw meat and jalapenos and covers them with Tabasco sauce, and later refuses Walter's root beer float because he wouldn't be able to taste it).
** [[FringeS02E08 August's badassery]] -- catching a bullet and starting a car by simply pressing his finger to the ignition -- indicates that he (and therefore the other Observers) have bodies that are artificial in some way. Compare them to the Shapeshifters, artificial beings made from organic technologies.
* It's possible that in a roundabout way, the Shapeshifters are based on whatever technologies are used to build the Observer bodies. Sam Weiss knew William Bell. If Weiss ''is'' one of the First People, he probably has a very good understanding of the science used to create the Observers. Bell may have learned this science from Weiss and used it to create the Shapeshifters.

[[WMG:There will be a flashback episode in season 4 called "The Secretary".]]
It'll be all about Walternate, and show what he did in the years between learning about Peter's fate and travelling to the prime universe: how the alternate universe was affected and slowly began to fall apart, how society changed, how he became the Secretary of Defence, his opening moves in the war between universes and what (if any) relationship he had with William Bell.

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[[WMG: The first Fringe event on our side...]]
* ...will be at Harvard just like in the alternate universe. And Astrid will be caught in the amber. Why? Because she's a much loved character with little impact on the plot, she means a lot to the Protagonist and the creators seem to really hate them at this point and because apparently the season final is pulling a TonightSomeoneDies.
** [[spoiler: Jossed, thankfully.]]

[[WMG: Sam Weiss was lying out of his arse.]]
* Having access to The First People document shouldn't give him so much information on the nature of the conflict between universes, or teach him how to build a window to the alternate universe. It's possible that he learned all this extra stuff from William Bell, but [[Tropers/{{Bronzethumb}} This troper]] still holds to the theory that Sam is one of the First People. Either way, he's lying when he claims that all he knows is what's in the First People book and a few missing pages.
** I will agree and add that Sam seems much more knowledged and focused on his own then when he is with Olivia. On his own, he was condcting tests, taking notes and observing things. With Olivia, he is just running on "I don't know. I just read the manuscripts". With a bit of FridgeBrilliance, you could make the claim that Weiss was frustrated in this weeks episode not because he has no idea like he claims but that he can't find a way to shake Olivia off and go back to working on his own.

[[WMG: The show will end with Walter going back in time, erasing the events of the entire series in the process.]]
Despite all efforts to fix or neutralize it, the damage to both universes will be so great that both of them will eventually collapse on themselves and be completely annihilated.

Walter, realizing he has to give up his son to save both worlds, decides to go back in time (into his past body) and finally accept Peter's death. He never goes into the alternate universe and destroys the technology, but the memories and horrors of a time-line that never existed will haunt him for the rest of his life. ''His'' universe is saved.

Because Walternate's Peter wasn't taken, he later died... and Walternate thus does the same thing that Walter once did, and opens a portal to an alternate universe (not Walter's, since Peter has already died there, but a ''third'' one not seen in the series). And thus, though some of the characters may be somewhat different, [[EternalRecurrence it all begins again]].

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[[WMG: Olivia will become a WillingChanneler]]
* Olivia has already shared consciousness/been possessed three times in the series so far: John Scott (season 1), [[TheEmpath empathic cortexiphan subject]] Nick Lane ([[Recap/FringeS01E17 "Bad Dreams"]]), and William Bell (season 3). At the end of season 3 Peter never existed anymore, but Olivia may be able to bring him back through this talent.
** Okay, that's not how Peter returns, but the possibility of this power still remains. Olivia's time spent brainwashed as Altlivia is also similar, and the presence of the Mysterious Man In Olivia's Mind ("LSD") suggests that she is rarely alone in her own mind.

[[WMG: Series/{{Fringe}} and {{Primeval}} take place in the same universe]]

* In the BadFuture of [[spoiler:The Day We Died]] there is mention of a giant wormhole leading several milion years in the past. The dino-wormholes in {{Primeval}} are the result of the two (or more) universes coming into conflict. The Primeval team is Britain's version of the Fringe division.
** Further evidence? In the Season Four episode "Nothing As It Seems", the [[spoiler: creatures seen on the boat ]]are remarkably similar to the creatures seen in "Primeval", esp. the crawly millipede thingy. Yikes.

[[WMG: Reserved for predictions about changes to the timeline [[spoiler: brought about by Peter's RetGone.]]]]
Confirmed changes:
* Walter is a shut-in in his lab.
* Olivia is as uptight and professional as she was in Season 1, if not more so.
** Olivia killed her stepfather.
* Fauxlivia's twin switch with Olivia was completely changed; Olivia was only imprisoned rather than brainwashed to believe that she was Fauxlivia
** There was no Cortexiphan Brigade of Peter-rescuers because not only did Peter not exist as an adult, None of the Cortexiphan children were discovered by Fringe team.
** Alt-Broyles is still alive because of this.
*** [[spoiler: Or not. The shapeshifters are back.]]
** Similarly, Fauxlivia never seduced Peter and thus never got pregnant by him, and thus her relationship with Frank is still around.
* Peter died when the ice cracked after Walter brought him back to our universe.
* Bridge between universes was created when Walternate turned on the machine, rather than because of Peter's choice.
* None of the Cortexiphan cases happened, as evidenced in "Subject 9" when the titular character asks about others and is told that he's the first one Fringe Team has found.
* Olivia has known Nina Sharp since childhood now.
Speculation:
* Olivia's cortexiphan abilities have been reset; she hasn't been activated. Based on that Olivia is back to wearing color- Olivia would wear navy suits and light blue or rust red shirts in Season 1 before being activated.
** Confirmed: None of the cortexiphan children were activated, as Olivia ran away during the events of "Subject 13" because Peter wasn't there to get her to confide in Walter, and because of her escape the trials were simply ended inconclusively.
*** Actually, the trials ended ''years'' after Olivia left, perhaps due to the fact that Walter had lost both Peters. It's not explicitly stated that the trials ended because she ran away.
* The other cortexiphan kids have their "side effect" powers (since everyone else was said to have side effects), but they have no control and are also much weaker, hence not being involved in any Fringe events.

[[WMG: There is only one copy of the Observers throughout history (i.e. no time-cloning shenanigans)]]
This would explain why they are exempt from most rules of time travel, and why they are able to change the timeline with such ease. This in particular provides an explanation for how they could erase adult-Peter from the timeline so easily - September simply went back and replaced his earlier self, making a different choice.

[[WMG:Peter's[[spoiler:RetGone]]means that August is still alive]]

* Walter never talked him into "making the girl significant", so he never died. And because he didn't sacrifice himself, she died. And somehow, he's the one that [[spoiler: brings Peter back.]]
** Peter [[spoiler: is back without Observer interference]]. The rest of the WMG still applies, though.
** I don't know. Since they are unaffected by the timeline change, August's death probably still holds.

[[WMG: The Observers will be forced to [[spoiler: undo Peter's RetGone]]]]

* Now that he's [[spoiler: fully present in the altered timeline]], they'll either see things resetting on their own and just fix everything at once before something causes a paradox somehow, or they'll try to [[redo the RetGone]] but fail due to internal opposition and/or [[spoiler: Peter]] being somehow resistant to whatever they did to [[spoiler: him]] now.

[[WMG: The Bishops are [[Webcomic/GirlGenius Sparks]]]]

* Nobody's put this up before? I'm amazed. Anyway, they're a family that somehow manages to "break through" later in life than other Sparks of comparable strength (which causes their first creations to be much less dangerous than other Sparks'). Walter's "breakthrough" was his first success in fringe science, or maybe cortexiphan, and Peter's has yet to appear.

[[WMG: The Observers will go to war with Fringe Division.]]
Now that Peter is back in the altered timeline, you've got the threat of how wibbly the universes can become as a result of Peter being around (the reason why he had to be RetGone'd in the first place) plus the threat of the time paradoxes that could occur with two seperate timelines (of two seperate universes) overlapping. To stop Peter from wreaking further havoc, the Observers will take direct action and try and kill him, putting them in direct conflict with Fringe Division.
* Now that the AlternateUniverse isn't the BigBad anymore, the only major element of the MythArc that can take centre stage is the Observers, so it makes sense that they'd become the new BigBad. It'd also create a good opportunity to explore just ''what'' the Observers are.
** [[spoiler: Letters of Transit pretty much proves this, although not for those reasons.]]

[[WMG: While the alternate universe in general no longer acts as the BigBad, Walternate has personally stepped up his game.]]
Walternate's just hiding a new set of truths, and the Red 'Verse Fringe Division is still in the dark about Walternate's activities and the true nature of the two universes. Which informs the next WMG ...

[[WMG: Walternate cloned Red!Peter after his disappearance (or even before).]]
In [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcz47s3jzSM&feature=player_embedded this preview]] for "Back To Where You've Never Been", there's a blue flash at 0:37, right after Walternate says "Not everything is as it seems." If you freeze the video, it shows a room with eight vertical tanks. They each appear to contain an adult human male in some kind of stasis (the figures in fluid and fitted with breathing apparatus). Peter's illness was genetic; Walternate was working on a cure; therefore, Walternate doubtless had Peter's genetic information on file. It's hardly out of the question that he would make use of it.
* The full episode reveals they are human shapeshifters created by [[spoiler: David Robert Jones]].

[[WMG: Nina Sharp is exploiting Olivia and her abilities in order to find William Bell.]]
She adopted Olivia (and Rachel) in order to continue the cortexiphan experiments, and stepped them up once Peter arrived from limbo. Why would she only do this now? Because Peter travelling from one timeline to another opens up the possibility of travelling to other parallel worlds (either alternate universes or alternate timelines) beyond simple the redverse. Olivia's cortexiphan ability is being able to safety travel between universes, so Nina is stepping up the experiment to see if Olivia can help her travel to these other worlds. Why would she do this ''at all''? William Bell is dead in this timeline, but almost certainly still alive in others.
* Alternatively, she's trying to recover the soul magnets from the original timeline.

[[WMG: The Watchers will not be explained]]
It will never be fully explained if the Watchers are descendants -genetic or memetic- of humanity, of the shapeshifters, or something else, it will simply be implied they appeared after the Technological Singularity and therefore cannot be comprehended by pre-Singularity minds. The one thing that will become apparent is that they need at least one of the universes to be stable enough to achieve singularity for them to exist, that's why they appear most frequently during events of unbalance, going as far as to intervene if the unbalance goes too far. The exact events of their absolute past are not important as long as a singularity happens, but the exact events of their absolute future are important, that's why August's death made the girl important; the reason for this cannot be understood.
* What?
** Fairly simple to understand. One of the verses experienced TheSingularity. The Observers are beings that came into existence in that universe's timeline after said singularity, or in other words the future. They're present in the, well, present so they can make sure the singularity takes place, creating a StableTimeLoop (they go back in time to make sure they come into existence). We can't really understand what they're up to because we haven't had a singularity ourselves, while they have, hence they're not as human as us. Or something.
*** Concise Troper is concise, and thank heavens for that.
* Partially Jossed in that they were explained, partially confirmed in that they are humans from one of many possible futures. Didn't say anything about the Singularity, though, just that they had the tech for travel through and outside of time, and that they liked observing important events.

[[WMG: August is alive, but is not the same August and he is keeping the timeline from becoming fixed]]
The Observer seen at the end of Forced Perspective looked a lot like August, at least what could be seen in the angle of that shot. But besides that -and this could have been just on my TV, or due to the lighting-, he seemed to be wearing a brown suit instead of a black one. If he was in fact August, then it would seem that the Observers are not completely immune to changes in the timelime. If he was in fact wearing a brown suit, that could mean he was an Observer specific to the amber timeline, as in created because the original or absolute August died, but the interactions he had in the original timeline that lead to his death were erased; maybe this change is powerful enough -the deletion of events leading to the death of an Observer- that it ends in the creation of a copy, or new version, of the deceased Observer, so that the death of the original still happened and the internal Observer causality is not affected, but a new version appears to satisfy the causality of the new timeline. This could mean there is at least one new kind of Observer, brown!August. Also, perhaps brown!August is an anomaly whose existence is keeping the amber timeline from becoming stable, which was the reason Peter was able to come back. And perhaps brown!August's existence will be revealed as a threat to the stability of the Observer's internal causality.
* Pretty sure they would have changed the actor ''or'' the suit, but not both.

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[[WMG: David Robert Jones is trying to turn Olivia into an Observer.]]
Perhaps unintentionally but he is interested in the full array of her powers which have probably not even truly started to be tapped.
* Does he know about the Observers? IIRC, Amber!Jones is pursuing the same thing as Blue!Jones in the first season, who was activating all the other Cortexiphan kids he could track down. However, I am intrigued at the idea that Olivia could be a precursor of the people who eventually become the Observers.

[[WMG: September will play an important part in the season/series finale.]]
We've seen him die/get whisked away/whatever, but we haven't seen how he got injured. Five'll get you ten it happens during the inevitable season-ending showdown.

[[WMG: In the next episode (that is 4x18)...]]
* David Robert Jones will incapacitate Peter Bishop and destroy the bridge so that the two universes can't communicate with each other any more. In the trailer, we see shapeshifter!Broyles walking up to the machine and in 4x17 Fauxlivia mentions that the alternate universe is getting better because of the truce. Jones is trying to destroy the alternate universe to heal our world but he doesn't know that destroying one universe will destroy the other. Meana was helping Jones so that she'd end up on the side that survives.
** Also, since Fauxlivia is spending the episode on the other side, she'll get stuck. Bonding with the other team will follow.

[[WMG: This season will end with a RevivalLoophole being pulled]]
September said Olivia needs to die. He didn't say she cant come back.
* [[spoiler: You called it.]]

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[[WMG: Captain Windmark is September]]
September was caught by the other Observers. His punishment for helping the Bishops was a "correctional device", which rid him of his human-like emotions. He was then sent to watch over Fringe Division. [[spoiler:Fortunately, this means that he can no longer remember the plan.]]
-->'''Broyles:''' What did you do in the future... to give yourself such a crap detail?
-->'''Windmark:''' *smile* I like animals.
* The Bishops will remove the device and there will be {{Angst}}.
* Mean Walter knows something horrible happened to September. Being mind raped into hurting your friends fits the bill.
-->'''Walter:''' What happened to him was... unexpected.
* There's also Windmark's human like tendencies and his obsession with the Fringe team.
* [[spoiler:Never been so happy to be wrong in my life.]]

[[WMG: Peter is September]]
[[spoiler: We know he's slowly turning into an Observer since implanting their tech in his head.]] It explains September's interest in helping the Fringe team, and why he knows [[spoiler: Alt-livia is the wrong person to mother Peter's child]], among other things. Peter Bishop was also born in September.

[[WMG: Peter is Windmark.]]
They both like to play Simon, Windmark did something that made all the other Observers grumpy with him at some point, Windmark has an usual interest in the Bishops and [[spoiler: when Peter pulls out a chunk of his hair, the camera focuses in on the picture of Windmark.]] Of course, this would be ''[[FallenHero horrible.]]''
* There's also how Windmark looks and [[PsychoticSmirk smiles]] when he sees [[spoiler: Peter using his Observer powers]].

[[WMG: Donald is Thomas Jerome Newton]]
Walter mentioned a man with an accent [Astrid said that was from Marathon Man, but who says it can't be from both reality and the movie?] and the show has a knack for bringing back characters everyone forgot about. To date: David Robert Jones, William Bell [twice], [[spoiler: The Child]]...

[[WMG: Donald is Donald the assassin from "August" who was sent to kill Christine.]]
He knows about the Observers. His name is Donald. And as previously stated,the show has a knack for bringing back characters everyone forgot about.

[[WMG: [[TheSlenderManMythos The Slender Man]] is an Observer who got hit by the [[TheBlank orifice-sealing]] stuff]]
It would explain his fashion sense and how he can teleport.

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[[WMG: The 4th season (or possibly the mid-season break) will end the Amber-timeline and restore the Blueverse to its original state.]]
* Leading to the world's most epic, "Hey, where ya been?"
* Given that Peter needs to have a baby with BlueOlivia, this looks increasingly likely.
** {{Jossed}}. The Amber timeline is the final timeline of the series.

[[WMG: The Observers report to [[MarvelUniverse Uatu the Watcher.]]]]
An alien species of bald guys that simply watch and are not supposed to interfere... Of course Uatu is much bigger than your typical Observer so the Observers must be his [[MiniMook Mini Mooks]].

[[WMG: There will be a RedemptionEqualsDeath moment for either Walternate or Fauxlivia]]
* Likely in the series finale, one of them will make a HeroicSacrifice to block the eventual destruction of one of the worlds.

[[WMG: The Observers are all anomalies in the timeline...]]
* ...and September is Henry Bishop.
** [[spoiler: Jossed]]

[[WMG: By the end of the series, Olivia will become a full-on RealityWarper]]
The events of "Subject 13" and other episodes suggest she has this latent ability. It won't be long before she taps it.
* So far the only powers she ever manifests are Telekinesis, pyrokinesis and greater control over universe crossing.

[[WMG: The Observers are a dimensional regulatory commission and they are ''pissed'' at Walter.]]
Positing that there are multiple Observers, They are a group of beings that exist outside of the alternate universes as we perceive them, and one of their duties is to make sure dimensional travel does ''not'' happen, as the reason they exist outside of the universes as we perceive them is that something... unfortunate occurred. The Observer assisting Walter has gone rogue.

[[WMG: The shapeshifters are a type of {{Terminator}}]]
They have mercury in their blood for one...

[[WMG: The Observer "distributes" the various power-causing technology around the country]]
They were locked up in some restricted area ''because'' of their dangerousness. The Observer found them, released them, and gave them out to various people, hoping they will be used in the upcoming arrival of the big shapeshifter army

[[WMG: There is absolutely no way to stop the destruction of one of the two colliding universes.]]
It's one or the other, and ultimately the alternate universe will lose. Walternate will send Peter back only seconds before the end to save him, leaving him as one of the only known survivors... until it is later revealed in the next season that others have also survived, likely seeking revenge.
* [[{{Jossed}} Nope.]]

[[WMG: Alternate-Olivia will [[BecomingTheMask Become The Mask]] and later help Walter and Peter get the 'real' Olivia back.]]
She will also most likely die in the attempt.

[[WMG: Alt!Charlie is going to make a HeelFaceTurn]]
Because the writers know we need Charlie back.
* It'd be pretty simple to do, really. Reveal that Alt!Charlie is plagued by the death of his wife (maybe he somehow spread the arachnids to her or something and she didn't make it). He learns that his wife is still alive in the other universe, and incidentally has tragically lost her husband in a [[DroppedABridgeOnHim bridge-related accident]]. He decides that he's willing to leave his own universe to be with his wife again, and Walter (who, in the other universe, was too busy with his [[PoweredByAForsakenChild Son-powered]] [[OmnicidalManiac Universe-murdering machine]] to cure Charlie) fixes up his nasty case of arachnids with about as much effort as it takes to eat a licorice twist.

[[WMG: The Superweapon Walternate is building is of alien origin]]
* Made pretty clear in Season 3, Episode 2. It is mentioned that the technology thats part of the Superweapon is quite [[AncientAstronauts ancient]]. The appearance of the devices themselves have a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien look to them, their segmented appearance and odd, bronze tinted coloration resembling nothing we saw in either universe. To top it off, they have odd runes on them that just ''scream'' alien. Further supported by Walter's speculation that the Cortexiphan-fuelled abilities were common throughout humanity until their disappearance. At the point, it simply came off like Walter's usual crazed speculations but what if it was {{foreshadowing}}?
** Not to mention an alien entity ''did'' appear in ''Earthling''.
** {{Jossed}} it was really built by [[spoiler: Walter in the future, and sent back millions of years into the past by the collapse of the universe.]]
*** It was built by the [[Series/StargateSG1 Ancients]]. C'mon, leaving a piece of universe-destroying technology around is JUST their sort of [[NeglectfulPrecursor thing.]] (As well as the detail in spoiler text above).
**** Jossed, the superweapon from the First People was built by Walter and sent back in time.

[[WMG: Sam Weiss is the Real BigBad]]
Everything else is just him manipulating events behind the scenes to his advantage.

[[WMG: The "Observers" are really a remnant of the "First Race" that [[spoiler: built the doomsday machine]]]]
* It just makes sense, it would explain why they are not "quite" human, there greater knowledge, advanced tech, etc...
* Or they're like the [[ChildhoodsEnd Overlords]].
* Or they're [[HalfLife G-men]].

[[WMG: The point of divergence for the two universes was when The First People activated the machine]]
Walternate wants it to destroy the other universe, but the mention of its powers of "creation and destruction" suggests it could be used for the opposite. Of course this would take the InSpiteOfANail issues to extremes.

[[WMG: Alternate-verse Gene...]]
Is obviously the [[ManBehindTheMan Cow Behind The Man]] and is secretly using Walternate as an UnwittingPawn!

[[WMG: We will see Christina again.]]
("August") We have to. August died so she wouldn't have to, and September said he'd made her important (ThePowerofLove). She has to come back, in some capacity.

[[WMG: We will see a Tyler at some point.]]
("Of Human Action") We have to, or there wouldn't have been mention of the fact there's more than one of them.

[[WMG: Broyles is an Observer.]]
* Doesn't he look and dress exactly like a black Observer? We haven't seen him eat much, either.
** [[CrowningMomentOfFunny high!Peter seems to think so.]]

[[WMG: Broyles will die in the season 3 final.]]
* Walter did experiments with LSD that resulted in a woman basically revealing the existence of shape-shifters. Broyles' trippy little "death followed me" speech was actually {{Foreshadowing}} and "Lysergic Acid Diethylamide" will become the epitome of HarsherInHindsight.
** [[spoiler: Well, he's not dead yet.]]

[[WMG:Peter's[[spoiler:RetGone]]means that August is still alive]]
* Walter never talked him into "making the girl significant", so he never died. And because he didn't sacrifice himself, she died. And somehow, he's the one that [[spoiler: brings Peter back.]]
** Peter [[spoiler: is back without Observer interference]]. The rest of the WMG still applies, though.
** I don't know. Since they are unaffected by the timeline change, August's death probably still holds.
** August is spoken of in the past-tense by December in the finale, so he's clearly still dead.

[[WMG: The Observers will be forced to [[spoiler: undo Peter's RetGone]]]]
* Now that he's [[spoiler: fully present in the altered timeline]], they'll either see things resetting on their own and just fix everything at once before something causes a paradox somehow, or they'll try to [[redo the RetGone]] but fail due to internal opposition and/or [[spoiler: Peter]] being somehow resistant to whatever they did to [[spoiler: him]] now.

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[[folder: Partial Truth]]
These [=WMGs=] are for partially confirmed guessed as of the end of the series. ''Beware of spoilers!''

[[WMG: Theories regarding the Future of 2036 AD shown in the episode "Letters of Transit" go here:]]
* "Letters of Transit" is the future of the original, Blue/Red Timeline, not the Amber Timeline:
** Evidence: The existence of Henrietta "Etta" Bishop (Blue Olivia and Red Peter's child?)
*** Peter and Fauxlivia's child was a boy named Henry.
** {{Jossed}}, as Walter in Season 5 is later given memories of the Blue/Red timeline. Obviously, he wouldn't have to be given memories that he already had.
* "Letters of Transit" depicted another the future of the Amber Timeline:
** Evidence: If we consider Amber Olivia as essentially Blue Olivia now that Blue Olivia's memories have dominated her; also the survival of William Bell in amber begs the question of which timeline leads to "Letters of Transit."
** Further Evidence: Etta can prevent herself from being "read" by the Observers (if the timeline wasn't reset, then maybe she has this ability because her father was Redverse Peter who appeared in the Amber Timeline, a man from "outside time" somewhat like the Observers themselves.)
*** If in the Amber Timeline the Observers can read Peter, the above presumption would be Jossed, but "Letters" could still have shown the Amber Timeline's future.
*** Etta's ability might come from Olivia recently being injected with Cortexiphan.
** Confirmed.
* "Letters of Transit" depicts a possible future of a completely different timeline we haven't seen yet:
** Evidence: William Bell is still alive and preserved in Amber.
** {{Jossed}}.
* That's not William Bell at all:
** The ambered William Bell could be one of the Human-Shapeshifters.
* Amber-Timeline William Bell traveled forward through time to the year 2015, where he got ambered with the rest of the original Fringe Team:
** This might mean we are dealing with the future of the Amber Timeline, as William Bell's death (unexplained in that timeline) could have been just a disappearance due to TimeTravel.
* The original Observers like August, September, etc. were of a different, more benevolent (or at least, less aggressive) caste of future Post-Humans than the "neo-Observers" who were depicted as ruling a post-apocalyptic Earth in "Letters of Transit"
** Evidence: In "The End of All Things," September told Peter that he was a member of a scientific observation team, and that September was a code name. Captain Windmark (Wenmoc?) and the other Observers in the year 2036 do not behave like detached scientists on a research mission. They take a much more active role by subjugating the human "natives." They also appear to enjoy parties and loose women. They also lack the distinctive odd cadence to their speech that the previous Observers displayed (though maybe this comes from living alongside modern-day humans for 20 years). Walter himself even says "They're not all bad. One of them, called September, tried to help us." Perhaps the "Scientific Team" represents a different political or cultural faction of future posthumans than the Observers who took over the world in 2015?
** More or less {{Jossed}}. They're the same people; they only appeared benevelent because they were told to only observe, and they weren't told why they were observing.
* Resetting the Timeline from Blue to Amber resulted in the future shown in "Letters of Transit."
* Resetting the Timeline from Amber to Blue resulted in the future shown in "Letters of Transit."
* Resetting the Timeline from Amber to something else entirely (not Blue) resulted in the future shown in "Letters of Transit."
* If the future shown in "Letters of Transit" is explored further in Season 5, the show will focus on the similarities between that future and the present of the Redverse:
** Rationing. Environmental degradation. Coffee unavailable except as some kind of chewable substitute. A war with an extradimensional foe. Also, now that a particular piece of Walter's brain has been restored, I would not be surprised if 2036-Walter shows more and more signs of becoming like Walternate. The Fringe Division certainly seemed to see Walter as a new hope for the human race, possibly even a potential leader, like his Redverse counterpart, the Secretary of Defense and leader of Redverse Fringe Division.
** Partially confirmed. Walter's fears of being more like Walternate (or rather, more like his old self) is a large theme of the season. But there isn't specific emphasis of the 2036 world being like Redverse.
* It's been pretty firmly established that "Letters of Transit" and all of Season 5 so far takes place in the future of the Amber Timeline.

[[WMG: Sam Weiss is Seamus Wiles, the author of the book "The First People," and a member of that race.]]
* He's older and taller than he appears, and their names are similar.
** Not just similar, Seamus Wiles is an anagram of Samuel Weiss.
** Confirmed and {{Jossed}}. The current Sam Weiss is not the ''only'' Sam Weiss; that was one of his ancestors.

[[WMG: The ZFT was written by Walter's equivalent from the alternate universe]]
The ending to "Ability" suggests that it was written on his typewriter, but that he doesn't remember writing it, plus the whole "ScienceIsBad and will kill us all" message doesn't sound like him. It was written by his evil double who has an opposing agenda but, InSpiteOfANail, the same typewriter.
* Which could mean that Olivia's universe ''is'' the other universe referred to by the manuscript...
** [[spoiler:Confirmed]] in Over There: Part 1.
*** Sort of. It's a book called ZFT, but it's not the same book as ZFT in the main Fringe-verse. Recall that ZFT-Prime describes the conflict between parallel universes in the multiverse. [[spoiler:However, Alter-Olivia was familiar with Alter-ZFT, but knew nothing of a parallel universe. Instead she thought that the pattern (described in both books) was the natural decay of the universe, a series of "environmental catastrophes" that Alternate Fringe Division was assigned to investigate and fight.]] So they're definitely not the same book.
**** [[spoiler: Walternate reveals that he wrote the book partly as a coverup for man-made events on the other side.]]

His people know he's gone rouge, and have recruited others to help with preparing the invasion, including David Robert Jones.

The child Observer is from Walter's world, and proof of the worlds getting closer.
** Every detail of this besides the title is {{Jossed}}.

[[WMG: The Observer is an extradimensional being, a human from an [[EvolutionaryLevels evolutionarily accelerated]] world.]]
The young observer child is not the only such being. The G-Man in that episode reported that they had found "another" one, with the implication that similar children had been found elsewhere. The child and others like him are mutant humans with genetic traits that future apocalyptic events will select for in Darwinian fashion. Such children will inherit the world and one day create an Observer civilization in this universe. However, in another universe, this has already happened. And the Observers from that accelerated universe are invading or preparing to invade ours.
** I thought this was {{Jossed}} is Seasons 2 and 3, but now, with the latest Season 4 episode, "Letters of Transit," this theory might actually still be valid, at least in that timeline, if not others. So the Observers are actually from one (or more?) possible futures, just not an evolutionarily accelerated parallel world (though that's basically a minor point). But they are planning to invade, or at some point decide to stop observing and take over because their own Future Earth can no longer support life. It's still possible that the mysterious Child from Season 1 and others like him are the Observers' direct ancestors.

[[WMG: This is leading up to the creation of a spin-off series about the adventures of the Alternate, military-run Fringe Team]]
Because it means we get more Charlie and a cheerfully nonchalant version of Olivia.
* The writers have said that Season 3 is going to be half 'This Side' and half 'The Other Side', meaning HALF of Season 3 is going to be with the alternate, military Fringe Division.

[[WMG: Peter will not survive the series.]]
* One, because having the power to destroy universes can never end well. Even if the crisis is averted, those in power are hardly going to let the bringer of the Apocalypse go off on his merry way. Two, because the Universe(s) hate Olivia Dunham. As much as I like him, I think the poor guy is doomed...
** [[spoiler: He survives, but he is erased from history. That doesn't stop him from existing though.]]

[[WMG: Season 3 will end with an in-universe reboot.]]
Peter will [[spoiler: choose alt!Olivia over Olivia when he's plugged into the machine]], but the result won't simply be the destruction of the main universe, it'll reboot it. Like was said, the machine is [[spoiler:an engine of destruction or creation, depending on your point of view]]. Rebooting the main universe will allow the writers to bring back dead characters in Season 4 [[spoiler: like non-alt!Peter]] and show what history would have been like if Walter had [[spoiler:saved his own son's life and not kidnapped alt!Peter]]. The only two people to remember what happened in the 'old' universe will be Olivia, due to her reality-hopping abilities, and Peter[[spoiler:, who will be living in the alt!universe as he was always intended to]]. Olivia and Peter coming to remember each other, and realizing they *do* love each other after all, will set up the Big Bad of Season 4: [[spoiler: Peter and Olivia themselves, who will risk damaging both universes again in order to reunite]].
* Sort of right. There is a reboot, but not because of that choice; it's rebooted because [[spoiler: Peter is erased from existence.]]

[[WMG: Olivia will die in Season 5]]
She was nowhere to be seen in Letters Of Transit and September's words tend to come true when you least expect it.

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[[folder: I Knew It]]
[[WMG: In the Amber-Timeline, as in the original timeline, Walternate was both aware of another universe and had sent shapeshifters over before our Walter.]]
* The experiments that allowed Rebecca Kibner to recognize people from the alternate universe predated Walter's trip there to save//kidnap Peter. The episode implies Rebecca had seen shapeshifters in the 70's. We also have hints that Bell had already traveled to the alternate universe, and according to Walter, the shapeshifters were designed by Bell as part of his work for Walternate and the AU Department of Defense. We don't know which side crossed first, but the flashback in "Peter" definitely wasn't the first crossing, though our Walter believes it was.

[[WMG: Nina Sharp lost her arm as a result of a world-breaching experiment.]]
The season finale showed us [[spoiler: what happens to someone who gets caught "between worlds". Perhaps Nina was present during one of Bell's experiments and reached her arm through an alt-world portal, only to have the portal close and take her arm with it.]]
** Confirmed as of S02-E16: She loses her arm in the gate that Walter used to steal Peter.

[[WMG: Alt!Liv was never treated with Cortexiphan as a child.]]
Peter says she isn't haunted like his Olivia. And nobody knows who Andrew Jackson is, so presumably there is no town called "Jacksonville." Compare Alt!Liv's easy going, relaxed attitude to our troubled, straight-laced agent. It's a world of difference.
* Confirmed later in S3. After the Olivias return to their respective universes, Walternate [[spoiler: synthesizes cortexiphan from our-Olivia's blood. He tests it on adults, but because of [[BerserkButton losing Peter]], he [[WouldntHurtAChild refuses to test it on kids]]]].

[[WMG: The "First People" will turn out to be a load of crap.]]
Because it's just too ridiculous, even by Fringe standards.
** Well, there's a reason why the show's tagline is [[SerialEscalation beyond the impossible]].
** [[IKnewIt Called it.]]

[[WMG: The kid from Inner Child...]]
...is a young Observer. He's bald, psychic, doesn't say much ,just a little creepy and actually noticed the adult Observer watching him. He definitely fits the bill.

[[WMG: Season 4 will end with a RevivalLoophole being pulled]]
September said Olivia needs to die. He didn't say she cant come back.
* [[spoiler: You called it.]]

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