History WMG / BackToTheFuture

10th Apr '17 5:56:45 AM Abberline1888
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In 1955, Lorraine's father tells her, "If you ever have a kid like [Marty], I'll disown you!" Now, this could be RuleofFunny, or he could have been serious. Think about it- Mr. Baines is never seen in the present day, and the only indication that the McFlys have a relationship with him is when Linda says, "Grandpa hit him with the car" (talking about George back in 1955). However, Linda is older than Marty, and thus, probably had a chance to form a relationship with her grandpa before Marty was born and Mr. Baines cut off all contact with his daughter.

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In 1955, Lorraine's father tells her, "If you ever have a kid like [Marty], I'll disown you!" Now, this could be RuleofFunny, or he could have been serious. Think about it- Mr. Baines is never seen in the present day, and the only indication that the McFlys have a relationship with him is when Linda says, "Grandpa hit him with the car" (talking about George back in 1955). However, Linda is older than Marty, and thus, probably had a chance to form a relationship with her grandpa before Marty was born and Mr. Baines cut off all contact with his daughter.daughter.

[[WMG: Johnny B. Goode has different lyrics and a different melody]]
Listening to the BTTF soundtrack in the car the other day, it struck me that Michael J. Fox sings slightly different lyrics with a slightly different melody at some points in his version of Johnny B. Goode than the more familiar Chuck Berry original. IRL, Johnny B. Goode is one of those songs that no singer sings the same way twice - but in universe, Chuck Berry listens to Marty sing it over the phone and is probably scribbling lyrics as best he can while trying to remember the melody. So Marty's lyrical and melodic screw ups become the "real" lyrics and melody.
22nd Mar '17 3:03:41 PM zrice03
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* This is would mean she's actually the Queen Mother, with William (presumably) being king.
29th Jan '17 7:56:04 PM Cardinal1989
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What does Biff have to do with Hillsdale's existence? There is never any indication that Biff is involved with Hillsdale's creation, the neighborhood itself developed independently from any of the happenings going on in the films (certain nuances would change, but as a whole, it would remain the same). If he disappeared but the neighborhood didn't, that's because he had nothing to do with it anyway. As for the second problem, where by having Doc committed and thus never creating the time machine and thus never acquiring a means to go back in time, I believe that was the idea. Remember that by going back in time and giving his younger self the Almanac, Biff created a new timeline where he is immensely rich and powerful, invalidating the original timeline and thus no longer necessitating the need for the time machine. Marty and Doc should have faded as well since they come from that timeline, but they still existed in spite of that change because the DelayedRippleEffect of the new timeline had yet to reach them in the future when they traveled to the altered 1985 (the time machine protects them and their [[RippleProofMemory memories]] of any events that occur because of their time-triapses).



*** As a [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice certain videogame]]has shown us, the presence of lawyers ensures fair and impartial trials. Remove them and good luck trying to prove yourself innocent against a potentially biased court.

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*** As a [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice certain videogame]]has videogame]] has shown us, the presence of lawyers ensures fair and impartial trials. Remove them and good luck trying to prove yourself innocent against a potentially biased court.
29th Jan '17 6:11:47 PM Cardinal1989
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*** As a [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice certain videogame]]has shown us, the presence of lawyers ensures fair and impartial trials. Remove them and good luck trying to prove yourself innocent against a potentially biased court.
6th Jan '17 5:58:34 PM nombretomado
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* He must have enlisted the help of [[{{Inception}} Leonardo Di Caprio]].

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* He must have enlisted the help of [[{{Inception}} [[Film/{{Inception}} Leonardo Di Caprio]].
24th Nov '16 9:15:44 AM MarchVee
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The stock DeLorean takes 10.6 seconds to get from 0 to 60 MPH, and 40 seconds plus a LOT of room to get up to 100. Doc had to include a lead-lined chamber for the plutonium, which must have added significantly to the car's weight. With the stock engine and that much extra bulk, it might not even have been able to reach 88 MPH at all. So he replaced it with a much more powerful engine from a sports car. That explains why the engine noises don't match those from a normal [=DeLorean=].

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The stock DeLorean [=DeLorean=] takes 10.6 seconds to get from 0 to 60 MPH, and 40 seconds plus a LOT of room to get up to 100. Doc had to include a lead-lined chamber for the plutonium, which must have added significantly to the car's weight. With the stock engine and that much extra bulk, it might not even have been able to reach 88 MPH at all. So he replaced it with a much more powerful engine from a sports car. That explains why the engine noises don't match those from a normal [=DeLorean=].
24th Nov '16 9:13:15 AM MarchVee
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[[WMG: The Delorean door opening in Part II killed Biff.]]

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[[WMG: The Delorean [=Delorean=] door opening in Part II killed Biff.]]



But...it wasn't pointless. Doc PLANNED the entire thing. Doc knew that Marty being a hothead about being called "chicken" resulted in a future that was...not really great. He wants Marty to get over this, but can't just say "You're going to be in a car race that Needles eggs you in to, you're going to hit a Rolls Royce and ruin your future." Doing that would cause problems, because as he says multiple times, no one should know too much about their own future. So instead, he comes up with a plan: set into action a chain of events that will cause Marty to mature, and get over his whole problem with being called chicken. So he uses his knowledge of how timelines and time travel works, and figures out this plan, that involves the entirety of BttF 2 AND 3, that eventually gets Marty to mature. His tombstone just HAPPENS to be next to where the DeLorean is buried in 1955? No...he planned it that way. He let it be known that is where he wanted to be buried, so that Marty would see the tombstone in 1955 and plan to come back to the past, and that the events of part 3 would happen and allow Marty to get over his issues and not get in that accident. Another part of the theory is the malfunctioning Time Circuits in part 2. They worked just fine, he simply made it look like they weren't so he'd have an excuse to be sent back to 1885. When he was trying to land the DeLorean in 1955 after Marty burned the book, he says that he has to fly back around due to the wind, but in what we've seen of the DeLorean flying previously, it seems like it is able to do a vertical landing, akin to a harrier jet. So why suddenly does the wind matter? It doesn't. Doc knows that if he stays in the air he will get hit by lightning, and has the time circuits ready to go to 1885, as it is all part of his perfectly thought-out plan.

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But...it wasn't pointless. Doc PLANNED the entire thing. Doc knew that Marty being a hothead about being called "chicken" resulted in a future that was...not really great. He wants Marty to get over this, but can't just say "You're going to be in a car race that Needles eggs you in to, you're going to hit a Rolls Royce and ruin your future." Doing that would cause problems, because as he says multiple times, no one should know too much about their own future. So instead, he comes up with a plan: set into action a chain of events that will cause Marty to mature, and get over his whole problem with being called chicken. So he uses his knowledge of how timelines and time travel works, and figures out this plan, that involves the entirety of BttF 2 AND 3, that eventually gets Marty to mature. His tombstone just HAPPENS to be next to where the DeLorean [=Delorean=] is buried in 1955? No...he planned it that way. He let it be known that is where he wanted to be buried, so that Marty would see the tombstone in 1955 and plan to come back to the past, and that the events of part 3 would happen and allow Marty to get over his issues and not get in that accident. Another part of the theory is the malfunctioning Time Circuits in part 2. They worked just fine, he simply made it look like they weren't so he'd have an excuse to be sent back to 1885. When he was trying to land the DeLorean [=Delorean=] in 1955 after Marty burned the book, he says that he has to fly back around due to the wind, but in what we've seen of the DeLorean [=Delorean=] flying previously, it seems like it is able to do a vertical landing, akin to a harrier jet. So why suddenly does the wind matter? It doesn't. Doc knows that if he stays in the air he will get hit by lightning, and has the time circuits ready to go to 1885, as it is all part of his perfectly thought-out plan.



** Either that, or Doc Brown is the Doctor after his twelve regen limit is used up, and he's just living through the rest of the years. However, it is also possible that Doc Brown is just a human who was ''visited'' by the Doctor. Doc had a vision, and the Doctor just happened to take a liking to him--he "gently nudged" Doc in the right direction. On top of all that, the DeLorean ''has'' to use the Time/Space Vortex in some way: one miscalculation, and your bright, shiny Time Machine goes flying off the face of the earth.

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** Either that, or Doc Brown is the Doctor after his twelve regen limit is used up, and he's just living through the rest of the years. However, it is also possible that Doc Brown is just a human who was ''visited'' by the Doctor. Doc had a vision, and the Doctor just happened to take a liking to him--he "gently nudged" Doc in the right direction. On top of all that, the DeLorean [=Delorean=] ''has'' to use the Time/Space Vortex in some way: one miscalculation, and your bright, shiny Time Machine goes flying off the face of the earth.



[[WMG:The time Delorean is responsible for all life on Earth.]]

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[[WMG:The time Delorean [=Delorean=] is responsible for all life on Earth.]]



Even though we already have some rudimentary form of [[http://www.terrafugia.com/ flying car]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4N-CLPXF8w hoverboard]], by 2015 they will not be as advanced and ubiquitous as they were depicted to be in [=BTTF2=]. On the other hand, information technology marched much faster than what was shown in [=BTTF2=], and pretty much every electronic device we have can be connected to the internet (which was implied not to exist in [=BTTF2=]). This is because another time traveller used his own time machine to change the timeline for his own purposes (just stealing the Delorean for it would result in a time paradox, because it is equipped with technology from a future this action would cause not to exist). More precisely, he went back to 1989 and invented the World Wide Web as Tim Berners-Lee. This caused information technology to progress with unnatural speed, while at the same time slowing down to a crawl every other sector of technology.

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Even though we already have some rudimentary form of [[http://www.terrafugia.com/ flying car]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4N-CLPXF8w hoverboard]], by 2015 they will not be as advanced and ubiquitous as they were depicted to be in [=BTTF2=]. On the other hand, information technology marched much faster than what was shown in [=BTTF2=], and pretty much every electronic device we have can be connected to the internet (which was implied not to exist in [=BTTF2=]). This is because another time traveller used his own time machine to change the timeline for his own purposes (just stealing the Delorean [=Delorean=] for it would result in a time paradox, because it is equipped with technology from a future this action would cause not to exist). More precisely, he went back to 1989 and invented the World Wide Web as Tim Berners-Lee. This caused information technology to progress with unnatural speed, while at the same time slowing down to a crawl every other sector of technology.



[[WMG: During the build process, Doc replaced the DeLorean's stock engine]]
The stock DeLorean takes 10.6 seconds to get from 0 to 60 MPH, and 40 seconds plus a LOT of room to get up to 100. Doc had to include a lead-lined chamber for the plutonium, which must have added significantly to the car's weight. With the stock engine and that much extra bulk, it might not even have been able to reach 88 MPH at all. So he replaced it with a much more powerful engine from a sports car. That explains why the engine noises don't match those from a normal DeLorean.

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[[WMG: During the build process, Doc replaced the DeLorean's [=DeLorean=]'s stock engine]]
The stock DeLorean takes 10.6 seconds to get from 0 to 60 MPH, and 40 seconds plus a LOT of room to get up to 100. Doc had to include a lead-lined chamber for the plutonium, which must have added significantly to the car's weight. With the stock engine and that much extra bulk, it might not even have been able to reach 88 MPH at all. So he replaced it with a much more powerful engine from a sports car. That explains why the engine noises don't match those from a normal DeLorean.
[=DeLorean=].



[[WMG: When Doc Brown and family visit Marty and Jennifer at the end of Part 3, Doc originally intended to destroy the Delorean and, if necessary, kill Marty.]]

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[[WMG: When Doc Brown and family visit Marty and Jennifer at the end of Part 3, Doc originally intended to destroy the Delorean [=DeLorean=] and, if necessary, kill Marty.]]



** Maybe Doc found out Marty had diabetes, and keeps insulin around the lab just in case, and there's some in the glove box of the Delorian.

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** Maybe Doc found out Marty had diabetes, and keeps insulin around the lab just in case, and there's some in the glove box of the Delorian.
[=DeLorean=].



* The reason Marty and Doc have time traveled several times without screwing up enough to make any fatal paradoxes is because the sentient parts of time has grown to like them both, and cleans up parts of time to help them out. The fact that the [=McFly=] family suddenly becomes awesome, and that Doc eventually found the love of his life, was little gifts from time itself. And the reason they often get into trouble (lightning bolt hitting the DeLorean much? Biff going back in time?) is time wanting to get them into adventures both for its own amusement and them getting amazing memories.

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* The reason Marty and Doc have time traveled several times without screwing up enough to make any fatal paradoxes is because the sentient parts of time has grown to like them both, and cleans up parts of time to help them out. The fact that the [=McFly=] family suddenly becomes awesome, and that Doc eventually found the love of his life, was little gifts from time itself. And the reason they often get into trouble (lightning bolt hitting the DeLorean [=DeLorean=] much? Biff going back in time?) is time wanting to get them into adventures both for its own amusement and them getting amazing memories.



** And where will our intrepid heroes go? Well, with the time circuits going berzerk, the Delorean wouldn't be confined from the measly range of 0 to 9999 AD. A crossover with Telltale's upcoming Jurassic Park game may occur, courtesy of the actual Jurassic Period (continental drift notwithstanding). And, of course, as hinted in Episode 1, [[spoiler:2011]] may also be on the cards.

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** And where will our intrepid heroes go? Well, with the time circuits going berzerk, the Delorean [=Delorean=] wouldn't be confined from the measly range of 0 to 9999 AD. A crossover with Telltale's upcoming Jurassic Park game may occur, courtesy of the actual Jurassic Period (continental drift notwithstanding). And, of course, as hinted in Episode 1, [[spoiler:2011]] may also be on the cards.



So the DeLorean was [[UnfortunateImplications feeling suicidal]] at the end of the third film?

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So the DeLorean [=DeLorean=] was [[UnfortunateImplications feeling suicidal]] at the end of the third film?



* And even without figuring out the time travel thing, it still has Mr. Fusion and a broken hover conversion, either of which could cause massive timeline changes. Basically, if the timestream doesn't destroy the DeLorean, there's going to be some major alterations to the timeline soon.

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* And even without figuring out the time travel thing, it still has Mr. Fusion and a broken hover conversion, either of which could cause massive timeline changes. Basically, if the timestream doesn't destroy the DeLorean, [=DeLorean=], there's going to be some major alterations to the timeline soon.



[[WMG:Carl Sagan's Cosmos inspired Doc to choose a Delorean.]]

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[[WMG:Carl Sagan's Cosmos inspired Doc to choose a Delorean.[=DeLorean=].]]
30th Oct '16 12:50:42 PM timrulez
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[[WMG: Lorraine's father really did disown her when she had Marty]
In 1955, Lorraine's father tells her, "If you ever have a kid like [Marty,] I'll disown you!" Now, this could be RuleofFunny, or he could have been serious. Think about it- Mr. Baines is never seen in the present day, and the only indication that the McFlys have a relationship with him is when Linda says, "Grandpa hit him with the car" (talking about George back in 1955). However, Linda is older than Marty, and thus, probably had a chance to form a relationship with her grandpa before Marty was born and Mr. Baines cut off all contact with his daughter.

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[[WMG: Lorraine's father really did disown her when she had Marty]
Marty]]
In 1955, Lorraine's father tells her, "If you ever have a kid like [Marty,] [Marty], I'll disown you!" Now, this could be RuleofFunny, or he could have been serious. Think about it- Mr. Baines is never seen in the present day, and the only indication that the McFlys have a relationship with him is when Linda says, "Grandpa hit him with the car" (talking about George back in 1955). However, Linda is older than Marty, and thus, probably had a chance to form a relationship with her grandpa before Marty was born and Mr. Baines cut off all contact with his daughter.
30th Oct '16 12:48:37 PM timrulez
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Now, keep in mind, [[spoiler:"Needle's Story" (the issue that came out before this series and detailed Needles meeting Marty in 1979)]] ended on [[spoiler:Needles in jail, telling Marty that he's coming after him once he gets out]]. Call me nutty, but I ''seriously'' think [[spoiler:Needles, once out, is going to stumble across a time machine, most likely the [=DeLorean=], go back to 1979, and go after Marty ''then'']]. The plot of "Hard Time" most likely is about the repercussions of [[spoiler:Needles altering Marty's past]].

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Now, keep in mind, [[spoiler:"Needle's Story" (the issue that came out before this series and detailed Needles meeting Marty in 1979)]] ended on [[spoiler:Needles in jail, telling Marty that he's coming after him once he gets out]]. Call me nutty, but I ''seriously'' think [[spoiler:Needles, once out, is going to stumble across a time machine, most likely the [=DeLorean=], go back to 1979, and go after Marty ''then'']]. The plot of "Hard Time" most likely is about the repercussions of [[spoiler:Needles altering Marty's past]].past]].

[[WMG: Lorraine's father really did disown her when she had Marty]
In 1955, Lorraine's father tells her, "If you ever have a kid like [Marty,] I'll disown you!" Now, this could be RuleofFunny, or he could have been serious. Think about it- Mr. Baines is never seen in the present day, and the only indication that the McFlys have a relationship with him is when Linda says, "Grandpa hit him with the car" (talking about George back in 1955). However, Linda is older than Marty, and thus, probably had a chance to form a relationship with her grandpa before Marty was born and Mr. Baines cut off all contact with his daughter.
2nd Oct '16 3:45:37 PM BobSaget9
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At this current moment, the Publisher's Summaries for the first three issues are out. From that, the following is clear: someone is after Marty, [[spoiler:his childhood memories are starting to not match the present, and issue #3's summary ''strongly'' hints at someone altering the past[[note]]"WHO IS MARTY McFLY?! He's the guy caught in a timestorm, that's who. Reality is shifting, and Marty and Doc not only don't know why or how... they don't even know that it's happening. Who else has a time machine... and why is it all Marty's fault?[[/note]]]].

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At this current moment, the Publisher's Summaries for the first three issues are out. From that, the following is clear: someone is after Marty, [[spoiler:his childhood memories are starting to not match the present, and issue #3's summary ''strongly'' hints at someone altering the past[[note]]"WHO IS MARTY McFLY?! [=McFLY=]?! He's the guy caught in a timestorm, that's who. Reality is shifting, and Marty and Doc not only don't know why or how... they don't even know that it's happening. Who else has a time machine... and why is it all Marty's fault?[[/note]]]].
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