History WMG / BlazBlue

5th Dec '17 3:59:58 PM 1810072342
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* Yes and no. As thing stand, the fourth game is set to wrap up the ''[=BlazBlue=]'' story. [[spoiler:Tsubaki received some focus, with more to come in the next game judging by the ending. Terumi and Relius, however, have been bumped down from BigBadDuumvirate status; they were nothing more than pawns to Izanami, the entity using Saya as her host. Terumi even ''gets killed'.]]

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* Yes and no. As thing stand, the fourth game is set to wrap up the ''[=BlazBlue=]'' story. [[spoiler:Tsubaki received some focus, with more to come in the next game judging by the ending. Terumi and Relius, however, have been bumped down from BigBadDuumvirate status; they were nothing more than pawns to Izanami, the entity using Saya as her host. Terumi even ''gets killed'.killed''.]]




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* [[spoiler: Confirmed. Except that he cuts himself lose instead.]]



That the one who is the self insert is [[spoiler:the master unit Amaterasu with Noel being it's character. This would explain the ThirtySuePileup due to them being meant to be sloppily written but their own personalities and goals end up conflicting with the original writers idea [[SlidingScaleOfFreeWillVsFate leading to all the conflicts in the series]]. That is also why Izanami is a GenericDoomsdayVillain, both since her writer couldn't come up with anything better and that the writer simply wants to wipe the slate clean now that everything is going against it's wishes. This is also what the title ''Central Fiction'' refers to and the truth that drove Nine and maybe even Terumi insane.]]

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That the one who is the self insert is [[spoiler:the master unit Amaterasu with Noel being it's its character. This would explain the ThirtySuePileup due to them being meant to be sloppily written but their own personalities and goals end up conflicting with the original writers idea [[SlidingScaleOfFreeWillVsFate leading to all the conflicts in the series]]. That is also why Izanami is a GenericDoomsdayVillain, both since her writer couldn't come up with anything better and that the writer simply wants to wipe the slate clean now that everything is going against it's wishes. This is also what the title ''Central Fiction'' refers to and the truth that drove Nine and maybe even Terumi insane.]]




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* Would you believe me if I said it's actually more complicated than that?




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* Does that mean he's going to be the next character to harness ThePowerOfHate? Is going to deliberately make subjects despair in order to increase their usefulness? If the series continues, Carl could end up as a new villain.




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* Relius did create the Murakumos, so in a sense they're Carl and Ada's siblings. And Noel is Ragna and Jin's sister... In some left-handed logic readings, this might actually be possible.
** For extra BigScrewedUpFamily fun, if Celica had actually be an adoptive mother to Ragna, Jin and Saya instead of a custodian, that would have made Nine their (and the Clover kids') aunt. And Kokonoe their cousin, and Jubei their uncle. If this had been the case, Relius would be Nine's... sibling once removed. Yipes.
5th Dec '17 3:40:44 PM 1810072342
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* Based on the ''CF'' epilogue scene, ''this might actually be a thing''.




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* As amazing as that would have been, it turns out Naoto is Ragna's AlternateSelf rather than his ancestor.



That's how Naoto, Hazama,Terumi, Platinum and maybe even Azrael are in the game.

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That's how Naoto, Hazama,Terumi, Hazama, Terumi, Platinum and maybe even Azrael are in the game.
5th Dec '17 3:30:53 PM 1810072342
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*** Ultimately Jossed in ''CF'' - [[spoiler: Terumi is older than the world ''before'' the main world the plot takes place in]]. Great idea, though.
5th Dec '17 3:24:42 PM 1810072342
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* Amaterasu is one of the three Sankishin Units and is used for Manipulating Time. It is within the Boundary(and theorized to confer that power upon individuals) seems to run on an AI (not completely confirmed) and was what was causing the time loops under the directions of Takamagahara.

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* Amaterasu is one of the three Sankishin Units and is used for Manipulating Time. It is within the Boundary(and Boundary (and theorized to confer that power upon individuals) seems to run on an AI (not completely confirmed) and was what was causing the time loops under the directions of Takamagahara.
** A bit of '[[JigsawPuzzlePlot clarity]]' on the above, with the benefit of later games: The Boundary is itself what drove Arakune crazy ([[GoMadFromTheRevelation he couldn't withstand what he experienced/saw]]). Amaterasu is powered by [[spoiler: the first PFD, a bio-android - so, not far off an AI]]. It (she?) was causing the time loops, but was actually pulling against Takamagahara in doing so. Takamagahara would much rather Amaterasu didn't exist.
18th Oct '17 10:45:48 PM DesignatedNPC
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Current theory says that Relius' soul-experiments wore away at his empathy or otherwise caused him to see people as things, based largely on the fact that he was an apparently normal NiceGuy in the ''Bloodedge Experience'' novels. However, it seems as though Relius either always had the ability to see souls or acquired that ability sometime before ''Bloodedge Experience'' since he's already wearing a blindfold-type mask and his masks seem related to his altered vision, which the games confirm allow him to see souls. If the ability to see souls at the expense of individual humans was what eroded his empathy, it's likely Relius was pretty far into his sociopathic ways by the time of Bloodedge Experience and was just doing a good job of hiding it ''a la'' {{Dexter}} or [[FateStayNight Kotomine Kirei]]. Meeting Terumi, who likely encouraged Relius' amorality so Relius could help with Terumi's own goals, was akin to Kotomine meeting Gilgamesh in FateZero: It didn't cause or lead to Relius' lack of empathy, it just served as the catalyst for Relius deciding to embrace the part of himself which he'd previously hidden.

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Current theory says that Relius' soul-experiments wore away at his empathy or otherwise caused him to see people as things, based largely on the fact that he was an apparently normal NiceGuy in the ''Bloodedge Experience'' novels. However, it seems as though Relius either always had the ability to see souls or acquired that ability sometime before ''Bloodedge Experience'' since he's already wearing a blindfold-type mask and his masks seem related to his altered vision, which the games confirm allow him to see souls. If the ability to see souls at the expense of individual humans was what eroded his empathy, it's likely Relius was pretty far into his sociopathic ways sociopathy by the time of Bloodedge Experience and was just doing a good job of hiding it ''a la'' {{Dexter}} or [[FateStayNight Kotomine Kirei]]. Meeting Terumi, who likely encouraged Relius' amorality so Relius could help with Terumi's own goals, was akin to Kotomine meeting Gilgamesh in FateZero: It didn't cause or lead to Relius' lack of empathy, it just served as the catalyst for Relius deciding to embrace the part of himself which he'd previously hidden.
18th Oct '17 10:19:37 PM DesignatedNPC
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* We do know that there were several Detonator prototypes before Ada/Nirvana and Ignis, all of which Relius likely discarded once they didn't perform to expectations; it's possible that one of these prototypes bore Ragna and his siblings before being converted and abandoned. That leads to the unsavory possibility that Relius had multiple families, likely to get a pre-made fulcrum (required to use a soul in a Detonator), each of which was subsequently discarded ''a la'' [[Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2 Ego]] when they didn't serve their purpose.
2nd Oct '17 4:44:04 PM LucianTheLugia
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* Gag Reels were present, but none of those were present. We do see a return of Magical Girl Platinum versus the evil Boing Queen, a return to Brotherly Paradise, the finale of the Spectacles of Eros, and Naoto Kurogane starring in a dating sim.
19th Sep '17 9:03:49 PM LucianTheLugia
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So, for all we know, Ragna, Jin, and Saya could've been Clovers at birth.

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So, for all we know, Ragna, Jin, and Saya could've been Clovers at birth.birth.

[[WMG: The origin of "Pakumen" and "Terumen"...]]

The Susano'o unit is the body of a creature capable of reproduction, and Pakumen and Terumen are baby Susano'o creatures. When a new Susano'o Unit is born, it begins its life as a Pakumen-like creature. They eventually grow to have more human-like bodies (a la Hakumen), but further up the evolutionary cycle they become more monstrous and gain teeth, and their shoulders evolve into two extra head-like structures (a la Takehaya Susano'o). So in the Susano'o unit life cycle, Pakumen and Terumen are babies/infants, Hakumen is a young adult, and Susano'o is fully grown. Now [[https://i.imgur.com/uyD95MF.jpg this image]] makes ''so much more '''SENSE!''' ''
18th Sep '17 11:56:18 AM LucianTheLugia
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* Jossed, those black faces are just masks.



[[WMG: Ragna's birth father was Relius, born of an affair.]]

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[[WMG: Ragna's birth father was Relius.]]

We at least know that when Jubei found Ragna, Jin, and Saya/Noel as children, he stated that they were going to be experimented on. In the first few chapters of Central Fiction's story, we learn two things; 1. Jin's earliest memory is being huddled in the corner of a grey room with his brother and sister. 2. the above fact about what Jubei said. At first my guess was going to go to Shuichiro being Ragna's father, making him a Mercury, but Shuichiro and his children are not blonde or have green eyes. However, the Clover family is blonde, and while Carl and Ignis have blue eyes (though the latter could be an augmentation), we're not sure what color eyes Ada and Relius have. That, and it's possible that Ragna and his siblings, while born of
Relius, might have been born of an affair.]]a different mother than Ignis, who could've been made into a doll like Ignis was, or left Relius for some other reason.

So, for all we know, Ragna, Jin, and Saya could've been Clovers at birth.
18th Sep '17 11:42:59 AM LucianTheLugia
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It's common knowledge that the franchise was originally intended as a RPG. Sister series Guilty Gear experimented with that format, so the time is ripe to have another go and perhaps we'll see what they originally intended the series to be like.

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It's common knowledge that the franchise was originally intended as a RPG. Sister series Guilty Gear experimented with that format, so the time is ripe to have another go and perhaps we'll see what they originally intended the series to be like.like.

[[WMG: Ragna's birth father was Relius, born of an affair.]]
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