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7th Oct '15 11:49:38 AM Chabal2
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* Oh come now, it's ''completely'' implausible. Imagine if a Chaos Space Marine was defeated by the Blood Ravens, then came back to life serving a different Legion and considerably more bloodthirsty than their previous in-love-with-their-own-voice MagnificentBastard self. Why, the fanbase would revolt and hate this character!
26th Aug '15 4:57:26 AM shroobot3000
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*Well Cyrus mentions Karauva so Boreale definitely got himself and four or so companies killed. Possibly Kyras intentionally put him in a position beyond his skill to weaken the Blood Ravens to more easily sway them to Chaos.
30th Jun '15 5:40:16 AM GloriousMongoose
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*Yeah but it is Sindri though and he's infamous for somehow planning for everything. It might not be too farfetched to assume he disguised some souls as his and force fed them to the daemon



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10th Jun '15 6:23:51 AM Willbyr
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** They were assigned elsewhere ''just'' as Stubbs' base is attacked. ThereAreNoCoincidences in Warhammer40K, only Tzeentch's plans coming together.

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** They were assigned elsewhere ''just'' as Stubbs' base is attacked. ThereAreNoCoincidences in Warhammer40K, 40K, only Tzeentch's plans coming together.
31st May '15 7:58:58 AM Prfnoff
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Consider: In DOW2, the reason your five squads are expected to hold three planets are because that's all the Chapter can spare, not having replaced the devastating losses on Kaurava. This is because it's a much better justification than your Force Commander being both the youngest in history and the most skilled. Thus in order to make it palatable by the players, they deliberately made Soulstorm as bad as possible so the players would have as much reason to hate them as Cyrus (who would also have no reason to fall to Chaos were it not for the incompetence of Indrick Boreale).

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Consider: In DOW2, ''Dawn of War II'', the reason your five squads are expected to hold three planets are because that's all the Chapter can spare, not having replaced the devastating losses on Kaurava. This is because it's a much better justification than your Force Commander being both the youngest in history and the most skilled. Thus in order to make it palatable by the players, they deliberately made Soulstorm as bad as possible so the players would have as much reason to hate them as Cyrus (who would also have no reason to fall to Chaos were it not for the incompetence of Indrick Boreale).
23rd May '15 4:07:23 PM nombretomado
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*** Or maybe loyalist Black Legion/Sons Of Horus/Luna Wolves? The existance of such would piss Abbadon off.

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*** Or maybe loyalist Black Legion/Sons Of Horus/Luna Wolves? The existance existence of such would piss Abbadon off.



** Nah, loyalist Thousand Sons, except that, at the time of HorusHeresy, they were told they could continue if 1) they kept their origin secret and 2) they let their geneseed be modified somewhat by the introduction of some elements from another Legion's geneseed. They therefore kept it secret even from most brothers (so it would never slip out) and chose the Raven Guard as the most compatible, thus explaining why they are not obviously Thousand Sons.

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** Nah, loyalist Thousand Sons, except that, at the time of HorusHeresy, Literature/HorusHeresy, they were told they could continue if 1) they kept their origin secret and 2) they let their geneseed be modified somewhat by the introduction of some elements from another Legion's geneseed. They therefore kept it secret even from most brothers (so it would never slip out) and chose the Raven Guard as the most compatible, thus explaining why they are not obviously Thousand Sons.



* Latest news fresh from the press; the HorusHeresy Novel ''A Thousand Sons'' has a scene where a women psyker forsees the Thousand Son's future and explicitly sees a Raven of Blood. Not quite confirmation but a step closer...

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* Latest news fresh from the press; the HorusHeresy Literature/HorusHeresy Novel ''A Thousand Sons'' has a scene where a women psyker forsees the Thousand Son's future and explicitly sees a Raven of Blood. Not quite confirmation but a step closer...
20th May '15 5:57:13 AM Juicehead_Baby
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The Horus Heresy books have hinted at the Thousand Sons being the Blood Ravens' progenitor legion, and the chapter has just purged itself of Kyras' corruption. Along with the WMG above about Tzeench's daemons coming into focus in Dawn of War III, it seems like the best way to continue the plotline about the chapter's mysteries would be to finally confront them with the truth: that they are the descendants of traitors, and force them into conflict with the legion they originated from. This could also be used to provide a nice change of style in the antagonist: rather than another brutish Khorne-worshipper who focuses on honourable combat, the Blood Ravens could be forced to match their strategic prowess with TheChessmaster, who when finally confronted is a powerful EvilSorcerer with reality-bending powers, perhaps even a sympathetic figure who wishes to corrupt the Blood Ravens out of a sense they were meant to be brothers, not enemies.

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The Horus Heresy books have hinted at the Thousand Sons being the Blood Ravens' progenitor legion, and the chapter has just purged itself of Kyras' corruption. Along with the WMG above about Tzeench's daemons coming into focus in Dawn of War III, it seems like the best way to continue the plotline about the chapter's mysteries would be to finally confront them with the truth: that they are the descendants of traitors, and force them into conflict with the legion they originated from. This could also be used to provide a nice change of style in the antagonist: rather than another brutish Khorne-worshipper who focuses on honourable combat, the Blood Ravens could be forced to match their strategic prowess with TheChessmaster, who when finally confronted is a powerful EvilSorcerer with reality-bending powers, perhaps even a sympathetic figure who wishes to corrupt the Blood Ravens out of a sense they were meant to be brothers, not enemies.
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[[WMG: Thaddeus is the Vanguard Veteran in ''VideoGame/KillTeam'']]
While the game itself doesn't mention which forge world it takes place over, it's very likely [[VideoGame/SpaceMarine Graia]]. We know the Blood Ravens had a small presence in the conflict and from the colors on the Caestus Assault Ram in the opening cutscene it appears the Blood Ravens are the canonical chapter for the player characters in ''Kill Team''. This would explain where Thaddeus is during ''Retribution''.
13th Apr '15 1:22:33 PM nombretomado
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** A lot of Black Library materal pretty heavily hints that the Ravens are loyalist Thousand Sons.
* In ''DawnOfWar: Dark Crusade'', when the Space Marines assault the Chaos Stronghold, Eliphas (the Chaos commander) suggest that the Blood Ravens are a loyalist faction of the Word Bearers.

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** A lot of Black Library materal material pretty heavily hints that the Ravens are loyalist Thousand Sons.
* In ''DawnOfWar: ''[[VideoGame/DawnOfWar Dawn of War: Dark Crusade'', Crusade]]'', when the Space Marines assault the Chaos Stronghold, Eliphas (the Chaos commander) suggest that the Blood Ravens are a loyalist faction of the Word Bearers.
4th Jan '15 8:17:59 PM storymasterb
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[[WMG: Dawn of War III will feature the Thousand Sons as the antagonists]]
The Horus Heresy books have hinted at the Thousand Sons being the Blood Ravens' progenitor legion, and the chapter has just purged itself of Kyras' corruption. Along with the WMG above about Tzeench's daemons coming into focus in Dawn of War III, it seems like the best way to continue the plotline about the chapter's mysteries would be to finally confront them with the truth: that they are the descendants of traitors, and force them into conflict with the legion they originated from. This could also be used to provide a nice change of style in the antagonist: rather than another brutish Khorne-worshipper who focuses on honourable combat, the Blood Ravens could be forced to match their strategic prowess with TheChessmaster, who when finally confronted is a powerful EvilSorcerer with reality-bending powers, perhaps even a sympathetic figure who wishes to corrupt the Blood Ravens out of a sense they were meant to be brothers, not enemies.
26th Sep '14 8:55:35 AM Jasin_Moridin
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* Thus, the batshit insane, frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic, and what other similarly undesirable nutcases had accumulated within the Alpha Legion due to long-term Warp exposure, were handed a "vitally important" mission to the Kaurava system because Alpharius/Omegon though the legion would be better off without them.

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* Thus, the batshit insane, frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic, and what other similarly undesirable nutcases had accumulated within the Alpha Legion due to long-term Warp exposure, were handed a "vitally important" mission to the Kaurava system because Alpharius/Omegon though thought the legion would be better off without them.
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