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22nd Jul '17 10:53:22 AM Q4
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In the classic series, Time Lords did not randomly change sex. In the modern series, they do. Conclusion: classic and modern are different realities/continuities. "The Curse Of Fatal Death" has never been seriously considered as canon with regard to the classic series, but there seems no reason to exclude it from modern canon. The one snag is that even if we treat all the "different" Doctors in that story as temporary instabilities in the Doctor's appearance and personality resulting from a single regeneration (Romana's "try-on" regeneration may or may not be canon anymore, but if she is experimenting with different forms ''within'' the window of a single regeneration event, The Doctor could be doing the same in a less controlled way in ''Fatal Death''), and dismiss Tennant-Doctor's not-regeneration as... well, not a regeneration, assuming The Master is right that Rowan Atkinson's Doctor is the ninth, that still leaves us with the Doctor running out of regenerations before Smith, not Capaldi. But since the previous Doctors are no longer canon (except 1, and possibly 4 and/or 5), let's say The Master has simply miscounted. So we get the following... 1-7 not yet established in this continuity (though some version of Hartnell's Classic Series Doctor as 1 looks like being confirmed in this continuity in the 2017 christmas special), 8 Atkinson, 9 all the unstable doctors seen in The Curse Of Fatal Death, resolving into McGann offscreen minutes later, 10 Hurt, 11 Eccleston, 12 Tennant, 13 Smith, 14 Capaldi, 15 Whittaker. Either that, or the 12-regeneration limit from the classic series is, say, a 13- or 14-regeneration limit in the modern series (has a specific number ever been mentioned in the modern series? If not, we can keep the principle and just tweak the details).

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In the classic series, Time Lords did not randomly change sex. In the modern series, they do. Conclusion: classic and modern are different realities/continuities. "The Curse Of Fatal Death" has never been seriously considered as canon with regard to the classic series, but there seems no reason to exclude it from is not inconsistent with modern canon.canon, and given that it's written by Steven Moffat, who has worked very hard on welding it into canon, it seems like a good place to trace the modern series canon as starting from. The one snag is that even if we treat all the "different" Doctors in that story as temporary instabilities in the Doctor's appearance and personality resulting from a single regeneration (Romana's "try-on" regeneration may or may not be canon anymore, but if she is experimenting with different forms ''within'' the window of a single regeneration event, The Doctor could be doing the same in a less controlled way in ''Fatal Death''), and dismiss Tennant-Doctor's not-regeneration as... well, not a regeneration, assuming The Master is right that Rowan Atkinson's Doctor is the ninth, that still leaves us with the Doctor running out of regenerations before Smith, not Capaldi. But since the previous Doctors are no longer canon (except 1, and possibly 4 and/or 5), let's say The Master has simply miscounted. So we get the following... 1-7 not yet established in this continuity (though some version of Hartnell's Classic Series Doctor as 1 looks like being confirmed in this continuity in the 2017 christmas special), 8 Atkinson, 9 all the unstable doctors seen in The Curse Of Fatal Death, resolving into McGann [=McGann=] offscreen minutes later, 10 Hurt, 11 Eccleston, 12 Tennant, 13 Smith, 14 Capaldi, 15 Whittaker. Either that, or the 12-regeneration limit from the classic series is, say, a 13- or 14-regeneration limit in the modern series (has a specific number ever been mentioned in the modern series? If not, we can keep the principle and just tweak the details).
22nd Jul '17 10:49:06 AM Q4
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[[WMG: The classic series and the modern series are separate continuities, and in the modern series continuity, "The Curse Of Fatal Death" actually happened.]]
In the classic series, Time Lords did not randomly change sex. In the modern series, they do. Conclusion: classic and modern are different realities/continuities. "The Curse Of Fatal Death" has never been seriously considered as canon with regard to the classic series, but there seems no reason to exclude it from modern canon. The one snag is that even if we treat all the "different" Doctors in that story as temporary instabilities in the Doctor's appearance and personality resulting from a single regeneration (Romana's "try-on" regeneration may or may not be canon anymore, but if she is experimenting with different forms ''within'' the window of a single regeneration event, The Doctor could be doing the same in a less controlled way in ''Fatal Death''), and dismiss Tennant-Doctor's not-regeneration as... well, not a regeneration, assuming The Master is right that Rowan Atkinson's Doctor is the ninth, that still leaves us with the Doctor running out of regenerations before Smith, not Capaldi. But since the previous Doctors are no longer canon (except 1, and possibly 4 and/or 5), let's say The Master has simply miscounted. So we get the following... 1-7 not yet established in this continuity (though some version of Hartnell's Classic Series Doctor as 1 looks like being confirmed in this continuity in the 2017 christmas special), 8 Atkinson, 9 all the unstable doctors seen in The Curse Of Fatal Death, resolving into McGann offscreen minutes later, 10 Hurt, 11 Eccleston, 12 Tennant, 13 Smith, 14 Capaldi, 15 Whittaker. Either that, or the 12-regeneration limit from the classic series is, say, a 13- or 14-regeneration limit in the modern series (has a specific number ever been mentioned in the modern series? If not, we can keep the principle and just tweak the details).
15th Jul '17 4:48:56 PM Troper9
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5 and 11: Youngest actor so far to play the title role. Mostly travels with a female whose main feature is her legs. One companion is made to attempt to kill the Doctor by his enemies, but fails out of their relationship with him. Often travels with just two companions, a man and a woman. Anniversary series with Gallifrey. The Doctor dies with a brown-haired female close by, who he met a few episodes prior. He also hallucinates his former companions before he dies.

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5 and 11: Youngest actor so far to play the title role. Mostly travels with a female whose main feature is her legs. One companion is made to attempt to kill the Doctor by his enemies, but fails out of their relationship with him. Often travels with just two companions, a man and a woman.woman, which causes the TARDIS trio to consist of a blonde, brunette and redhead. Anniversary series with Gallifrey. The Doctor dies with a brown-haired female close by, who he met a few episodes prior. He also hallucinates his former companions before he dies.
8th Jul '17 9:08:53 AM Troper9
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6 and 12: Actor appeared as another character prior to taking on the role. Travels around with brown-haired female from his regeneration. Meets the Master after thinking he had died. In the final episode of the season, he confronts the Time Lords over their actions, calling them out over their behaviour. His companion is revealed to have 'survived', although she can't travel with him again, instead spending her life with another. Ridiculed by others on-screen.

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6 and 12: Actor appeared as another character prior to taking on the role. Travels around with brown-haired female from his regeneration. Meets the Master after thinking he had died. In the final episode of the season, he confronts the Time Lords over their actions, calling them out over their behaviour. His companion is revealed to have 'survived', although she can't travel with him again, instead spending her life with another. Ridiculed by others on-screen.
on-screen. His next female on-screen companion is a frizzy-haired woman with a unisex name, who eventually leaves him to travel the universe with somebody else from a prior adventure.
4th Jul '17 4:47:37 PM CritterKeeper
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* Perhaps each regeneration goes through its own version of adolescence, at different points in their lives? Nine had memories of "dancing" from his past but didn't seem to have a very strong sex drive himself, lots of intellectual flirting but little action. Ten took a while to be able to express such feelings, and let's face it, Handy seemed a lot more likely to give Rose what she wanted, while Ten was content to be best buds with Donna. Eleven seemed to react to the thought of Rory and Amy kissing or having sex in a very childish kissing-is-icky way, and he seemed to range from oblivious to looking-but-no-further at first, but around the time River kissed him he started finding such things less distasteful.
* Or, perhaps it's just that Time Lords are only ''really'' attracted to their own species, and anything else is done out of loneliness. The only person we've seen any real lasting enthusiasm towards was River, who counts as half-Time Lord or proto-Time Lord. And possibly the Master/Mistress, depending on how easily you see slash instead of longstanding close friendship.
26th Jun '17 5:45:05 PM PuritanPhysicist
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''The Web of Fear'' and ''The Enemy of the World'' were first re-discovered in late 2011[[note]]Though not released until October 2013[[/note]], long before production on ''The Snowmen'' and the second half of Series 7, which featured the return of the Great Intelligence. Now, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS36E11WorldEnoughAndTime the Series]] [[Recap/DoctorWhoS36E12TheDoctorFalls Ten finale]] features the return of another classic villain whose earliest episodes were mostly wiped: the Cybermen.

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''The Web of Fear'' and ''The Enemy of the World'' were first re-discovered in late 2011[[note]]Though not released until October 2013[[/note]], long before production on ''The Snowmen'' and the second half of Series 7, which featured the return of the Great Intelligence. Now, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS36E11WorldEnoughAndTime the Series]] [[Recap/DoctorWhoS36E12TheDoctorFalls Ten finale]] features the return of another classic villain whose earliest episodes were mostly wiped: the [[spoiler:Mondasian]] Cybermen.
26th Jun '17 5:44:27 PM PuritanPhysicist
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[[WMG: One of the missing Cybermen episodes[=/=]serials has been discovered, and will be released soon.]]
''The Web of Fear'' and ''The Enemy of the World'' were first re-discovered in late 2011[[note]]Though not released until October 2013[[/note]], long before production on ''The Snowmen'' and the second half of Series 7, which featured the return of the Great Intelligence. Now, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS36E11WorldEnoughAndTime the Series]] [[Recap/DoctorWhoS36E12TheDoctorFalls Ten finale]] features the return of another classic villain whose earliest episodes were mostly wiped: the Cybermen.
13th Apr '17 6:35:12 PM nombretomado
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And give us a {{crossover}}. [[RuleOfCool Because]] SlenderMan vs. the Doctor [[CoolVersusAwesome would be]] '''[[SugarWiki/SoCoolItsAwesome awesome]]'''.

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And give us a {{crossover}}. [[RuleOfCool Because]] SlenderMan [[Franchise/TheSlenderManMythos Slender Man]] vs. the Doctor [[CoolVersusAwesome would be]] '''[[SugarWiki/SoCoolItsAwesome awesome]]'''.
9th Apr '17 3:28:15 AM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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** That was another incarnation of the Doctor.


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[[WMG: The Doctor can't even remember his MysteriousPast.]]
He's been travelling through time and space for thousands of years at minimum, been involved in way too many retcons and timeline alterations to count. God knows how many times [[TimeMaster the Time Lords themselves]] must have changed their own timeline in the Last Great Time War. While he has a vague idea on who and where he was, TheFogOfAges means he's unable to remember precise details about his early life and the constant changes to history exacerbate this. Most Time Lords don't have this problem because they live most of their lives on Gallifrey, not playing around the TimeyWimeyBall with wild abandon.

[[WMG: The recent romances are a mid-life crisis.]]
Hence why he started to be more open to the idea by his 8th incarnation and beyond. 10 and 11 are [[DirtyOldMan dirty old men]] by Time Lord standards.


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[[WMG: [[MultipleChoicePast All origin stories of the Time Lords]] are canon.]]
Thanks to numerous Time Wars and general TimeMaster stuff, they ended up changing their own history; either because it benefited them or [[NiceJobBreakingItHero as a side-effect of screwing with time]]. It's gotten to the point even they aren't sure how much they impacted time and what their original origin was before altering the timeline.
5th Apr '17 9:16:41 PM nombretomado
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In a cross between PlanescapeTorment and the resurrection gloves from Torchwood, regenerations are actually powered by sacrificing the lives of random strangers across the universe. The 13 regeneration limit was imposed by the Time Lords to limit the sacrifices made in their name, and the mechanism is a limit on the number of time-energy bridges between the sacrificed person and the receiving Time Lord. Naturally it's a secret closely guarded by the Time Lords, but it's one the Doctor will have to face when he reaches his thirteenth regeneration and realises that he can continue living, but at a cost...

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In a cross between PlanescapeTorment ''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment'' and the resurrection gloves from Torchwood, regenerations are actually powered by sacrificing the lives of random strangers across the universe. The 13 regeneration limit was imposed by the Time Lords to limit the sacrifices made in their name, and the mechanism is a limit on the number of time-energy bridges between the sacrificed person and the receiving Time Lord. Naturally it's a secret closely guarded by the Time Lords, but it's one the Doctor will have to face when he reaches his thirteenth regeneration and realises that he can continue living, but at a cost...
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