History WMG / FreddyVsJason

9th Aug '17 10:49:26 AM ThatSpyChick
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Jason decided to return to camp crystal lake and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_the_13th_(2009_film) started all over]], but decided to keep Freddy's head. Freddy was able to find a new head which was less ugly, but had worse burns and a new arm. Freddy built a new glove, since his old one was at the bottom of the lake, which was slightly different and he went [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Nightmare_on_Elm_Street_(2010_film) right back to Elm Street]]
* Take note - when Freddy and Jason were fighting in the camp, it wasn't the old, trashed one - it was being rebuilt. Again. You know, because Jason had been dead for a while and people are idiots. That was one helluva setup for more Camp Crystal Lake slaughter.

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Jason *Jason decided to return to camp crystal lake and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_the_13th_(2009_film) started all over]], but decided to keep Freddy's head. Freddy was able to find a new head which was less ugly, but had worse burns and a new arm. Freddy built a new glove, since his old one was at the bottom of the lake, which was slightly different and he went [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Nightmare_on_Elm_Street_(2010_film) right back to Elm Street]]
* ** Take note - when Freddy and Jason were fighting in the camp, it wasn't the old, trashed one - it was being rebuilt. Again. You know, because Jason had been dead for a while and people are idiots. That was one helluva setup for more Camp Crystal Lake slaughter.



Jason can come back for Jason X, but Freddy was unpleasantly surprised to find that nobody alive remembered him and Jason doesn't sleep much. [[AndIMustScream Freddy's in a very nasty situation...]]
* This is a good meta ''and'' in-universe excuse for there not being any Robert-based Freddy movies made after this. Plus, this inadvertently achieves what Jason (and the teenagers who "rooted" for him) set out to do: stop Freddy permanently. What better way to stop the unkillable dream demon than to essentially [[FateWorseThanDeath lock him up in the mind of the one person who never sleeps]]? ''Also'', it's ironic; in trying to find a way to bring himself back, Freddy [[HoistbyHisOwnPetard ended up causing his own "demise"]] (or the closest he'll get to it, since he can't really die).

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Jason *Jason can come back for Jason X, but Freddy was unpleasantly surprised to find that nobody alive remembered him and Jason doesn't sleep much. [[AndIMustScream Freddy's in a very nasty situation...]]
* ** This is a good meta ''and'' in-universe excuse for there not being any Robert-based Freddy movies made after this. Plus, this inadvertently achieves what Jason (and the teenagers who "rooted" for him) set out to do: stop Freddy permanently. What better way to stop the unkillable dream demon than to essentially [[FateWorseThanDeath lock him up in the mind of the one person who never sleeps]]? ''Also'', it's ironic; in trying to find a way to bring himself back, Freddy [[HoistbyHisOwnPetard ended up causing his own "demise"]] (or the closest he'll get to it, since he can't really die).



It was a long POV shot from Freddy's perspective. The background was the floor of Jason's house, the dripping blood came from Freddy's severed head as Jason carried it around looking for a place to put it. The blood-loss caused Freddy to hallucinate the credits and the song was Freddy singing to Jason [[ManipulativeBastard to try to convince him]] not to use his head as a flower pot.

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It *It was a long POV shot from Freddy's perspective. The background was the floor of Jason's house, the dripping blood came from Freddy's severed head as Jason carried it around looking for a place to put it. The blood-loss caused Freddy to hallucinate the credits and the song was Freddy singing to Jason [[ManipulativeBastard to try to convince him]] not to use his head as a flower pot.



At the end of the movie Jason stuck Freddy's head on his knick-knack shelf. Freddy is thus stuck in limbo; he's not dead so he can't re-enter the dream state, but he's just a severed head so he can't escape Jason's cabin either. He's doomed to sit up there next to Jason's bobble-heads until the end of time.
* Whatever the final scene of FvsJ suggests, Freddy will be going back to Springwood to slaughter more kids. He succeeded in spreading the fear he'd wished to when Will & Mark told the Legend of Krueger at Springwood High so there are tons and tons of high schoolers who know Freddy now. Freddy may have lost the battle, but he won the war.
* One way or another, you're right about it being the end of [that incarnation of] Freddy. When a (gratingly unnecessary) remake starts a new series in Hollywood, the old series is automatically kaput. So if there are any more sequels they will be to the NOES and F13 remakes.
* Wasn't there a comic sequel called Freddy vs Jason vs Ash that continued the story?
** The comic and film are not canon to each other.
*** The movie is, obviously, canon to the comic. And the comic was written with people who helped produce the movie, and the script for the comic was the script for the planned sequel, so...
* The 6th Elm Street film also theoretically takes place in the future ("Ten years from now"), like Jason X. If that hasn't happened yet, it would explain why Springwood is a more-or-less normal town in this film, but a nearly empty ghost town with no children and the remaining adults completely insane in Freddy's Dead. No way the town could have been repopulated and Freddy's existence suppressed so well. Even if you assume that the time given in the beginning was ten years from the release of that film (1991), then since this film takes place in 2003 they would have had to fix the town in a mere two years.
** Then maybe Freddy succeeded in this film after all. He will indeed get credit for all the killing Jason did, and that is what will give him enough power to bring about the events of Freddy's Dead.
*** The promotional materials state that this film takes place exactly 4 years after Freddy's Dead. The writers just chose to ignore the "10 Years From Now " thing just be pragmatic.
*** Clips from Freddy's Dead are seen in the opening prologue to FvJ, showing that those events have already happened by the time this movie's events occur.
* This assumes that the final scene in the movie is set in the real world, and not in the dream world. Freddy's body can be killed in the real world much like a regular human's can, and can only reappear in the dream world. Obviously, he was decapitated in the real world and that would effectively kill him, so that leaves the final scene to be another one of Jason's dreams. Freddy is "alive" again in the dream world and is just messing with Jason's expectation that his head will act as a decapitated head normally does. Freddy isn't in limbo at all, and will continue slaughtering people.

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At *At the end of the movie Jason stuck Freddy's head on his knick-knack shelf. Freddy is thus stuck in limbo; he's not dead so he can't re-enter the dream state, but he's just a severed head so he can't escape Jason's cabin either. He's doomed to sit up there next to Jason's bobble-heads until the end of time.
* ** Whatever the final scene of FvsJ suggests, Freddy will be going back to Springwood to slaughter more kids. He succeeded in spreading the fear he'd wished to when Will & Mark told the Legend of Krueger at Springwood High so there are tons and tons of high schoolers who know Freddy now. Freddy may have lost the battle, but he won the war.
* ** One way or another, you're right about it being the end of [that incarnation of] Freddy. When a (gratingly unnecessary) remake starts a new series in Hollywood, the old series is automatically kaput. So if there are any more sequels they will be to the NOES and F13 remakes.
* ** Wasn't there a comic sequel called Freddy vs Jason vs Ash that continued the story?
** *** The comic and film are not canon to each other.
*** **** The movie is, obviously, canon to the comic. And the comic was written with people who helped produce the movie, and the script for the comic was the script for the planned sequel, so...
* ** The 6th Elm Street film also theoretically takes place in the future ("Ten years from now"), like Jason X. If that hasn't happened yet, it would explain why Springwood is a more-or-less normal town in this film, but a nearly empty ghost town with no children and the remaining adults completely insane in Freddy's Dead. No way the town could have been repopulated and Freddy's existence suppressed so well. Even if you assume that the time given in the beginning was ten years from the release of that film (1991), then since this film takes place in 2003 they would have had to fix the town in a mere two years.
** *** Then maybe Freddy succeeded in this film after all. He will indeed get credit for all the killing Jason did, and that is what will give him enough power to bring about the events of Freddy's Dead.
*** **** The promotional materials state that this film takes place exactly 4 years after Freddy's Dead. The writers just chose to ignore the "10 Years From Now " thing just be pragmatic.
*** **** Clips from Freddy's Dead are seen in the opening prologue to FvJ, showing that those events have already happened by the time this movie's events occur.
* ** This assumes that the final scene in the movie is set in the real world, and not in the dream world. Freddy's body can be killed in the real world much like a regular human's can, and can only reappear in the dream world. Obviously, he was decapitated in the real world and that would effectively kill him, so that leaves the final scene to be another one of Jason's dreams. Freddy is "alive" again in the dream world and is just messing with Jason's expectation that his head will act as a decapitated head normally does. Freddy isn't in limbo at all, and will continue slaughtering people.



On the part of Pinhead, the lead Cenobite. Even if he doesn't live in hell proper, it's not outside the realm of possibility that he can freely travel to dimensions that aren't Earth. Over the course of the movies, he's occasionally succumbed to the urge to hurt people just for the sake of it. Tricking people into opening the box is too much work, but feeding a predictable spirit like Freddy the idea of using Jason wouldn't be any trouble at all. He gets to inflict a little more of the suffering that isn't technically in his job description, and then watch two creatures that he more than likely loathed beat the stuffing out of each other.
* Pinhead WAS in fact supposed to have a [[WhatCouldHaveBeen cameo]] in this movie.

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On *On the part of Pinhead, the lead Cenobite. Even if he doesn't live in hell proper, it's not outside the realm of possibility that he can freely travel to dimensions that aren't Earth. Over the course of the movies, he's occasionally succumbed to the urge to hurt people just for the sake of it. Tricking people into opening the box is too much work, but feeding a predictable spirit like Freddy the idea of using Jason wouldn't be any trouble at all. He gets to inflict a little more of the suffering that isn't technically in his job description, and then watch two creatures that he more than likely loathed beat the stuffing out of each other.
* ** Pinhead WAS in fact supposed to have a [[WhatCouldHaveBeen cameo]] in this movie.



If we assume that the first movie of "A Nightmare on Elm Street" is set in 1984, then the second film is set in 1989, the third is set in 1990, the fourth and fifth are set in 1990 or 1991, "The final Nightmare" is set in 2000 or 2001. And this film is set four years later of "The Final Nightmare".
* A Nightmare on Elm Street takes place in 1981, not 1984. The tombstones of Kristen and Kincaid in Nightmare 4 show their death date as 1988. Nightmare 5 opens with the high schoolers graduating and a "Class of '89" banner. Working backwards from those dates places the events of Nightmare 1 in 1981. Freddy vs. Jason features a "Coming in 2004" sign on the construction at Crystal Lake, setting it in 2003. According to the "four years" thing, Freddy's Dead would then take place in 1999.

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If *If we assume that the first movie of "A Nightmare on Elm Street" is set in 1984, then the second film is set in 1989, the third is set in 1990, the fourth and fifth are set in 1990 or 1991, "The final Nightmare" is set in 2000 or 2001. And this film is set four years later of "The Final Nightmare".
* ** A Nightmare on Elm Street takes place in 1981, not 1984. The tombstones of Kristen and Kincaid in Nightmare 4 show their death date as 1988. Nightmare 5 opens with the high schoolers graduating and a "Class of '89" banner. Working backwards from those dates places the events of Nightmare 1 in 1981. Freddy vs. Jason features a "Coming in 2004" sign on the construction at Crystal Lake, setting it in 2003. According to the "four years" thing, Freddy's Dead would then take place in 1999.



He's a doctor at Western Hills prescribing Hypnocil with the same hairstyle and mannerisms. After Nancy died in Dream Warriors, he married, had a daughter, and devoted his life to stopping Freddy. He just changed his name along the way.

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He's *He's a doctor at Western Hills prescribing Hypnocil with the same hairstyle and mannerisms. After Nancy died in Dream Warriors, he married, had a daughter, and devoted his life to stopping Freddy. He just changed his name along the way.



Lori is short for Loretta.
* This could explain why Freddy attempted to rape Lori in a rather elaborate fashion. Perhaps Freddy's power allowed him to realize she was Loretta reincarnated and he decided to "catch up" with his former wife.

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Lori *Lori is short for Loretta.
* ** This could explain why Freddy attempted to rape Lori in a rather elaborate fashion. Perhaps Freddy's power allowed him to realize she was Loretta reincarnated and he decided to "catch up" with his former wife.
9th Aug '17 10:43:41 AM ThatSpyChick
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* This assumes that the final scene in the movie is set in the real world, and not in the dream world. Freddy's body can be killed in the real world, and can only reappear in the dream world. Obviously, he was decapitated in the real world, so that leaves the final scene to be another one of Jason's dreams, and Freddy is just messing with Jason's expectation that his head will act as a decapitated head normally does. Freddy isn't in limbo at all, and will continue killing.

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* This assumes that the final scene in the movie is set in the real world, and not in the dream world. Freddy's body can be killed in the real world, world much like a regular human's can, and can only reappear in the dream world. Obviously, he was decapitated in the real world, world and that would effectively kill him, so that leaves the final scene to be another one of Jason's dreams, and dreams. Freddy is "alive" again in the dream world and is just messing with Jason's expectation that his head will act as a decapitated head normally does. Freddy isn't in limbo at all, and will continue killing.slaughtering people.
9th Aug '17 10:38:39 AM ThatSpyChick
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* This assumes that the final scene in the movie is set in the real world, and not in the dream world. Freddy's body can be killed in the real world, and can only reappear in the dream world. Obviously, he was decapitated in the real world, so that leaves the final scene to be another one of Jason's dreams, and Freddy is just messing with Jason's expectation that his head will act as a decapitated head normally does. Freddy isn't in limbo at all, and will continue killing.
22nd Jul '17 1:17:27 AM ThatSpyChick
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* This is a good meta ''and'' in-universe excuse for there not being any Robert-based Freddy movies made after this. Plus, this inadvertently achieves what Jason (and the teenagers who "rooted" for him) set out to do: stop Freddy permanently. What better way to stop the unkillable dream demon than to essentially [[FateWorseThanDeath lock him up in the mind of the one person who never sleeps]]? ''Also'', it's ironic; in trying to find a way to bring himself back, Freddy [[NiceJobBreakingItHero ended up causing his own "demise"]] (or the closest he'll get to it, since he can't really die).

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* This is a good meta ''and'' in-universe excuse for there not being any Robert-based Freddy movies made after this. Plus, this inadvertently achieves what Jason (and the teenagers who "rooted" for him) set out to do: stop Freddy permanently. What better way to stop the unkillable dream demon than to essentially [[FateWorseThanDeath lock him up in the mind of the one person who never sleeps]]? ''Also'', it's ironic; in trying to find a way to bring himself back, Freddy [[NiceJobBreakingItHero [[HoistbyHisOwnPetard ended up causing his own "demise"]] (or the closest he'll get to it, since he can't really die).
13th Jul '17 12:16:49 AM ThatSpyChick
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** This could explain why Freddy attempted to rape Lori in a rather elaborate fashion. Perhaps Freddy's power allowed him to realize she was Loretta reincarnated and he decided to "catch up" with his former wife

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** * This could explain why Freddy attempted to rape Lori in a rather elaborate fashion. Perhaps Freddy's power allowed him to realize she was Loretta reincarnated and he decided to "catch up" with his former wifewife.
13th Jul '17 12:14:14 AM ThatSpyChick
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*** Clips from Freddy's Dead is seen in the opening prologue to FvJ, showing that those events have already happened by the time this movie's events occur.

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*** Clips from Freddy's Dead is are seen in the opening prologue to FvJ, showing that those events have already happened by the time this movie's events occur.
13th Jul '17 12:14:00 AM ThatSpyChick
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*** Footage from Freddy's Dead is seen in the opening prologue, showing that those events have already happened.

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*** Footage Clips from Freddy's Dead is seen in the opening prologue, prologue to FvJ, showing that those events have already happened.happened by the time this movie's events occur.
13th Jul '17 12:11:09 AM ThatSpyChick
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* This is also a good meta ''and'' in-universe excuse for there not being any Robert-based Freddy movies made after this. Plus, this inadvertently achieves what Jason (and the teenagers who "rooted" for him) set out to do: stop Freddy permanently. What better way to stop the unkillable dream demon than to essentially [[FateWorseThanDeath lock him up in the mind of the one person who never sleeps]]? ''Also'', it's ironic; in trying to find a way to bring himself back, Freddy [[NiceJobBreakingItHero ended up causing his own "demise"]] (or the closest he'll get to it, since he can't really die).

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* This is also a good meta ''and'' in-universe excuse for there not being any Robert-based Freddy movies made after this. Plus, this inadvertently achieves what Jason (and the teenagers who "rooted" for him) set out to do: stop Freddy permanently. What better way to stop the unkillable dream demon than to essentially [[FateWorseThanDeath lock him up in the mind of the one person who never sleeps]]? ''Also'', it's ironic; in trying to find a way to bring himself back, Freddy [[NiceJobBreakingItHero ended up causing his own "demise"]] (or the closest he'll get to it, since he can't really die).
12th Jul '17 11:46:09 PM ThatSpyChick
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* This is also a good meta ''and'' in-universe excuse for there not being more Robert-based Freddy movies made after this. Plus, this inadvertently achieves what Jason (and the teenagers who "rooted" for him) set out to do: stop Freddy permanently. What better way to stop the unkillable dream demon than to essentially [[FateWorseThanDeath lock him up in the mind of the one person who never sleeps]]? ''Also'', it's ironic; in trying to find a way to bring himself back, Freddy [[NiceJobBreakingItHero ended up causing his own "demise"]] (or the closest he'll get to it, since he can't really die).

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* This is also a good meta ''and'' in-universe excuse for there not being more any Robert-based Freddy movies made after this. Plus, this inadvertently achieves what Jason (and the teenagers who "rooted" for him) set out to do: stop Freddy permanently. What better way to stop the unkillable dream demon than to essentially [[FateWorseThanDeath lock him up in the mind of the one person who never sleeps]]? ''Also'', it's ironic; in trying to find a way to bring himself back, Freddy [[NiceJobBreakingItHero ended up causing his own "demise"]] (or the closest he'll get to it, since he can't really die).
12th Jul '17 11:38:23 PM ThatSpyChick
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* This is also a good meta ''and'' in-universe excuse for there not being more Robert-based Freddy movies. Plus, this inadvertently achieves what Jason (and the teenagers who "rooted" for him) set out to do: stop Freddy permanently. What better way to stop the unkillable dream demon than to essentially [[FateWorseThanDeath lock him up in the mind of the one person who never sleeps]]? ''Also'', it's ironic; in trying to find a way to bring himself back, Freddy [[NiceJobBreakingItHero ended up causing his own "demise"]] (or the closest he'll get to it, since he can't really die).

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* This is also a good meta ''and'' in-universe excuse for there not being more Robert-based Freddy movies.movies made after this. Plus, this inadvertently achieves what Jason (and the teenagers who "rooted" for him) set out to do: stop Freddy permanently. What better way to stop the unkillable dream demon than to essentially [[FateWorseThanDeath lock him up in the mind of the one person who never sleeps]]? ''Also'', it's ironic; in trying to find a way to bring himself back, Freddy [[NiceJobBreakingItHero ended up causing his own "demise"]] (or the closest he'll get to it, since he can't really die).
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