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1st Aug '17 11:13:55 AM Lullabee
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(Incidentally, if Susan was born about a year after ''Discworld/{{Mort}}'', then since Mort's hourglass is turned over at the end, he'd live about 16 years past when he was originally due to die at the age of 16ish. Death seems to imply that Mort may live longer than that ["YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT, said Death coldly. MATHEMATICS ISN'T ALL IT'S CRACKED UP TO BE."], but he might just be telling Mort not to think about it too hard since he'll live a reasonably full life in the 16ish years he has left. In that case, all the maths would work out ''really neatly'', actually.)
1st Aug '17 10:36:25 AM Lullabee
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** It's actually spelled out that Snapcase wasn't Lord Snapcase until he became the Patrician, so this is perfectly reasonable.

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** It's actually spelled out that Snapcase wasn't Lord Snapcase until he became the Patrician, so this is perfectly reasonable.
reasonable. Actually, he could just be referred to as "Lord Vetinari" in the footnote about taxing the rat farms because it's looking back from a time when he already had the title?
1st Aug '17 9:46:32 AM Lullabee
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** It's actually spelled out that Snapcase wasn't Lord Snapcase until he became the Patrician, so this is perfectly reasonable.


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[[WMG:Vetinari didn't become the Patrician until after ''Discworld/{{Mort}}'']]
In ''Discworld/TheColourOfMagic'', the Patrician doesn't seem very much like Vetinari. Also, we're told that Ankh-Morpork has "thieves' guilds", plural, with no information about their legality. In ''Discworld/GuardsGuards'', we're told that Vetinari is responsible for "the legalising of the ancient Guild of Thieves", which already existed. The main reason the Patrician in ''Discworld/TheColourOfMagic'' allegedly has to have been Vetinari is on account of the thieves' guild existing, but he didn't ''found'' it, he just ''legalized'' it when it already existed.

Also, the Patrician in ''Discworld/{{Mort}}'' is stated to be celebrating the 10th anniversary of his having got the job. Susan Sto Helit is born after that and is 16 as of ''Discworld/SoulMusic'', and an adult at the time of ''Discworld/ThiefOfTime'' and ''Discworld/NightWatch'' (which happen at the same time). As of ''Discworld/NightWatch'', Vetinari was apparently in his mid/late teens 30 years in the past. Assuming Susan is 19 in ''Discworld/ThiefOfTime'' (she seems a bit older, but maybe she's just precocious) and was born a year after her parents got married, and Vetinari is 47 in the present day of ''Discworld/NightWatch'' and 17 in the past, he'd have had to become the Patrician when he was [[ImprobableAge merely 17 years old]]. But Snapcase, in fact, became the Patrician in the past of ''Discworld/NightWatch'', right on schedule to be celebrating his 10th anniversary in ''Discworld/{{Mort}}''. So it actually makes perfect sense.
9th Jul '17 8:48:15 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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** I didn't read that as having to do with Dungeons and Dragons, nor was that how I wrote when adding to the guess. A clay golem is a statue made of clay, bought to life by Divine power. A flesh golem (under the premise of the guess) is a statue made of flesh and bone, brought to life by an unknown power (in D&D, either Arcane or Divine power, and in this case by ''[[PunkPunk Science]][[ForScience !]]]]) What's the problem?

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** I didn't read that as having to do with Dungeons and Dragons, nor was that how I wrote when adding to the guess. A clay golem is a statue made of clay, bought to life by Divine power. A flesh golem (under the premise of the guess) is a statue made of flesh and bone, brought to life by an unknown power (in D&D, either Arcane or Divine power, and in this case by ''[[PunkPunk Science]][[ForScience !]]]]) !]]) What's the problem?
9th Mar '17 7:24:08 AM Lullabee
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* WMG/RaisingSteam
13th Nov '16 5:56:18 AM HazelMcCallister
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\n* Not really. She's only taking over as a copyright holder at Narrativia Limited, and will "[[https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jun/12/terry-pratchett-daughter-fans-shepherds-crown-last-discworld-novel work on adaptations, spin-offs, maybe tie-ins]]," but has explicitly stated that the novels are over as of The Shepherd's Crown.





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* Also, according to Discworld/MakingMoney, dwarfs just don't ''like'' golems (they remind them of trolls). Granted, that doesn't make it impossible, but it does make it less likely.


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[[WMG: Cohen and Rincewind really are the preincarnations of One Sun Mirror and the Great Wizard.]]
Scrofula implies near the end of Discworld/TheColourOfMagic that Rincewind is going to reincarnate, and Discworld/TheTruth provides evidence that reincarnation isn't always linear.

And this happens constantly. Consider Rincewind's reflections on meeting Dibhala in Discworld/InterestingTimes:"There was, he thought, probably something in the idea that there were only a few people in the world. There were lots of bodies, but only a few people." This is because all these suspiciously similar strangers are in fact incarnations of the same soul.
7th Oct '16 2:41:58 PM TargetOnMyBack
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[[WMG: Slood and Blit.]]
Slood is an immovable object. Blit is an unstoppable force. They haven't met yet, but there has been some heated correspondence.
22nd Jun '16 7:48:16 PM loracarol
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** I believe Count Magpyr was the reason Lacrimosa never aged past her teenage years, I can'r remember the quote but Lacrimosa argues with her father when she finds outr she'll be a teenager forever.

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** I believe Count Magpyr was the reason Lacrimosa never aged past her teenage years, I can'r can'tell remember the quote but Lacrimosa argues with her father when she finds outr out she'll be a teenager forever.



* And what else was Creator/MaryWollestonecraftShelley's ''Literature/{{Frankenstein}}'' ''but'' a flesh golem - made out of human parts and animated by an external command?

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* And what else was Creator/MaryWollestonecraftShelley's Mary Shelley's ''Literature/{{Frankenstein}}'' ''but'' a flesh golem - made out of human parts and animated by an external command?



* It ''is'' possible, Vetinari being Vetinari, that Carcer is currently tied up in a solid iron straightjacket with one of those Hannibal-Lecter face masks, chained to a really thick pillar with a dozen heavy chains, inside a stone-and-octiron cell deep, deep under the ground where it can only be reached by going through a series of fortified tunnels practically-overflowing with [=DaQuirm=]-designed deathtraps, guarded by a phalanx of those Umnian golems whom Vetinari has somehow convinced to answer to him and only him. Having faked the man's death so well that even Vimes wouldn't notice. Just in case he ever encounters a situation that can only be solved by a man with even fewer morals than Vetinari himself.

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* It ''is'' possible, Vetinari being Vetinari, that Carcer is currently tied up in a solid iron straightjacket with one of those Hannibal-Lecter face masks, chained to a really thick pillar with a dozen heavy chains, inside a stone-and-octiron cell deep, deep under the ground where it can only be reached by going through a series of fortified tunnels practically-overflowing with [=DaQuirm=]-designed da Quirm-designed deathtraps, guarded by a phalanx of those Umnian golems whom Vetinari has somehow convinced to answer to him and only him. Having faked the man's death so well that even Vimes wouldn't notice. Just in case he ever encounters a situation that can only be solved by a man with even fewer morals than Vetinari himself.
22nd Jun '16 7:30:58 PM loracarol
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** The problem with your refutal is the "self-proclaimed". Like most of the stuff that seems to happen to Vimes, if it happens it's just gonna happen to him (like the being promoted Commander of the Watch, Knighted and subsequently... EnDuked?), he'll complain about it, mostly to himself, then just go on as if nothing happened. Even if he becomes a god, he'll still be a Watchman first and foremost. Plus, it opens up the chance for Vetinari to reinstate him in the Watch as "ethnic minority" (as he'd be, you know, a demigod), if only because that'd piss Vimes off royally.

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** The problem with your refutal is the "self-proclaimed". Like most of the stuff that seems to happen to Vimes, if it happens it's just gonna happen to him (like the being promoted Commander of the Watch, Knighted and subsequently... EnDuked?), [=EnDuked=]?), he'll complain about it, mostly to himself, then just go on as if nothing happened. Even if he becomes a god, he'll still be a Watchman first and foremost. Plus, it opens up the chance for Vetinari to reinstate him in the Watch as "ethnic minority" (as he'd be, you know, a demigod), if only because that'd piss Vimes off royally.



** [[Smug Snake]]: "Who are you?" Vimes: "The Law you sons of bitches!"

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** [[Smug Snake]]: SmugSnake: "Who are you?" Vimes: "The Law you sons of bitches!"



*** Nah, that'd be NWCIS (Night Watch Criminal Inbvestigative Services).

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*** Nah, that'd be NWCIS (Night Watch Criminal Inbvestigative Investigative Services).
22nd Jun '16 7:22:01 PM loracarol
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* As evidence, in Feet of Clay,[[spoiler:Nobby is touted as potential king, due to his lineage]] showing what a ''real'' lost noble would be like, after so many years of 'Good breeding'.

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* As evidence, in Feet of Clay,[[spoiler:Nobby Clay, [[spoiler:Nobby is touted as potential king, due to his lineage]] showing what a ''real'' lost noble would be like, after so many years of 'Good 'good breeding'.



As mentioned above, the nature of belief in Discworld affects the object of the belief. We have any number of examples, from Om to the Hogfather, but most pertinently Borogravia's Duchess, described (by herself, no less) as "only a rather stupid woman" when she was alive, but on her death was elevated by the prayers of her desperate subjects to a godlike force, albeit one with only the ability to move "small things". Now consider Vimes' offhand reference in 'Guards! Guards!' to the extreme unlikelihood of there being a God of Watchmen, what with it not being a very glamorous gig, and how Pratchett often likes to set these things up * decades* in advance. Then consider: Vimes as he is by the end of 'Thud!' is known to pretty much ''everyone'' as an unstoppable force. He's arrested a dragon, the Patrician, two whole countries, and he's fought trolls, werewolves, quasi-demonic dwarven rage beings, and the weight of history itself, and only lost to the last and even that was a close thing. Watchmen across the continent, in his own words, have been taught to salute him. He has earned the respect and loyalty of every Watchman in Ankh-Morpork, and they fear almost nothing quite so much as the prospect of his "going spare". It has been inferred by Angua ("Vimes puts words in his head") that a large part of the reason Carrot hasn't stepped up to claim his birthright is that "Old Stoneface" has very...''specific'' views about kings, and Carrot is bowing to those views out of respect for the man as much as for the good of the city. He has the respect of both Diamond King of Trolls and the Low King (and the abject terror, no doubt, of any dwarf that claps eyes on the exit wound left on his arm by the Summoning Dark), and by now the majority of the smart undead, both local and Uberwaldean, have figured out that playing "les bugres risibles" with slow, plodding Vimes is a quick route to pain. And finally, he has Lady Sybil, who just plain loves and believes in him, and if he keeps his six o'clock appointments the way he's shown so far, Young Sam will probably follow suit. Likely result: Dunmanifestin is in for a very nasty surprise when Samuel Vimes bites it. Especially since, given that it's Vimes, he won't like it one little bit.

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As mentioned above, the nature of belief in Discworld affects the object of the belief. We have any number of examples, from Om to the Hogfather, but most pertinently Borogravia's Duchess, described (by herself, no less) as "only a rather stupid woman" when she was alive, but on her death was elevated by the prayers of her desperate subjects to a godlike force, albeit one with only the ability to move "small things". Now consider Vimes' offhand reference in 'Guards! Guards!' to the extreme unlikelihood of there being a God of Watchmen, what with it not being a very glamorous gig, and how Pratchett often likes to set these things up * decades* ''decades'' in advance. Then consider: Vimes as he is by the end of 'Thud!' is known to pretty much ''everyone'' as an unstoppable force. He's arrested a dragon, the Patrician, two whole countries, and he's fought trolls, werewolves, quasi-demonic dwarven rage beings, and the weight of history itself, and only lost to the last and even that was a close thing. Watchmen across the continent, in his own words, have been taught to salute him. He has earned the respect and loyalty of every Watchman in Ankh-Morpork, and they fear almost nothing quite so much as the prospect of his "going spare". It has been inferred by Angua ("Vimes puts words in his head") that a large part of the reason Carrot hasn't stepped up to claim his birthright is that "Old Stoneface" has very...''specific'' views about kings, and Carrot is bowing to those views out of respect for the man as much as for the good of the city. He has the respect of both Diamond King of Trolls and the Low King (and the abject terror, no doubt, of any dwarf that claps eyes on the exit wound left on his arm by the Summoning Dark), and by now the majority of the smart undead, both local and Uberwaldean, have figured out that playing "les bugres risibles" with slow, plodding Vimes is a quick route to pain. And finally, he has Lady Sybil, who just plain loves and believes in him, and if he keeps his six o'clock appointments the way he's shown so far, Young Sam will probably follow suit. Likely result: Dunmanifestin is in for a very nasty surprise when Samuel Vimes bites it. Especially since, given that it's Vimes, he won't like it one little bit.
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