History WMG / AtlantisTheLostEmpire

1st Mar '17 2:05:22 PM StFan
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At the beginning and the end of the movie, we see the amazing power of the Heart - a vast, ancient, no-longer-human intelligence made up of the intellects of Atlantis' past rulers, of which Kida is merely the newest and smallest part. So why did it meekly allow itself to be crated for transport to the surface? ''Maybe it wanted to go.'' Imagine the unveiling to the generals in Washington (or Berlin) of the new superweapon... which promptly declares itself God-Emperor and takes the city (despite the surprised and very brief resistance of the natives) to be the capital of perhaps... [[NadiaTheSecretOfBlueWater Neo-Atlantis]]?

[[WMG: Gaetan 'The Mole' Moliere is actually Pig Pen from ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}.]]
Think about it. Pig Pen Had no name (everyone calls him Pig Pen) and Peanuts comic strip is populated by mentally ill geniuses: Lucy Van Pelt the sociopathic quack doctor that nevertheless knows a bit too much about psychiatry and manipulation for a kid her age and fell in love with the music genius Schroeder; Linus van Pelt the super strong and coordinated boy that memorized the Bible with photographic memory but believes in The Great Pumpkin and carries the blanket that he can use to slice off tree branches, hit coins in mid air and use as a sling David vs Goliath Style; Schroeder the music genius (I don't remember his mental illness); Peppermint Patty the athletic sports prodigy with learning disabilities and our favorite man Chuck Brown, whose genius is mostly hidden by his depression, but he did get the beat up natural Christmas tree instead of the aluminum one, meaning he is smarter than he-or others-give him credit for. This calls for and Atlantis/Peanuts crossover.


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At the beginning and the end of the movie, we see the amazing power of the Heart - -- a vast, ancient, no-longer-human intelligence made up of the intellects of Atlantis' past rulers, of which Kida is merely the newest and smallest part. So why did it meekly allow itself to be crated for transport to the surface? ''Maybe it wanted to go.'' Imagine the unveiling to the generals in Washington (or Berlin) of the new superweapon... which promptly declares itself God-Emperor and takes the city (despite the surprised and very brief resistance of the natives) to be the capital of perhaps... [[NadiaTheSecretOfBlueWater [[Anime/NadiaTheSecretOfBlueWater Neo-Atlantis]]?

[[WMG: Gaetan 'The Mole' "The Mole" Moliere is actually Pig Pen from ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}.''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}''.]]
Think about it. Pig Pen Had no name (everyone calls him Pig Pen) and Peanuts comic strip ''Peanuts'' is populated by mentally ill geniuses: Lucy Van Pelt the sociopathic quack doctor that nevertheless knows a bit too much about psychiatry and manipulation for a kid her age and fell in love with the music genius Schroeder; Linus van Pelt the super strong and coordinated boy that memorized the Bible with photographic memory but believes in The Great Pumpkin and carries the blanket that he can use to slice off tree branches, hit coins in mid air and use as a sling David vs Goliath Style; Schroeder the music genius (I don't remember his mental illness); Peppermint Patty the athletic sports prodigy with learning disabilities and our favorite man Chuck Brown, whose genius is mostly hidden by his depression, but he did get the beat up natural Christmas tree instead of the aluminum one, meaning he is smarter than he-or others-give him credit for. This calls for and Atlantis/Peanuts ''Atlantis''/''Peanuts'' crossover.

2nd Jan '17 9:21:26 AM memememememe
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At the beginning and the end of the movie, we see the amazing power of the Heart - a vast, ancient, no-longer-human intelligence made up of the intellects of Atlantis' past rulers, of which Kida is merely the newest and smallest part. So why did it meekly allow itself to be crated for transport to the surface? ''Maybe it wanted to go.'' Imagine the unveiling to the generals in Washington (or Berlin) of the new superweapon... which promptly declares itself God-Emperor and takes the city (despite the surprised and very brief resistance of the natives) to be the capital of the new Atlantean Empire.

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At the beginning and the end of the movie, we see the amazing power of the Heart - a vast, ancient, no-longer-human intelligence made up of the intellects of Atlantis' past rulers, of which Kida is merely the newest and smallest part. So why did it meekly allow itself to be crated for transport to the surface? ''Maybe it wanted to go.'' Imagine the unveiling to the generals in Washington (or Berlin) of the new superweapon... which promptly declares itself God-Emperor and takes the city (despite the surprised and very brief resistance of the natives) to be the capital of the new Atlantean Empire.
perhaps... [[NadiaTheSecretOfBlueWater Neo-Atlantis]]?
22nd Dec '16 9:46:01 AM zygomian
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* Other points to consider:
** Thaddeus left the journal with Whitmore, wrapped up for delivery to Milo, "incase anything should happen to him." This would suggest that Thaddeus suspected his life might be in danger. Otherwise, why would a dedicated archaeologist wrap up and give away the one and only map to '''Atlantis''', instead of studying it and deciphering it so that he could actually find the lost city?
** The movie implies that the only useful information gleaned from the journal was translated by Milo (except for a loose summary of the missing page, which Rourke understood before Milo ever saw it). Whitmore didn't seem to know the pertinent details of how to get to the city until Milo was able to translate the journal. This would suggest that Thaddeus wasn't in possession of the journal for very long, otherwise he likely would've translated much of the journal and already provided Whitmore with the directions to the city.
** It's strongly implied that Milo never lets the journal out of his sight once he acquires it. This would mean that Rourke would've had to remove the missing page ''before'' Thaddeus wrapped it up to give it to Whitmore. If this is the case, then Thaddeus would likely have noticed that the most important page of the book had gone missing. If he suspected Rourke, he probably would've confronted him about it, explaining why Rourke would've killed the old man.
** As previously mentioned, Rourke warns Milo (at gunpoint, no less), to not "be like his grandfather" when they are discussing stealing the crystal from the atlanteans. It's strongly implied that Thaddeus's refusal to sell out like Rourke had unfortunate consequences for him - i.e. resulted in his murder. The tone of the conversation also suggests that Rourke had this exact same argument with Thaddeus, about selling the crystal on the black market.
9th Dec '16 5:05:23 AM IdumeanPatriot
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[[WMG: Helga isn't actually German, she's really a [[Literature/TheDraka Draka]].]]
StatuesqueStunner, blond, AmazonianBeauty DarkActionGirl who has a garbled Anglo-German name, dresses like Lara Croft would if she was practical, and acts and talks, well, exhibitionistically by early 20th century standards. Oh, and she also has military background, being a lieutenant in someone's private army... in ''1914''. Doesn't all this ''scream'' Draka? Finally, her character design is very similar to the Draka girl on the cover of the ''Drakon'' novel. The only way it could've been any more obvious where she's from would not have gotten past the radar in 2001.
12th Nov '16 8:10:13 PM maxwellsilver
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[[WMG: The crystal took away the Atlantian's ability to read]]
The king says to Milo that "In my arrogance I sought to use it [the crystal] as a weapon." The crystal was ''incredibly'' pissed off by that, and so it decided to take away the Atlantian's warmongering abilities. One of the things it did to accompish this was to take away the Atlantian's ability ot read so that they would no longer be able to operate their war-machines, but instead would have had to rebuild their civilization's traditions and things from the ground up. If you have a machine that catches fish, but you don't know how to use it anymore, and you can't read the instrucion manual, then you're going to have to spend more time learning how to catch fish a different way so you don't starve is my thinking. By the time Milo got to Atlantis, the people had shifted their priorities, and the crystal let them relearn how to read because they were no longer a war-race.[[note]] Note, I did not say "[[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Warrior Race]]"- they're still ''that'', but they do not feel a need to go to war to feel superior.[[/note]]

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\n* Non-royal Atlanteans living normal lifespans and the king outlawing various forms of education?

[[WMG: The crystal took away the Atlantian's Atlanteans' ability to read]]
The king says to Milo that "In my arrogance I sought to use it [the crystal] as a weapon." The crystal was ''incredibly'' pissed off by that, and so it decided to take away the Atlantian's Atlanteans' warmongering abilities. One of the things it did to accompish accomplish this was to take away the Atlantian's Atlanteans' ability ot to read so that they would no longer be able to operate their war-machines, but instead would have had to rebuild their civilization's traditions and things from the ground up. If you have a machine that catches fish, but you don't know how to use it anymore, and you can't read the instrucion instruction manual, then you're going to have to spend more time learning how to catch fish a different way so you don't starve is my thinking. By the time Milo got to Atlantis, the people had shifted their priorities, and the crystal let them relearn how to read because they were no longer a war-race.[[note]] Note, I did not say "[[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Warrior Race]]"- they're still ''that'', but they do not feel a need to go to war to feel superior.[[/note]]



The civilians continued to age at a relatively normal rate for people who have no infection or permanent injury and a slight boost to their "don't fall apart after the quality of your copied cells starts to degrade" ability, and the royal family (having a direct connection to the crystal instead of merely living under its influence) got a version of the last ability that was imperfect but turned UpToEleven. Learning of this is part of why Milo isn't worried about an immortal old coot running around the surface and being [[CrazyAwesome Crazy-Awesome-emphasis-on-the-"Crazy"]] for too long, WhoWantsToLiveForever and the easy removability of the crystals notwithstanding.

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The civilians continued to age at a relatively normal rate for people who have no infection or permanent injury and a slight boost to their "don't fall apart after the quality of your copied cells starts to degrade" ability, and the royal family (having a direct connection to the crystal instead of merely living under its influence) got a version of the last ability that was imperfect but turned UpToEleven. Learning of this is part of why Milo isn't worried about an immortal old coot running around the surface and being [[CrazyAwesome Crazy-Awesome-emphasis-on-the-"Crazy"]] CrazyAwesome for too long, WhoWantsToLiveForever and the easy removability of the crystals notwithstanding.
* Plus children are shown, which would make Atlantis grossly overpopulated if people had extremely long, nigh immortal lifespans.



[[http://www.cracked.com/article_18708_5-reasons-immortality-would-be-worse-than-death.html This]] article states that one of the reasons immortality would suck is that your ability to remember would degenerate the longer you live due to the sheer amount of information you would possess. Considering the Atlantaeans are over eight thousand years old and the crystals likely prevent mental decay they subconsciously forget most of their memories with a few exceptions (remembering their names and what happened on the day Atlantis fell, for example). Skills they needed on a daily basis like hunting and crafting were retained through repetition, essentially relearning the skills over and over again while writing and machine operation fell to the wayside as unnecessary. This is why the Atlantaeans become [[InstantExpert Experts]] when flying their craft in the final battle as they experienced mild deja vu while piloting their fish-craft. Their daily routine is probably so similar until the expedition arrives it all mashes into a single set of memories (wake up, hunt, make baskets and clothes, etc.)

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[[http://www.cracked.com/article_18708_5-reasons-immortality-would-be-worse-than-death.html This]] article states that one of the reasons immortality would suck is that your ability to remember would degenerate the longer you live due to the sheer amount of information you would possess. Considering the Atlantaeans Atlanteans are over eight thousand years old and the crystals likely prevent mental decay they subconsciously forget most of their memories with a few exceptions (remembering their names and what happened on the day Atlantis fell, for example). Skills they needed on a daily basis like hunting and crafting were retained through repetition, essentially relearning the skills over and over again while writing and machine operation fell to the wayside as unnecessary. This is why the Atlantaeans become Atlanteans became [[InstantExpert Experts]] when flying their craft in the final battle as they experienced mild deja vu while piloting their fish-craft. Their daily routine is probably so similar until the expedition arrives it all mashes into a single set of memories (wake up, hunt, make baskets and clothes, etc.)
* This does assume non-royalty have the same nigh-immortal lifespans as Kida and the king, which is likely not the case.



* One of those highly advanced empires was the city of R'lyeh, whose god didn't take kindly to the Atlantians attack on his city and washed it away.

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* One of those highly advanced empires was the city of R'lyeh, whose god didn't take kindly to the Atlantians Atlanteans attack on his city and washed it away.



Because there's no way hundreds of people would turn a blind eye to his evil shenanigans and he wouldn't share with all of them. So he planned for all the non-essential to die.

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Because there's no way hundreds of people would turn a blind eye to his evil shenanigans and he wouldn't share with all of them. So he planned for all the non-essential nonessential to die.



The movie takes place in 1914 the year world war one broke out in Europe historicly America wanted to stay out of the war but was building up weapons just in case and to covertly give to England.

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The movie takes place in 1914 the year world war one broke out in Europe historicly historically America wanted to stay out of the war but was building up weapons just in case and to covertly give to England.



A experiment of the [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica Incubators]]. It is the Atlantian's power, and it could be that all the dead Atlantians don't die, but get absorbed into the crystal and their collective conscience is it's alien thought process, and perhaps the altered perception of a [[spoiler: witch]] or three. The little mini-crystals are their soul gems, they glow and they dimmed when the life force of the city left. But somehow different, as they are not a [[spoiler: SoulJar]], as the old man gave Milo his, and the old billionaire obtained one when he didn't even go. Maybe Kyuubey was messing around over there. When the light turns red, someone [[spoiler: witched out]], and they need a Puella Magi of some sorts to be absorbed into it to kill it or something.

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A experiment of the [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica Incubators]]. It is the Atlantian's Atlanteans' power, and it could be that all the dead Atlantians Atlanteans don't die, but get absorbed into the crystal and their collective conscience is it's alien thought process, and perhaps the altered perception of a [[spoiler: witch]] or three. The little mini-crystals are their soul gems, they glow and they dimmed when the life force of the city left. But somehow different, as they are not a [[spoiler: SoulJar]], as the old man gave Milo his, and the old billionaire obtained one when he didn't even go. Maybe Kyuubey was messing around over there. When the light turns red, someone [[spoiler: witched out]], and they need a Puella Magi of some sorts to be absorbed into it to kill it or something.



Being turned back into humans caused the servents in ''Beauty and the Beast'' to become immortal. A few centuries after the events of that film, Cogsworth moved to America, where he changed his name and become the head of the museum. Why do I think this? Not only do they have the same voice actor, but they look and behave really similar as well.

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Being turned back into humans caused the servents servants in ''Beauty and the Beast'' to become immortal. A few centuries after the events of that film, Cogsworth moved to America, where he changed his name and become the head of the museum. Why do I think this? Not only do they have the same voice actor, but they look and behave really similar as well.



[[StatuesqueStunner Tall, blond,]] [[AmazonianBeauty muscular]] DarkActionGirl who has a garbled Anglo-German name, dresses like Lara Croft would if she was practical, and acts and talks, well, [[MsFanservice exhibitionistically]] by early 20th century standards. Oh, and she also has military background, being a lieutenant in someone's army... in ''[[ArtisticLicenseHistory 1914]]''. Doesn't all this ''scream'' Draka? Finally, her character design is very similar to the Draka girl on the cover of the ''Drakon'' novel. The only way it could've been any more obvious where she's from would not have [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar gotten past the radar]] in 2001.

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[[StatuesqueStunner Tall, blond,]] [[AmazonianBeauty muscular]] StatuesqueStunner, blond, AmazonianBeauty DarkActionGirl who has a garbled Anglo-German name, dresses like Lara Croft would if she was practical, and acts and talks, well, [[MsFanservice exhibitionistically]] exhibitionistically by early 20th century standards. Oh, and she also has military background, being a lieutenant in someone's private army... in ''[[ArtisticLicenseHistory 1914]]''.''1914''. Doesn't all this ''scream'' Draka? Finally, her character design is very similar to the Draka girl on the cover of the ''Drakon'' novel. The only way it could've been any more obvious where she's from would not have [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar gotten past the radar]] radar in 2001.



Tolkien's basic arc of Middle Earth was that magic decreases as a function of time, transforming his wonderous world of Elves, Men, Dwarves, and Hobbits into our modern world over the course of thousands of years. And we know that Beleriand was destroyed thousands of years before the time period of Lord of the Rings, and sank beneath the waves. This is the catastrophic tsunami that we see at the beginning of the first Atlantis film. Atlantis was only saved from the rest of Beleriand's fate by the Heart of Atlantis and the queen joining together to save the city from the fury of the Valar. And through the Second Age, Third, Fourth, and all the intervening Ages from the War of Wrath to the First World War, Atlantis sat beneath what became the Atlantic Ocean, slowly crumbing. Whether the Atlanteans were Elves, Men, or a mix of both, I don't know.

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Tolkien's basic arc of Middle Earth was that magic decreases as a function of time, transforming his wonderous wondrous world of Elves, Men, Dwarves, and Hobbits into our modern world over the course of thousands of years. And we know that Beleriand was destroyed thousands of years before the time period of Lord of the Rings, and sank beneath the waves. This is the catastrophic tsunami that we see at the beginning of the first Atlantis film. Atlantis was only saved from the rest of Beleriand's fate by the Heart of Atlantis and the queen joining together to save the city from the fury of the Valar. And through the Second Age, Third, Fourth, and all the intervening Ages from the War of Wrath to the First World War, Atlantis sat beneath what became the Atlantic Ocean, slowly crumbing. Whether the Atlanteans were Elves, Men, or a mix of both, I don't know.know.
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15th Aug '16 9:48:05 PM VulcanTrekkie45
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[[StatuesqueStunner Tall, blond,]] [[AmazonianBeauty muscular]] DarkActionGirl who has a garbled Anglo-German name, dresses like Lara Croft would if she was practical, and acts and talks, well, [[MsFanservice exhibitionistically]] by early 20th century standards. Oh, and she also has military background, being a lieutenant in someone's army... in ''[[ArtisticLicenseHistory 1914]]''. Doesn't all this ''scream'' Draka? Finally, her character design is very similar to the Draka girl on the cover of the ''Drakon'' novel. The only way it could've been any more obvious where she's from would not have [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar gotten past the radar]] in 2001.

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[[StatuesqueStunner Tall, blond,]] [[AmazonianBeauty muscular]] DarkActionGirl who has a garbled Anglo-German name, dresses like Lara Croft would if she was practical, and acts and talks, well, [[MsFanservice exhibitionistically]] by early 20th century standards. Oh, and she also has military background, being a lieutenant in someone's army... in ''[[ArtisticLicenseHistory 1914]]''. Doesn't all this ''scream'' Draka? Finally, her character design is very similar to the Draka girl on the cover of the ''Drakon'' novel. The only way it could've been any more obvious where she's from would not have [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar gotten past the radar]] in 2001.2001.

[[WMG: Atlantis is the last remnant of [[Literature/TheSilmarillion Beleriand]].]]
Tolkien's basic arc of Middle Earth was that magic decreases as a function of time, transforming his wonderous world of Elves, Men, Dwarves, and Hobbits into our modern world over the course of thousands of years. And we know that Beleriand was destroyed thousands of years before the time period of Lord of the Rings, and sank beneath the waves. This is the catastrophic tsunami that we see at the beginning of the first Atlantis film. Atlantis was only saved from the rest of Beleriand's fate by the Heart of Atlantis and the queen joining together to save the city from the fury of the Valar. And through the Second Age, Third, Fourth, and all the intervening Ages from the War of Wrath to the First World War, Atlantis sat beneath what became the Atlantic Ocean, slowly crumbing. Whether the Atlanteans were Elves, Men, or a mix of both, I don't know.
16th Jul '16 8:13:00 AM IdumeanPatriot
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[[WMG: Rourke is an [[UsefulNotes/Objectivism Objectivist]].]]

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[[WMG: Rourke is an [[UsefulNotes/Objectivism [[UsefulNotes/{{Objectivism}} Objectivist]].]]



* Rourke is an extremely practical man clearly looking forward to the worldly benefits of having (and selling) the Heart of Atlantis. The closed-circuit society of Rapture would hold little attraction for him, especially given how accustomed he's likely become to constant travel after years of mercenary work. Rourke might make a good agent on the surface if Rapture wasn't too paranoid (and then too decrepit) to have them.

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* Rourke is an extremely practical man clearly looking forward to the worldly benefits of having (and selling) the Heart of Atlantis. The closed-circuit society of Rapture would hold little attraction for him, especially given how accustomed he's likely become to constant travel after years of mercenary work. Rourke might make a good agent on the surface if Rapture wasn't too paranoid (and then too decrepit) to have them.them.

[[WMG: Helga isn't actually German, she's really a [[Literature/TheDraka Draka]].]]
[[StatuesqueStunner Tall, blond,]] [[AmazonianBeauty muscular]] DarkActionGirl who has a garbled Anglo-German name, dresses like Lara Croft would if she was practical, and acts and talks, well, [[MsFanservice exhibitionistically]] by early 20th century standards. Oh, and she also has military background, being a lieutenant in someone's army... in ''[[ArtisticLicenseHistory 1914]]''. Doesn't all this ''scream'' Draka? Finally, her character design is very similar to the Draka girl on the cover of the ''Drakon'' novel. The only way it could've been any more obvious where she's from would not have [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar gotten past the radar]] in 2001.
14th Jul '16 3:19:43 AM DesignatedNPC
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* It's likely that it was the experiment of some other Incubator far back in human history, possibly an attempt at creating a perpetual-motion machine in a "cage" where absorbed souls exist in a kind of limbo, theoretically allowing them to generate energy forever. The process is contrary to how human souls are meant to be and the Incubators didn't understand that, but were aware that something wasn't working right. The individual crystals were an attempt to patch the flaw, siphoning small amounts of "fresh" energy from still-active souls to hopefully balance the "stagnant" energy generated by captured souls; as a result the Atlanteans received minor versions of a soul gem's benefits, i.e. enhanced physical abilities and healing. Inevitably Entropy crept in and the accumulating despair of the souls within the Heart weakened the crystal, essentially forming one massive composite [[spoiler:witch]]. The Heart partially neutered the [[spoiler:witch]], preventing it from manifesting physically or forming a [[spoiler:Barrier]], but they were still capable of sinking Atlantis: The only way of ending the rampage is by having the equivalent of a Puella Magi absorbed into the Heart, using her [[spoiler:wish]] to calm the souls within. Young girls are the best candidates to become Puella Magi, so when Kida's mother was forced to enter the Heart it absorbed her soul completely; Kida, being far younger (if not chronologically) and possessing a brighter soul (she's still spirited and curious even after thousands of years), was able to avoid losing herself. Of course, for the Incubators, this turned out to be a dead end and they returned to their standard method of harvesting energy.



He calls himself a 'venture capitalist', is a SocialDarwinist-style of sociopath, and sees nothing bad in killing off an entire civilization if he can make some extra money, weird that he doesn't work for Rapture.

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He calls himself a 'venture capitalist', is a SocialDarwinist-style of sociopath, and sees nothing bad in killing off an entire civilization if he can make some extra money, weird that he doesn't work for Rapture.Rapture.
* Rourke is an extremely practical man clearly looking forward to the worldly benefits of having (and selling) the Heart of Atlantis. The closed-circuit society of Rapture would hold little attraction for him, especially given how accustomed he's likely become to constant travel after years of mercenary work. Rourke might make a good agent on the surface if Rapture wasn't too paranoid (and then too decrepit) to have them.
23rd Jun '16 5:24:03 AM Doug86
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[[WMG: Gaetan 'The Mole' Moliere is actually Pig Pen from {{Peanuts}}.]]

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[[WMG: Gaetan 'The Mole' Moliere is actually Pig Pen from {{Peanuts}}.ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}.]]
19th Jun '16 2:15:05 AM Doug86
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[[WMG: The Heart of Atlantis is the Disney Multiverse counterpart to the [[Comicbook/GreenLantern Blue Lantern Power Battery]]]]

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[[WMG: The Heart of Atlantis is the Disney Multiverse counterpart to the [[Comicbook/GreenLantern [[Franchise/GreenLantern Blue Lantern Power Battery]]]]
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