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12th Oct '15 11:57:16 PM EvilKid
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** And set another evidence that Ivalician people must live monsters who can invade their city(Remember mission Fire!Fire!) or their picnic spot (that mission which you must search fallen ring) and remember, in Japanese version there is clear implications that many people died because of clan wars. Both Ivalice are real, that is canon. But Marche did not commit mass murder or world destruction. You may see FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance2 as AuthorSavingThrow even if you disagree with Marche.

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** And set another evidence that Ivalician people must live monsters who can invade their city(Remember mission Fire!Fire!) or their picnic spot (that mission which you must search fallen ring) and remember, in Japanese version there is clear implications that many people died because of clan wars. Both Ivalice are real, that is canon. But Marche did not commit mass murder or world destruction. You may see FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance2 FinalFantasyTacticsA2 as AuthorSavingThrow AuthorsSavingThrow even if you disagree with Marche.
12th Oct '15 11:51:27 PM EvilKid
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** And set another evidence that Ivalician people must live monsters who can invade their city(Remember mission Fire!Fire!) or their picnic spot (that mission which you must search fallen ring) and remember, in Japanese version there is clear implications that many people died because of clan wars. Both Ivalice are real, that is canon. But Marche did not commit mass murder or world destruction. You may see FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance2 as AuthorSavingThrow even if you disagree with Marche.
8th Sep '15 1:28:44 PM Griever222
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Li-Grim in her true form, looks quite similar to Ultima in most Ivalice games, with her blue skin, white hair, red-brown eyes, and even similar horns. Li-Grim/Remedi, was reffered as being efficently a Totema, and as seen in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIIRevenantWings'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsA2'', the Totema are members of the Scions of Darkness, whose leader is Ultima. Remedi/Li-Grim, also summons most of the Totema during the fight against her, except Exodus and '''Ultima'''. The musical theme during the penultimate battle against her, "Surpassing the Wall", has been noted to even have some minor similarities with "Altima, the Nice Body", that was played in the boss fight against Ultima/Altima, in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics''. Presenting herself as a saintly figure, but with hidden sinister intentions, is something done previously by Ultima, when she was Ajora. The bizarre Totema, that is the whole temple, is just a decoy created by Ultima/Li-Grim, so that natives of Ivalice, won't notice her absence. It would also explain the wierd nature of the fight against the Totema "Ultima", with it being just a decoy.


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Li-Grim in her true form, looks quite similar to Ultima in most Ivalice games, with her blue skin, white hair, red-brown red eyes, and even similar horns. Li-Grim/Remedi, was reffered as being efficently a Totema, and as seen in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIIRevenantWings'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsA2'', the Totema are members of the Scions of Darkness, whose leader is Ultima. Remedi/Li-Grim, also summons most of the Totema during the fight against her, except Exodus and '''Ultima'''. The musical theme during the penultimate battle against her, "Surpassing the Wall", has been noted to even have some minor similarities with "Altima, the Nice Body", that was played in the boss fight against Ultima/Altima, in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics''. Presenting herself as a saintly figure, but with hidden sinister intentions, is something done previously by Ultima, when she was Ajora. The bizarre Totema, that is the whole temple, is just a decoy created by Ultima/Li-Grim, so that natives of Ivalice, won't notice her absence. It would also explain the wierd nature of the fight against the Totema "Ultima", with it being just a decoy.

8th Sep '15 1:25:51 PM Griever222
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Li-Grim in her true form, looks quite similar to Ultima in most Ivalice games, with her blue skin, white hair, red-brown eyes, and even similar horns. Li-Grim/Remedi, was reffered as being efficently a Totema, and as seen in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIIRevenantWings'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsA2'', the Totema are members of the Scions of Darkness, whose leader is Ultima. Remedi/Li-Grim, also summons most of the Totema during the fight against her, except Exodus and '''Ultima'''. The musical theme during the penultimate battle against her, "Surpassing the Wall", has been noted to even have some minor similarities with "Altima, the Nice Body", that was played in the boss fight against Ultima/Altima, in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics''. Presenting herself as a saintly figure, but with hidden sinister intentions, is something done previously by Ultima, when she was Ajora. The bizarre Totema, that is the whole temple, is just a decoy created by Ultima/Li-Grim, so that natives of Ivalice, won't notice her absence. It would also explain the wierd nature of the fight against the Totema "Ultima", with it being a just a decoy.


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Li-Grim in her true form, looks quite similar to Ultima in most Ivalice games, with her blue skin, white hair, red-brown eyes, and even similar horns. Li-Grim/Remedi, was reffered as being efficently a Totema, and as seen in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIIRevenantWings'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsA2'', the Totema are members of the Scions of Darkness, whose leader is Ultima. Remedi/Li-Grim, also summons most of the Totema during the fight against her, except Exodus and '''Ultima'''. The musical theme during the penultimate battle against her, "Surpassing the Wall", has been noted to even have some minor similarities with "Altima, the Nice Body", that was played in the boss fight against Ultima/Altima, in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics''. Presenting herself as a saintly figure, but with hidden sinister intentions, is something done previously by Ultima, when she was Ajora. The bizarre Totema, that is the whole temple, is just a decoy created by Ultima/Li-Grim, so that natives of Ivalice, won't notice her absence. It would also explain the wierd nature of the fight against the Totema "Ultima", with it being a just a decoy.

8th Sep '15 1:21:05 PM Griever222
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[[WMG: Li-Grim/Qeen Remedi is Ultima.]]
Li-Grim in her true form, looks quite similar to Ultima in most Ivalice games, with her blue skin, white hair, red-brown eyes, and even similar horns. The musical theme during the penultimate battle against her, "Surpassing the Wall", has been noted to even have some minor similarities with "Altima, the Nice Body", that was played in the boss fight against Ultima/Altima, in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics''. Presenting herself as a saintly figure, but with hidden sinister intentions, is something done previously by Ultima, when she was Ajora. The bizarre Totema, that is the whole temple, is just a decoy created by Ultima/Li-Grim, so that natives of Ivalice, won't notice her absence. It would also explain the wierd nature of the fight against the Totema "Ultima", with it being a just a decoy.


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[[WMG: Li-Grim/Qeen Li-Grim/Queen Remedi is Ultima.]]
Li-Grim in her true form, looks quite similar to Ultima in most Ivalice games, with her blue skin, white hair, red-brown eyes, and even similar horns. Li-Grim/Remedi, was reffered as being efficently a Totema, and as seen in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIIRevenantWings'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsA2'', the Totema are members of the Scions of Darkness, whose leader is Ultima. Remedi/Li-Grim, also summons most of the Totema during the fight against her, except Exodus and '''Ultima'''. The musical theme during the penultimate battle against her, "Surpassing the Wall", has been noted to even have some minor similarities with "Altima, the Nice Body", that was played in the boss fight against Ultima/Altima, in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics''. Presenting herself as a saintly figure, but with hidden sinister intentions, is something done previously by Ultima, when she was Ajora. The bizarre Totema, that is the whole temple, is just a decoy created by Ultima/Li-Grim, so that natives of Ivalice, won't notice her absence. It would also explain the wierd nature of the fight against the Totema "Ultima", with it being a just a decoy.

8th Sep '15 1:12:17 PM Griever222
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[[WMG: Li-Grim/Qeen Remedi is Ultima.]]
Li-Grim in her true form, looks quite similar to Ultima in most Ivalice games, with her blue skin, white hair, red-brown eyes, and even similar horns. The musical theme during the penultimate battle against her, "Surpassing the Wall", has been noted to even have some minor similarities with "Altima, the Nice Body", that was played in the boss fight against Ultima/Altima, in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics''. Presenting herself as a saintly figure, but with hidden sinister intentions, is something done previously by Ultima, when she was Ajora. The bizarre Totema, that is the whole temple, is just a decoy created by Ultima/Li-Grim, so that natives of Ivalice, won't notice her absence. It would also explain the wierd nature of the fight against the Totema "Ultima", with it being a just a decoy.

15th Dec '14 1:42:11 PM nombretomado
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* Note that the Totema are all based on past ''FinalFantasy'' ''villains'', and in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'' are all considered to be fallen angels -- in other words, not trustworthy sources of information.

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* Note that the Totema are all based on past ''FinalFantasy'' ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' ''villains'', and in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'' are all considered to be fallen angels -- in other words, not trustworthy sources of information.



In FinalFantasyTacticsA2, Montblanc calls out for Marche if he's KO'd in battle. Tactics A2 takes place in the same world as VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII, meaning that it's not the same Ivalice as in Tactics Advance. Montblanc also mentions someone close to him being killed by [[BonusBoss Yiazmat]], driving him to create Clan Centurio to eventually hunt the monster down. If Marche had been killed by Yiazmat sometime prior to Final Fantasy XII, this would explain both of these seemingly unrelated facts.

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In FinalFantasyTacticsA2, ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsA2'', Montblanc calls out for Marche if he's KO'd in battle. Tactics A2 takes place in the same world as VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII, ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'', meaning that it's not the same Ivalice as in Tactics Advance. Montblanc also mentions someone close to him being killed by [[BonusBoss Yiazmat]], driving him to create Clan Centurio to eventually hunt the monster down. If Marche had been killed by Yiazmat sometime prior to Final Fantasy XII, this would explain both of these seemingly unrelated facts.
31st Jul '13 12:53:06 AM Halen
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* The game has Marche travel the land of Ivalice with his army, fight the forces of the kingdom (which is being controlled by a malevolent entity posing as Mewt's mother, and Mewt himself, who is a poster boy for power corrupting) and plans to destroy the crystals, which are tied to the stucture of the world. Does this sound familar? Marche is clearly supposed to be a stand-in for antagonists in previous Final Fantasy games, such as Garland and Golbez. However, rather than Marche being in the wrong, the game is instead presenting what could drive somebody to act in the way antagonists in past FFs have done. It is mentioned in the Japanese version that innocent people are dying in the battles within Ivalice, and we have the case of the zombies who share the names of the bullies, which raises the question of how many people were changed into monsters. And of course, we have the Totema, who rather than oppose Marche, aid him on his journey. As such, the game has you control a boy who can certainly be compared antagonists such as Exdeath, but from his perspective.

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* The game has Marche travel the land of Ivalice with his army, fight the forces of the kingdom (which is being controlled by a malevolent entity posing as Mewt's mother, and Mewt himself, who is a poster boy for power corrupting) and plans to destroy the crystals, which are tied to the stucture of the world. Does this sound familar? Marche is clearly supposed to be a stand-in for antagonists in previous Final Fantasy games, such as Garland and Golbez. However, rather than Marche being in the wrong, the game is instead presenting what could drive somebody to act in the way antagonists in past FFs have done. It is mentioned in the Japanese version that innocent people are dying in the battles within Ivalice, and we have the case of the zombies who share the names of the bullies, which raises the question of how many people were changed into monsters. And of course, we have the Totema, who rather than oppose Marche, aid him on his journey. As such, the game has you control a boy who can certainly be compared antagonists such as Exdeath, but unlike them, from his perspective.
31st Jul '13 12:51:52 AM Halen
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[[WMG: Marche's characterization is a {{Deconstruction}} of previous {{Omnicidal Maniac}} antagonists such as Garland, Exdeath, etc. However, he is not in the wrong.]]
*The game has Marche travel the land of Ivalice with his army, fight the forces of the kingdom (which is being controlled by a malevolent entity posing as Mewt's mother, and Mewt himself, who is a poster boy for power corrupting) and plans to destroy the crystals, which are tied to the stucture of the world. Does this sound familar? Marche is clearly supposed to be a stand-in for antagonists in previous Final Fantasy games, such as Garland and Golbez. However, rather than Marche being in the wrong, the game is instead presenting what could drive somebody to act in the way antagonists in past FFs have done. It is mentioned in the Japanese version that innocent people are dying in the battles within Ivalice, and we have the case of the zombies who share the names of the bullies, which raises the question of how many people were changed into monsters. And of course, we have the Totema, who rather than oppose Marche, aid him on his journey. As such, the game has you control a boy who can certainly be compared antagonists such as Exdeath, but from his perspective.
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