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5th Jul '16 5:05:30 PM Bissek
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[[WMG: The 597th is a powerhouse in the Grey Market of the Imperium Guard]]
Thanks to the Munitorum mixup over whether the 597th is one regiment or two, they get twice the supplies of any other infantry regiment. That means they have twice the amount of stuff available for grey market trading with other regiments. Cain is naturally aware of this, but he probably doesn't care so long as the quartermasters don't buy or sell anything that could get the regiment as a whole in trouble.
5th Jul '16 4:49:11 PM Bissek
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[[WMG: Someone will try to break up the 597th in a future book]]
It's explicitly mentioned that even though the Munitorum agreed to renaming the 296th/301st amalgamated regiment into the 597th, some records still think that they are two separate regiments, resulting in their receiving twice the amount of supplies and reinforcements that they should. This is an error that Cain, Kasteen and Broklaw never got around to resolving, because it's working in their favor. But sooner or later those records will cause the 296th and the 301st to be given separate assignments, which means that Cain will have to have to work fast to get things fixed before they have to split the regiment in half and send the halves to different worlds.
30th Jun '16 6:20:51 PM Gninnekrad
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[[WMG:Cain is totally honest in the archives, but ...]]
... the contradiction about what he says about his parents and what Amberly is able to dig up about them doesn't result from him telling lies. Rather, it comes from him ''having been lied to''. At some point, someone that he trusted told him the story about his parents (Guardsmen, killed by kroot) and he assumed, incorrectly, that whoever it was wasn't lying to him. It's possible that this was the same early tutor who convinced him that because he experienced concern for his own well-being, he was a terrible selfish coward, a judgement that he accepted and internalized but which was not completely true.

20th Jun '16 5:24:28 AM MattStriker
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[[WMG:Cain's parents weren't Guardsmen...they were part of an Inquisitor's retinue.]]
* As pointed out in the books, mixed-gender Guard regiments are rare to begin with and Guardsmen would have had to do something ''extremely'' heroic for their child to end up in a Schola. There's also the fact that Amberley is apparently unable to find any clear records. True, this is the Imperium, which occasionally loses entire planets to rounding errors, but still...Amberley has the resources of the Inquisition to work with, and a thorough "background check" of somebody she's working (and otherwise engaging...) with so closely would have had to be pretty high on her list of priorities.\\
So this is a bit weird....unless the records had been actively expunged by somebody with access to the same resources.\\
Here's one way the story could have gone:
** Cain's parents are petty criminals on some hive world. At some point, a con goes spectacularly bad and they're up in front of the local authorities. Deportation to the slag mines is imminent, when a passing Inquisitor recognizes useful talent (maybe it was them trying to scam the undercover Inquisitor that landed them in hot water?) and conscripts them on the spot. The Inquisitor presents a big stick (fail to serve the Inquisition faithfully and the slag mines will seem like a pleasure resort by comparison) and a small carrot (serve faithfully and your little son will be taken care of). Cain's parents, knowing an offer-you-can't-refuse when they see it, accept and become part of the retinue. Their son, left behind, is only told that they went to fight the Emperor's enemies. A few years later, a mission (possibly involving kroot, if -and that's a BIG if- we can trust Cain there) goes ploin-shaped and they both die. However, they've done well enough for the Inquisitor to honor their earlier promise. Cain is plucked from the hive city he was born in, his records are sanitized by the Inquisition and he's dropped into a Schola and thus into the career that'd end up bringing him into contact with the Inquisition yet again...

4th May '16 4:03:20 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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[[WMG: Cain, Jurgen, and possibly Amberly, are [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann spiral]] beings. ]]

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[[WMG: Cain, Jurgen, and possibly Amberly, are [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann spiral]] beings. ]]
2nd Mar '16 9:03:19 PM MaxwellDaring
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[[WMG:[[Literature/ASymphonyOfEternity Metternich]] is the reincarnation of Ciaphas Cain.]]
* Both are charistmatic leaders who try to avoid battle but always get sent to the worst of it.
* Both manage to turn defeat into victory.
** Not certain, since Metternich is described to have [[Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy blue skin and red eyes]], so maybe a combination of {{Literature/Flashman}} and a certain [[StarWars Grand Admiral?]]




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[[WMG:[[Literature/ASymphonyOfEternity Metternich]] is the reincarnation of Ciaphas Cain.]]
* Both are charistmatic leaders who try to avoid battle but always get sent to the worst of it.
* Both manage to turn defeat into victory.
** Not certain, since Metternich is described to have [[Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy blue skin and red eyes]], so maybe a combination of {{Literature/Flashman}} and a certain [[StarWars Grand Admiral?]]
20th Dec '15 6:29:25 PM Antigone3
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* ''Old Soldiers Never Die'' involved a fight against a Nurgle cult.
13th Nov '15 9:32:44 AM FF32
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Cain is Blackadder and Jurgen is Baldrick. It makes a ridiculous amount of sense if you think about it. This also means that ''{{Blackadder}}'' itself is set in the past of the 40k universe...which is probably a poison oak epileptic tree if you think about it.

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Cain is Blackadder and Jurgen is Baldrick. It makes a ridiculous amount of sense if you think about it. This also means that ''{{Blackadder}}'' ''Series/{{Blackadder}}'' itself is set in the past of the 40k universe...which is probably a poison oak epileptic tree if you think about it.
6th Nov '15 5:59:52 PM nombretomado
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* This theory seems quite possible. Similarily, in the ''{{Ravenor}}'' series, Wystan Frauka is a deeply unpleasant (not evil, just rude, boorish, and arrogant) person. But he has his blank limiter, so that may well shoot this one.

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* This theory seems quite possible. Similarily, in the ''{{Ravenor}}'' ''Literature/{{Ravenor}}'' series, Wystan Frauka is a deeply unpleasant (not evil, just rude, boorish, and arrogant) person. But he has his blank limiter, so that may well shoot this one.
12th Oct '15 3:59:39 PM roxana
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* When you consider the number of hairbreadth escapes and remarkable coincidences that regularly befall both Cain and Jurgen this theory seems quite believable.
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