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[[WMG: Dinobot is descended from [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/TransformersGeneration1Decepticons1988To1990 Thunderwing]]]]
Because [[https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Dinobotgoldendisks.jpg just]] look at [[https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Thunderwing_with_matrix.jpg them]]!

More seriously, according to TF Wiki they seem very similar. Powerful, ambitious members of the 'Cons, whom still have more nobler traits than you would expect. Dinobot has his honor, and Thunderwing has some care and compassion for his fellow Decepticons and even his enemies at times.
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[[WMG: Megatron's obsession with Dinobot's betrayal is ''because'' he didn't expect it.]]
He was ''prepared'' for it, because he's Megatron, and his crew are all Predacons. But he didn't forsee that the moment would come so soon, and he was counting on Dinobot to help secure victory.

The ''Darksyde's'' crew was a mix of dumb brutes, cowards, and psychopaths. The more loyal members were generally incompetent; the competent ones were treacherous and/or insane. Dinobot was the exception- physically strong, reasonably intelligent and cunning, and loyal to his commander- or as loyal as Predacons could be. Even his honor might not have seemed like a drawback: Megatron probably assumed it was a foolish affectation that would keep Dinobot in line, outside of a formal challenge (like the first episode). And yet despite such "weaknesses" such as honor and compassion, Dinobot thwarted Megatron time and again, humiliating Megatron and all of his values.
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* It should be noted that time travel is a known technology. Any secrecy could be intended to prevent someone like Megatron from meddling in the timeline.
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[[WMG: The Predacon's aren't actually second-class citizens, that's just Megatron being dramatic]]
*Since their ProudWarriorRaceGuys, who believe in MightMakesRight the Predacon's, but Megatron especially can't stand following the same laws as the Maximal's which emphasis the preservation of life and respecting the sovereignty of others. Moral things to us and the Maximal's but unbearable to BlueAndOrangeMorality Predacon's like Dinobot and the equivalent of enslavement to a CardCarryingVillain like Megatron.
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The Vok's goal is stated [[AllThereInTheManual in the expanded universe]] to be guiding other species to [[EvolutionaryLevels higher evolutionary levels]]. Despite their... [[EarthShatteringKaboom odd methods]] of ensuring success, they may be attempting an all-out war against the [[OmnicidalManiac Anti-Spirals]]. That, and they seem to select "heralds" of their own to restore order AND allow all beings in the universe to live peacefully without the Anti-Spirals threatening to [[KillEmAll kill them]]. [[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated Swindle]] was right; they really ARE nice creatures.

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The Vok's goal is stated [[AllThereInTheManual in the expanded universe]] to be guiding other species to [[EvolutionaryLevels higher evolutionary levels]]. Despite their... [[EarthShatteringKaboom odd methods]] of ensuring success, they may be attempting an all-out war against the [[OmnicidalManiac Anti-Spirals]]. That, and they seem to select "heralds" of their own to restore order AND allow all beings in the universe to live peacefully without the Anti-Spirals threatening to [[KillEmAll kill them]].them. [[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated Swindle]] was right; they really ARE nice creatures.
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[[WMG:Tarantulus was a Quintesson (or one of their agents).]]
Think about it: they'd have plenty of good reasons to want to off both Autobot and Decepticon while not being descended from them. They have a vested interest in reclaiming Cybertron (former Quintessonian factory). They hate the Transformers (they TurnedAgainstTheirMasters). They're sadistic perverts (watch TheMovie). And not being gods or SufficientlyAdvancedAliens, they can't just do stuff through sheer will. Megatron's "Unicron's Spawn" was just an insult.

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[[WMG:Tarantulus [[WMG:Tarantulas was a Quintesson (or one of their agents).]]
Think about it: they'd have plenty of good reasons to want to off both Autobot and Decepticon while not being descended from them. They have a vested interest in reclaiming Cybertron (former Quintessonian Quintesson production factory). They hate the Transformers (they TurnedAgainstTheirMasters). They're sadistic perverts (watch TheMovie). And not being gods or SufficientlyAdvancedAliens, they can't just do stuff through sheer will. Megatron's "Unicron's Spawn" was just an insult.



[[WMG: Tarantulus infected Megatron with a virus that turned him into a ManchurianAgent]]
...on behalf of Tarantulus' master, Unicron. The trigger, of course, was returning to Cybertron, and the action was a feeling of hatred for organics and to wipe out the population. Unicron ''wanted'' the initial plan- assasinating the Matrix-bearer at his weakest- to succeed, but on the off-chance it didn't, wanted a backup plan that would result in Cybertron (and thus Primus) being rendered defenseless. Megatron ''and'' the Maximals taking him to justice were actually just [[UnwittingPawn Unwitting Pawns]]. This is why his behavior changed so drastically in Beast Machines.

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[[WMG: Tarantulus [[WMG:Tarantulas infected Megatron with a virus that turned him into a ManchurianAgent]]
...on On behalf of Tarantulus' Tarantulas' master, Unicron. The trigger, of course, was returning to Cybertron, and the action was a feeling of hatred for organics and to wipe out the population. Unicron ''wanted'' the initial plan- assasinating the Matrix-bearer at his weakest- to succeed, but on the off-chance it didn't, wanted a backup plan that would result in Cybertron (and thus Primus) being rendered defenseless. Megatron ''and'' the Maximals taking him to justice were actually just [[UnwittingPawn Unwitting Pawns]]. This is why his behavior changed so drastically in Beast Machines.
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By the end of Beast Wars, Megatron had already become consumed with hatred for organic life (''particularly'' primates) and obsessed with [[AGodAmI godhood]]. However, he still was a rogue, a NeutralEvil madman with ChaoticEvil tendencies. However, when he broke free of his bonds during the Transwarp journey to cybertron and landed earlier than his captors, he was able to use his manipulative talents, significant Transmetal 2 powers (Optimal powers, perhaps?), and his lust for ultimate power to take over Cybertron, with the help of his engineered plagues. As he plotted his future vision of Cybertron, it became less and less chaotic, less organic, more concerned with order and perfection.

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By the end of Beast Wars, Megatron had already become consumed with hatred for organic life (''particularly'' primates) and obsessed with [[AGodAmI godhood]]. However, he still was a rogue, a NeutralEvil madman with ChaoticEvil chaotic tendencies. However, when he broke free of his bonds during the Transwarp journey to cybertron and landed earlier than his captors, he was able to use his manipulative talents, significant Transmetal 2 powers (Optimal powers, perhaps?), and his lust for ultimate power to take over Cybertron, with the help of his engineered plagues. As he plotted his future vision of Cybertron, it became less and less chaotic, less organic, more concerned with order and perfection.
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WMG for ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars''. For WildMassGuessing about the rest of the franchise, see WMG/{{Transformers}}.

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***Only issue here is that Dinobot II died aboard the Nemesis, as the Darksyde was destroyed by Tigerhawk in a prior episode.


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[[WMG: Waspinator did have his toy's "normal" (i.e. non-show) head and was capable of speaking normally at some point]]
Unfortunately, he was [[ButtMonkey horribly injured in the crash-landing of the Darksyde]], suffering from disfigurement and brain damage as a result.
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[[WMG: Predacons are more likely to take ectothermic animal forms due to their second class citizen status on Cybertron]]
Maximals and Predicons are distinct from their ancestors in that their bodies are more energy efficient. However, Cybertron's resources are still dwindling, and thus resources are allocated carefully. Predacons on Cybertron are afforded less. Once animal alt forms are taken, the Predacon algorithm prioritizes energy-efficiency, hence why all the Predacons we see on the show have ectothermic alt modes, which require less resources to remain active.
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[[WMG:Megatron's plot to destroy Optimus Prime while in stasis would have spelled doom for ''both'' races.]]

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[[WMG:Megatron's plot to destroy Optimus Prime while in stasis would have spelled doom for ''both'' races.factions.]]
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In his former life, he twice refused to return to Cybertron because of his previous crimes. Optimus knew the third time wouldn't be the charm. Their last conversation is a silent acknowledgement of this fact.



He was smart enough to want to not be known, which is why he faked non-sapience whenever there was a chance of being seen or heard; Megatron consulted with him and recieved orders and strategy offscreen. He was also the level-headed sane one of the group, explaining why Megatron went completely off the deep end in WesternAnimation/BeastMachines- without his boss giving him orders, he had to rely on his own prejudices and intellect. This is also why Megatron was so good at manipulating, keeping tabs on, and seeing through the {{plan}}s of the other Predacons- the real one in charge was small enough and unassuming enough to be a perfect spy, and he simply figured out how to turn what he saw to his favor, and relayed that to his figurehead.

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He was smart enough to want to not be known, which is why he faked non-sapience whenever there was a chance of being seen or heard; Megatron consulted with him and recieved orders and strategy offscreen. He was also the level-headed sane one of the group, explaining why Megatron went completely off the deep end in WesternAnimation/BeastMachines- without his boss giving him orders, he orders. He had to rely on his own prejudices and intellect. This is also why Megatron was so good at manipulating, keeping tabs on, and seeing through the {{plan}}s of the other Predacons- the real one in charge was small enough and unassuming enough to be a perfect spy, and he simply figured out how to turn what he saw to his favor, and relayed that to his figurehead.



He was already carrying G1 Megatron's spark so his personal ancestry would have been protected from the timestorm made by the Ark's destruction. He would then travel back to Cybertron in the Nemesis without time traveling and take command of the Deceptacons during the Great War. Using his knowledge of history and the lack of Optimus Prime, Megatron would quickly end the Great War long before the events of G1. Then Megatron would prepare Cybertron to defend against Unicron, which Megatron also knows is coming. After that Megatron would recreate the beast wars in order to complete a StableTimeLoop that would maintain his control over Cybertron.

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He was already carrying G1 Megatron's spark so his personal ancestry would have been protected from the timestorm made by the Ark's destruction. He would then travel back to Cybertron in the Nemesis without time traveling and take command of the Deceptacons during the Great War. Using his knowledge of history and the lack of Optimus Prime, Megatron would quickly end the Great War long before the events of G1. Then Megatron would prepare Cybertron to defend against Unicron, which Megatron also knows is coming. After that Megatron would recreate the beast wars Beast Wars in order to complete a StableTimeLoop that would maintain his control over Cybertron.



He was just acting so nice because he was stuck in a situation where his personal opinions weren't relevant. Notice just how evil he became in "Dark Designs", then also notice just how little Blackarachnia's personality changed when her programming changed from Predacon to Maximal. Was it the reprogramming that made him so nasty or was it merely an excuse? We've seen that Maximals are not inherently good, Quickstrike was never reprogrammed and was a sadistic monster and even Rattrap was quite a selfish jerk a lot of the time. In the fifth episode, after Optimus was absorbed by an alien probe, the Maximals vote between Rattrap and Dinobot as new leader, a vote that somehow ended up a tie. Both bots clearly voted for themselves and Cheetor was far too optimistic to vote in favor of Dinobot's harsh, merciless methods which would mean that Rhinox was the one that voted in favor of Dinobot. He's also the one that insists that the vote was secret after Rattrap demands to know who voted for Dinobot, with Cheetor showing no reaction to the accusation. Notice how after Optimus' death Rhinox asserts leadership with pure force? It would place his characterization in Beast Machines as him merely saying "Screw it" to playing nice as their world was slagged anyway.


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He was just acting so nice because he was stuck in a situation where his personal opinions weren't relevant. Notice just how evil he became in "Dark Designs", then also notice just how little Blackarachnia's personality changed when her programming changed from Predacon to Maximal. Was it the reprogramming that made him so nasty or was it merely an excuse? We've seen that Maximals are not inherently good, good. Quickstrike was never reprogrammed and was a sadistic monster and even Rattrap was quite a selfish jerk a lot of the time. In the fifth episode, after Optimus was absorbed by an alien probe, the Maximals vote between Rattrap and Dinobot as new leader, a vote that somehow ended up a tie. Both bots clearly voted for themselves and Cheetor was far too optimistic to vote in favor of Dinobot's harsh, merciless methods which would mean that Rhinox was the one that voted in favor of Dinobot. He's also the one that insists that the vote was secret after Rattrap demands to know who voted for Dinobot, with Cheetor showing no reaction to the accusation. Notice how after Optimus' death Rhinox asserts leadership with pure force? It would place his characterization in Beast Machines as him merely saying "Screw it" to playing nice as their world was slagged anyway.

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** Larry has stated that had the show continued, they might have made Tarantulas (and the Tripedacus Council) a member of the Cybertronian faction from the Marvel comics, ala Jhiaxus and Liege Maximo. The "Unicron's spawn" line was meant as a derisive insult, ala calling someone "devil's spawn".

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Tarantulas: Mixmaster\\
* Jossed. Tarantulus is explicitly not descended from either Autobot nor Decepticon.\\

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Rhinox: Ratchet\\

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* Jossed. Tarantulus is explicitly not descended from either Autobot nor Decepticon.

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Silverbolt's track record is remarkably inconsistent- he's the first one to incapacitate [[TheJuggernaut Rampage]] and on several occasions defeated Tarantulas, Quickstrike, and even Megatron, but is also the only one to get taken down by [[ButtMonkey Waspinator]] more often than the reverse. It seems likely than, that his ability to fight is based on how righteous his cause is (Like a [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons Paladin]]), meaning his skills are greatest when facing the likes of [[AxCrazy Rampage]], [[ImAHumanitarian Tarantulas]], [[BloodKnight Quickstrike]], or [[TheSociopath Megatron]], but very weak when fighting a MinionWithAnFInEvil like Waspinator.

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Silverbolt's track record is remarkably inconsistent- he's the first one to incapacitate [[TheJuggernaut Rampage]] and on several occasions defeated Tarantulas, Quickstrike, and even Megatron, but is also the only one to get taken down by [[ButtMonkey Waspinator]] more often than the reverse. It seems likely than, then, that his ability to fight is based on how righteous his cause is (Like a [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons Paladin]]), meaning his skills are greatest when facing the likes of [[AxCrazy Rampage]], [[ImAHumanitarian Tarantulas]], [[BloodKnight Quickstrike]], or [[TheSociopath Megatron]], but very weak when fighting a MinionWithAnFInEvil like Waspinator.
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[[WMG: Had he been written back into the show, Scorponok would have become Scavenger]]
In Aftermath, when the quantum surge hits, both Scorponok and Terrorsaur were glowing when they fell into the lava (It's easy to miss because more attention was given to the latter), indicating that both were upgraded to Transmetal as they died. Ostensibly this was to give the creators an excuse to bring the characters back if they ever needed to. A Transmetal Terrorsaur toy was released, but the closest thing Scorponok had to a transmetal form was the happy meal toy, which would not have been added to the show as there would be no point in marketing a product that would only be available for a month. So how do you bring back a character as a transmetal when no transmetal form was created? Then it hit me, what is the one Transmetal toy released that did NOT share its name with an existing character? Scavenger. Yes, the toy was originally meant to be the transmetal form of Inferno, but it doesn't take much of a leap to repurpose Scavenger as a Transmetal form for Scorponok. Both have weaponized hands, similar transformation sequences, there are aesthetic features on Scavenger's body that could very easily have been reformatted from parts of Scorponok (such as the ridges on both of their shins). Plus, the Scavenger toy's head halves can be positioned in robot mode to functionally resemble Scorponok's claws, and it would go a long way toward explaining how they got out of the ground. The names even sound similar enough that the writers could easily explain the change in one throwaway line of dialogue.
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* The evidence is in favor of Cheetor voting for Dinobot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Mmc8W58og). Remember that this episode was not long after Dinobot was the only one to treat Cheetor like a respectable adult and Cheetor never did figure out that it was blatant manipulation. And Rhinox does clap Rattrap on the shoulder to congratulate his victory. He likely insists the votes remain secret out of respect for proper democracy, although he knows darn well who voted for Dinobot by simple process of elimination.
* Rhinox only uses force to get Dinobot into line, though, as that's what Dinobot has been socialized to respond to.

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* Rhinox only uses force to get Dinobot into line, though, as that's what Dinobot has been socialized to respond to.




* Or, there's another Megatron we don't know about.

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* [[Tropers/{{AM_NK}} This troper]] thinks that his spark lays in his head.

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* The [[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated Animated Allspark II]] suggests that, even further, he's also Animated Sideways ''and'' RevengeOfTheFallen Sideways, via black hole/timeloop/[[MindScrew something.]]

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** It's also possible that Dinobot I could have Spark-hopped; jumping from Rampage's body to the body that shared his Spark; which is his clone. By putting his own spark alongside the half that Dinobot II had, Dinobot II could have ''become'' Dinobot I, and this would explain why Dinobot II attacked Megatron and chose to die in the explosion of the ''DarkSyde''; Dinobot I ''chose'' death to let Dinobot II regain his honor and die a hero.

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** It's also possible that Dinobot I could have Spark-hopped; jumping from Rampage's body to the body that shared his Spark; which is his clone. By putting his own spark alongside the half that Dinobot II had, Dinobot II could have ''become'' Dinobot I, and this would explain why Dinobot II attacked Megatron and chose to die in the explosion of the ''DarkSyde''; ''[=DarkSyde=]''; Dinobot I ''chose'' death to let Dinobot II regain his honor and die a hero.
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Megatron: Megatron
Scorponok: Soundwave or Scorponok
Tarantulas: Mixmaster
Terrorsaur: Starscream
Waspinator: Shrapnel
Blackarachnia: Arcee
Inferno: Inferno

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Megatron: Megatron
Megatron\\
Scorponok: Soundwave or Scorponok
Scorponok\\
Tarantulas: Mixmaster
Mixmaster\\
Terrorsaur: Starscream
Starscream\\
Waspinator: Shrapnel
Shrapnel\\
Blackarachnia: Arcee
Arcee\\
Inferno: InfernoInferno\\






Optimus Primal: Optimus Prime
Rattrap: Hot Rod/Arcee
Rhinox: Ratchet
Cheetor: Bumblebee
Dinobot: Grimlock
Tigatron: Beachcomber
Airazor: Powerglide
Silverbolt: Silverbolt

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Optimus Primal: Optimus Prime
Prime\\
Rattrap: Hot Rod/Arcee
Rod/Arcee, Chromia, or Flareup\\
Rhinox: Ratchet
Ratchet\\
Cheetor: Bumblebee
Bumblebee or Hot Rod\\
Dinobot: Grimlock
Grimlock\\
Tigatron: Beachcomber
Beachcomber\\
Airazor: Powerglide
Powerglide\\
Silverbolt: SilverboltSilverbolt\\






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* The [[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated Animated Allspark 2]] suggests that, even further, he's also Animated Sideways ''and'' RevengeOfTheFallen Sideways, via black hole/timeloop/[[MindScrew something.]]

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[[WMG: The Vok are the [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Ultimate evolution of the Spiral Races]].]]

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** based off this [[http://haluwasa2.deviantart.com/favourites/51860690#/d1vip2r picture]] on Website/DeviantArt

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Silverbolt's track record is remarkably inconsistent- he's the first one to incapacitate [[TheJuggernaut Rampage]] and on several occasions defeated Tarantulas, Quickstrike, and even Megatron, but is also the only one to get taken down by [[ButtMonkey Waspinator]] more often than the reverse. It seems likely than, that his ability to fight is based on how righteous his cause is (Like a [[DungeonsAndDragons Paladin]]), meaning his skills are greatest when facing the likes of [[AxCrazy Rampage]], [[ImAHumanitarian Tarantulas]], [[BloodKnight Quickstrike]], or [[TheSociopath Megatron]], but very weak when fighting a MinionWithAnFInEvil like Waspinator.

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Silverbolt's track record is remarkably inconsistent- he's the first one to incapacitate [[TheJuggernaut Rampage]] and on several occasions defeated Tarantulas, Quickstrike, and even Megatron, but is also the only one to get taken down by [[ButtMonkey Waspinator]] more often than the reverse. It seems likely than, that his ability to fight is based on how righteous his cause is (Like a [[DungeonsAndDragons [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons Paladin]]), meaning his skills are greatest when facing the likes of [[AxCrazy Rampage]], [[ImAHumanitarian Tarantulas]], [[BloodKnight Quickstrike]], or [[TheSociopath Megatron]], but very weak when fighting a MinionWithAnFInEvil like Waspinator.
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Silverbolt's track record is remarkably inconsistent- he's the first one to incapacitate [[TheJuggernaut Rampage]] and on several occasions defeated Tarantulas, Quickstrike, and even Megatron, but is also the only one to get taken down by [[ButtMonkey Waspinator]] more often than the reverse. It seems likely than, that his ability to fight is based on how righteous his cause is (Like a [[DungeonsAndDragons Paladin]]), meaning his skills are greatest when facing the likes of [[AxCrazy Rampage]], [[ImAHumanitarian Tarantulas]], [[BloodKnight Quickstrike]], or [[TheSociopath Megatron]], but very weak when fighting a MinionWithAnFInEvil like Waspinator.

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