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22nd Jun '16 7:48:16 PM loracarol
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** I believe Count Magpyr was the reason Lacrimosa never aged past her teenage years, I can'r remember the quote but Lacrimosa argues with her father when she finds outr she'll be a teenager forever.

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** I believe Count Magpyr was the reason Lacrimosa never aged past her teenage years, I can'r can'tell remember the quote but Lacrimosa argues with her father when she finds outr out she'll be a teenager forever.



* And what else was Creator/MaryWollestonecraftShelley's ''Literature/{{Frankenstein}}'' ''but'' a flesh golem - made out of human parts and animated by an external command?

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* And what else was Creator/MaryWollestonecraftShelley's Mary Shelley's ''Literature/{{Frankenstein}}'' ''but'' a flesh golem - made out of human parts and animated by an external command?



* It ''is'' possible, Vetinari being Vetinari, that Carcer is currently tied up in a solid iron straightjacket with one of those Hannibal-Lecter face masks, chained to a really thick pillar with a dozen heavy chains, inside a stone-and-octiron cell deep, deep under the ground where it can only be reached by going through a series of fortified tunnels practically-overflowing with [=DaQuirm=]-designed deathtraps, guarded by a phalanx of those Umnian golems whom Vetinari has somehow convinced to answer to him and only him. Having faked the man's death so well that even Vimes wouldn't notice. Just in case he ever encounters a situation that can only be solved by a man with even fewer morals than Vetinari himself.

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* It ''is'' possible, Vetinari being Vetinari, that Carcer is currently tied up in a solid iron straightjacket with one of those Hannibal-Lecter face masks, chained to a really thick pillar with a dozen heavy chains, inside a stone-and-octiron cell deep, deep under the ground where it can only be reached by going through a series of fortified tunnels practically-overflowing with [=DaQuirm=]-designed da Quirm-designed deathtraps, guarded by a phalanx of those Umnian golems whom Vetinari has somehow convinced to answer to him and only him. Having faked the man's death so well that even Vimes wouldn't notice. Just in case he ever encounters a situation that can only be solved by a man with even fewer morals than Vetinari himself.
22nd Jun '16 7:30:58 PM loracarol
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** The problem with your refutal is the "self-proclaimed". Like most of the stuff that seems to happen to Vimes, if it happens it's just gonna happen to him (like the being promoted Commander of the Watch, Knighted and subsequently... EnDuked?), he'll complain about it, mostly to himself, then just go on as if nothing happened. Even if he becomes a god, he'll still be a Watchman first and foremost. Plus, it opens up the chance for Vetinari to reinstate him in the Watch as "ethnic minority" (as he'd be, you know, a demigod), if only because that'd piss Vimes off royally.

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** The problem with your refutal is the "self-proclaimed". Like most of the stuff that seems to happen to Vimes, if it happens it's just gonna happen to him (like the being promoted Commander of the Watch, Knighted and subsequently... EnDuked?), [=EnDuked=]?), he'll complain about it, mostly to himself, then just go on as if nothing happened. Even if he becomes a god, he'll still be a Watchman first and foremost. Plus, it opens up the chance for Vetinari to reinstate him in the Watch as "ethnic minority" (as he'd be, you know, a demigod), if only because that'd piss Vimes off royally.



** [[Smug Snake]]: "Who are you?" Vimes: "The Law you sons of bitches!"

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** [[Smug Snake]]: SmugSnake: "Who are you?" Vimes: "The Law you sons of bitches!"



*** Nah, that'd be NWCIS (Night Watch Criminal Inbvestigative Services).

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*** Nah, that'd be NWCIS (Night Watch Criminal Inbvestigative Investigative Services).
22nd Jun '16 7:22:01 PM loracarol
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* As evidence, in Feet of Clay,[[spoiler:Nobby is touted as potential king, due to his lineage]] showing what a ''real'' lost noble would be like, after so many years of 'Good breeding'.

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* As evidence, in Feet of Clay,[[spoiler:Nobby Clay, [[spoiler:Nobby is touted as potential king, due to his lineage]] showing what a ''real'' lost noble would be like, after so many years of 'Good 'good breeding'.



As mentioned above, the nature of belief in Discworld affects the object of the belief. We have any number of examples, from Om to the Hogfather, but most pertinently Borogravia's Duchess, described (by herself, no less) as "only a rather stupid woman" when she was alive, but on her death was elevated by the prayers of her desperate subjects to a godlike force, albeit one with only the ability to move "small things". Now consider Vimes' offhand reference in 'Guards! Guards!' to the extreme unlikelihood of there being a God of Watchmen, what with it not being a very glamorous gig, and how Pratchett often likes to set these things up * decades* in advance. Then consider: Vimes as he is by the end of 'Thud!' is known to pretty much ''everyone'' as an unstoppable force. He's arrested a dragon, the Patrician, two whole countries, and he's fought trolls, werewolves, quasi-demonic dwarven rage beings, and the weight of history itself, and only lost to the last and even that was a close thing. Watchmen across the continent, in his own words, have been taught to salute him. He has earned the respect and loyalty of every Watchman in Ankh-Morpork, and they fear almost nothing quite so much as the prospect of his "going spare". It has been inferred by Angua ("Vimes puts words in his head") that a large part of the reason Carrot hasn't stepped up to claim his birthright is that "Old Stoneface" has very...''specific'' views about kings, and Carrot is bowing to those views out of respect for the man as much as for the good of the city. He has the respect of both Diamond King of Trolls and the Low King (and the abject terror, no doubt, of any dwarf that claps eyes on the exit wound left on his arm by the Summoning Dark), and by now the majority of the smart undead, both local and Uberwaldean, have figured out that playing "les bugres risibles" with slow, plodding Vimes is a quick route to pain. And finally, he has Lady Sybil, who just plain loves and believes in him, and if he keeps his six o'clock appointments the way he's shown so far, Young Sam will probably follow suit. Likely result: Dunmanifestin is in for a very nasty surprise when Samuel Vimes bites it. Especially since, given that it's Vimes, he won't like it one little bit.

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As mentioned above, the nature of belief in Discworld affects the object of the belief. We have any number of examples, from Om to the Hogfather, but most pertinently Borogravia's Duchess, described (by herself, no less) as "only a rather stupid woman" when she was alive, but on her death was elevated by the prayers of her desperate subjects to a godlike force, albeit one with only the ability to move "small things". Now consider Vimes' offhand reference in 'Guards! Guards!' to the extreme unlikelihood of there being a God of Watchmen, what with it not being a very glamorous gig, and how Pratchett often likes to set these things up * decades* ''decades'' in advance. Then consider: Vimes as he is by the end of 'Thud!' is known to pretty much ''everyone'' as an unstoppable force. He's arrested a dragon, the Patrician, two whole countries, and he's fought trolls, werewolves, quasi-demonic dwarven rage beings, and the weight of history itself, and only lost to the last and even that was a close thing. Watchmen across the continent, in his own words, have been taught to salute him. He has earned the respect and loyalty of every Watchman in Ankh-Morpork, and they fear almost nothing quite so much as the prospect of his "going spare". It has been inferred by Angua ("Vimes puts words in his head") that a large part of the reason Carrot hasn't stepped up to claim his birthright is that "Old Stoneface" has very...''specific'' views about kings, and Carrot is bowing to those views out of respect for the man as much as for the good of the city. He has the respect of both Diamond King of Trolls and the Low King (and the abject terror, no doubt, of any dwarf that claps eyes on the exit wound left on his arm by the Summoning Dark), and by now the majority of the smart undead, both local and Uberwaldean, have figured out that playing "les bugres risibles" with slow, plodding Vimes is a quick route to pain. And finally, he has Lady Sybil, who just plain loves and believes in him, and if he keeps his six o'clock appointments the way he's shown so far, Young Sam will probably follow suit. Likely result: Dunmanifestin is in for a very nasty surprise when Samuel Vimes bites it. Especially since, given that it's Vimes, he won't like it one little bit.
25th Mar '16 7:43:50 PM TheGreatSkrond
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[[WMG: The Time Monks are necessary to counteract relativistic time dilation.]]
* The speed of light is 300 mph. That's a lot less than the terminal velocity of a lot of falling objects. Falcons in our world dive at 200 mph, and witches on broomsticks could presumably do the same thing. Even the trains from Raising Steam going at, say, 70 mph would cause enough dilation to be measurable with a pendulum clock. So the Time Monks came into existence to cancel out/eliminate these effects, because people wouldn't be able to handle them mentally.
2nd Mar '16 9:05:41 PM MaxwellDaring
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[[WMG: [[Literature/ASymphonyOfEternity Metternich]] is from the Disc and is related to Rincewind.]]
* He's remarked several times that he at one point that he arrived in the empire, meaning that he emigrated from somewhere else.
** His inner monologues are similar to a Pratchet character and like Vimes, Cohen, Rincewind, GW and many others, he found himself many times over in a certain death situation that he manages to turn around and win.

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[[WMG: [[Literature/ASymphonyOfEternity Metternich]] is from the Disc and is related to Rincewind.]]
* He's remarked several times that he at one point that he arrived in the empire, meaning that he emigrated from somewhere else.
** His inner monologues are similar to a Pratchet character and like Vimes, Cohen, Rincewind, GW and many others, he found himself many times over in a certain death situation that he manages to turn around and win.


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[[WMG: [[Literature/ASymphonyOfEternity Metternich]] is from the Disc and is related to Rincewind.]]
* He's remarked several times that he at one point that he arrived in the empire, meaning that he emigrated from somewhere else.
** His inner monologues are similar to a Pratchet character and like Vimes, Cohen, Rincewind, GW and many others, he found himself many times over in a certain death situation that he manages to turn around and win.
8th Jan '16 1:51:54 PM AnneElliotsCat
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* Alternatively, this troper can totally see him as becoming the anthropomorphic personification of The Law.

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* Alternatively, this troper can totally see him as becoming the anthropomorphic personification of The Law. And perhaps being known as "Old Stoneface" or "The Guarding Dark," depending on your ethnic or religious background.
25th Nov '15 1:26:14 PM Elisabel
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* This makes so much sense. ''Discworld/GuardsGuards'' says (paraphrasing) "he wasn't actually a dictator; he never told anyone what to do". He simply makes a situation in which people will ''do'' what he wants them to do. It may be he's working towards ''a city that "goes" by itself''. This can explain why (also in ''Guards! Guards!'') he doesn't tell Vimes about the key - he's gotten used to only influencing situations by the most strategic and necessary touches, and Vimes can clearly escape the dungeon by himself - and why (in ''Discworld/FeetOfClay'') he let the Watch solve his poisoning when he knew the answer long before they did - he's decided a competent police force ''will'' be good for a city that runs itself, and he wants to see that they're competent. (Besides the fact that he finds Vimes entertaining.)
29th Oct '15 6:49:07 PM cillianflood
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And it will be a dual Rincewind/Death novel detailing the accepting of death and finally showing the end to the first protagonist. Probably won't happen, but I don't believe it's true, it never will be.

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And it will be a dual Rincewind/Death novel detailing the accepting of death and finally showing the end to the first protagonist. Probably won't happen, but if I don't believe it's true, it never will be.
21st Oct '15 8:29:07 PM Sharlee
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* Certainly trolls accept the notion of prophecy, and one of theirs came true after a ''very'' long time: the '''very first''' troll characters in the series (not counting the non-speaking role of Offler's unlucky playing piece in ''The Colour of Magic'') befriended Rincewind in ''The Light Fantastic'' because of a prophecy that he'd come looking for onions.
20th Oct '15 12:37:54 PM cillianflood
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[[WMG: The final Discworld Novel will be published posthumously on a significant anniversary]]
And it will be a dual Rincewind/Death novel detailing the accepting of death and finally showing the end to the first protagonist. Probably won't happen, but I don't believe it's true, it never will be.
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