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15th Oct '17 8:30:50 AM hannahstohelit
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[[WMG:Chelys Galacticas are [[Creator/StephenKing Maturin's]] children]]

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[[WMG:Chelys [[WMG: Chelys Galacticas are [[Creator/StephenKing Maturin's]] children]]children]]

[[WMG: Carrot and Angua will choose never to have children, due to their fear that they will end up too powerful.]]
Imagine, someone with the characteristics of a werewolf and the krisma of a Carrot? That person would have to be really really inherently good in order to avoid being turned to the bad, and as Angua saw (and in this WMG convinced Carrot), the risk is enormous considering her family history. Carrot and Angua never have biological children, but they work a lot with children and perhaps maybe even adopt.

[[WMG: Carrot would have been a tyrannical king had he been given the throne (and not been raised among dwarfs).]]
He has krisma, which is an extremely dangerous force. He is inherently direct and simple, which when raised in a somewhat puritan dwarf society meant that he ended up ethical and rule-focused and therefore good, but had he been given the throne young after a childhood in Ankh-Morpork, his directness and simpleness would probably have been entirely corrupted. To a king, direct and simple means to cut head off first, ask questions later. There are a lot of opportunities for a direct, simple, krismatic and unscrupulous king in Ankh-Morpork, and in fact that's almost certainly what happened with the original kings- and Old Stoneface Vimes was right to nip that in the bud. If Carrot were to become king of Ankh-Morpork now, he would be a basically good king but his own descendants would go back to the old model of kingship.
28th Sep '17 12:36:31 PM miruvor
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That's pretty harsh - the seediness of Ankh-Morpork in Guards!Guards! is nothing compared to the brutal and oppressive surveillance state we see in Night Watch. The improvements to the city in the later books are yet to come, but Men at Arms outright states that Vetinari not only made the city work for the first time in a thousand years, but that it's also become something of an economic heavyweight. Vimes himself concedes that he could not have set up a functioning Watch in Winder's city, as it would just have become another gang - in Vetinari's city, however, these changes are finally possible.

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* That's pretty harsh - the seediness of Ankh-Morpork in Guards!Guards! Guards! Guards! is nothing compared to the brutal and oppressive surveillance state we see in Night Watch. The improvements to the city in the later books are yet to come, but Men at Arms outright states that Vetinari not only made the city work for the first time in a thousand years, but that it's also become something of an economic heavyweight. Vimes himself concedes that he could not have set up a functioning Watch in Winder's city, as it would just have become another gang - in Vetinari's city, however, these changes are finally possible.
28th Sep '17 12:35:29 PM miruvor
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That's pretty harsh - the seediness of Ankh-Morpork in Guards!Guards! is nothing compared to the brutal and oppressive surveillance state we see in Night Watch. The improvements to the city in the later books are yet to come, but Men at Arms outright states that Vetinari not only made the city work for the first time in a thousand years, but that it's also become something of an economic heavyweight. Vimes himself concedes that he could not have set up a functioning Watch in Winder's city, as it would just have become another gang - in Vetinari's city, however, these changes are finally possible.
27th Sep '17 8:49:12 PM ScottMarshall
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* Jossed. The final Discworld novel was a Tiffany Aching novel, although it did show a scene detailing the acceptance of death, it was for Granny Weatherwax, the character Pterry probably related to the most, rather than Rincewind. Also, the overall theme of the book was more one of hope for the future, with Tiffany taking over for Granny and leading Lancre and the Chalk into the Disc's Modern Age.
27th Sep '17 8:42:35 PM ScottMarshall
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* The goblins built something very much like the Underground in the Shires in ''Raising Steam''; if not for Author Existence Failure, implementing the same system in the Undertaking would've just been a matter of time.
27th Sep '17 5:20:36 PM MattP5557
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[[WMG:Chelys Galacticas are [[Creator/StephenKing Maturin's]] children]]
1st Aug '17 11:13:55 AM Lullabee
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(Incidentally, if Susan was born about a year after ''Discworld/{{Mort}}'', then since Mort's hourglass is turned over at the end, he'd live about 16 years past when he was originally due to die at the age of 16ish. Death seems to imply that Mort may live longer than that ["YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT, said Death coldly. MATHEMATICS ISN'T ALL IT'S CRACKED UP TO BE."], but he might just be telling Mort not to think about it too hard since he'll live a reasonably full life in the 16ish years he has left. In that case, all the maths would work out ''really neatly'', actually.)
1st Aug '17 10:36:25 AM Lullabee
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** It's actually spelled out that Snapcase wasn't Lord Snapcase until he became the Patrician, so this is perfectly reasonable.

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** It's actually spelled out that Snapcase wasn't Lord Snapcase until he became the Patrician, so this is perfectly reasonable.
reasonable. Actually, he could just be referred to as "Lord Vetinari" in the footnote about taxing the rat farms because it's looking back from a time when he already had the title?
1st Aug '17 9:46:32 AM Lullabee
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** It's actually spelled out that Snapcase wasn't Lord Snapcase until he became the Patrician, so this is perfectly reasonable.


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[[WMG:Vetinari didn't become the Patrician until after ''Discworld/{{Mort}}'']]
In ''Discworld/TheColourOfMagic'', the Patrician doesn't seem very much like Vetinari. Also, we're told that Ankh-Morpork has "thieves' guilds", plural, with no information about their legality. In ''Discworld/GuardsGuards'', we're told that Vetinari is responsible for "the legalising of the ancient Guild of Thieves", which already existed. The main reason the Patrician in ''Discworld/TheColourOfMagic'' allegedly has to have been Vetinari is on account of the thieves' guild existing, but he didn't ''found'' it, he just ''legalized'' it when it already existed.

Also, the Patrician in ''Discworld/{{Mort}}'' is stated to be celebrating the 10th anniversary of his having got the job. Susan Sto Helit is born after that and is 16 as of ''Discworld/SoulMusic'', and an adult at the time of ''Discworld/ThiefOfTime'' and ''Discworld/NightWatch'' (which happen at the same time). As of ''Discworld/NightWatch'', Vetinari was apparently in his mid/late teens 30 years in the past. Assuming Susan is 19 in ''Discworld/ThiefOfTime'' (she seems a bit older, but maybe she's just precocious) and was born a year after her parents got married, and Vetinari is 47 in the present day of ''Discworld/NightWatch'' and 17 in the past, he'd have had to become the Patrician when he was [[ImprobableAge merely 17 years old]]. But Snapcase, in fact, became the Patrician in the past of ''Discworld/NightWatch'', right on schedule to be celebrating his 10th anniversary in ''Discworld/{{Mort}}''. So it actually makes perfect sense.
9th Jul '17 8:48:15 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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** I didn't read that as having to do with Dungeons and Dragons, nor was that how I wrote when adding to the guess. A clay golem is a statue made of clay, bought to life by Divine power. A flesh golem (under the premise of the guess) is a statue made of flesh and bone, brought to life by an unknown power (in D&D, either Arcane or Divine power, and in this case by ''[[PunkPunk Science]][[ForScience !]]]]) What's the problem?

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** I didn't read that as having to do with Dungeons and Dragons, nor was that how I wrote when adding to the guess. A clay golem is a statue made of clay, bought to life by Divine power. A flesh golem (under the premise of the guess) is a statue made of flesh and bone, brought to life by an unknown power (in D&D, either Arcane or Divine power, and in this case by ''[[PunkPunk Science]][[ForScience !]]]]) !]]) What's the problem?
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