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16th May '16 1:27:33 PM LadyEvil
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While it doesn't excuse Napoleon's treachery and cruelties, he and his fellow pigs always did have the most to lose under Farmer Jones (or even a [[Charlotte'sWeb Homer Zuckerman]]), that is: while other animals did have to sacrifice their eggs, milk, etc, or efforts in pulling, plowing, a pig can ultimately give up only one thing -- its life, for bacon, ham, sausages, soup bones, etc. The pigs actually bury the hams found hanging in the smokehouse. If nothing else, they would obviously support any system that would guarantee they would never be routinely slaughtered again. Pigs are naturally rather intelligent animals, so reading, inventing, etc, would come more naturally to them, and their trotters would be nimble enough for various tasks, so their leadership role would be somewhat natural. The tragedy is that Napoleon just pushed this much too far, at the expense of all the other farm animals, no doubt with the attitude "They've got their lives, what more do they want?" In the end, they simply shut out the sufferings of their fellows in order to survive and thrive, not unlike most men.

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While it doesn't excuse Napoleon's treachery and cruelties, he and his fellow pigs always did have the most to lose under Farmer Jones (or even a [[Charlotte'sWeb [[CharlottesWeb Homer Zuckerman]]), that is: while other animals did have to sacrifice their eggs, milk, etc, or efforts in pulling, plowing, a pig can ultimately give up only one thing -- its life, for bacon, ham, sausages, soup bones, etc. The pigs actually bury the hams found hanging in the smokehouse. If nothing else, they would obviously support any system that would guarantee they would never be routinely slaughtered again. Pigs are naturally rather intelligent animals, so reading, inventing, etc, would come more naturally to them, and their trotters would be nimble enough for various tasks, so their leadership role would be somewhat natural. The tragedy is that Napoleon just pushed this much too far, at the expense of all the other farm animals, no doubt with the attitude "They've got their lives, what more do they want?" In the end, they simply shut out the sufferings of their fellows in order to survive and thrive, not unlike most men.
16th May '16 1:26:49 PM LadyEvil
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While it doesn't excuse Napoleon's treachery and cruelties, he and his fellow pigs always did have the most to lose under Farmer Jones (or even a Homer Zuckerman), that is: while other animals did have to sacrifice their eggs, milk, etc, or efforts in pulling, plowing, a pig can ultimately give up only one thing -- its life, for bacon, ham, sausages, soup bones, etc. The pigs actually bury the hams found hanging in the smokehouse. If nothing else, they would obviously support any system that would guarantee they would never be routinely slaughtered again. Pigs are naturally rather intelligent animals, so reading, inventing, etc, would come more naturally to them, and their trotters would be nimble enough for various tasks, so their leadership role would be somewhat natural. The tragedy is that Napoleon just pushed this much too far, at the expense of all the other farm animals, no doubt with the attitude "They've got their lives, what more do they want?" In the end, they simply shut out the sufferings of their fellows in order to survive and thrive, not unlike most men.

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While it doesn't excuse Napoleon's treachery and cruelties, he and his fellow pigs always did have the most to lose under Farmer Jones (or even a [[Charlotte'sWeb Homer Zuckerman), Zuckerman]]), that is: while other animals did have to sacrifice their eggs, milk, etc, or efforts in pulling, plowing, a pig can ultimately give up only one thing -- its life, for bacon, ham, sausages, soup bones, etc. The pigs actually bury the hams found hanging in the smokehouse. If nothing else, they would obviously support any system that would guarantee they would never be routinely slaughtered again. Pigs are naturally rather intelligent animals, so reading, inventing, etc, would come more naturally to them, and their trotters would be nimble enough for various tasks, so their leadership role would be somewhat natural. The tragedy is that Napoleon just pushed this much too far, at the expense of all the other farm animals, no doubt with the attitude "They've got their lives, what more do they want?" In the end, they simply shut out the sufferings of their fellows in order to survive and thrive, not unlike most men.
21st Apr '16 1:30:33 AM Doug86
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* Most people have [[WhyWereBummedCommunismFell mixed feelings about the end of the Cold War]]. A lot of people think the death of Communism in Eastern Europe is a good thing, but Orwell would have imagined that one elite was simply being replaced by another. In Russia, communism was replaced by the Russian oligarchs, many of whom were former Russian bureaucrats. It wouldn't be hard to write a pig based of Yeltsin: alcohol is what drove Napoleon further down the rabbit hole, and Yeltsin was a notorious drinker. So if Napoleon's regime were to collapse, it would be replaced by a pig who acted completely drunk, and while it would less brutal than Napoleon, he would anger the animals by destroying machinery with his incompetence.

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* Most people have [[WhyWereBummedCommunismFell [[WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell mixed feelings about the end of the Cold War]]. A lot of people think the death of Communism in Eastern Europe is a good thing, but Orwell would have imagined that one elite was simply being replaced by another. In Russia, communism was replaced by the Russian oligarchs, many of whom were former Russian bureaucrats. It wouldn't be hard to write a pig based of Yeltsin: alcohol is what drove Napoleon further down the rabbit hole, and Yeltsin was a notorious drinker. So if Napoleon's regime were to collapse, it would be replaced by a pig who acted completely drunk, and while it would less brutal than Napoleon, he would anger the animals by destroying machinery with his incompetence.
21st Apr '16 12:59:58 AM Doug86
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* Most people have [[WhyWereBummedThatCommunismFell mixed feelings about the end of the Cold War]]. A lot of people think the death of Communism in Eastern Europe is a good thing, but Orwell would have imagined that one elite was simply being replaced by another. In Russia, communism was replaced by the Russian oligarchs, many of whom were former Russian bureaucrats. It wouldn't be hard to write a pig based of Yeltsin: alcohol is what drove Napoleon further down the rabbit hole, and Yeltsin was a notorious drinker. So if Napoleon's regime were to collapse, it would be replaced by a pig who acted completely drunk, and while it would less brutal than Napoleon, he would anger the animals by destroying machinery with his incompetence.

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* Most people have [[WhyWereBummedThatCommunismFell [[WhyWereBummedCommunismFell mixed feelings about the end of the Cold War]]. A lot of people think the death of Communism in Eastern Europe is a good thing, but Orwell would have imagined that one elite was simply being replaced by another. In Russia, communism was replaced by the Russian oligarchs, many of whom were former Russian bureaucrats. It wouldn't be hard to write a pig based of Yeltsin: alcohol is what drove Napoleon further down the rabbit hole, and Yeltsin was a notorious drinker. So if Napoleon's regime were to collapse, it would be replaced by a pig who acted completely drunk, and while it would less brutal than Napoleon, he would anger the animals by destroying machinery with his incompetence.
21st Apr '16 12:55:40 AM Doug86
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At last, the link between AnimalFarm and AnimalHouse!

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At last, the link between AnimalFarm Literature/AnimalFarm and AnimalHouse! Film/AnimalHouse!
16th Dec '15 4:39:20 PM redandready45
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[[WMG: If anyone adapts Animal Farm today, he would have wrote a pig based of Yeltsin]]
* Most people have [[WhyWereBummedThatCommunismFell mixed feelings about the end of the Cold War]]. A lot of people think the death of Communism in Eastern Europe is a good thing, but Orwell would have imagined that one elite was simply being replaced by another. In Russia, communism was replaced by the Russian oligarchs, many of whom were former Russian bureaucrats. It wouldn't be hard to write a pig based of Yeltsin: alcohol is what drove Napoleon further down the rabbit hole, and Yeltsin was a notorious drinker. So if Napoleon's regime were to collapse, it would be replaced by a pig who acted completely drunk, and while it would less brutal than Napoleon, he would anger the animals by destroying machinery with his incompetence.
20th Jul '15 7:51:06 AM ScroogeMacDuck
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** Well before the middle ages Czars used to be nobodies.

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** Well before the middle ages Middle Ages the ancestors of the Czars used to be nobodies.
* The 1955 animated adaptation somewhat includes the idea of an eternal cycle, as the animals rebel once more against the new humans; and the credits begin as we see the new army of animals, looking disturbingly like the one, commanded by Snowball, that attacked Jones at the beginning. The difference is that the army is lead by Benjamin the Donkey now.


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** In the 1955 animated adaptation, after seeing the pigs behaving like humans, make the animals revolt again.
26th Apr '15 5:08:02 AM Bloodly
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** Certainly adds a new spin to the phrasing 'Proles and animals are free' encountered in the book. Could he...be deliberately trying to kill humanity off?

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** Certainly adds a new spin to the phrasing 'Proles and animals are free' encountered in the book.1984. Could he...be deliberately trying to kill humanity off?
26th Apr '15 5:05:38 AM Bloodly
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**Certainly adds a new spin to the phrasing 'Proles and animals are free' encountered in the book. Could he...be deliberately trying to kill humanity off?
13th Mar '15 12:18:40 PM Starshock
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** This makes even more sense because we never actually see Big Brother.
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