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4th Jan '16 4:38:57 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: We will meet (or at least find out about) the modern-day Templar Grandmaster, and he will be [[SoulCalibur Zasalamel]].]]
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[[WMG: We will meet (or at least find out about) the modern-day Templar Grandmaster, and he will be [[SoulCalibur [[VideoGame/SoulCalibur Zasalamel]].]]
5th Aug '14 12:55:33 PM Downsider
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* Actually, Ezio did start complaining about the small pains of age as early as (I think) Sequence 2 in Brotherhood. "Ow, my back" anyone?. And he does mutter "This used to be so easy" early on in Revelations. His age does affect him but because he has made sure all his life to keep himself fit and healthy it affects him less than it would any normal person. Accurately handled in my opinion.
26th Jul '14 5:57:40 PM Morgenthaler
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* I think one of the vaults might be a gene bank of some kind. It wasn't designed to shelter any people, but rather to store genetic information of members of the First Civilisation so that they could be resurrected following the disaster and help rebuild the society faster than they otherwise would. The First Civilisation created humanity from scratch, so that requires some fantastic genetic knowledge. Therefore it's definitely possible that they could have a gene bank containing hundreds, if not thousands, of individual First Civilisation genomes. Think of the sheer amount of information stored in the titular ship in TitanAE, but probably more. Whether or not they've survived the 750 or so centuries since the disaster is uncertain.
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* I think one of the vaults might be a gene bank of some kind. It wasn't designed to shelter any people, but rather to store genetic information of members of the First Civilisation so that they could be resurrected following the disaster and help rebuild the society faster than they otherwise would. The First Civilisation created humanity from scratch, so that requires some fantastic genetic knowledge. Therefore it's definitely possible that they could have a gene bank containing hundreds, if not thousands, of individual First Civilisation genomes. Think of the sheer amount of information stored in the titular ship in TitanAE, WesternAnimation/TitanAE, but probably more. Whether or not they've survived the 750 or so centuries since the disaster is uncertain.
4th May '14 11:09:37 PM karategal
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[[WMG: When you play as Altair in Revelations, you will be able to swim.]] Because the official explanation for Altair's sudden swimming deaths is that it's an Animus glitch. Since Desmond is in a different Animus and Ezio is not in an Animus at all, that glitch will not exist. * [[{{AscendedMeme}} ... Alternatively, you still won't be able to swim because Altair really was hydrophobic.]]
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[[WMG: When you play as Altair Alta´r in Revelations, you will be able to swim.]] Because the official explanation for Altair's Alta´r's sudden swimming deaths is that it's an Animus glitch. Since Desmond is in a different Animus and Ezio is not in an Animus at all, that glitch will not exist. * [[{{AscendedMeme}} ... Alternatively, you still won't be able to swim because Altair Alta´r really was hydrophobic.]]

[[WMG: Ezio and Altair have superpowers beyond eagle vision]] courtesy of being descended from those who came before. There's no other way Altair could live to 92 in the middle ages, not to mention Ezio being just as physically capable at 52 as at 19. They have enhanced strength, endurance, and longevity.
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[[WMG: Ezio and Altair Alta´r have superpowers beyond eagle vision]] courtesy of being descended from those who came before. There's no other way Altair Alta´r could live to 92 in the middle ages, Middle Ages, not to mention Ezio being just as physically capable at 52 as at 19. They have enhanced strength, endurance, and longevity.

[[WMG:We will see Altair die onscreen at the end of his final seal memory]] He isn't even protected by the whole GeneticMemory angle now, and if [[{{Novelisation}} The Secret Crusade]] is anything to go by [[spoiler: Altair is killed with much of the Assassin Order during the massive Mongol siege in 1257]].
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[[WMG:We will see Altair Alta´r die onscreen at the end of his final seal memory]] He isn't even protected by the whole GeneticMemory angle now, and if [[{{Novelisation}} The Secret Crusade]] is anything to go by [[spoiler: Altair Alta´r is killed with much of the Assassin Order during the massive Mongol siege in 1257]].

[[WMG:Altair is still alive in 1512 and Ezio will encounter him]]
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[[WMG:Altair [[WMG:Alta´r is still alive in 1512 and Ezio will encounter him]]

Altair ''is'' the superweapon hidden under Masyaf. * As an extension: Altair is a rotten corpse when Ezio finds him, because the Apple made Altair mad and think he could survive being locked in that room for several centuries.
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Altair Alta´r ''is'' the superweapon hidden under Masyaf. * As an extension: Altair Alta´r is a rotten corpse when Ezio finds him, because the Apple made Altair Alta´r mad and think he could survive being locked in that room for several centuries.

And that's how he's seeing the shadow of Altair. Those seals he's collecting? Early forms of an Animus.
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And that's how he's seeing the shadow of Altair.Alta´r . Those seals he's collecting? Early forms of an Animus.

** {{Jossed}} (maybe?) as the writer of Revelations Darby [=McDevitt=] in an interview that Altair and Ezio are from different sides of Desmond's family tree, so Ezio wouldn't have Altair's {{genetic memory}}. [[WMG: At the very end, Altair, Ezio, and Desmond will interact directly.]]
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** {{Jossed}} (maybe?) as the writer of Revelations Darby [=McDevitt=] in an interview that Altair Alta´r and Ezio are from different sides of Desmond's family tree, so Ezio wouldn't have Altair's Alta´r's {{genetic memory}}. [[WMG: At the very end, Altair, Alta´r, Ezio, and Desmond will interact directly.]]

Due to the ever worsening Bleeding Effect, Desmond will briefly think he ''is'' Ezio. Conversely, Ezio will suffer the same thing, but with Altair. [[MindScrew Or maybe both]].
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Due to the ever worsening Bleeding Effect, Desmond will briefly think he ''is'' Ezio. Conversely, Ezio will suffer the same thing, but with Altair.Alta´r. [[MindScrew Or maybe both]].

*** Not Muslim. Assassins are atheists - religion isn't quite compatible with the "nothing is true" mantra. They oppose both Muslim and Christian armies in the Holy land.
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*** Not Muslim. Assassins are atheists - -- religion isn't quite compatible with the "nothing is true" mantra. They oppose both Muslim and Christian armies in the Holy land.

* As a note, Ezio has met Assassins who are Christian (see at least one unconventional nun in the Second Game). Altair is an atheist as of his writings but Ezio, himself, never expresses any religious preference whatsoever and can build a church in his home town. [[WMG: [=WMGs=] on the moment that connects Altair, Ezio and Desmond...]] * Losing a woman they loved. Ezio lost Cristina, Altair lost Adha and possibly outlived Maria and [[spoiler: Desmond was forced to stab Lucy, who he clearly had feelings for.]]
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* As a note, Ezio has met Assassins who are Christian (see at least one unconventional nun in the Second Game). Altair Alta´r is an atheist as of his writings but Ezio, himself, never expresses any religious preference whatsoever and can build a church in his home town. [[WMG: [=WMGs=] on the moment that connects Altair, Ezio Alta´r, Ezio, and Desmond...]] * Losing a woman they loved. Ezio lost Cristina, Altair Alta´r lost Adha and possibly outlived Maria and [[spoiler: Desmond was forced to stab Lucy, who he clearly had feelings for.]]

* The game shows that the moment is when [[spoiler:both Ezio and Desmond view Altair's final memory]].
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* The game shows that the moment is when [[spoiler:both Ezio and Desmond view Altair's Alta´r's final memory]].

In the ACII ending three 'gods' are mentioned; Minerva, Juno and Jupiter. Minerva and Juno have each appeared in a game so far, and the three of them together form the Capitoline Triad of Roman gods, so it would fill out the symmetry nicely.
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In the ACII ending three 'gods' are mentioned; Minerva, Juno Juno, and Jupiter. Minerva and Juno have each appeared in a game so far, and the three of them together form the Capitoline Triad of Roman gods, so it would fill out the symmetry nicely.

[[WMG: Desmond, Ezio, and Altair will be brought together by "One Who Came Before" or a Piece of Eden.]]
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[[WMG: Desmond, Ezio, and Altair Alta´r will be brought together by "One Who Came Before" or a Piece of Eden.]]

* Confirmed, sorta: [[spoiler: The Piece of Eden from the first game activates when Ezio and Altair's corpse are in the library beneath Masyaf, and Ezio is alerted to Desmond's spectral presence by the recurrance of Desmond's name in his mind. Ezio even has time to speak to Desmond (and can see him at the very end) before the nexus kicks in, triggering Jupiter's message.]] [[WMG: The moment that connects Altair, Ezio, and Desmond is a thing: the Apple.]] As far as we know, the last three people to interact with the Apple are the protagonists. Maybe that wouldn't have meant anything had it just been Altair, Ezio, and someone else, but ''Desmond'' is the link between the two, and his presence makes that significant.
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* Confirmed, sorta: [[spoiler: The Piece of Eden from the first game activates when Ezio and Altair's Alta´r's corpse are in the library beneath Masyaf, and Ezio is alerted to Desmond's spectral presence by the recurrance of Desmond's name in his mind. Ezio even has time to speak to Desmond (and can see him at the very end) before the nexus kicks in, triggering Jupiter's message.]] [[WMG: The moment that connects Altair, Alta´r, Ezio, and Desmond is a thing: the Apple.]] As far as we know, the last three people to interact with the Apple are the protagonists. Maybe that wouldn't have meant anything had it just been Altair, Alta´r, Ezio, and someone else, but ''Desmond'' is the link between the two, and his presence makes that significant.

[[WMG: Altair and Ezio are alive because the Apple of Eden bestows immortality, though doesn't affect again.]] Tying further back into the above [=WMGs=], Altair and Ezio are alive and still secretly running the Assassins. They either work above, with, or actually are William. This is why Cesare kept screaming about how he could not die, because he knew that is what the Apple does. Which means that Rodrigo and Al Mualim are still alive too.
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[[WMG: Altair Alta´r and Ezio are alive because the Apple of Eden bestows immortality, though doesn't affect again.]] Tying further back into the above [=WMGs=], Altair Alta´r and Ezio are alive and still secretly running the Assassins. They either work above, with, or actually are William. This is why Cesare kept screaming about how he could not die, because he knew that is what the Apple does. Which means that Rodrigo and Al Mualim are still alive too.

** Jossed: [[spoiler: Altair's corpse makes an appearance in Ezio's time, and [[TearJerker we have to play through Altair's final memories]]. Also, Ember ends with Ezio's death.]]
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** Jossed: [[spoiler: Altair's Alta´r's corpse makes an appearance in Ezio's time, and [[TearJerker we have to play through Altair's Alta´r's final memories]]. Also, Ember ends with Ezio's death.]]

In that it features Shao Jun, a young Assassin with a very similar wardrobe to Altair, Ezio and Desmond (down to the [[http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111021091507/assassinscreed/images/thumb/9/9a/Embers_ShotBreakdown_01.png/830px-Embers_ShotBreakdown_01.png pointed "eagle's" hood]], something none of the other named Assassins in pretty much any game possess), and a mission that seems awfully similar to the plot of an ''Assassin's Creed'' game (taking down the corrupt emperor and the Templars behind him). She's young, but has a good reason to be leading the Assassins in China (the fact they were driven out by Jiajing), allowing the developers to keep the "Brotherhood" mechanic in place. Add to this that a few scenes in ''Embers'' imply she has free-running skills (she got to the roof of Ezio's villa without much trouble) and maybe even Eagle Vision (there's a pretty superfluous scene of her staring at something in Florence) and maybe we're looking at our next Assassin.
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In that it features Shao Jun, a young Assassin with a very similar wardrobe to Altair, Ezio Alta´r, Ezio, and Desmond (down to the [[http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111021091507/assassinscreed/images/thumb/9/9a/Embers_ShotBreakdown_01.png/830px-Embers_ShotBreakdown_01.png pointed "eagle's" hood]], something none of the other named Assassins in pretty much any game possess), and a mission that seems awfully similar to the plot of an ''Assassin's Creed'' game (taking down the corrupt emperor and the Templars behind him). She's young, but has a good reason to be leading the Assassins in China (the fact they were driven out by Jiajing), allowing the developers to keep the "Brotherhood" mechanic in place. Add to this that a few scenes in ''Embers'' imply she has free-running skills (she got to the roof of Ezio's villa without much trouble) and maybe even Eagle Vision (there's a pretty superfluous scene of her staring at something in Florence) and maybe we're looking at our next Assassin.

*** Would not a relation in the other direction (that is, that Shao Jun is an ancestor of Desmond, rather than a relative of Ezio or Altair) be more likely, given the mechanics of the Animus? They do have quite a number of centuries to work in for merging the lines...
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*** Would not a relation in the other direction (that is, that Shao Jun is an ancestor of Desmond, rather than a relative of Ezio or Altair) Alta´r) be more likely, given the mechanics of the Animus? They do have quite a number of centuries to work in for merging the lines...

Let's look at the track record of his ancestors so far. Altair died in a chair and Ezio died on a bench. I would wager decent money Chairs, benches, and other sitting implements are actually all Templar agents.
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Let's look at the track record of his ancestors so far. Altair Alta´r died in a chair and Ezio died on a bench. I would wager decent money Chairs, chairs, benches, and other sitting implements are actually all Templar agents.
15th Sep '13 4:36:25 PM LeChevalierDupin
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This is already on the page for the entire series; it needn't be on all the others.
[[WMG: The Apples will be used to save the world in a different way than the first attempt.]] Juno mentioned that, as a special property of the Apples power, and i paraphrase: "If a hundred people sat enthralled then they may make a wall disappear if they will it away." In the end, the first civilization sent the apples into space after using it to control people, hoping to "enthrall" everyone. What if instead of trying to enthrall people all at once (the space sending example) then saying the necessary words, you could use the special property or power of the apple spread it slowly. You create a religion so to speak. After this is done, keep the apple with you and use faith or the special reality warping property of the apple to will the disaster away. * Further, i guess someone wanted the human/precursor hybrids dead for their immunity to the eden artifacts. * further, oh look, no need to free juno.
31st Jul '13 7:21:53 PM Krashlia
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[[WMG: The Apples will be used to save the world in a different way than the first attempt.]] Juno mentioned that, as a special property of the Apples power, and i paraphrase: "If a hundred people sat enthralled then they may make a wall disappear if they will it away." In the end, the first civilization sent the apples into space after using it to control people, hoping to "enthrall" everyone. What if instead of trying to enthrall people all at once (the space sending example) then saying the necessary words, you could use the special property or power of the apple spread it slowly. You create a religion so to speak. After this is done, keep the apple with you and use faith or the special reality warping property of the apple to will the disaster away. * Further, i guess someone wanted the human/precursor hybrids dead for their immunity to the eden artifacts. * further, oh look, no need to free juno.
8th Oct '12 4:38:37 PM Chamelion
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* I'm not sure about the vault part, but my WMG regarding the methods of salvation actually do with the pieces of Eden - we already know about three: the Apple(s), the Staff, and the Shroud. Granted, we only know about what functions the Apple seems to give off, as well as a brief glimpse on what the Staff might do, which, assuming, has different functions as the Apple had done. So how much of a stretch could it be that the methods of salvation have to do with (or are) the pieces of Eden?
24th Sep '12 7:44:22 AM Redazrael
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** No, he actually is pretty crazy, it's just that he doesn't adhere to the InsaneEqualsViolent trope. He's definitely not evil, though. An argument ''could'' be made for 'incomplete', since he doesn't remember committing suicide (he uploaded his mind before that, obviously) but beyond that, yes, he has all of his memories and personality.
1st Jul '12 8:11:01 PM surgoshan
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* In fact Ezio's weapons get damaged fighting an army by himself, and his armor gets damaged when he gets dragged behind galloping horses for a few miles.

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* Jossed: We play as Alta´r at various stages of his life. We see one of his sons, but not the son from whom Desmond is descended.


* So long as they didn't contract disease or a sudden case of steel poisoning, there wasn't really any reason our ancestors couldn't live roughly as long as we do. The reasons for increased longevity these days are mostly do to superior nutrition (available to limited segments of the population in the middle ages) and better cures for disease (which can be avoided by reasonably clean living). The only certain killer is age itself. As for Ezio being a {{Badass}} at fifty... yeah, that could be down to TWCB. That, or RuleOfCool.

* Jossed. The entire plot of the game was for Desmond to piece together his original personality.
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* Jossed. The entire plot of the game was for Desmond to finish Ezio's story and to piece together his original personality.

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* Confirmed. The program you pieced together in Brotherhood was Subject 16, an AI of himself, and he explains what Desmond needs to do to free himself from the Animus and avoid deletion.

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** Although the player has some incentive to do it, because he shows up as a target on the minimap that ''never goes away''. Although, you have the option of [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential killing him over and over and over in different ways]] rather than beating him up.

** His body's "worm food now," making any such pretensions futile, and he knows it -- so in the end [[spoiler:he seems to sacrifice himself to save Desmond when the Animus starts deleting the entire Animus Island, by "tossing" Desmond into the Ezio partition of Desmond's collective memories]].
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** * His body's "worm food now," making any such pretensions futile, and he knows it -- so in the end [[spoiler:he seems to sacrifice himself to save Desmond when the Animus starts deleting the entire Animus Island, by "tossing" Desmond into the Ezio partition of Desmond's collective memories]]. * The earliest portions of the game hint at a possible GrandTheftMe, and at one point 16 even asks for Desmond's help in doing that. But Desmond immediately shoots it down and 16 accepts that with good grace (SecretTestOfCharacter?), and eventually performs a HeroicSacrifice to save Desmond from deletion by the Animus. So Jossed and Confirmed, maybe.

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He even has the beard for it.

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* He may be a KnightInSourArmor (what with being dead and knowing it), but he's not insane, incomplete, or evil in any way. Kind of surprising, really.
30th Jun '12 7:26:59 PM Mullon
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[[WMG:Alta´r's storyline in ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRevelations'' will be used to justify BagOfSpilling.]] The game will begin with Ezio [[ATasteOfPower having all his equipment and skills from Brotherhood intact]]. When we eventually control Alta´r, he will start off with only the weapons he had on him at the end of the first game (or ''Bloodlines'', but I haven't played it). Over time, he will slowly gain the weapons and skills that Ezio currently has, possibly showing the events that lead to him looking into the Apple of Eden and developing the Hidden Gun, the current version of the Hidden Blade, and other weapons. We will eventually switch back to Ezio some time after Alta´r gains all of Ezio's current skills and weapons in his storyline. * Jossed according to the information currently released. The game will mainly follow Ezio, but will be able to take a look at Alta´r's life through special seals. [[WMG:In ''Revelations'', we will play as Alta´r's son, not Alta´r himself.]] Desmond has already witnessed the said son's conception in ''Assassin's Creed II''. * Related: Alta´r's son will also be named Alta´r so we will be playing as "Alta´r", just not the one we're familiar with. * Possibly jossed. As mentioned above, special seals will allow Ezio to peer into Alta´r's life.

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[[WMG:Locations of Minerva's Temples.]] Let's hear some guesses! * Rome, New York, for obvious reasons having to do with the Da Vinci Disappearance. * Mystery Hill, Salem, New Hampshire, because it is an inexplicably old archaeological site not matching anything that the native groups built in the area at the ethnographic present. That site, and others like it around New England, while obviously man-made, have the native tribes of New England just as perplexed as the archaeologists. [[WMG:More on Lucy as a Templar spy...]] She is one, but not in the way most people would think. When this troper played through ''Revelations'', specifically the part where Shaun suggested to Bill that Desmond may have been programmed by the Templars, it got the troper thinking. Perhaps Lucy was somehow programmed at some point in her life just after she became an Assassin (most likely during her undercover stint as an Abstergo employee in the first game). That could be what Juno meant when she said "the Cross darkens the horizon" regarding Lucy. [[WMG: The Six Vaults and their methods of Salvation]] Jupiter stated that there were six vaults built, along with a main vault. He also stated that each vault was devoted to a different method of salvation. So what sorts of salvation methods do you think there were? * I think one of the vaults might be a gene bank of some kind. It wasn't designed to shelter any people, but rather to store genetic information of members of the First Civilisation so that they could be resurrected following the disaster and help rebuild the society faster than they otherwise would. The First Civilisation created humanity from scratch, so that requires some fantastic genetic knowledge. Therefore it's definitely possible that they could have a gene bank containing hundreds, if not thousands, of individual First Civilisation genomes. Think of the sheer amount of information stored in the titular ship in TitanAE, but probably more. Whether or not they've survived the 750 or so centuries since the disaster is uncertain. [[WMG:Lucy was working for Those Who Came Before.]] While her reasons for the staged escape were good ones, her plan did have the minor flaw of giving the Assassins a shitload of vital information, something the Templars would be VERY hesitant to do. The truth is, she didn't care, because her real goal is to locate the Pieces of Eden so Those Who Came Before (or their successors) can snatch them all up. Why do they want them? Because they're planning to retake Earth, and they don't want the humans figuring out a defense against the Pieces of Eden. Now that Lucy's dead, other agents (currently posing as Templars) will try to recapture Desmond. Aside from giving them access to Desmond's memories again, this will provoke the Assassins into an all-out attack on Abstergo, which will inflict heavy casualties on both sides. The only way to win is for the Assassins and Templars to ally. The Assassins have the genes that make them resistant to the Pieces of Eden, but only the Templars have the resources and familiarity with the pieces themselves to develop a true defense. Oh, and that satellite launch? Yeah, that's just how the TWCB are snatching up the PoEs. They get the Templars to launch them into space, then the rocket explodes. The Templars assume it's Assassin sabotage, and the TWCB get the PoEs.
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