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1st Jul '16 1:05:57 PM rehberre
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[[WMG: Alternately, a divine-magic-using Bhaalspawn is an attempt to avert [[GodsHandsAreTied The Gods' Hands Are Tied.]]]]

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[[WMG: Alternately, Alternatively, a divine-magic-using Bhaalspawn is an attempt to avert [[GodsHandsAreTied The Gods' Hands Are Tied.]]]]



[[Some justification for the difference between Jaheira's alignment and actions.]]

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[[Some [[WMG: Some justification for the difference between Jaheira's alignment and actions.]]
1st Jul '16 1:04:47 PM rehberre
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As mentioned before, Cyric does mention that the other gods are not allowed to interfere in the crisis. However, the gods could still grant powers to their Bhaalspawn followers as a form of LoopholeAbuse. They're not ''interfering'', they're just doing what they would for any faithful mortal follower of theirs! Bhaal had a lot of enemies among the good-aligned gods, so it'd make sense for them to empower a good-aligned Bhaalspawn as a possible way of preventing Bhaal's resurrection.

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As mentioned before, Cyric does mention that the other gods are not allowed to interfere in the crisis. However, the gods could still grant powers to their Bhaalspawn followers as a form of LoopholeAbuse. They're ("I'm not ''interfering'', they're I'm just doing what they I would for any faithful mortal follower of theirs! mine!") Bhaal had a lot of enemies among the good-aligned gods, so it'd make sense for them to empower a good-aligned Bhaalspawn as a possible way of preventing Bhaal's resurrection.resurrection. Even if other gods don't have a beef with Bhaal himself, they might figure it'd be nice to have either an allied deity (if Charname ascends) or a powerful servant (if Charname doesn't).


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[[Some justification for the difference between Jaheira's alignment and actions.]]
As her character entry states, she's widely considered to be NeutralGood in practice, though TrueNeutral in alignment. Besides Khalid's influence and D&D 2e alignment rules for druids, she might act more Good than Neutral because that's exactly what the times call for. Seeking "balance" is at the top of her priority list, and the Bhaalspawn crisis is threatening to throw that balance out of whack. So she would take Good actions to help rein Evil in. Once things settle down and reach an equilibrium, she could conceivably start acting more Neutral.
30th Jun '16 6:15:20 AM rehberre
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[[WMG: Alternately, a divine-magic-using Bhaalspawn is an attempt to avert [[GodsHandsAreTied The Gods' Hands Are Tied.]]]]
As mentioned before, Cyric does mention that the other gods are not allowed to interfere in the crisis. However, the gods could still grant powers to their Bhaalspawn followers as a form of LoopholeAbuse. They're not ''interfering'', they're just doing what they would for any faithful mortal follower of theirs! Bhaal had a lot of enemies among the good-aligned gods, so it'd make sense for them to empower a good-aligned Bhaalspawn as a possible way of preventing Bhaal's resurrection.
11th Jun '15 12:10:42 AM Apocrypha
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[[WMG: The novels are actually just a really bad fanfiction InUniverse]]

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[[WMG: The novels are actually just a really bad fanfiction InUniverse]]
11th Jun '15 12:09:23 AM Apocrypha
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Instead of her essence/taint being sucked into the black hole that is Bhaal when she dies, facilitating the typical Bhaalspawn disintegration, it stays in “orbit” around the main character until he either resurrects her or dies himself. This additionally serves as an explanation for why she’ll stay by Charname through thick and thin, even if he’s a mass murdering psychopath completely at odds with her own alignment.

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Instead of her essence/taint being sucked into the black hole that is Bhaal when she dies, facilitating the typical Bhaalspawn disintegration, it stays in “orbit” around the main character until he s/he either resurrects her or dies himself. him/herself. This additionally serves as an explanation for why she’ll stay by Charname through thick and thin, even if he’s s/he’s a mass murdering psychopath completely at odds with her own alignment.



[[WMG: A Cleric Bhaalspawn is actually drawing power off their divine spark]]
Not just CHARNAME, but any Bhaalspawn you meet with the Cleric class. Ao decreed, after the Time of Troubles, that none of the other gods were allowed to interfere in the upcoming Bhaalspawn crisis, and Cyric himself admits he's not allowed to help you if you meet him. Granting spells to CHARNAME's cleric followers is okay, because they're choosing how to use them, but giving them to CHARNAME directly is probably off-limits. So all the time CHARNAME was casting clerical spells, they were actually drawing the power necessary off their own divinity. As they grow stronger, they become able to draw out more powerful spells, in place of a deity granting high-level spells to a particularly devout cleric.

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[[WMG: A Cleric Bhaalspawn is actually drawing gets their power off not from a deity, but from their own divine spark]]
Not just CHARNAME, but any Bhaalspawn you meet with the Cleric class. Ao decreed, after the Time of Troubles, that none of the other gods were allowed to interfere in the upcoming Bhaalspawn crisis, and Cyric himself admits he's not allowed to help you if you meet him. Granting spells to CHARNAME's cleric followers is okay, because they're choosing how to use them, but giving them to CHARNAME directly is probably off-limits. So all the time CHARNAME was casting clerical spells, they were actually drawing the power necessary off their own divinity. Because they've never actually seen combat before leaving Candlekeep, and because most of the other Bhaalspawn are still alive, CHARNAME's divine spark is initially weak, and they can only cast a few level one spells. As they grow stronger, they become able stronger and more Bhaalspawn die, their divine essence grows in size and power, allowing them to draw out more powerful spells, energy in place the form of a deity granting high-level spells spells.

[[WMG: Similarly, a Sorcerer/ess Bhaalspawn's power also originates from their divinity]]
...just in the form of arcane talent instead of divine talent. The class description for a Sorcerer in ''Baldur's Gate II'' even says that "some are believed
to be ''descended from gods''".

[[WMG: The novels are actually just
a really bad fanfiction InUniverse]]
Simply because I refuse to acknowledge such abominations as canon. One day, a bard named Abdel Adrian heard the story of CHARNAME, and, desiring such fame, modified it so that he was the star. All the plot holes are caused by his lack of first-hand knowledge of the events, and all the CharacterDerailment is him rewriting the characters,
particularly devout cleric.Jaheira, to his liking. For whatever reason, CHARNAME didn't stop Abdel's work from being circulated, and so his version of the events are the most recognized one.
10th Jun '15 11:57:55 PM Apocrypha
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[[WMG: A Cleric Bhaalspawn is actually drawing power off their divine spark]]
Not just CHARNAME, but any Bhaalspawn you meet with the Cleric class. Ao decreed, after the Time of Troubles, that none of the other gods were allowed to interfere in the upcoming Bhaalspawn crisis, and Cyric himself admits he's not allowed to help you if you meet him. Granting spells to CHARNAME's cleric followers is okay, because they're choosing how to use them, but giving them to CHARNAME directly is probably off-limits. So all the time CHARNAME was casting clerical spells, they were actually drawing the power necessary off their own divinity. As they grow stronger, they become able to draw out more powerful spells, in place of a deity granting high-level spells to a particularly devout cleric.
16th Mar '15 10:49:00 PM Moontear
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[[WMG: Tazok killed Kivan between the five months between games.]]
This isn't my idea, I read a post someone made at forum.baldursgate.com and now can't find the thread. Since Tazok is resurrected after being killed in the first game, the theory goes that he hunted down Kivan to avenge his own death (if Kivan was in your party) or found him in a random encounter (if Kivan wasn't). Obviously, Kivan did not survive this time. Considering how many characters got PutOnABus and their disappearances never explained, it's kind of neat when someone can come up with a theory on why someone didn't show up in the next game.

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[[WMG: Tazok killed Kivan between in the five months between games.]]
This isn't my idea, I read a post someone made at forum.[[http://forum.baldursgate.com and now can't find the thread.com/discussion/comment/465044#Comment_465044 here]]. Since Tazok is resurrected after being killed in the first game, the theory goes that he hunted down Kivan to avenge his own death (if Kivan was in your party) or found him in a random encounter (if Kivan wasn't). Obviously, Kivan did not survive this time. Considering how many characters got PutOnABus and their disappearances never explained, it's kind of neat when someone can come up with a theory on why someone didn't show up in the next game.
16th Mar '15 9:25:27 PM Moontear
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** The ending of Baldur's Gate 1 has statues of apparently every Bhaalspawn ever, and when one of them dies their statue breaks (as seen with Sarevok's). There were a heck of a lot more than twenty Bhaalspawn statues in that huge tower, so it's hard to believe that there were only twenty total.



When talking to Jaheira in the dungeon, she will remark that she's only been drugged. Irenicus doesn't kill Khalid in front of her like he did Dynaheir with Minsc, and he doesn't torture her like he does Imoen and <charname>. So why is he so "nice" to her? Because he's hoping that using a real flesh-and-blood person will instill the emotion he's been lacking, like what he was doing with the clones and the dryads.

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When talking to Jaheira in the dungeon, she will remark that she's only been drugged. Irenicus doesn't kill Khalid in front of her like he did Dynaheir with Minsc, and he doesn't torture her like he does Imoen and <charname>. So why is he so "nice" to her? Because he's hoping that using a real real, closer to actual flesh-and-blood person will instill the emotion he's been lacking, like what he was doing with the clones and the dryads.dryads.

[[WMG: Tazok killed Kivan between the five months between games.]]
This isn't my idea, I read a post someone made at forum.baldursgate.com and now can't find the thread. Since Tazok is resurrected after being killed in the first game, the theory goes that he hunted down Kivan to avenge his own death (if Kivan was in your party) or found him in a random encounter (if Kivan wasn't). Obviously, Kivan did not survive this time. Considering how many characters got PutOnABus and their disappearances never explained, it's kind of neat when someone can come up with a theory on why someone didn't show up in the next game.
12th Mar '15 5:32:32 PM Moontear
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* I always thought her Bhaal-essence was different simply because of the kind of person she was. It doesn't show much in the first game, but in the second she seems to have a great deal of empathy for people in pain. She might also seem happy-go-lucky in the first game, seeing as how she goes through quite a bit but it's not until Irenicus tortures her that she starts to be affected by anything bad.



* Imoen says in Irenicus' dungeon that <charname> and she are the same age. If she's your niece, then your mother had a child in her teens and then had you in her late 30's or early 40's. It is possible that Bhaal could have gotten your mother pregnant more than once; much harder to do would be for him to get your mother pregnant with you while a previous Bhaalspawn son or daughter impregnated/got pregnant by a spouse or lover around the same time. However, I've always believed that Imoen was "different" as a Bhaalspawn mainly because of her childlike innocence, playfulness, and empathy that she has for others. <Charname>'s personality as a child was of a real troublemaking, willful scamp who would skip lessons and run around naked (much to <charname>'s embarrassment).

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* Imoen says in Irenicus' dungeon that <charname> and she are the same age. If she's your niece, then your mother had a child in her teens and then had you in her late 30's or early 40's. It is possible that Bhaal could have gotten your mother pregnant more than once; much harder to do would be for him to get your mother pregnant with you while a previous Bhaalspawn son or daughter impregnated/got pregnant by a spouse or lover around the same time. However, I've always believed that Imoen was "different" as a Bhaalspawn mainly because of her childlike innocence, playfulness, and empathy that she has for others. <Charname>'s personality as a child was of a real troublemaking, willful scamp who would skip lessons and run around naked (much to <charname>'s later embarrassment).


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[[WMG: Irenicus intended to turn Jaheira into a concubine.]]
When talking to Jaheira in the dungeon, she will remark that she's only been drugged. Irenicus doesn't kill Khalid in front of her like he did Dynaheir with Minsc, and he doesn't torture her like he does Imoen and <charname>. So why is he so "nice" to her? Because he's hoping that using a real flesh-and-blood person will instill the emotion he's been lacking, like what he was doing with the clones and the dryads.
9th Mar '15 9:02:07 AM Moontear
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* Imoen says in Irenicus' dungeon that <charname> and she are the same age. If she's your niece, then your mother had a child in her teens and then had you in her late 30's or early 40's. It is possible that Bhaal could have gotten your mother pregnant more than once; much harder to do would be for him to get your mother pregnant with you while a previous Bhaalspawn son or daughter impregnated/got pregnant by a spouse or lover at the same time. However, I've always believed that Imoen was "different" as a Bhaalspawn mainly because of her childlike innocence, playfulness, and empathy that she has for others. <Charname>'s personality as a child was of a real troublemaking, willful scamp who would skip lessons and run around naked (much to <charname>'s embarrassment).

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* Imoen says in Irenicus' dungeon that <charname> and she are the same age. If she's your niece, then your mother had a child in her teens and then had you in her late 30's or early 40's. It is possible that Bhaal could have gotten your mother pregnant more than once; much harder to do would be for him to get your mother pregnant with you while a previous Bhaalspawn son or daughter impregnated/got pregnant by a spouse or lover at around the same time. However, I've always believed that Imoen was "different" as a Bhaalspawn mainly because of her childlike innocence, playfulness, and empathy that she has for others. <Charname>'s personality as a child was of a real troublemaking, willful scamp who would skip lessons and run around naked (much to <charname>'s embarrassment).
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