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18th Sep '17 11:56:18 AM LucianTheLugia
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* Jossed, those black faces are just masks.



[[WMG: Ragna's birth father was Relius, born of an affair.]]

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[[WMG: Ragna's birth father was Relius.]]

We at least know that when Jubei found Ragna, Jin, and Saya/Noel as children, he stated that they were going to be experimented on. In the first few chapters of Central Fiction's story, we learn two things; 1. Jin's earliest memory is being huddled in the corner of a grey room with his brother and sister. 2. the above fact about what Jubei said. At first my guess was going to go to Shuichiro being Ragna's father, making him a Mercury, but Shuichiro and his children are not blonde or have green eyes. However, the Clover family is blonde, and while Carl and Ignis have blue eyes (though the latter could be an augmentation), we're not sure what color eyes Ada and Relius have. That, and it's possible that Ragna and his siblings, while born of
Relius, might have been born of an affair.]]a different mother than Ignis, who could've been made into a doll like Ignis was, or left Relius for some other reason.

So, for all we know, Ragna, Jin, and Saya could've been Clovers at birth.
18th Sep '17 11:42:59 AM LucianTheLugia
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It's common knowledge that the franchise was originally intended as a RPG. Sister series Guilty Gear experimented with that format, so the time is ripe to have another go and perhaps we'll see what they originally intended the series to be like.

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It's common knowledge that the franchise was originally intended as a RPG. Sister series Guilty Gear experimented with that format, so the time is ripe to have another go and perhaps we'll see what they originally intended the series to be like.like.

[[WMG: Ragna's birth father was Relius, born of an affair.]]
11th Sep '17 3:01:40 PM DesignatedNPC
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[[WMG:Relius' experiments didn't turn him into TheSociopath; he was always like that.]]
Current theory says that Relius' soul-experiments wore away at his empathy or otherwise caused him to see people as things, based largely on the fact that he was an apparently normal NiceGuy in the ''Bloodedge Experience'' novels. However, it seems as though Relius either always had the ability to see souls or acquired that ability sometime before ''Bloodedge Experience'' since he's already wearing a blindfold-type mask and his masks seem related to his altered vision, which the games confirm allow him to see souls. If the ability to see souls at the expense of individual humans was what eroded his empathy, it's likely Relius was pretty far into his sociopathic ways by the time of Bloodedge Experience and was just doing a good job of hiding it ''a la'' {{Dexter}} or [[FateStayNight Kotomine Kirei]]. Meeting Terumi, who likely encouraged Relius' amorality so Relius could help with Terumi's own goals, was akin to Kotomine meeting Gilgamesh in FateZero: It didn't cause or lead to Relius' lack of empathy, it just served as the catalyst for Relius deciding to embrace the part of himself which he'd previously hidden.
26th Aug '17 6:08:47 PM Leefan
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So assuming the whole plan of the {{Big Bad}}s was the one they wanted to do all along, that is [[spoiler:using all the soul's of the people in the world to create the "Embryo"]], it can also be assumed that Relius knew about the whole "Chosen people" still being around thing. This can mean that Relius put Ada and Nirvana and his wife into Ignis in order to protect them from the Imperator's literal soul grab (since he knew they were of no relevance to the Master Unit's memory). Relius claimed multiple times that it was simple to create a body out of seither, so he was possibly planning on turning them back to humans again. Combined with the oddly Heartwarming Gag ending, and that he himself outright stated his goals was different from the Imperator's (creating a world where things are not pre-determined is pretty noble considering it's coming from his mouth); his original characterization as a "mad puppeteer" who was only interested in experiments is somewhat questionable now.

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So assuming the whole plan of the {{Big Bad}}s was the one they wanted to do all along, that is [[spoiler:using all the soul's souls of the people in the world to create the "Embryo"]], it can also be assumed that Relius knew about the whole "Chosen people" still being around thing. This can mean that Relius put Ada and Nirvana and his wife into Ignis in order to protect them from the Imperator's literal soul grab (since he knew they were of no relevance to the Master Unit's memory). Relius claimed multiple times that it was simple to create a body out of seither, so he was possibly planning on turning them back to humans again. Combined with the oddly Heartwarming Gag ending, and that he himself outright stated his goals was different from the Imperator's (creating a world where things are not pre-determined is pretty noble considering it's coming from his mouth); his original characterization as a "mad puppeteer" who was only interested in experiments is somewhat questionable now.
18th Jul '17 5:44:59 AM Nouct
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** ''Central Fiction'' verified.
18th Jun '17 12:30:23 PM nombretomado
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* I expect some if not all the heralds being the souls of people already dead [[spoiler: including Platinum/Trinity, the XBlaze cast, Tenjo, etc. Terumi might be the lone exception due to both Izanami not seeing further use for him and his death by Time Eater]]

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* I expect some if not all the heralds being the souls of people already dead [[spoiler: including Platinum/Trinity, the XBlaze VisualNovel/XBlaze cast, Tenjo, etc. Terumi might be the lone exception due to both Izanami not seeing further use for him and his death by Time Eater]]
17th Jun '17 2:00:46 PM nombretomado
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** This has been slightly confirmed by [[WordOfGod Mori]] in the latest interview. According to him, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen TSUBAKI]] was supposed to be a lesbian character in love with Noel. But he changed his idea and made Tsubaki [[SingleTargetSexuality Jin-sexual]] and Makoto to fill the gap. More information can be found in the [[OtherWiki BlazBlue Wiki]] [[http://blazblue.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:22202]]

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** This has been slightly confirmed by [[WordOfGod Mori]] in the latest interview. According to him, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen TSUBAKI]] was supposed to be a lesbian character in love with Noel. But he changed his idea and made Tsubaki [[SingleTargetSexuality Jin-sexual]] and Makoto to fill the gap. More information can be found in the [[OtherWiki [[Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} BlazBlue Wiki]] [[http://blazblue.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:22202]]
5th Dec '16 3:41:03 PM PicardsDouble
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All the below cpasdumes they even bother to continue, which isn't a given.
[[spoiler: We already know about the stinger alluding to Alpha no-1 and Bloodscythe being missing, and concept art already exists of what she looks like; a genderswapped Ragna by all indications, ''including Bloodscythe''. So we can make a pretty good guess where that's got to. Chances are good she'll be the new BigBad, with Relius, Carl and maybe even Hazama also getting involved. And the expansion of the mythos pre Dark War gives room to flesh out motivations.]]

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All the below cpasdumes assumes they even bother to continue, continue with the franchise, which isn't a given.
given.

[[spoiler: We already know about the stinger alluding to Alpha no-1 and Bloodscythe being missing, and concept art already exists of what she looks like; a genderswapped Ragna by all indications, ''including Bloodscythe''. So we can make a pretty good guess where that's got to. Chances are good she'll be the new BigBad, with Relius, Carl and maybe even Hazama also getting involved. And the expansion of the mythos pre Dark War, especially the Prime Field Device War and the first Black Beast gives room to flesh out motivations.]]her motivations. Maybe there's even room for Ragna to jump in as an EleventhHourRanger cameo....]]
5th Dec '16 3:36:33 PM PicardsDouble
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Relius considers human emotion to be a weakness, a flaw in the raw material of a soul. Carl always argued against this but his argument changes in ''Central Fiction'', when he contends that emotions can make a soul ''stronger.'' This isn't idealistic: Carl's saying that strong emotions can make a soul ''more'' useful for the experiments he hopes to perform. Relius would never have considered the possibility but Carl won't be so quick to disregard its value, which may give him far more to work with than Relius' stringent standards allowed. Perhaps harnessing the emotions of a human soul will allow Carl to finally surpass his father?

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Relius considers human emotion to be a weakness, a flaw in the raw material of a soul. Carl always argued against this but his argument changes in ''Central Fiction'', when he contends that emotions can make a soul ''stronger.'' This isn't idealistic: Carl's saying that strong emotions can make a soul ''more'' useful for the experiments he hopes to perform. Relius would never have considered the possibility but Carl won't be so quick to disregard its value, which may give him far more to work with than Relius' stringent standards allowed. Perhaps harnessing the emotions of a human soul will allow Carl to finally surpass his father?father?
[[WMG:What's Next For Blazblue?]]
All the below cpasdumes they even bother to continue, which isn't a given.
[[spoiler: We already know about the stinger alluding to Alpha no-1 and Bloodscythe being missing, and concept art already exists of what she looks like; a genderswapped Ragna by all indications, ''including Bloodscythe''. So we can make a pretty good guess where that's got to. Chances are good she'll be the new BigBad, with Relius, Carl and maybe even Hazama also getting involved. And the expansion of the mythos pre Dark War gives room to flesh out motivations.]]
It's common knowledge that the franchise was originally intended as a RPG. Sister series Guilty Gear experimented with that format, so the time is ripe to have another go and perhaps we'll see what they originally intended the series to be like.
2nd Dec '16 1:14:55 PM Jameisonhyson22
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed, mostly. Central Fiction's final cutscene shows the new timeline after Ragna essentially ceases to exist, having replaced Noel as the core of the Master Unit, and we're treated to what the lives of the characters are like now. For starters, the NOL is no longer corrupt, and Homura is the Imperator, with Kagura and Jin as his right hand men. Tsubaki and Noel are back with the NOL as well (presumably in the same field Noel was, since they sport blue outfits), but Noel has [[TakenUpTheVeil]] along with Lambda and Nu. Bullet and Tager are reunited and seemingly work together, with Bullet possibly joining Sector 7, and Azrael is sealed for good and constantly monitored by Kokonoe. Taokaka has returned to the Kaka village and proceeds to get glomped by kittens, and visited by Torakaka as well. Litchi has returned to Orient Town and reunited with Linhua, with Mai, Kajun, and Platinum in tow, with Jubei watching from afar. Bang stands before a ruined Ikaruga with his legion of men, and rallies them into rebuilding Ikaruga to its former glory, which is later visited by Amane and his troupe. Naoto and Raquel are seen having a comical moment, so it's implied they got their happy ending too. On the opposite side, Carl is seen turning away from something, his glasses bearing an eyepatch reminiscent of Relius' mask, and Valkenhayn is seen pouring tea in preperation for Rachel's return, with Nago and Gii looking troubled. We last see Rachel standing before a grave made for Ragna with his sword beside it, and she's approached by someone wielding Okami, which is implied to be Tsubaki, who has possibly inherited the Susano'o Unit. The fates of Arakune, Celica, and Nine are left unknown.]]

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* [[spoiler: Confirmed, mostly. Central Fiction's final cutscene shows the new timeline after Ragna essentially ceases to exist, having replaced Noel as the core of the Master Unit, and we're treated to what the lives of the characters are like now. For starters, the NOL is no longer corrupt, and Homura is the Imperator, with Kagura and Jin as his right hand men. Tsubaki and Noel are back with the NOL as well (presumably in the same field Noel was, since they sport blue outfits), but Noel has [[TakenUpTheVeil]] along with Lambda and Nu. Bullet and Tager are reunited and seemingly work together, with Bullet possibly joining Sector 7, and Azrael is sealed for good and constantly monitored by Kokonoe. Taokaka has returned to the Kaka village and proceeds to get glomped by kittens, and visited by Torakaka as well. Litchi has returned to Orient Town and reunited with Linhua, with Mai, Kajun, and Platinum in tow, with Jubei watching from afar. Bang stands before a ruined Ikaruga with his legion of men, and rallies them into rebuilding Ikaruga to its former glory, which is later visited by Amane and his troupe. Naoto and Raquel are seen having a comical moment, so it's implied they got their happy ending too. On the opposite side, Carl is seen turning away from something, his glasses bearing an eyepatch reminiscent of Relius' mask, and Valkenhayn is seen pouring tea in preperation for Rachel's return, with Nago and Gii looking troubled. We last see Rachel standing before a grave made for Ragna with his sword beside it, and she's approached by someone wielding Okami, which is implied to be Tsubaki, who has possibly inherited the Susano'o Unit. The fates of Arakune, Celica, Arakune and Nine are left unknown.]]
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