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4th May '16 9:49:46 AM aye_amber
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* Lovecraft ''was'' a troper. Ever read [[http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/essays/shil.aspx Supernatural Horror in Literature]]?

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* Lovecraft ''was'' a troper. Ever read [[http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/essays/shil.aspx Supernatural Horror in Literature]]?Literature?]]



** The Other Gods as representations of the abstract forces of the universe is a concept that originates in the prosaic poem ''[[http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Nyarlathotep Nyarlathotep]]'', the first introduction of the character, even though the Other Gods as entities had not been quite fleshed out yet. In it Nyarlathotep is presented as an immortal but human scientist who brings terrifying truths of the universe to the hapless masses. The term "Other Gods" is not present, only the idea of the blind forces of the physics as the true deities of this world:

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** The Other Gods as representations of the abstract forces of the universe is a concept that originates in the prosaic poem ''[[http://en.''[[https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Nyarlathotep Nyarlathotep]]'', the first introduction of the character, even though the Other Gods as entities had not been quite fleshed out yet. In it Nyarlathotep is presented as an immortal but human scientist who brings terrifying truths of the universe to the hapless masses. The term "Other Gods" is not present, only the idea of the blind forces of the physics as the true deities of this world:
4th May '16 9:48:09 AM aye_amber
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Like Nyarlathotep, [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/Hannibal Hannibal]] is a tall, regal man with a brilliant mind who delights in murder, deception, and manipulation. To boot, he pushes Will into madness, another calling card of Lovecraftian gods. Clearly, he's a 21st century avatar of the Outer Gods' messenger.

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Like Nyarlathotep, [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/Hannibal Hannibal]] Series/{{Hannibal}} is a tall, regal man with a brilliant mind who delights in murder, deception, and manipulation. To boot, he pushes Will into madness, another calling card of Lovecraftian gods. Clearly, he's a 21st century avatar of the Outer Gods' messenger.



* ''Alternate theory:'' The Hellstar itself is a servitor of Azathoth. Based on this [[http://godofwarlover.deviantart.com/art/Remina-190053741 short fanfic]].

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* ''Alternate theory:'' The Hellstar itself is a servitor of Azathoth. Based on this [[http://godofwarlover.deviantart.com/art/Remina-190053741 short fanfic]].
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* Immortality doesn't defy the laws of nature (which are really more like guidelines) - [[http://www.biochem.uci.edu/steele/PDFs/Hydra_senescence_paper.pdf Hydra is immortal]]. although of course it is a very simple cnidarian and not a frog/fish ruler of the Deep Ones.

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* Immortality doesn't defy the laws of nature (which are really more like guidelines) - [[http://www.biochem.uci.edu/steele/PDFs/Hydra_senescence_paper.pdf -- Hydra is immortal]].immortal. although of course it is a very simple cnidarian and not a frog/fish ruler of the Deep Ones.
10th Apr '16 10:32:24 PM CaptEquinox
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** I cant tell if this was a joke or not because if youve read his letters its clear he never was a Nihilistic NiezscheWannabe its also clearly he wasnt a nihilist he had philosophical beliefs he held to firmly, the only remarks he ever really made that implied he was one was when he was suffering severe depression after the death of his mother.

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** * I cant tell if this was a joke or not because if youve read his letters its clear he never was a Nihilistic NiezscheWannabe its also clearly he wasnt a nihilist he had philosophical beliefs he held to firmly, the only remarks he ever really made that implied he was one was when he was suffering severe depression after the death of his mother.mother.
* Part of his expressed nihilism was also an element of his [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decadent_movement Decadent]] phase, when he was writing things like "The Quest of Iranon" and "Celephais". He goes into detail on this at the opening of ''The Silver Key'' where Randolph Carter is seeking into various philosophies and worldviews after losing his way to the dreamlands.
1st Apr '16 7:12:35 PM CaptEquinox
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--> This novel dramatic paraphernalia consisted first of all of the [[HauntedCastle Gothic castle]], with its [[AncientEvil awesome antiquity]], vast distances and ramblings, deserted or ruined wings, [[GhostlyChill damp corridors]], [[AncientTomb unwholesome hidden catacombs]], and [[GhostStory galaxy of ghosts]] and [[CosmicHorrorStory appalling legends]], as a nucleus of suspense and daemoniac fright. In addition, it included the [[MagnificentBastard tyrannical and malevolent nobleman as villain]]; the [[MarySue saintly, long-persecuted, and generally insipid]] [[HauntedHeroine heroine]] who [[DamselInDistress undergoes the major terrors]] and serves as a point of view and focus for the readerís sympathies; the valorous and immaculate [[TheHero hero]], always [[KingIncognito of high birth but often in humble disguise]]; the convention of [[StockForeignName high-sounding foreign names]], mostly [[GratuitousItalian Italian]], for the characters; and the infinite array of stage properties which includes [[GhostLights strange lights]], damp [[TrapDoor trap-doors]], [[LightsOffSomebodyDies extinguished lamps]], [[TomeOfEldritchLore mouldy hidden manuscripts]], [[StockSoundEffects creaking]] [[BigCreakyDoor hinges]], [[{{Poltergeist}} shaking arras]], and the like. All this paraphernalia reappears with amusing sameness, yet sometimes with tremendous effect, throughout the history of the Gothic novel...

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--> This novel dramatic paraphernalia consisted first of all of the [[HauntedCastle Gothic castle]], with its [[AncientEvil awesome antiquity]], vast distances and ramblings, deserted or ruined wings, [[GhostlyChill damp corridors]], [[AncientTomb unwholesome hidden catacombs]], and [[GhostStory galaxy of ghosts]] and [[CosmicHorrorStory appalling legends]], as a nucleus of suspense and daemoniac fright. In addition, it included the [[MagnificentBastard tyrannical and malevolent nobleman as villain]]; the [[MarySue saintly, long-persecuted, and generally insipid]] [[HauntedHeroine heroine]] who [[DamselInDistress undergoes the major terrors]] and serves as a point of view and focus for the readerís sympathies; the valorous and immaculate [[TheHero hero]], always [[KingIncognito of high birth but often in humble disguise]]; the convention of [[StockForeignName high-sounding foreign names]], mostly [[GratuitousItalian Italian]], for the characters; and the infinite array of stage properties which includes [[GhostLights strange lights]], damp [[TrapDoor trap-doors]], [[LightsOffSomebodyDies extinguished lamps]], [[TomeOfEldritchLore mouldy hidden manuscripts]], [[StockSoundEffects creaking]] [[BigCreakyDoor [[SoMuchForStealth hinges]], [[{{Poltergeist}} shaking arras]], and the like. All this paraphernalia reappears with amusing sameness, yet sometimes with tremendous effect, throughout the history of the Gothic novel...
1st Apr '16 7:10:35 PM CaptEquinox
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* Lovecraft ''was'' a troper. Ever read [[http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/essays/shil.aspx Supernatural Horror in Literature]]?
--> This novel dramatic paraphernalia consisted first of all of the [[HauntedCastle Gothic castle]], with its [[AncientEvil awesome antiquity]], vast distances and ramblings, deserted or ruined wings, [[GhostlyChill damp corridors]], [[AncientTomb unwholesome hidden catacombs]], and [[GhostStory galaxy of ghosts]] and [[CosmicHorrorStory appalling legends]], as a nucleus of suspense and daemoniac fright. In addition, it included the [[MagnificentBastard tyrannical and malevolent nobleman as villain]]; the [[MarySue saintly, long-persecuted, and generally insipid]] [[HauntedHeroine heroine]] who [[DamselInDistress undergoes the major terrors]] and serves as a point of view and focus for the readerís sympathies; the valorous and immaculate [[TheHero hero]], always [[KingIncognito of high birth but often in humble disguise]]; the convention of [[StockForeignName high-sounding foreign names]], mostly [[GratuitousItalian Italian]], for the characters; and the infinite array of stage properties which includes [[GhostLights strange lights]], damp [[TrapDoor trap-doors]], [[LightsOffSomebodyDies extinguished lamps]], [[TomeOfEldritchLore mouldy hidden manuscripts]], [[StockSoundEffects creaking]] [[BigCreakyDoor hinges]], [[{{Poltergeist}} shaking arras]], and the like. All this paraphernalia reappears with amusing sameness, yet sometimes with tremendous effect, throughout the history of the Gothic novel...
21st Mar '16 3:51:32 PM gruegirl
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\n* Or alternately they wanted to abduct the narrator because they knew he was a [[spoiler:deep one hybrid.]]

7th Nov '15 11:14:29 PM SantosLHalper
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[[FromNobodyToNightmare The Dark Pharaoh was Nyarlathotep's old human identity]] [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence before ascending to godhood]]. Related to the above "The Dark Pharaoh is Nyarlathotep's true form", The Dark Pharaoh only ruled an Egyptian kingdom (albeit as brutally and cruelly as you'd expect a future EldritchAbomination would), but eventually stumbled upon the legends of the Ancient Ones, and [[AGodAmI decided getting the powers of an Eldritch God was WAY too good to pass up]]. Cue one even-more-demonic-than-usual cultist ceremony, and The Dark Pharaoh became Nyarlathotep. Assuming this theory is true, it'd probably explain why Nyarlathotep is described as having the "soul" of the Ancient Ones, and is THE definitive GodOfEvil in the CthulhuMythos while the other Ancient Ones run on BlueAndOrangeMorality - [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters as a former human, Nyarlathotep still has a soul with him]], [[AmbitionIsEvil only one rendered black with an insatiable lust for power]], [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide and made even worse now that he has Eldritch god-powers at his fingertips]].

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[[FromNobodyToNightmare The Dark Pharaoh was Nyarlathotep's old human identity]] [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence before ascending to godhood]]. Related to the above "The Dark Pharaoh is Nyarlathotep's true form", The Dark Pharaoh only ruled an Egyptian kingdom (albeit as brutally and cruelly as you'd expect a future EldritchAbomination would), but eventually stumbled upon the legends of the Ancient Ones, and [[AGodAmI decided getting the powers of an Eldritch God was WAY too good to pass up]]. Cue one even-more-demonic-than-usual cultist ceremony, and The Dark Pharaoh became Nyarlathotep. Assuming this theory is true, it'd probably explain why Nyarlathotep is described as having the "soul" of the Ancient Ones, and is THE definitive GodOfEvil in the CthulhuMythos while the other Ancient Ones run on BlueAndOrangeMorality - [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters as a former human, Nyarlathotep still has a soul with him]], [[AmbitionIsEvil only one rendered black with an insatiable lust for power]], [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide and made even worse now that he has Eldritch god-powers at his fingertips]].fingertips]].

[[WMG: Innsmouth in New England is named for the English town of Innsmouth in Celephais.]]
22nd Oct '15 3:53:28 PM Wanderwolf
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* True, in a way. Among others, "The Statement of Randolph Carter" is an almost word-for-word recounting of one of his nightmares.
30th Sep '15 10:16:36 AM ScroogeMacDuck
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[[WMG: The Deep Ones aren't that evil]]
''(this theory is only about "The Shadow over Innsmouth" taken as a standalone work, independent from any sequel or other mentions of the beasties in question)''
They're just some kind of [[StarfishAlien Starfish Aliens]], of the "unseen but living on Earth" variant. They certainly do look unsettling and bizarre to normal humans, but [[DarkIsNotEvil they do not do anything evil]]. Sure, they aren't [[OurAngelsAreDifferent angels]] either, but they're not worse than humans themselves. They did try to abduct the narrator at the end of the novelÖ but what were they to ''do'' ? Some human who thought they were evil demons was about to escape town and tell the world that they were devils waiting to be burnt at the stake ! They wanted to kill him, but reluctantly so, simply because it was either that or their whole species destroyed. For the "sacrifices" the old drunk talks about, maybe he was exaggerating that part, or being misinformed about it. Or perhaps they just sacrificed the humans Captain Obed offered them to some god of theirs ó genuinely, not maliciously ó, making them a "primitive" and "savage" people, but a sapient, humanlike people all the same, which remains far from the "feelingless devils" description they are often given.

26th Sep '15 2:21:33 PM HeWhoMustNotBeUsernamed
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**Uh... Isn't Astoria, Oregon where the Goonies live?
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