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Remember how Claptrap's Robot Revolution "revived" the villains of both the main game and the other [=DLCs=]? There could be a DLC where the enemies are SiliconBasedLife (whom the Crystalisks are part of). Their interaction with humans has left them bitter, and they use Eridium (or some other crystal) to assimilate or revive lifeforms. And guess what- they're "[[CameBackWrong revived]]" Bloodwing, Roland, Angel, Helena Pierce and [[TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers Handsome Jack]], and you're forced to put all of them down!

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Remember how Claptrap's Robot Revolution "revived" the villains of both the main game and the other [=DLCs=]? There could be a DLC where the enemies are SiliconBasedLife (whom the Crystalisks are part of). Their interaction with humans has left them bitter, and they use Eridium (or some other crystal) to assimilate or revive lifeforms. And guess what- they're "[[CameBackWrong revived]]" Bloodwing, Roland, Angel, Helena Pierce and [[TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers Handsome Jack]], Jack, and you're forced to put all of them down!
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** This also explains at least part of the "Ceiling Chairs" ECHO logs from Tannis: Angel talking to via a speaker in one of the chairs when Tannis' torturers weren't around, and Tannis, because of her AmbiguousDisorder (confirmed to be Aspergers) thought that it was the chair itself talking to her.

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** This also explains at least part of the "Ceiling Chairs" ECHO logs from Tannis: Angel talking to via a speaker in one of the chairs when Tannis' torturers weren't around, and Tannis, because of her AmbiguousDisorder disorder (confirmed to be Aspergers) thought that it was the chair itself talking to her.
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[[WMG:Wilhelm will be a BonusBoss boss fight in a DLC]]



[[WMG:The [[BonusBoss Seraphs]] will be major future antagonists.]]

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[[WMG:The [[BonusBoss Seraphs]] Seraphs will be major future antagonists.]]
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* More than likely while the Vault Hunters were the weapon that stopped the Robolution, it is Jack who specifially ordered the annihilation of all remaining Claptraps in order to prevent another Robolution from happening again. Of course, since it was the Valt Hunters' excessive looting that caused CT's ninja switch to be activated in the first place, technically they are responsible for the eradication of the product line.

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* More than likely while the Vault Hunters were the weapon that stopped the Robolution, it is Jack who specifially specifically ordered the annihilation of all remaining Claptraps in order to prevent another Robolution from happening again. Of course, since it was the Valt Hunters' excessive looting that caused CT's ninja switch to be activated in the first place, technically they are responsible for the eradication of the product line.
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*** [[TestosteronePoisoning Torgue]] - Instead of recycling Bandits and Hyperion bots, Torgue's new army will consist of expies of [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Da Orkz]], or men running on TestosteronePoisoning. Since [[RatedMForManly Mr. Torgue]] was shown to be [[BruiserWithASoftCenter ultimately good at heart]] - [[HeroWithAnFInGood if not exactly performance]] - his mentioned shareholders would probably get sick of his idiocy, and try to depose him in a coup.

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*** [[TestosteronePoisoning Torgue]] - Instead of recycling Bandits and Hyperion bots, Torgue's new army will consist of expies of [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Da Orkz]], or men running on TestosteronePoisoning. Since [[RatedMForManly [[ManlyMan Mr. Torgue]] was shown to be [[BruiserWithASoftCenter ultimately good at heart]] - [[HeroWithAnFInGood if not exactly performance]] - his mentioned shareholders would probably get sick of his idiocy, and try to depose him in a coup.

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* Roland goes from [[UncleTomFoolery wise-cracking,]] [[BloodKnight bloodthirsty]] BoisterousBruiser who just loves his turret and the explosions he makes -- essentially a black Axton -- to a quiet, determined leader.
** Wait a minute... Roland wasn't the explosive specialist, Brick was.
* Mordecai goes from loud-yet-vaguely-professional, to a depressed Truxican slob.[[note]]I'm aware this is due to a change in voice actors.[[/note]]

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* Roland goes from [[UncleTomFoolery wise-cracking,]] [[BloodKnight bloodthirsty]] BoisterousBruiser who just loves his turret and the explosions he makes -- essentially a black Axton -- to a quiet, determined leader.
** Wait a minute... Roland wasn't the explosive specialist, Brick was.
* Mordecai goes from loud-yet-vaguely-professional, to a depressed Truxican slob.[[note]]I'm aware this is due to a change in voice actors.[[/note]]



* It's possible that, due to too much eridium exposure and/or Hyperion capture of the three, the Vault Hunters you see running around (except for Brick, who is Brick) are really Manchurian agents for the Hyperion cause that goes horribly wrong -- Roland would have built up an anti-Hyperion resistance to root out and identify all anti-Hyperion rebels and would have died to leave the anti-Hyperion resistance leaderless, Mordecai would have fooled Bloodwing into turning into yet another Eridium experiment, and Lilith would have become a secondary backup for Angel, after leading the player to the core and getting themselves killed. Handsome Jack, however, wasn't counting on the new Vault Hunters being tough sons of bitches.

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* It's possible that, due to too much eridium Eridium exposure and/or Hyperion capture of the three, the Vault Hunters you see running around (except for Brick, who is Brick) are really Manchurian agents for the Hyperion cause that goes horribly wrong -- Roland would have built up an anti-Hyperion resistance to root out and identify all anti-Hyperion rebels and would have died to leave the anti-Hyperion resistance leaderless, Mordecai would have fooled Bloodwing into turning into yet another Eridium experiment, and Lilith would have become a secondary backup for Angel, after leading the player to the core and getting themselves killed. Handsome Jack, however, wasn't counting on the new Vault Hunters being tough sons of bitches.



* Or, perhaps, they've just gone through character growth. Roland has grown into his role as a leader, becoming calmer and more responsible. Between games, Mordecai had a bad relationship with Moxxi, who was pretty much an emotional vampire to him and left him a shell of himself. Lilith has had a legend grow up around her, complete with more than one cargo cult in her honor. That can go to someone's head. Brick... is Brick.

[[WMG:The Vault-Hunters seen in the intro movie were in true Vault-Hunter mode already.]]

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* Or, perhaps, they've just gone through character growth. Roland has grown into his role as a leader, becoming calmer and more responsible. Between games, Mordecai had a bad relationship with Moxxi, who was pretty much an emotional vampire to him and left him a shell of himself. Lilith has had a legend grow up around her, complete with more than one cargo cult in her honor. That can go to someone's head. [[RunningGag Brick... is Brick.

Brick.]]

[[WMG:The Vault-Hunters seen in the intro movie were in true Vault-Hunter [[NewGamePlus True Vault-Hunter]] mode already.]]



The 4 Vault Hunters seem to be working together in the beginning, and it's unlikely they'd just all hit the same train at the same time. I bet Handsome Jack hired them with the express purpose of "Turning" on them, so they'd never expect that they were pawns in his plan. Any character that wasn't used died in the crash, explaining why not everyone makes it through the intro. Gaige was just on the train as a passenger, and Jack thinks her whole Deathtrap deal is good enough, so he decides to use her as well.

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The 4 Vault Hunters seem to be working together in the beginning, and it's unlikely they'd just all hit the same train at the same time. I bet Handsome Jack hired them with the express purpose of "Turning" on them, so they'd never expect that they were pawns in his plan. Any character that wasn't used died in the crash, explaining why not everyone makes it through the intro. Gaige was just on the train as a passenger, and Jack thinks her whole Deathtrap deal is good enough, so he decides to use her as well.



* I hate to shoot this down, but I don't think this will be likely -- after all, both sets of Vault Hunters are basically good -- [[BlackAndGreyMorality at least, compared to the Bandits and Atlas/Hyperion]] -- and fans would probably riot if they turned into the FiveManBand of the next game. That said, since Lilith and Brick [[FakeDefector secretly became leaders of Bandit tribes to keep them in check]], it may be possible the New Vault Hunters would do the same thing, using these personas as their cover, and may oppose the new players as an up to eleven TricksterMentor.. Admittedly, if one of them would pull a FaceHeelTurn, it would DEFINITELY be [=Zer0=], literally because he has the least backstory and the most... [[AmbiguouslyEvil "questionable" moral code]].
** This Troper would certainly love to see this happen, provided each character's downfall is realistic and gets plenty of exposition and quests (maybe discovering ECHO recordings and the like) and thus doesn't seem like an AssPull.

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* I hate to shoot this down, but I don't think this will be likely Unlikely -- after all, both sets of Vault Hunters are basically good -- [[BlackAndGreyMorality at least, compared to the Bandits and Atlas/Hyperion]] -- and fans would probably riot if they turned into the FiveManBand of the next game. That said, since Lilith and Brick [[FakeDefector secretly became leaders of Bandit tribes to keep them in check]], it may be possible the New Vault Hunters would do the same thing, using these personas as their cover, and may oppose the new players as an up to eleven TricksterMentor.. Admittedly, if one of them would pull a FaceHeelTurn, it would DEFINITELY be [=Zer0=], literally because he has the least backstory and the most... [[AmbiguouslyEvil "questionable" moral code]].
** This Troper would certainly love to see this happen, provided each character's downfall is realistic and gets plenty of exposition and quests (maybe discovering ECHO recordings and the like) and thus doesn't seem like an AssPull.
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* {{Jossed}}. In both ''Tales from the Borderlands'' and ''Borderlands 3'' they're still all good guys.



As a kind of prophecy, entities with certain traits must be present; whether one has an Eridium Charged Vault Key or not. This is why Jack assembled the second team. And had Angel assemble the first team. In a twisted way, he's right. He WAS the one who set into motion the opening of the first vault.

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As a kind of prophecy, entities with certain traits must be present; whether one has an Eridium Charged Vault Key or not. This is why Jack assembled the second team. And team, and had Angel assemble the first team. In a twisted way, he's right. He WAS the one who set into motion the opening of the first vault.



I think that explains why, in the first game, Bloodwing was a boy, and in the second, it has been retconned as a her.

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I think that That may explains why, in the first game, Bloodwing was a boy, and in the second, it has been retconned as a her.



** There's a Franchise/JurassicPark joke somewhere in that statement.

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** There's a Franchise/JurassicPark joke somewhere in that statement.



Axton's ex-wife Sarah, when all's said and done, was very loyal to Axton, and he was loyal back. She died before the events of the game, and considering what series this is, we can easily assume it wasn't natural causes. Axton somehow managed to rescue her brain intact (or intact enough that it could serve as the turret's [=CPU=]) and installed it in his turret, so he'd have his wife with him forever. When he calls her honey, sweetie, and all those cute names? That's ACTUAL affection. When he says "Have you met the missus?" It's because it IS his missus. This also would make sense as a stealth ShoutOut: dead wife turned into a tool for her still living husband? And her husband's a COMMANDO? [[VideoGame/BionicCommando Where have I seen this before?]]

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Axton's ex-wife Sarah, when all's said and done, was very loyal to Axton, and he was loyal back. She died before the events of the game, and considering what series this is, we can easily assume it wasn't natural causes. Axton somehow managed to rescue her brain intact (or intact enough that it could serve as the turret's [=CPU=]) and installed it in his turret, so he'd have his wife with him forever. When he calls her honey, sweetie, and all those cute names? That's ACTUAL affection. When he says "Have you met the missus?" It's because it IS his missus. This also would make sense as a stealth ShoutOut: dead wife turned into a tool for her still living husband? And her husband's a COMMANDO? [[VideoGame/BionicCommando Where have I seen this before?]]That surely rings some bells...]]



* Jossed. Sarah is still alive by the time of the game, as shown by the Sir Hammerlock DLC.

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* Jossed. Sarah is still alive by the time of the game, as shown by the Sir ''Sir Hammerlock DLC.
vs. the Son of Crawmerax DLC''.



[[WMG:Gaige doesn't canonically appear until the Scarlett DLC.]]
This would explain why she wasn't with the other hunters in the opening credits. In the same way you can have any four vault hunters running around the game (including duplicates), the Mechromancer can appear in the main quest before arriving on Pandora despite it not being canon. After all, a schoolgirl going on the run and joining/doing battle with a female pirate Captain sounds pretty ''Literature/TreasureIsland''-ish (to the point of being a rough JustForFun/RecycledInSpace GenderFlip of the plot). Plus Gaige and Scarlett are both standing together on the launch menu which appeared after the Scarlett DLC went live.

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[[WMG:Gaige doesn't canonically appear until the Scarlett ''Scarlett'' DLC.]]
This would explain why she wasn't with the other hunters in the opening credits. In the same way you can have any four vault hunters running around the game (including duplicates), the Mechromancer can appear in the main quest before arriving on Pandora despite it not being canon. After all, a schoolgirl going on the run and joining/doing battle with a female pirate Captain sounds pretty ''Literature/TreasureIsland''-ish (to the point of being a rough JustForFun/RecycledInSpace GenderFlip of the plot). Plus Gaige and Scarlett are both standing together on the launch menu which appeared after the Scarlett ''Scarlett'' DLC went live.




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** Confirmed even further by ''Borderlands 3''[='=]s ''Psycho Krieg and the Fantastic Fustercluck'' DLC, where more details are revealed about his backstory. And yep, we can thank Dr. Samuel for Krieg being who he is.



* '''This is false''', WordOfGod says that Tina's parents are officially dead, according to the [[http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/community/articles/1047/inside-the-box-fart-jokes-and-tragedy Inside the Box]] - "Fart Jokes and Tragedy".



** All but explicitly confirmed in the Wedding Day Massacre DLC - when Moxxi asks Krieg if he ever had a missus Vault Hunter in his life, he simply rants about "THE TINY ONE AND THE SAD-FACED MOTHER AND THE BLUE TATTOO." While 'the blue tattoo' is a pretty clear reference to Maya, there are precious few other people whom "the tiny one and the sad-faced mother" could be referring to.
*** And Then there's the optional mission of the Crawmerax DLC where Doctor Samuels (Sammy) is Krieg's ally, implying that his slag testing was done at the Wildlife Exploitation Preserve.

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** All but explicitly confirmed in the Wedding ''Wedding Day Massacre Massacre'' DLC - when Moxxi asks Krieg if he ever had a missus Vault Hunter in his life, he simply rants about "THE TINY ONE AND THE SAD-FACED MOTHER AND THE BLUE TATTOO." While 'the blue tattoo' is a pretty clear reference to Maya, there are precious few other people whom "the tiny one and the sad-faced mother" could be referring to.
*** And Then then there's the optional mission of the Crawmerax ''Crawmerax'' DLC where Doctor Samuels (Sammy) is Krieg's ally, implying that his slag testing was done at the Wildlife Exploitation Preserve.




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* '''Jossed''', WordOfGod says that Tina's parents are officially dead, according to the [[http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/community/articles/1047/inside-the-box-fart-jokes-and-tragedy Inside the Box - "Fart Jokes and Tragedy"]] article.



** Seemingly Jossed by the Son of Crawmerax DLC, where Gaige's dad is evidently a different character.

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** Seemingly Jossed by the Son ''Son of Crawmerax Crawmerax'' DLC, where Gaige's dad is evidently a different character.



One of Krieg's rants while slaughtering his foes is as follows: "the prince of justice and genocide has something to say: Gone are the days of the tentacle and the age of the gods' mercy is far away...We are the fighters of the middle, the second act in the three-part MEAT play, AND I WILL WIN BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR!" He's right about being in the "second act" (Borderlands '''2'''), and the "days of the tentacle" are as clear a reference to the Destroyer as any. So perhaps Borderlands 3 will take place in and/or bring about "the age of the gods' mercy." What that actually ''means'' is another riddle altogether.
* A reference to the Eridians?

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One of Krieg's rants while slaughtering his foes is as follows: "the prince of justice and genocide has something to say: Gone are the days of the tentacle and the age of the gods' mercy is far away... We are the fighters of the middle, the second act in the three-part MEAT play, AND I WILL WIN BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR!" He's right about being in the "second act" (Borderlands '''2'''), and the "days of the tentacle" are as clear a reference to the Destroyer as any. So perhaps Borderlands 3 ''Borderlands 3'' will take place in and/or bring about "the age of the gods' mercy." What that actually ''means'' is another riddle altogether.
* A reference to the Eridians?
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* In an ironic twist, yep, ''Borderlands 3'' is indeed "the age of the gods' mercy". The gods in there, however, are anything but merciful.



There's little to know about our beloved meaty Psychopath who has unlimited rage and abdominal muscles, but his erratic quotes and the DLC against the Son of Crawmerax does unveil one of his secrets, possibly. Knowingly, this woman Krieg normally states is not a child like Tina, but a scietist who could actually be in love with Krieg before the experimentation upon him commences. Applying that "Purple fluid" into Krieg, in his words, he saw the woman cry before becoming the monster who now know today. It's even mentioned that her name is "Sammy".

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There's little to know about our beloved meaty Psychopath who has unlimited rage and abdominal muscles, but his erratic quotes and the DLC against the Son of Crawmerax does unveil one of his secrets, possibly. Knowingly, this woman Krieg normally states is not a child like Tina, but a scietist scientist who could actually be in love with Krieg before the experimentation upon him commences. Applying that "Purple fluid" into Krieg, in his words, he saw the woman cry before becoming the monster who now know today. It's even mentioned that her name is "Sammy".



Similar to a Madness Combat protagonist. Creg(how about for now we call his sane personality that to avoid confusion) was a Bounty Hunter, which implies good close quarter combat and marksman skills. He was Brutal and effective. A Fear Monger on the battlefield, a man that people spoke of. A notorious Bounty Hunter that gets the job done, and does it thoroughly. And his last job was for Hyperion. . . maybe? And now I want a Madness Combat Borderlands Krieg short.

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Similar to a Madness Combat protagonist. Creg(how about for now we call his sane personality that to avoid confusion) Sane Krieg was a Bounty Hunter, which implies good close quarter combat and marksman skills. He was Brutal and effective. A Fear Monger on the battlefield, a man that people spoke of. A notorious Bounty Hunter that gets the job done, and does it thoroughly. And his last job was for Hyperion. . . maybe? And now I want a Madness Combat Borderlands Krieg short.
Hyperion... maybe?



In the "Meat Bicycle for Two" character short Krieg's dominant Psycho side(in further text Krieg) and his sane inner voice(in further text Creg) are show to be like someone with a faulty reception, and then they met Maya, who gave Both sides hope for some day being sane(ish) again. And if Borderlands 2 was kind of like Borderlands the Presequel in the character interaction not being limited to just battle and idle chattiness, Krieg would have a lot to talk to Creg and to the coop partners and to everyone really, and especially Handsome Jack, as well as Buzz axe-ing Jackie boy or performing a "fatality", if you know what I mean. Bottom line Krieg would have a lot to say, Crieg as well, but not so much.

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In the "Meat ''A Meat Bicycle for Two" character short Two'', Krieg's dominant Psycho side(in side (in further text Krieg) and his sane inner voice(in further text Creg) Sane Krieg are show to be like someone with a faulty reception, and then they met Maya, who gave Both sides hope for some day being sane(ish) again. And if Borderlands 2 was kind of like Borderlands the Presequel ''Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel'' in the character interaction not being limited to just battle and idle chattiness, Krieg would have a lot to talk to Creg Sane Krieg and to the coop partners and to everyone really, and especially Handsome Jack, as well as Buzz axe-ing Jackie boy or performing a "fatality", if you know what I mean. "fatality". Bottom line line, Krieg would have a lot to say, Crieg Sane Krieg as well, but not so much.



* '''The Siren''': There will be a Siren just like in the two previous games, but her powers will fill in the Berzerker niche, thus her powers will be called "Phasezerker" and she would an AmazonianBeauty StatuesqueStunner. The Phasezerking will cover her in an aura of energy that will allow her to fire blasts of energy in lieu of her guns that ignore shields and leave her invunerable at the same time, allowing her get close and melee with punishing physical moves. Her skills trees involve concentrating on the melee and projectile aspect of her phazezerking each and on her physical attributes which concentrate on tanking.

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* '''The Siren''': There will be a Siren just like in the two previous games, but her powers will fill in the Berzerker niche, thus her powers will be called "Phasezerker" and she would an AmazonianBeauty StatuesqueStunner. The Phasezerking will cover her in an aura of energy that will allow her to fire blasts of energy in lieu of her guns that ignore shields and leave her invunerable invulnerable at the same time, allowing her get close and melee with punishing physical moves. Her skills trees involve concentrating on the melee and projectile aspect of her phazezerking phasezerking each and on her physical attributes which concentrate on tanking.tanking.
** Confirmed. The siren is Amara, and she's indeed an AmazonianBeauty StatuesqueStunner with Berserker-like inclinations. The only thing that's jossed is the "blast of energy" thing.


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** Mostly confirmed. Zane Flynt is the "Operative", however his actual moveset differs from that.


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** Mostly confirmed. This is one of Zane Flynt's motifs. Some of this also fits with [=FL4K=].


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** Confirmed. In ''3'' we have [=FL4K=] the Beastmaster and he commands three beasts.


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!Per wiki policy, Administrivia/SpoilersOff applies here and all spoilers are unmarked. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned.



* I hate to shoot this down, but I don't think this will be likely -- after all, both sets of Vault Hunters are basically good -- [[BlackAndGreyMorality at least, compared to the Bandits and Atlas/Hyperion]] -- and fans would probably riot if they turned into the FiveManBand of the next game. That said, since [[spoiler:Lilith and Brick [[FakeDefector secretly became leaders of Bandit tribes to keep them in check]], it may be possible the New Vault Hunters would do the same thing, using these personas as their cover, and may oppose the new players as an up to eleven TricksterMentor.]]. Admittedly, if one of them would pull a FaceHeelTurn, it would DEFINITELY be [=Zer0=], literally because he has the least backstory and the most... [[AmbiguouslyEvil "questionable" moral code]].

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* I hate to shoot this down, but I don't think this will be likely -- after all, both sets of Vault Hunters are basically good -- [[BlackAndGreyMorality at least, compared to the Bandits and Atlas/Hyperion]] -- and fans would probably riot if they turned into the FiveManBand of the next game. That said, since [[spoiler:Lilith Lilith and Brick [[FakeDefector secretly became leaders of Bandit tribes to keep them in check]], it may be possible the New Vault Hunters would do the same thing, using these personas as their cover, and may oppose the new players as an up to eleven TricksterMentor.]].TricksterMentor.. Admittedly, if one of them would pull a FaceHeelTurn, it would DEFINITELY be [=Zer0=], literally because he has the least backstory and the most... [[AmbiguouslyEvil "questionable" moral code]].



[[WMG:There is hope for [[spoiler:Roland]]]]
The New-U stations. It's pretty clear he can't be normally revived by one of them, presumably due to Jack pulling some strings. But he's probably still in the system somewhere. What if, before she died, [[spoiler:Angel]] updated his New-U data? Perhaps then, someone could be in a position to revive him!

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[[WMG:There is hope for [[spoiler:Roland]]]]
Roland]]
The New-U stations. It's pretty clear he can't be normally revived by one of them, presumably due to Jack pulling some strings. But he's probably still in the system somewhere. What if, before she died, [[spoiler:Angel]] Angel updated his New-U data? Perhaps then, someone could be in a position to revive him!



* New-Us are not canon, so that wouldn't work. He could always come back as a zombie, a raid boss (raid bosses are confirmed to be resurrected whenever someone challenges them again) or [[spoiler:"Roland-Trap"]], though.

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* New-Us are not canon, so that wouldn't work. He could always come back as a zombie, a raid boss (raid bosses are confirmed to be resurrected whenever someone challenges them again) or [[spoiler:"Roland-Trap"]], "Roland-Trap", though.



[[WMG:Axton [[spoiler:treats his turret as his wife... because it IS his wife.]]]]
[[spoiler:Axton's ex-wife Sarah, when all's said and done, was very loyal to Axton, and he was loyal back. She died before the events of the game, and considering what series this is, we can easily assume it wasn't natural causes. Axton somehow managed to rescue her brain intact (or intact enough that it could serve as the turret's [=CPU=]) and installed it in his turret, so he'd have his wife with him forever. When he calls her honey, sweetie, and all those cute names? That's ACTUAL affection. When he says "Have you met the missus?" It's because it IS his missus. This also would make sense as a stealth ShoutOut: dead wife turned into a tool for her still living husband? And her husband's a COMMANDO? [[VideoGame/BionicCommando Where have I seen this before?]]]]
* Doesn't really make sense since [[spoiler:Sarah was Axton's commanding officer when he was still in the army. She was the one who warned him he was going to be executed by firing squad and arranged for him to flee to Pandora.]]

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ex-wife Sarah, when all's said and done, was very loyal to Axton, and he was loyal back. She died before the events of the game, and considering what series this is, we can easily assume it wasn't natural causes. Axton somehow managed to rescue her brain intact (or intact enough that it could serve as the turret's [=CPU=]) and installed it in his turret, so he'd have his wife with him forever. When he calls her honey, sweetie, and all those cute names? That's ACTUAL affection. When he says "Have you met the missus?" It's because it IS his missus. This also would make sense as a stealth ShoutOut: dead wife turned into a tool for her still living husband? And her husband's a COMMANDO? [[VideoGame/BionicCommando Where have I seen this before?]]]]
before?]]
* Doesn't really make sense since [[spoiler:Sarah Sarah was Axton's commanding officer when he was still in the army. She was the one who warned him he was going to be executed by firing squad and arranged for him to flee to Pandora.]]



Lilith was still on Pandora when the Eridium sprang up due to the vault's opening, and had 5 years of exposure to find out that she is affected by it. [[spoiler:Angel has been having the stuff forcibly pumped into her for most of her life, giving her more than enough time for it to affect her.]] Maya only just now arrived on Pandora, and simply hasn't been exposed enough yet.

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Lilith was still on Pandora when the Eridium sprang up due to the vault's opening, and had 5 years of exposure to find out that she is affected by it. [[spoiler:Angel Angel has been having the stuff forcibly pumped into her for most of her life, giving her more than enough time for it to affect her.]] her. Maya only just now arrived on Pandora, and simply hasn't been exposed enough yet.



Similar reasoning to the above (he created a distraction for Gaige's escape using explosives, so he must have had some knowledge of them). Maybe, after the entire mess died down, he decided to go to Pandora (or fled, to avoid prosecution for helping Gaige escape). Handsome Jack blew him up like most of the other vault hunters, but he survived and Jack (not wanting another VH rushing around, outside of his control [[spoiler:unlike the original 4/5]]) decided to send him off to be experimented on.

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Similar reasoning to the above (he created a distraction for Gaige's escape using explosives, so he must have had some knowledge of them). Maybe, after the entire mess died down, he decided to go to Pandora (or fled, to avoid prosecution for helping Gaige escape). Handsome Jack blew him up like most of the other vault hunters, but he survived and Jack (not wanting another VH rushing around, outside of his control [[spoiler:unlike unlike the original 4/5]]) 4/5) decided to send him off to be experimented on.



* '''Tiny Tina''' as '''The Demolitionist''': Assuming another time-skip of a few years between Borderlands 2 and 3, Tiny Tina will have grown up enough to actually become a Vault Hunter herself, like Roland. Given her penchant for explosions, her Action Skill would be to deploy one of those massive bombs that litter the area outside her hideout and would favour explosive weapons and grenades; anything that makes a big boom. Her skill trees could be divided into improving her bomb-deploying Action Skill (like modifiying the type of explosion to deal elemental damage, or increasing the spread of the explosion), and another could increase her efficiency with explosive weapons and grenades, and her third skill tree could focus on support/healing just like Roland [[spoiler: and is her way of honouring his memory.]]

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* '''Tiny Tina''' as '''The Demolitionist''': Assuming another time-skip of a few years between Borderlands 2 and 3, Tiny Tina will have grown up enough to actually become a Vault Hunter herself, like Roland. Given her penchant for explosions, her Action Skill would be to deploy one of those massive bombs that litter the area outside her hideout and would favour explosive weapons and grenades; anything that makes a big boom. Her skill trees could be divided into improving her bomb-deploying Action Skill (like modifiying the type of explosion to deal elemental damage, or increasing the spread of the explosion), and another could increase her efficiency with explosive weapons and grenades, and her third skill tree could focus on support/healing just like Roland [[spoiler: and is her way of honouring his memory.]]



* As part of a larger concentrated effort to find more Vaults. My suggestions for representing Borderlands 1 would be Mordecai and Brick, since Lilith has transitioned to more of a BigGood role and Roland [[spoiler: is dead]], with these two being her two best men. Borderlands 2 would be represented by Maya and Axton filling in for the absences of the aforesaid Lilith and Roland, due to their similar roles. Even the Pre-Sequel could get in on it with Athena and Claptrap representing that game since [[spoiler: Wilhelm and Nisha both died during Borderlands 2]], Timothy is apparently MIA and Aurelia pulled a ScrewThisImOuttaHere. The absence of the other Vault Hunters could be explained by them on a different mission (or missions) elsewhere and this is just the team we're focusing (or would be released as DLC). I just think it'd be fun to have a party of Vault Hunters from all the previous games being on a team.

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* As part of a larger concentrated effort to find more Vaults. My suggestions for representing Borderlands 1 would be Mordecai and Brick, since Lilith has transitioned to more of a BigGood role and Roland [[spoiler: is dead]], dead, with these two being her two best men. Borderlands 2 would be represented by Maya and Axton filling in for the absences of the aforesaid Lilith and Roland, due to their similar roles. Even the Pre-Sequel could get in on it with Athena and Claptrap representing that game since [[spoiler: Wilhelm and Nisha both died during Borderlands 2]], 2, Timothy is apparently MIA and Aurelia pulled a ScrewThisImOuttaHere. The absence of the other Vault Hunters could be explained by them on a different mission (or missions) elsewhere and this is just the team we're focusing (or would be released as DLC). I just think it'd be fun to have a party of Vault Hunters from all the previous games being on a team.



* The mask actually serves to hide [[spoiler:a marking in the form of the Vault symbol.]]

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* The mask actually serves to hide [[spoiler:a a marking in the form of the Vault symbol.]]
symbol.



But it has nothing to do with New-U stations since they are confirmed non canon. Instead he never died in the first place because he didn't go to the vault, instead he sent his body double to take care of that business. [[Spoiler: at the end of the presequel he sees more or less what happened there]], and he either watched from afar or hidden behind a 1 way mirror to ensure that this is the start of his end game plan, the power of the Vault Network to wipe out the entire bandit population of the universe.
** ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheBorderlands'' reveals that [[spoiler: Jack is still alive, but in the form of a murderous hologram that controls and aids Rhys. However, the final episode has Rhys ripping Jack out of his implants and either crushing the ECHO eye Jack resides in, or keeping it.]]

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But it has nothing to do with New-U stations since they are confirmed non canon. Instead he never died in the first place because he didn't go to the vault, instead he sent his body double to take care of that business. [[Spoiler: at At the end of the presequel he sees more or less what happened there]], there, and he either watched from afar or hidden behind a 1 way mirror to ensure that this is the start of his end game plan, the power of the Vault Network to wipe out the entire bandit population of the universe.
** ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheBorderlands'' reveals that [[spoiler: Jack is still alive, but in the form of a murderous hologram that controls and aids Rhys. However, the final episode has Rhys ripping Jack out of his implants and either crushing the ECHO eye Jack resides in, or keeping it.]]
it.



And I mean literally afraid of aliens, not just racist. Well, he's probably that too, but mostly about being afraid of aliens. When picking up [=Zer0=]'s ECHO logs in Sawtooth Cauldron, Jack stutters when [[spoiler: Angel]] mentions he might not be human. It's the only time he falters for the entire game, and since he owns a company of robots I doubt that's what spooks him. Alternatively, Jack has a fear of robots uprising and killing him. Or maybe just a fear of irony.
* [[spoiler: Come the Pre-Sequel, this may have some credence - the alien that appears near the start of the game really unsettles him and he tells Athena to keep an eye out for it in the cutscene where he gets his scar.]]

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And I mean literally afraid of aliens, not just racist. Well, he's probably that too, but mostly about being afraid of aliens. When picking up [=Zer0=]'s ECHO logs in Sawtooth Cauldron, Jack stutters when [[spoiler: Angel]] Angel mentions he might not be human. It's the only time he falters for the entire game, and since he owns a company of robots I doubt that's what spooks him. Alternatively, Jack has a fear of robots uprising and killing him. Or maybe just a fear of irony.
* [[spoiler: Come the Pre-Sequel, this may have some credence - the alien that appears near the start of the game really unsettles him and he tells Athena to keep an eye out for it in the cutscene where he gets his scar.]]



[[spoiler: Although most people only say his facial scar is an "inverted-V", it's cited on the Borderlands wiki that IT'S THE SYMBOL OF THE VAULTS, i.e. the two Vaults he manipulated the Vault Hunters to open for him! Although some Tropers here think that it was evidently caused by [[PowerIncontinence Angel losing control of her powers]] [[NoodleIncident one time]], I think that Jack was [[TouchedByVorlons giving his scar]] - [[ManBehindTheMan and his "mission"]] - [[AliensAreBastards by either the Eridians]], [[MasterOfIllusion or some even shadier force PRETENDING to be the Eridians]]. [[TheQuisling Either way, Jack is just using his mission to further his personal power, while desperately trying to impress his real master.]] Building on this...]]
* [[spoiler: Or perhaps he's unaware of the Eridians, and [[ManchurianAgent he really thinks he's acting on his own free will.]] Wouldn't be the first time they undermined the entire plot of a game to boost the next one.]]
** Well if the next DLC indicates anything, Jack has had a crop of cultists worshiping him post-death: [[spoiler: is it TRULY just an insane band of bandits/ex-Hyperion employees, or are they being commanded to worship him by the Eridians/Eridian Imposters?]]

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[[spoiler: Although most people only say his facial scar is an "inverted-V", it's cited on the Borderlands wiki that IT'S THE SYMBOL OF THE VAULTS, i.e. the two Vaults he manipulated the Vault Hunters to open for him! Although some Tropers here think that it was evidently caused by [[PowerIncontinence Angel losing control of her powers]] [[NoodleIncident one time]], I think that Jack was [[TouchedByVorlons giving his scar]] - [[ManBehindTheMan and his "mission"]] - [[AliensAreBastards by either the Eridians]], [[MasterOfIllusion or some even shadier force PRETENDING to be the Eridians]]. [[TheQuisling Either way, Jack is just using his mission to further his personal power, while desperately trying to impress his real master.]] Building on this...]]
this...
* [[spoiler: Or perhaps he's unaware of the Eridians, and [[ManchurianAgent he really thinks he's acting on his own free will.]] Wouldn't be the first time they undermined the entire plot of a game to boost the next one.]]
one.
** Well if the next DLC indicates anything, Jack has had a crop of cultists worshiping him post-death: [[spoiler: is it TRULY just an insane band of bandits/ex-Hyperion employees, or are they being commanded to worship him by the Eridians/Eridian Imposters?]]
Imposters?



* Life must've been hell for him through this sort of upbringing, to an extent that he considers everyone who doesn't support him to be bandits when he took the reins of Hyperion. His [[spoiler:"grandma issues" which drive him to hire other bandits to kill her could be one indication that such was his life, and on her (now bloodstained) bed was a "disciplinary" circular saw, not much unlike one that Psychos use. Also, when you look at the face behind his mask, he has the vault symbol on it. Since Psychos wear these on their masks...]]

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* Life must've been hell for him through this sort of upbringing, to an extent that he considers everyone who doesn't support him to be bandits when he took the reins of Hyperion. His [[spoiler:"grandma "grandma issues" which drive him to hire other bandits to kill her could be one indication that such was his life, and on her (now bloodstained) bed was a "disciplinary" circular saw, not much unlike one that Psychos use. Also, when you look at the face behind his mask, he has the vault symbol on it. Since Psychos wear these on their masks...]]
masks...



*** Handsome Jack also has a room out in the wastes where he dumps the Vault Hunters he kills, which is where Claptrap gets your first gun from. He also has a cyborg [[TheDragon Dragon]] that [[spoiler:(if not conveniently poisoned beforehand)]] can [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomp]] the original four Vault Hunters without taking a scratch, and he's legitimately one step ahead of you for a large part of the game. Arguably, he has a reason to be cocky.

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*** Handsome Jack also has a room out in the wastes where he dumps the Vault Hunters he kills, which is where Claptrap gets your first gun from. He also has a cyborg [[TheDragon Dragon]] that [[spoiler:(if (if not conveniently poisoned beforehand)]] beforehand) can [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomp]] the original four Vault Hunters without taking a scratch, and he's legitimately one step ahead of you for a large part of the game. Arguably, he has a reason to be cocky.



[[spoiler:... Una Baha. Una sues and wins against Hyperion for her Uncle Teddy's Wave Gun patent, and though Hyperion is not finished, it IS under financial straits because of Handsome Jack's death and the lawsuit's payoff. Una then buys enough shares to become Hyperion's majority shareholder (and thus, the boss) and takes over. Hyperion becomes a much more humane company under her leadership (her first order of business would probably be to have Mr. Blake fragged, and possibly to start re-manufacturing Claptraps), and in appreciation for the Vault Hunters' part in helping her avenge her uncle, Una makes Hyperion the Vault Hunters' corporate sponsor.]]
* Considering [[spoiler:how much of a SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}} AND SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome that would be, I personally hope this is the case. I'd especially like a mission to frag Blake personally - [[{{Irony}} chase him just like how he chased T.K. when he sent HIS assassins after our favorite crippled, blind widower.]]]]
** That, or [[spoiler: she could feed Blake to Zombie T.K.]]
*** But... [[spoiler: Didn't Blake help T.K. evade the assassins?]]
*** [[spoiler: T.K. Baha died in Borderlands (so before Borderlands 2): a sidequest involves stumbling on his hanged body.]]
*** [[spoiler:TK shows up in the Zombie Island DLC of the first game as a friendly zombie. Considering that he's getting his own DLC, I guess Zombie TK is canon.]]
** [[spoiler: For those of you who couldn't read between the lines, Blake actually HELPED TK by warning him about the assassins when he had no other reason to do so. He is also one of the few antagonist quest givers who DOESN'T betray you at some point and actually pays you as promised when you complete his quest. He's actually probably the most reasonable man in Hyperion.]]
* As of ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheBorderlands'', [[spoiler: Hyperion has been destroyed due to the crash of Helios into Pandora, and only a friendly bandit group lead by Vaughn remains, named the Children of Helios.]]

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[[spoiler:...... Una Baha. Una sues and wins against Hyperion for her Uncle Teddy's Wave Gun patent, and though Hyperion is not finished, it IS under financial straits because of Handsome Jack's death and the lawsuit's payoff. Una then buys enough shares to become Hyperion's majority shareholder (and thus, the boss) and takes over. Hyperion becomes a much more humane company under her leadership (her first order of business would probably be to have Mr. Blake fragged, and possibly to start re-manufacturing Claptraps), and in appreciation for the Vault Hunters' part in helping her avenge her uncle, Una makes Hyperion the Vault Hunters' corporate sponsor.]]
sponsor.
* Considering [[spoiler:how how much of a SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}} AND SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome that would be, I personally hope this is the case. I'd especially like a mission to frag Blake personally - [[{{Irony}} chase him just like how he chased T.K. when he sent HIS assassins after our favorite crippled, blind widower.]]]]
** That, or [[spoiler: she could feed Blake to Zombie T.K.
]]
** That, or she could feed Blake to Zombie T.K.
*** But... [[spoiler: Didn't Blake help T.K. evade the assassins?]]
assassins?
*** [[spoiler: T.K. Baha died in Borderlands (so before Borderlands 2): a sidequest involves stumbling on his hanged body.]]
body.
*** [[spoiler:TK TK shows up in the Zombie Island DLC of the first game as a friendly zombie. Considering that he's getting his own DLC, I guess Zombie TK is canon.]]
canon.
** [[spoiler: For those of you who couldn't read between the lines, Blake actually HELPED TK by warning him about the assassins when he had no other reason to do so. He is also one of the few antagonist quest givers who DOESN'T betray you at some point and actually pays you as promised when you complete his quest. He's actually probably the most reasonable man in Hyperion.]]
Hyperion.
* As of ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheBorderlands'', [[spoiler: Hyperion has been destroyed due to the crash of Helios into Pandora, and only a friendly bandit group lead by Vaughn remains, named the Children of Helios.]]
Helios.



* With [[spoiler:Jack and Angel both dead]] leadership of Hyperion will fall to vice-president Jeffrey Blake. Mr. Blake is not only shown as a generally reasonable, upright, honest individual, but he owes two of his biggest promotions to the actions of Vault Hunters and has a history of working successfully and fairly with them. He's also had plenty of time to see what 'being evil' and trying to betray people gets you since he's been around Pandora for so long. With him in charge of Hyperion, the company may encourage and act as 'mission control' for the next group of Vault Hunters while Blake attempts to rebuild Hyperion.

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* With [[spoiler:Jack Jack and Angel both dead]] dead leadership of Hyperion will fall to vice-president Jeffrey Blake. Mr. Blake is not only shown as a generally reasonable, upright, honest individual, but he owes two of his biggest promotions to the actions of Vault Hunters and has a history of working successfully and fairly with them. He's also had plenty of time to see what 'being evil' and trying to betray people gets you since he's been around Pandora for so long. With him in charge of Hyperion, the company may encourage and act as 'mission control' for the next group of Vault Hunters while Blake attempts to rebuild Hyperion.



* ''VideoGame/TalesFromTheBorderlands'' has [[spoiler: Helios crashing into Pandora, wiping out most of the company's resources. The survivors have formed a friendly bandit clan named the Children of Helios, lead by Vaughn. However, at the time of the crash, Blake was revealed to be acting president of Hyperion.]]

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* ''VideoGame/TalesFromTheBorderlands'' has [[spoiler: Helios crashing into Pandora, wiping out most of the company's resources. The survivors have formed a friendly bandit clan named the Children of Helios, lead by Vaughn. However, at the time of the crash, Blake was revealed to be acting president of Hyperion.]]



* [[spoiler: Angel/Fluttershy - Based on sheer [[TheWoobie woobieness]]. If you really stretch the facts, Phaseshift (which gives Angel total control over ANY electronics she's plugged into) can be compared to Fluttershy's FriendToAllLivingThings status.]]
* [[spoiler: Commandant Steele is currently out of consideration, seeing as: A) She's currently unconfirmed to be a Siren, and B) Wouldn't fit with any of the Mane Six. She's most likely an [[ThePsychoRangers Element of Discord]], and I'm not sure which one she would be if that's the case.]]
** P.S. - Come to think of it, [[spoiler: the grey hair and skin certainly give mind to the "Discorded" Elements. Still can't tell which one she is, since none of the Discorded Mane Six led an army in the name of a [[ANaziByAnyOtherName neo-Fascist]] MegaCorp.]]

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* [[spoiler: Angel/Fluttershy - Based on sheer [[TheWoobie woobieness]]. If you really stretch the facts, Phaseshift (which gives Angel total control over ANY electronics she's plugged into) can be compared to Fluttershy's FriendToAllLivingThings status.]]
status.
* [[spoiler: Commandant Steele is currently out of consideration, seeing as: A) She's currently unconfirmed to be a Siren, and B) Wouldn't fit with any of the Mane Six. She's most likely an [[ThePsychoRangers Element of Discord]], and I'm not sure which one she would be if that's the case.]]
case.
** P.S. - Come to think of it, [[spoiler: the grey hair and skin certainly give mind to the "Discorded" Elements. Still can't tell which one she is, since none of the Discorded Mane Six led an army in the name of a [[ANaziByAnyOtherName neo-Fascist]] MegaCorp.]]
MegaCorp.



All the Siren powers that we have seen so far (superpowered charge, telekinetic suspension, and [[spoiler: computer control]]) are more-or-less biotic powers that exist in ''Franchise/MassEffect'', and Eridium, which is clearly [[Franchise/MassEffect Element Zero]], supercharges their powers. Clearly humanity in this setting is from a different cycle that the original ''Franchise/MassEffect'' series, and people with biotics who know how to use them are much rarer, leading to the belief that there are only ever six (since there is an average of one "siren" biotic every galaxy, and people like nice round numbers).

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All the Siren powers that we have seen so far (superpowered charge, telekinetic suspension, and [[spoiler: computer control]]) control) are more-or-less biotic powers that exist in ''Franchise/MassEffect'', and Eridium, which is clearly [[Franchise/MassEffect Element Zero]], supercharges their powers. Clearly humanity in this setting is from a different cycle that the original ''Franchise/MassEffect'' series, and people with biotics who know how to use them are much rarer, leading to the belief that there are only ever six (since there is an average of one "siren" biotic every galaxy, and people like nice round numbers).



* In the first set of recording you have found [[spoiler: Angel needed to know how much Tannis knew about the Vault to know how to manipulate the first wave of Vault hunters, and where better to get that information than the source.]] The only reason [[spoiler: Angel]] was not on the ECHO recordings was because she edited herself off the them.

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* In the first set of recording you have found [[spoiler: Angel needed to know how much Tannis knew about the Vault to know how to manipulate the first wave of Vault hunters, and where better to get that information than the source.]] source. The only reason [[spoiler: Angel]] Angel was not on the ECHO recordings was because she edited herself off the them.



* When Tannis has her second major crazy period, it's talking with someone you don't see to get the ECHO network back online. [[spoiler: Angel]] could have been using the loudspeaker to speak, and besides [[spoiler: Angel]] was the other person with the technical know-how and motivation to get the ECHO network back online. Tannis' instructions on how to turn the ECHO network back on are described as "an argument with either an invisible cell mate or a rat" and it would make sense that the argument with [[spoiler: Angel]] who couldn't hear Tannis, but ''could'' look at Tannis' notes [[spoiler: through the security cameras]] in the base where Tannis is being kept.
** Also, [[spoiler: Angel]] probably wanted to talk to someone who is definitely outside of Handsome Jack's control, and by making people think that Tannis is crazy, she was able to make sure that Handsome Jack didn't both to spy on her
** This also explains at least part of the "Ceiling Chairs" ECHO logs from Tannis: [[spoiler: Angel]] talking to via a speaker in one of the chairs when Tannis' torturers weren't around, and Tannis, because of her AmbiguousDisorder (confirmed to be Aspergers) thought that it was the chair itself talking to her.

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* When Tannis has her second major crazy period, it's talking with someone you don't see to get the ECHO network back online. [[spoiler: Angel]] Angel could have been using the loudspeaker to speak, and besides [[spoiler: Angel]] Angel was the other person with the technical know-how and motivation to get the ECHO network back online. Tannis' instructions on how to turn the ECHO network back on are described as "an argument with either an invisible cell mate or a rat" and it would make sense that the argument with [[spoiler: Angel]] Angel who couldn't hear Tannis, but ''could'' look at Tannis' notes [[spoiler: through the security cameras]] cameras in the base where Tannis is being kept.
** Also, [[spoiler: Angel]] Angel probably wanted to talk to someone who is definitely outside of Handsome Jack's control, and by making people think that Tannis is crazy, she was able to make sure that Handsome Jack didn't both to spy on her
** This also explains at least part of the "Ceiling Chairs" ECHO logs from Tannis: [[spoiler: Angel]] Angel talking to via a speaker in one of the chairs when Tannis' torturers weren't around, and Tannis, because of her AmbiguousDisorder (confirmed to be Aspergers) thought that it was the chair itself talking to her.



Michael identifies himself as a Vault Hunter, which in Borderlands is kinda a big deal, yet no one around town will so much as mention him. He appears in the oddest of areas, such as Crimson Raider HQ (which only people with keys should be able to even get inside, and neither Roland nor Tannis mention or acknowledge him). One of his lines is a heart-wrenchingly delivered "I don't need this anymore". And he stops appearing after [[spoiler:Sanctuary takes off]], i.e. when you really come into your own as a Vault Hunter and don't need his help anymore.

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Michael identifies himself as a Vault Hunter, which in Borderlands is kinda a big deal, yet no one around town will so much as mention him. He appears in the oddest of areas, such as Crimson Raider HQ (which only people with keys should be able to even get inside, and neither Roland nor Tannis mention or acknowledge him). One of his lines is a heart-wrenchingly delivered "I don't need this anymore". And he stops appearing after [[spoiler:Sanctuary Sanctuary takes off]], off, i.e. when you really come into your own as a Vault Hunter and don't need his help anymore.



In ''TK Baha's Bloody Harvest'', TK mentions that Dr. Zed has a "forbidden" brother in addition to Dr. Ned named "Dr. Ted". Guess who conveniently happens to be named Ted? [[spoiler: ''TK himself'']].

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In ''TK Baha's Bloody Harvest'', TK mentions that Dr. Zed has a "forbidden" brother in addition to Dr. Ned named "Dr. Ted". Guess who conveniently happens to be named Ted? [[spoiler: ''TK himself'']].
himself''.



* Just ONE or TWO mega-corps? Why not [[SerialEscalation up the ante]], and have [[EscalatingBrawl ALL of them!]] Some of them will [[ArchEnemy shoot each other on sight]] (i.e. [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Spec Ops]] [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks Dahl]] vs. [[DirtyCommies revolutionary]] [[RedsWithRockets Vladof]], backwoods [[TheWildWest Jakobs]] vs. [[ForScience technological]] [[MadScientist Maliwan]], etc.), and others bare along with TeethClenchedTeamwork... until ChronicBackstabbingDisorder ensues. [[SequelHook And since it appears]] [[spoiler: there are Vaults all over the Galaxy]], end-games may include confronting the various corps. on their home planets, with the end game being to shut them all down for good!

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* Just ONE or TWO mega-corps? Why not [[SerialEscalation up the ante]], and have [[EscalatingBrawl ALL of them!]] Some of them will [[ArchEnemy shoot each other on sight]] (i.e. [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Spec Ops]] [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks Dahl]] vs. [[DirtyCommies revolutionary]] [[RedsWithRockets Vladof]], backwoods [[TheWildWest Jakobs]] vs. [[ForScience technological]] [[MadScientist Maliwan]], etc.), and others bare along with TeethClenchedTeamwork... until ChronicBackstabbingDisorder ensues. [[SequelHook And since it appears]] [[spoiler: there are Vaults all over the Galaxy]], Galaxy, end-games may include confronting the various corps. on their home planets, with the end game being to shut them all down for good!



This is why there seem to be an unlimited number of bandits. They're respawning at their own terminals, and Hyperion is making money off them every time they die. Not to mention hiring them out for merc work. Also why the former Vault Hunters are staying mostly on the sidelines; they've been locked out of the system, but the Guardian Angel hacked you in. [[spoiler:And keeping you alive for a while was a large part of Jack's plan]].

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This is why there seem to be an unlimited number of bandits. They're respawning at their own terminals, and Hyperion is making money off them every time they die. Not to mention hiring them out for merc work. Also why the former Vault Hunters are staying mostly on the sidelines; they've been locked out of the system, but the Guardian Angel hacked you in. [[spoiler:And And keeping you alive for a while was a large part of Jack's plan]].plan.



* Well, considering that [[spoiler:Jack's hacker is Angel, it could be that he just doesn't have anyone who can undo what she did. So the above might be evidence against it, but I wouldn't call it fully jossed]]. And the answer to why he didn't just shut the entire system down is easy: They're making too much money off the respawning bandits, not to mention their own people, to do that. We don't know exactly how Hyperion works as a company, but the CEO usually isn't an absolute dictator. Presumably the board of directors or equivalent wouldn't let him turn off one of their greatest sources of income over a grudge.

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* Well, considering that [[spoiler:Jack's Jack's hacker is Angel, it could be that he just doesn't have anyone who can undo what she did. So the above might be evidence against it, but I wouldn't call it fully jossed]].jossed. And the answer to why he didn't just shut the entire system down is easy: They're making too much money off the respawning bandits, not to mention their own people, to do that. We don't know exactly how Hyperion works as a company, but the CEO usually isn't an absolute dictator. Presumably the board of directors or equivalent wouldn't let him turn off one of their greatest sources of income over a grudge.



* Interestingly, ''VideoGame/TalesFromTheBorderlands'' has [[spoiler: both the destruction of Hyperion and the return of Atlas thanks to Rhys, who is the new President of Atlas.]]

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* Interestingly, ''VideoGame/TalesFromTheBorderlands'' has [[spoiler: both the destruction of Hyperion and the return of Atlas thanks to Rhys, who is the new President of Atlas.]]
Atlas.



* Partially confirmed; [[spoiler: The B&B game the final DLC was based around turns out to have been the old Vault hunters and Tiny Tina killing time while the new hunters get a Hyperion informant to cough up the codes to the Station (although we don't get to see any of it beyond Maya coming in and revealing it)]], thus ending on a fairly apparent SequelHook.

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* Partially confirmed; [[spoiler: The B&B game the final DLC was based around turns out to have been the old Vault hunters and Tiny Tina killing time while the new hunters get a Hyperion informant to cough up the codes to the Station (although we don't get to see any of it beyond Maya coming in and revealing it)]], it), thus ending on a fairly apparent SequelHook.



Remember how Claptrap's Robot Revolution "revived" the villains of both the main game and the other [=DLCs=]? There could be a DLC where the enemies are SiliconBasedLife (whom the Crystalisks are part of). Their interaction with humans has left them bitter, and they use Eridium (or some other crystal) to assimilate or revive lifeforms. And guess what- they're "[[CameBackWrong revived]]" [[spoiler: Bloodwing, Roland, Angel, Helena Pierce and [[TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers Handsome Jack]]]], and you're forced to put all of them down!
** The BigBad behind all this? [[spoiler: BUTT STALLION!!!]]

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Remember how Claptrap's Robot Revolution "revived" the villains of both the main game and the other [=DLCs=]? There could be a DLC where the enemies are SiliconBasedLife (whom the Crystalisks are part of). Their interaction with humans has left them bitter, and they use Eridium (or some other crystal) to assimilate or revive lifeforms. And guess what- they're "[[CameBackWrong revived]]" [[spoiler: Bloodwing, Roland, Angel, Helena Pierce and [[TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers Handsome Jack]]]], Jack]], and you're forced to put all of them down!
** The BigBad behind all this? [[spoiler: BUTT STALLION!!!]]STALLION!!!



** Nope. He's the preacher for the wedding in the Wedding Day Massacre DLC and by the end [[spoiler: he's dead]].

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** Nope. He's the preacher for the wedding in the Wedding Day Massacre DLC and by the end [[spoiler: he's dead]].
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[[spoiler: Eridians are still fucking here. They exist. They live.]] They saw what happened on Pandora. And they are NOT fucking happy. [[spoiler: The Eridium was a cache, meant for emergencies. The Destroyer, a guardian. See, the Warrior was a fallback plan, in case shit went down and humanity found the true Eridian homeworld.]] With the Eridium used up, and the Warrior being woken early, something HAD to be done.

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[[WMG: The [[spoiler: Eridians are still around.]]]]
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Eridians are still fucking here. They exist. They live.]] They saw what happened on Pandora. And they are NOT fucking happy. [[spoiler: The Eridium was a cache, meant for emergencies. The Destroyer, a guardian. See, the Warrior was a fallback plan, in case shit went down and humanity found the true Eridian homeworld.]] With the Eridium used up, and the Warrior being woken early, something HAD to be done.



[[spoiler: He's either Eridian, or a robot constructed by them. He was sent to kill Jack and stop this bullshit. The Eridians had a VERY vested interest in keeping the Warrior asleep.]]

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[[spoiler: He's either Eridian, or a robot constructed by them. He was sent to kill Jack and stop this bullshit. The Eridians had a VERY vested interest in keeping the Warrior asleep.]]
asleep.



[[spoiler: DLC is going to hint at Eridian involvement more and more. We're gonna be seeing a lot more E-tech, a lot more ruins, maybe even hear their legends and history. The Cult of the Vault will be explored more.]]

And in the sequel, all hell breaks loose as [[spoiler: the alien fuckers invade.]]

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[[spoiler: DLC is going to hint at Eridian involvement more and more. We're gonna be seeing a lot more E-tech, a lot more ruins, maybe even hear their legends and history. The Cult of the Vault will be explored more.]]

more.

And in the sequel, all hell breaks loose as [[spoiler: the alien fuckers invade.]]
invade.
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The name is not a merely a matter of [[NamesTheSame Name's the Same]], but a twisted continuation of the first story. Eridium is actually an alloy of some sort with unobtanium (or hell simply a much cooler name for the same thing). After kicking all of the human’s off-planet, the Na’vii enjoyed a peaceful rebuilding of their society, with their new-found allies…for a few years.

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The name is not a merely a matter of [[NamesTheSame Name's the Same]], shared names, but a twisted continuation of the first story. Eridium is actually an alloy of some sort with unobtanium (or hell simply a much cooler name for the same thing). After kicking all of the human’s off-planet, the Na’vii enjoyed a peaceful rebuilding of their society, with their new-found allies…for a few years.
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* Just ONE or TWO mega-corps? Why not [[SerialEscalation up the ante]], and have [[EscalatingBrawl ALL of them!]] Some of them will [[ArchEnemy shoot each other on sight]] (i.e. [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Spec Ops]] [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks Dahl]] vs. [[DirtyCommies revolutionary]] [[RedsWithRockets Vladof]], [[CorruptHick backwoods]] [[TheWildWest Jakobs]] vs. [[ForScience technological]] [[MadScientist Maliwan]], etc.), and others bare along with TeethClenchedTeamwork... until ChronicBackstabbingDisorder ensues. [[SequelHook And since it appears]] [[spoiler: there are Vaults all over the Galaxy]], end-games may include confronting the various corps. on their home planets, with the end game being to shut them all down for good!

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* Just ONE or TWO mega-corps? Why not [[SerialEscalation up the ante]], and have [[EscalatingBrawl ALL of them!]] Some of them will [[ArchEnemy shoot each other on sight]] (i.e. [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Spec Ops]] [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks Dahl]] vs. [[DirtyCommies revolutionary]] [[RedsWithRockets Vladof]], [[CorruptHick backwoods]] backwoods [[TheWildWest Jakobs]] vs. [[ForScience technological]] [[MadScientist Maliwan]], etc.), and others bare along with TeethClenchedTeamwork... until ChronicBackstabbingDisorder ensues. [[SequelHook And since it appears]] [[spoiler: there are Vaults all over the Galaxy]], end-games may include confronting the various corps. on their home planets, with the end game being to shut them all down for good!



*** [[TheWildWest Jakobs]] - Loaded with all kinds of WesternCharacters, and none for the better. Their leader in particular is a CorruptHick that is willing to do anything to compete in the weapons market - he certainly allowed a mini-ZombieApocalypse to happen under Dr. Ned.

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*** [[TheWildWest Jakobs]] - Loaded with all kinds of WesternCharacters, and none for the better. Their leader in particular is a CorruptHick that is crooked and willing to do anything to compete in the weapons market - he certainly allowed a mini-ZombieApocalypse to happen under Dr. Ned.
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* I hate to shoot this down, but I don't think this will be likely -- after all, both sets of Vault Hunters are basically good -- [[BlackAndGreyMorality at least, compared to the Bandits and Atlas/Hyperion]] -- and fans would probably riot if they turned into the FiveManBand of the next game. That said, since [[spoiler:Lilith and Brick [[FakeDefector secretly became leaders of Bandit tribes to keep them in check]], it may be possible the New Vault Hunters would do the same thing, using these personas as their cover, and may oppose the new players as an UpToEleven TricksterMentor.]]. Admittedly, if one of them would pull a FaceHeelTurn, it would DEFINITELY be [=Zer0=], literally because he has the least backstory and the most... [[AmbiguouslyEvil "questionable" moral code]].

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* I hate to shoot this down, but I don't think this will be likely -- after all, both sets of Vault Hunters are basically good -- [[BlackAndGreyMorality at least, compared to the Bandits and Atlas/Hyperion]] -- and fans would probably riot if they turned into the FiveManBand of the next game. That said, since [[spoiler:Lilith and Brick [[FakeDefector secretly became leaders of Bandit tribes to keep them in check]], it may be possible the New Vault Hunters would do the same thing, using these personas as their cover, and may oppose the new players as an UpToEleven up to eleven TricksterMentor.]]. Admittedly, if one of them would pull a FaceHeelTurn, it would DEFINITELY be [=Zer0=], literally because he has the least backstory and the most... [[AmbiguouslyEvil "questionable" moral code]].



* Maya/Twilight Sparkle - Based on the fact they both act as TheLeader ([[OutOfCharacterMoment most of the time]], and [[WithFriendsLikeThese compared to their friends]]), and are [[BadassBookworm Badass Bookworms]] aside. Maya's Phaselock is just Twilight's standard levitation ability taken UpToEleven.

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* Maya/Twilight Sparkle - Based on the fact they both act as TheLeader ([[OutOfCharacterMoment most of the time]], and [[WithFriendsLikeThese compared to their friends]]), and are [[BadassBookworm Badass Bookworms]] aside. Maya's Phaselock is just Twilight's standard levitation ability taken UpToEleven.up to eleven.
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* Actually an Eridian HalfHumanHybrid who took over Pandora for a foothold for the Eridians to gain power in the galaxy and take over the world. Oh, and there's definitely more. (Trollface) See, it occurs to me: Why does anyone want Pandora? My friend postulated that people want it because it's a free license to be as sociopathic as you want, though I'm not sure I believe that -- Pandora would probably have way more offworlders with better toys if that was true. And the 'why control Pandora?' question goes double now that Roland, Mordecai, Lilith, and Brick opened the vault. See, Vault Hunting and the support of Vault Hunting seems to be a prosperous industry on Pandora, with Zed giving an air that 'oh, I've done this dozens of times' and mentioning giving the 'vault is a myth you'll get yourself killed lecture' very early. You even hear audio diaries from a Vault Hunter or three, and the fact that people refer to them as 'Vault hunters' implies that this is happens more often than not. Now that it's public knowledge that our favorite sociopathic {{Kleptomaniac Hero}}es opened it, why come? What value does it hold? Who's gonna buy your guns? So, in short, Pandora is useless. Then I thought about how Mr. Blake is made to resemble the UncannyValley appearance of the [[VideoGame/HalfLife G-Man]] (Okay, maybe not, but you can't deny the G-Man inspired him.) the WMG below that Hyperion is run by Eridians, their incredibly advanced tech that they do deceptively little with, and the question of how, if Atlas made its fortune on elemental tech and (allegedly) being the best, Hyperion actually has the best tech. So I came up with an even more fanwanky explanation than my previous idea of Pandora being a giant firearm testing site-Handsome Jack is an Eridian-human hybrid who took over Pandora for a foothold for the Eridians to gain power in the galaxy and take over the universe, and the Eridians will be the BigBad of the rest of the series. Besides, if the Eridians being Abusive Precursors does not make sense to you, remember: this is ''Borderlands'', people.

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* Actually an Eridian HalfHumanHybrid who took over Pandora for a foothold for the Eridians to gain power in the galaxy and take over the world. Oh, and there's definitely more. (Trollface) See, it occurs to me: Why does anyone want Pandora? My friend postulated that people want it because it's a free license to be as sociopathic as you want, though I'm not sure I believe that -- Pandora would probably have way more offworlders with better toys if that was true. And the 'why control Pandora?' question goes double now that Roland, Mordecai, Lilith, and Brick opened the vault. See, Vault Hunting and the support of Vault Hunting seems to be a prosperous industry on Pandora, with Zed giving an air that 'oh, I've done this dozens of times' and mentioning giving the 'vault is a myth you'll get yourself killed lecture' very early. You even hear audio diaries from a Vault Hunter or three, and the fact that people refer to them as 'Vault hunters' implies that this is happens more often than not. Now that it's public knowledge that our favorite sociopathic {{Kleptomaniac Hero}}es opened it, why come? What value does it hold? Who's gonna buy your guns? So, in short, Pandora is useless. Then I thought about how Mr. Blake is made to resemble the UncannyValley UnintentionalUncannyValley appearance of the [[VideoGame/HalfLife G-Man]] (Okay, maybe not, but you can't deny the G-Man inspired him.) the WMG below that Hyperion is run by Eridians, their incredibly advanced tech that they do deceptively little with, and the question of how, if Atlas made its fortune on elemental tech and (allegedly) being the best, Hyperion actually has the best tech. So I came up with an even more fanwanky explanation than my previous idea of Pandora being a giant firearm testing site-Handsome Jack is an Eridian-human hybrid who took over Pandora for a foothold for the Eridians to gain power in the galaxy and take over the universe, and the Eridians will be the BigBad of the rest of the series. Besides, if the Eridians being Abusive Precursors does not make sense to you, remember: this is ''Borderlands'', people.
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[[WMG:The major manufacturers represent the major [[CharacterAlignment Character Alignments]].]]
* LawfulGood: Tediore. Their weapons are cheap, disposable, and user-friendly, which makes them ideal for home defense and personal protection, and that's exactly how they name and market them. Tediore aims to make sure everyone who wants to protect themselves and their families is able to regardless of budget and their unique weapons and shields from the first game emphasized defense and endurance over raw damage.
* NeutralGood: Anshin and Pangolin. Manufacturers of medical supplies, healing hypos, and the best shields in the galaxy, these two corporations both strive to defend and protect. They're not really discriminatory as to who they protect, they want to help everyone. Anshin is a bit more militant than Pangolin, due to their manufacture of transfusion grenades.
* ChaoticGood: Vladof. Always in it for the 'working man' and very gung-ho pro-Revolution but too wrapped up in their own dogma to ever succeed at anything. They're hypocritical on some things but do seem to have the best interests of the masses at heart. Not much has been seen from Vladof yet, though, so this one's debatable.
* LawfulNeutral: Jakobs. Jakobs isn't actively malevolent towards their employees so much as completely disinterested. They live and die by their contractual word, but have no ethical problems with roping people into contracts they can't avoid and won't aim to save anyone of its outside their contract. This also gives them a good reason to use the 'Western sheriff' vibe all their weapons seem to favor.
* TrueNeutral: Maliwan. A company that epitomizes ForScience in the Borderlands universe, they don't take any real sides in any conflict, they just push out high-tech, stylish firearms that kill people in horrible ways while discovering more ways to do the same.
* ChaoticNeutral: Torgue. Obsessed with cool explosions and StuffBlowingUp despite causing rampant destruction to their own best interests in the process. Just as much a danger to themselves as to anyone else, just like a careless user of one of their guns.
* LawfulEvil: Hyperion. Believes they're bringing peace and order, but their laws are draconian, their punishments excessively severe, and they brutally oppress everyone they can exercise authority over. Additionally, their guns have very dry, corporate-sounding names to emphasize just how sterilized the Hyperion environment has become.
* NeutralEvil: Dahl. Shown to be very profit-focused and ruthlessly corporate, willing to abandon thousands of people on a DeathWorld or slaughter an entire species of peaceful wildlife if it suits their goals.
* ChaoticEvil: Atlas in the first game, Bandit in the second. They act seemingly randomly, have extremely poor organizational structures if any, and kick more dogs than is strictly necessary. Loyal, competent people like Knoxx or Roland either get thrown to the grinder or flee.
** That... Most of that actually makes sense...
*** Where does S&S Munitions fit?
*** S&S went out of business between Borderlands 1 and 2 and was never really fleshed out, but would have likely been TrueNeutral with Maliwan since both share similar views of technology and S&S didn't seem to have any ethical leaning one way or another.
* THE PRESUMED WEAPON MANUFACTURERS FOR EACH CLASS
** Axton: Either Dahl(Because of the army-looking camos.) or Jakobs (Because Axton looks like the kind of guy to uses 19TH-20TH century weapons) or Torugue or Tediore
*** Dahl seems most likely here since Axton used to work for Dahl.
*** I used to work for Apple, doesn't mean I own any of their gadgets. I play Axton with Vladof gear for the sheer DPS their guns provide, coupled with Metal Storm. Commando is all about [[MoreDakka suppressive fire]], which Vladof provides in spades.
** Zero: Either Vladof (It has camos that pretty much match him, See above.) or Hyperion (Considering his suit is made by Hyperion.
** Maya: Maliwan
** Salvador: Torgue
** Krieg: Bandit, What did you expect?
** Gaige: Tediore (Because it looks like one of those Build-A-Gun things)
*** Actually, [=Zer0=] might lean towards Jakobs and Hyperion since high-damage single-shot weapons are more his thing (and his Legendary Class Mod is a Jakobs). Salvador might lean towards Vladof and Bandit weaponry. Krieg would be Bandit and Torgue and Gaige might be Tediore and Hyperion.
*** Gaige's choice of manufacturer depends heavily on what build she's going. Anarchy!Gaige would definitely prefer Hyperion or Tediore, or Jakobs weaponry, while a Little Big Trouble!Gaige would go with Maliwan.
** On the subject of which manufacturer the Vault Hunters prefer:
*** Axton: '''Vladof.''' Their assault rifles provide excellent covering fire and in his [[http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120224221119/borderlands/images/a/ac/Axton01.png character image]], he wields a Spinigun.
*** Maya: '''Maliwan.''' The elemental damage and aesthetics fit her theme, she's often shown wielding submachine guns and some class mods increase her elemental damage.
*** Salvador: '''Torgue.''' They make what is often thought to be the best weapon for him to Gunzerk with, the Unkempt Harold. Their pistols are also pretty damn good-and pistols are part of some of Salvador's class mods.
*** [=Zer0=]: '''Jakobs.''' They make some of the most reliable and highest-damaging sniper rifles in the game, and powerful, semi-automatic, precise weapons would appeal to him, despite the old-fashioned Wild West tech.
*** Gaige: '''Jakobs or Bandit'''. Although Jakobs shotguns are required for anyone playing Anarchy, Bandit makes some of the best shotguns in the game, with the huge magazine size coming in handy and having a 15 to 20% critical damage bonus over other manufacturers. (This is why Bandits use shotguns 99% of the time.)
*** Krieg: '''Torgue'''. It's already been mentioned on the [[GameBreaker/{{Borderlands2}} Game Breaker page]] that Torgue shotguns turn him into an extremely OP raging bloodthirsty warrior, and they have a tendency to turn enemies into bloody puddles of body parts, which Krieg loves. (Just look at his quotes!)
* I'd have to disagree, here's a different View.
** LawfulGood: Jakobs is the only group to outright back the Vault hunter against Jack, has strong family values, and most Jakobs gear tend towards "Peace and order" Imagery.
*** The "strong family values" thing is highly questionable. It is declared in an advertisement and their actual policies regarding their employees (see Jacobstown) go pretty much in the exact opposite direction.
** NeutralGood: I agree with you here.
** ChaoticGood: Torgue, they make weapons designed to be Awesome, unashamedly promote the Vault hunter, both Mr. Torgue and Anton Smith are decent men.
** LawfulNeutral: Dahl seems more focused on profit, with outright Evil types like Harchek are less common than Tannis or Booth. Overall the company focuses on Profit, without the level of manipulative greed of Vladof, power-hungry nature of Hyperion or the sheer insanity of Atlas and Bandit.
** TrueNeutral: Tediore, makes cheap pieces of crap en masse to sell to the masses, with little to no oversight or attempt to keep their customers safe, hence their guns explode when reloaded. Tediore isn't as orderly as Dahl and it's highly efficent weapons and company actions, but lack Maliwan's showboating insanity.
** ChaoticNeutral: Maliwan, Like Dahl and Tediore, Maliwan objective #1 is make a shiny penny, however they have the ''least'' inhibitions over using extremely painful elemental torture to do so, build weapons that are haphazardly designed with a clear form over function philosophy, and a slight degree of comedic sociopathy in claiming setting people on fire is better than a clean death.
** LawfulEvil: Hyperion, for reasons obivous.
** NeutralEvil: Vladof, Violent, hypocritical, selfish, and with items that milk the player for money such as grenades that look great on paper but don't work against moving targets, ammo dumping weapons, and shields that make you want to get shot, leading to inviteable purchase of hp boosters at Dr. Zeds or a New-u. They're also slightly hinting towards having School[=/=]Workplace mass murderers as a target Audience given their Sales Pitch.
** ChaoticEvil: Bandit and Atlas.
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This would explain why she wasn't with the other hunters in the opening credits. In the same way you can have any four vault hunters running around the game (including duplicates), the Mechromancer can appear in the main quest before arriving on Pandora despite it not being canon. After all, a schoolgirl going on the run and joining/doing battle with a female pirate Captain sounds pretty ''Literature/TreasureIsland''-ish (to the point of being a rough RecycledInSpace GenderFlip of the plot). Plus Gaige and Scarlett are both standing together on the launch menu which appeared after the Scarlett DLC went live.

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This would explain why she wasn't with the other hunters in the opening credits. In the same way you can have any four vault hunters running around the game (including duplicates), the Mechromancer can appear in the main quest before arriving on Pandora despite it not being canon. After all, a schoolgirl going on the run and joining/doing battle with a female pirate Captain sounds pretty ''Literature/TreasureIsland''-ish (to the point of being a rough RecycledInSpace JustForFun/RecycledInSpace GenderFlip of the plot). Plus Gaige and Scarlett are both standing together on the launch menu which appeared after the Scarlett DLC went live.



*** [[GloriousMotherRussia Vladof]] - Loaded with DirtyCommunists [[RecycledInSpace IN SPACE!!!]]. Mooks will be naive farmhands/factory workers more likely to shoot themselves than you, with [[ThePoliticalOfficer Commissars]] as EliteMooks to keep the others in line. The leader is likely acting as TheGeneralissimo.

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*** [[GloriousMotherRussia Vladof]] - Loaded with DirtyCommunists [[RecycledInSpace [[JustForFun/RecycledInSpace IN SPACE!!!]]. Mooks will be naive farmhands/factory workers more likely to shoot themselves than you, with [[ThePoliticalOfficer Commissars]] as EliteMooks to keep the others in line. The leader is likely acting as TheGeneralissimo.
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[[WMG:Tiny Tina eventually gets adopted by [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} Remilia Scarlet and became Flandre]].]]

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[[WMG:Tiny Tina eventually gets adopted by [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} [[Franchise/TouhouProject Remilia Scarlet and became Flandre]].]]
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* The pixies actually use Maya's model.
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[[WMG: The conclusion of the Clan War arc actually didn't happen]]
* Tales of the Borderlands attempted CuttingOffTheBranches by showing Tector Hodunk in a post-Borderlands 2 environment. However, this only confirms his ''survival''. It's possible that [[TakeAThirdOption the Vault Hunters bailed out of the Clan War and Mick Zaford is still alive]]. Moxxi's Wedding Day Massacre shows that the Hodunk and Zaford clans are still alive and well despite the Clan War ending implying that at least one of the families ends up destroyed.

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[[WMG: Goliaths are the result of Jack's slag experiments]]
* While we find the ECHO logs about the experiments, we never see any of the victims or ever hear about them after the "Doctors Orders" quest. Perhaps the goliaths are the results, as they notably ''don't'' appear in the first game.

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[[WMG:The Sirens are just human [[MassEffect biotics]]]]
All the Siren powers that we have seen so far (superpowered charge, telekinetic suspension, and [[spoiler: computer control]]) are more-or-less biotic powers that exist in MassEffect, and Eridium, which is clearly [[MassEffect Element Zero]], supercharges their powers. Clearly humanity in this setting is from a different cycle that the original MassEffect series, and people with biotics who know how to use them are much rarer, leading to the belief that there are only ever six (since there is an average of one "siren" biotic every galaxy, and people like nice round numbers).

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[[WMG:The Sirens are just human [[MassEffect [[Franchise/MassEffect biotics]]]]
All the Siren powers that we have seen so far (superpowered charge, telekinetic suspension, and [[spoiler: computer control]]) are more-or-less biotic powers that exist in MassEffect, ''Franchise/MassEffect'', and Eridium, which is clearly [[MassEffect [[Franchise/MassEffect Element Zero]], supercharges their powers. Clearly humanity in this setting is from a different cycle that the original MassEffect ''Franchise/MassEffect'' series, and people with biotics who know how to use them are much rarer, leading to the belief that there are only ever six (since there is an average of one "siren" biotic every galaxy, and people like nice round numbers).
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* Moredcai goes from loud-yet-vaguely-professional, to a depressed Truxican slob.[[note]]I'm aware this is due to a change in voice actors.[[/note]]

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* Moredcai Mordecai goes from loud-yet-vaguely-professional, to a depressed Truxican slob.[[note]]I'm aware this is due to a change in voice actors.[[/note]]
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1) Pyro Pete's backstory has him incinerating an entire planet. Yet he's ranked behind frigging ''Flyboy''?

2) Pete is the only competitor who returns as a Raid Boss. This proves he is much tougher than he let on, and was probably holding back in your initial bout. If you look at the leaderboards, you'll also see that he is not marked off as dead after you beat him, unlike the others. This indicates his survival is canonical, unlike the other refightable bosses.

3) When Pete first calls you up he's very "in character" ranting about fire and such. He becomes much more subdued after Torgue starts Lampshading everything that's going to happen. Almost as if he's frustrated because Torgue is giving away too much of the plan.

4) Pyro Pete has his own bar in the crater, right nearby Torgue's arena. So does Moxxi, but that makes sense because she's sponsoring the event. It seems likely that Pete and Torgue know each other. Not only do they work in close proximity, but Pete is the ultimate pyromaniac, and Torgue is the ultimate explosion enthusiast; they'd probably be good friends, which would explain why Pete's the one he recruited for his scheme.

Conclusion: Torgue and Pete knew Piston was a cheater, and set up a contingency plan for when he inevitably fought dirty, one that would allow the Vault Hunter to acquire a new sponsor when needed, as well as making a great story for the cameras so they could counter Piston's cheating without seeming to cheat themselves. And they didn't; the VH wasn't in on any of this, they earned their way up the leaderboard fair and square where everyone could see, just as they could see what a cheat and coward Piston was. And hey, if you're a little raw that Pyro Pete was maybe going a bit easy on you and want to prove you could take him, he's happy for a sporting rematch at full strength.

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1) *1) Pyro Pete's backstory has him incinerating an entire planet. Yet he's ranked behind frigging ''Flyboy''?

2) *2) Pete is the only competitor who returns as a Raid Boss. This proves he is much tougher than he let on, and was probably holding back in your initial bout. If you look at the leaderboards, you'll also see that he is not marked off as dead after you beat him, unlike the others. This indicates his survival is canonical, unlike the other refightable bosses.

3) *3) When Pete first calls you up he's very "in character" ranting about fire and such. He becomes much more subdued after Torgue starts Lampshading everything that's going to happen. Almost as if he's frustrated because Torgue is giving away too much of the plan.

4) *4) Pyro Pete has his own bar in the crater, right nearby Torgue's arena. So does Moxxi, but that makes sense because she's sponsoring the event. It seems likely that Pete and Torgue know each other. Not only do they work in close proximity, but Pete is the ultimate pyromaniac, and Torgue is the ultimate explosion enthusiast; they'd probably be good friends, which would explain why Pete's the one he recruited for his scheme.

Conclusion: *Conclusion: Torgue and Pete knew Piston was a cheater, and set up a contingency plan for when he inevitably fought dirty, one that would allow the Vault Hunter to acquire a new sponsor when needed, as well as making a great story for the cameras so they could counter Piston's cheating without seeming to cheat themselves. And they didn't; the VH wasn't in on any of this, they earned their way up the leaderboard fair and square where everyone could see, just as they could see what a cheat and coward Piston was. And hey, if you're a little raw that Pyro Pete was maybe going a bit easy on you and want to prove you could take him, he's happy for a sporting rematch at full strength.
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2) Pete is the only competitor who returns as a Raid Boss. This proves he is much tougher than he let on, and was probably holding back in your initial bout. If you look at the leaderboards, you'll also see that he is not marked off as dead after you beat him, unlike the others, indicating his survival is canonical, unlike the other refightable bosses.

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2) Pete is the only competitor who returns as a Raid Boss. This proves he is much tougher than he let on, and was probably holding back in your initial bout. If you look at the leaderboards, you'll also see that he is not marked off as dead after you beat him, unlike the others, indicating others. This indicates his survival is canonical, unlike the other refightable bosses.

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