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[[spoiler: Everybody says that 'nobody will expect the new Supreme' but so far everyone is expecting it to be one of the main ''female'' characters, even including [[CoolOldLady Myrtle]]. The Supreme being a male character would definitely be unexpected, and it's not like this season didn't show us that RM isn't above using ShockingSwerve endings to storylines.]]
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[[spoiler: Everybody says that 'nobody will expect the new Supreme' but so far everyone is expecting it to be one of the main ''female'' characters, even including [[CoolOldLady Myrtle]]. The Supreme being a male character would definitely be unexpected, and it's not like this season didn't show us that RM isn't above using ShockingSwerve endings {{Twist Ending}}s to storylines.]]
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Quentain and Bartholomew are just token {{Muggles}} who serve on the Witches' council, possibly as an impartial voice to settle desputes and/or provide a DevilsAdvocate perspective when dealing with threats from the ouside world. Men are chosen just to make sure a witch from a rival coven doesn't try and sneak in. Myrtle speculates on the existence of warlocks, but may have never actually met one. They also may be related to Spalding's family, who aren't witches, but have ties to the Coven. This is why Cecily is reffered to as a "sister witch" while Quentin is a "colleague".
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Quentain and Bartholomew are just token {{Muggles}} who serve on the Witches' council, possibly as an impartial voice to settle desputes and/or provide a DevilsAdvocate perspective when dealing with threats from the ouside world. Men are chosen just to make sure a witch from a rival coven doesn't try and sneak in. Myrtle speculates on the existence of warlocks, but may have never actually met one. They also may be related to Spalding's family, who aren't witches, but have ties to the Coven. This is why Cecily is reffered to as a "sister witch" while Quentin is a "colleague"."colleague".
* Jossed in ''Apocalypse''. They even had their own school.
* Jossed in ''Apocalypse''. They even had their own school.
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** *spooky voice* Then who is the next supreme? DUN DUN DUN! I'd go with Zoe because she is the main character and if she's not the next supreme, then why is she even in this story? But there's always Misty May. After all, we know zombies are a major part of this and Misty is a necromancer...
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** *spooky voice* Then who is the next supreme? DUN DUN DUN! I'd go with Zoe because she is the main character and if she's not the next supreme, then why is she even in this story? But there's always Misty May.Day. After all, we know zombies are a major part of this and Misty is a necromancer...
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Considering most of the witches can perform more than one of the seven wonders it's likely that they are performed to find a well rounded leader. Anyone who fails is thus proven not to be a right fit. For instance Misty being unable to escape her personal Hell proves that she is too soft/unable to have the sort of grit it would take to lead a coven. And Madison failing divination proved she was unable to see beyond herself and therefore couldn't make a good leader.
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Considering most of the witches can perform more than one of the seven wonders it's likely that they are performed to find a well rounded leader. Anyone who fails is thus proven not to be a right fit. For instance Misty being unable to escape her personal Hell proves that she is too soft/unable to have the sort of grit it would take to lead a coven. And Madison failing divination proved she was unable to see beyond herself and therefore couldn't make a good leader.leader.
[[WMG: There are no Warlocks.]]
Quentain and Bartholomew are just token {{Muggles}} who serve on the Witches' council, possibly as an impartial voice to settle desputes and/or provide a DevilsAdvocate perspective when dealing with threats from the ouside world. Men are chosen just to make sure a witch from a rival coven doesn't try and sneak in. Myrtle speculates on the existence of warlocks, but may have never actually met one. They also may be related to Spalding's family, who aren't witches, but have ties to the Coven. This is why Cecily is reffered to as a "sister witch" while Quentin is a "colleague".
[[WMG: There are no Warlocks.]]
Quentain and Bartholomew are just token {{Muggles}} who serve on the Witches' council, possibly as an impartial voice to settle desputes and/or provide a DevilsAdvocate perspective when dealing with threats from the ouside world. Men are chosen just to make sure a witch from a rival coven doesn't try and sneak in. Myrtle speculates on the existence of warlocks, but may have never actually met one. They also may be related to Spalding's family, who aren't witches, but have ties to the Coven. This is why Cecily is reffered to as a "sister witch" while Quentin is a "colleague".
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** The witches who trap and kill the Axe Man openly identify as Suffragists who think it's unjust women live in fear. It's played for scares, but seen as necessary.
[WMG: Madison is a direct descendant of Charles Montgomery from season 1.]]
[WMG: Madison is a direct descendant of Charles Montgomery from season 1.]]
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**** Both Nan and Marie, two very different witches from very different backgrounds, take swift and brutal vengeance on women who abuse men. Also, Fiona's cynical declaration that Witches are innately better than non-witches doesn't sit well with Zoe, who coddles Kyle.
** The witches who trap and kill the Axe Man openly identify as Suffragists who think it's unjust for women and the men in their lives to live in fear. It's played for scares, butseen as necessary.
[WMG:seems ideologically justified within the context of the story.
[[WMG: Madison is a direct descendant of Charles Montgomery from season 1.]]
** The witches who trap and kill the Axe Man openly identify as Suffragists who think it's unjust for women and the men in their lives to live in fear. It's played for scares, but
[WMG:
[[WMG: Madison is a direct descendant of Charles Montgomery from season 1.]]
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[[WMG: Madison is a direct descendant of Charles Montgomery from season 1.]]
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[WMG: Madison is a direct descendant of Charles Montgomery from season 1.]]
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[[WMG: The Seven Wonders isn't actually to determine who is the strongest witch thus making them the Supreme but rather who is most suited to be a leader.]]
Considering most of the witches can perform more than one of the seven wonders it's likely that they are performed to find a well rounded leader. Anyone who fails is thus proven not to be a right fit. For instance Misty being unable to escape her personal Hell proves that she is too soft/unable to have the sort of grit it would take to lead a coven. And Madison failing divination proved she was unable to see beyond herself and therefore couldn't make a good leader.
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*** Cordelia never stated that nor did she imply such a thing. Considering there is only one warlock ever seen in the show it's very likely that there are warlocks but very few compared to witches.
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*** Cordelia never stated that nor did she imply such a thing. Considering there is only one warlock ever seen in the show it's very likely that there are warlocks but very few compared to witches. \n Aside from that due to the murkiness of the rules of the universe it's not really stated if witch refers to only women with powers exclusively or can refer to anyone with powers and there just happens to be a larger female demographic.
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*** Cordelia never stated that nor did she imply such a thing. Considering there is only one warlock ever seen in the show it's very likely that there are warlocks but very few compared to witches.
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** Not really, since she only concerned herself with witches, ie women. Warlocks are still kept secret and hidden, like it's a shame, which makes the point that even an idealized feminism is still about helping women at the expense of men.
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** Not really, since she only concerned herself with witches, ie women. Warlocks are still kept secret and hidden, like it's a shame, which makes the point that even an idealized feminism is still about helping women at the expense of men.men.
[[WMG: Madison is a direct descendant of Charles Montgomery from season 1.]]
Or maybe a great-great niece, or some other relation, because why not? It would be a nice way to tie "Murder House" and "Coven" together in the same manner as "Freak Show" and "Asylum".
[[WMG: Madison is a direct descendant of Charles Montgomery from season 1.]]
Or maybe a great-great niece, or some other relation, because why not? It would be a nice way to tie "Murder House" and "Coven" together in the same manner as "Freak Show" and "Asylum".
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Lastly, Cordelia represents an idealized feminism, where they are not kept secret and have allied themselves with the rest of the world. They opened themselves up and got much in return. And she leads with kindness and love, rather than wrath and force. Sure, there could be problems down the line. But in the long run, she made everything better for the entire world.
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Lastly, Cordelia represents an idealized feminism, where they are not kept secret and have allied themselves with the rest of the world. They opened themselves up and got much in return. And she leads with kindness and love, rather than wrath and force. Sure, there could be problems down the line. But in the long run, she made everything better for the entire world.world.
** Not really, since she only concerned herself with witches, ie women. Warlocks are still kept secret and hidden, like it's a shame, which makes the point that even an idealized feminism is still about helping women at the expense of men.
** Not really, since she only concerned herself with witches, ie women. Warlocks are still kept secret and hidden, like it's a shame, which makes the point that even an idealized feminism is still about helping women at the expense of men.
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Notice how, after she wishes Misty (and later, her and the rest of the girls) good luck, something majorly bad happened to Misty? Stevie Nicks is also a friend of Fiona. She's using her powers to help kill off the coven for her ally.
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Notice how, after she wishes Misty (and later, her and the rest of the girls) good luck, something majorly bad happened to Misty? Stevie Nicks is also a friend of Fiona. She's using her powers to help kill off the coven for her ally.ally.
[[WMG: The season is a scathing critique on modern feminism.]]
The witches are divided against each other, reflecting feminist views (like misandrists, Trans-Exclusives, radicals, and other variations.) The (mostly male) witch hunters represent people who are against feminism - some have good reasons for opposing them, like the fact that many pose a danger and shouldn't have so much power when they abuse it; others are just hateful and intolerant. The inherit issue with Fiona being Supreme is to show what modern-day womens' rights are when under a leader who is out of touch with society, and cares more about what she wants that what's actually good for her followers.
Lastly, Cordelia represents an idealized feminism, where they are not kept secret and have allied themselves with the rest of the world. They opened themselves up and got much in return. And she leads with kindness and love, rather than wrath and force. Sure, there could be problems down the line. But in the long run, she made everything better for the entire world.
[[WMG: The season is a scathing critique on modern feminism.]]
The witches are divided against each other, reflecting feminist views (like misandrists, Trans-Exclusives, radicals, and other variations.) The (mostly male) witch hunters represent people who are against feminism - some have good reasons for opposing them, like the fact that many pose a danger and shouldn't have so much power when they abuse it; others are just hateful and intolerant. The inherit issue with Fiona being Supreme is to show what modern-day womens' rights are when under a leader who is out of touch with society, and cares more about what she wants that what's actually good for her followers.
Lastly, Cordelia represents an idealized feminism, where they are not kept secret and have allied themselves with the rest of the world. They opened themselves up and got much in return. And she leads with kindness and love, rather than wrath and force. Sure, there could be problems down the line. But in the long run, she made everything better for the entire world.
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** This Troper's boyfriend actually thought that Hank ''was'' being played by Dylan [=McDermott=] the first time he saw him, and the resemblance ''is'' pretty strong. Plus, many of the characters somehow reference their actors' earlier roles within the show, and since Ben was having an affair and Johnny was [[spoiler:a fanatical serial murderer of women]], an adulterous [[spoiler:witch-hunter]] would have been an obvious next place to go with [=McDermott=]. I can't help but feel that the resemblance to [=McDermott=] was deliberately played up, even if he was never really expected to play the role.
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** This Troper's boyfriend actually thought that Hank ''was'' being played by Dylan [=McDermott=] the first time he saw him, and the resemblance ''is'' pretty strong. Plus, many of the characters somehow reference their actors' earlier roles within the show, and since Ben was having an affair and Johnny was [[spoiler:a fanatical serial murderer of women]], an adulterous [[spoiler:witch-hunter]] would have been an obvious next place to go with [=McDermott=]. I can't help but feel that the resemblance to [=McDermott=] was deliberately played up, even if he was never really expected to play the role.
role himself.
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** This Troper's boyfriend actually thought that Hank ''was'' being played by Dylan [=McDermott=] the first time he saw him, and the resemblance ''is'' pretty strong. Plus, many of the characters somehow reference their actors' earlier roles within the show, and since Ben was having an affair and Johnny was [[spoiler:a fanatical serial murderer of women]], an adulterous [[spoiler:witch-hunter]] would have been an obvious next place to go with [=McDermott=]. I can't help but feel that the resemblance to [=McDermott=] was deliberately played up, even if he was never really expected to play the role.
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The tests normally go from easiest, to deadliest. Considering Divination came near-last and the worst Vitalum Vitalis seems to be is that you can't perform it, possibly trapping a person's soul with Descensum seems like something that would be reserved for the finals. My guess is, she was hoping to kill off Madison as fast as possible, due to her being a threat to the other witches' safety, and for that stunt with Kyle. If she succeeded, then they could do the rest of the competition without her. If not, at least they would be through another Wonder. If another witch died, it was a loss that would have probably been inevitable should they have reached the point where they had to perform Descensum again.
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The tests normally go from easiest, to deadliest. Considering Divination came near-last and the worst Vitalum Vitalis seems to be is that you can't perform it, possibly trapping a person's soul with Descensum seems like something that would be reserved for the finals. My guess is, she was hoping to kill off Madison as fast as possible, due to her being a threat to the other witches' safety, and for that stunt with Kyle. If she succeeded, then they could do the rest of the competition without her. If not, at least they would be through another Wonder. If another witch died, it was a loss that would have probably been inevitable should they have reached the point where they had to perform Descensum again.again.
[[WMG: Stevie Nicks has the power to curse people with bad luck.]]
Notice how, after she wishes Misty (and later, her and the rest of the girls) good luck, something majorly bad happened to Misty? Stevie Nicks is also a friend of Fiona. She's using her powers to help kill off the coven for her ally.
[[WMG: Stevie Nicks has the power to curse people with bad luck.]]
Notice how, after she wishes Misty (and later, her and the rest of the girls) good luck, something majorly bad happened to Misty? Stevie Nicks is also a friend of Fiona. She's using her powers to help kill off the coven for her ally.
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She'll come back from [[spoiler: her personal Hell]] just as the previous guess said, but only after a long, long time has passed. And her [[spoiler:coming back from Hell would mean she succeeded in Descensum, albeit in a different way than it would normally be done.]]
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She'll come back from [[spoiler: her personal Hell]] just as the previous guess said, but only after a long, long time has passed. And her [[spoiler:coming back from Hell would mean she succeeded in Descensum, albeit in a different way than it would normally be done.]]]]
[[WMG: Myrtle was hoping to kill Madison during the Seven Wonders]]
The tests normally go from easiest, to deadliest. Considering Divination came near-last and the worst Vitalum Vitalis seems to be is that you can't perform it, possibly trapping a person's soul with Descensum seems like something that would be reserved for the finals. My guess is, she was hoping to kill off Madison as fast as possible, due to her being a threat to the other witches' safety, and for that stunt with Kyle. If she succeeded, then they could do the rest of the competition without her. If not, at least they would be through another Wonder. If another witch died, it was a loss that would have probably been inevitable should they have reached the point where they had to perform Descensum again.
[[WMG: Myrtle was hoping to kill Madison during the Seven Wonders]]
The tests normally go from easiest, to deadliest. Considering Divination came near-last and the worst Vitalum Vitalis seems to be is that you can't perform it, possibly trapping a person's soul with Descensum seems like something that would be reserved for the finals. My guess is, she was hoping to kill off Madison as fast as possible, due to her being a threat to the other witches' safety, and for that stunt with Kyle. If she succeeded, then they could do the rest of the competition without her. If not, at least they would be through another Wonder. If another witch died, it was a loss that would have probably been inevitable should they have reached the point where they had to perform Descensum again.
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* Her particular hell involves the continuous using of her reviving power, maybe the fact that she is channeling over and over can build up a effect over time?
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* Her particular hell involves the continuous using of her reviving power, maybe the fact that she is channeling over and over can build up a effect over time?time?
[[WMG: Misty is the Supreme, but for the next generation.]]
She'll come back from [[spoiler: her personal Hell]] just as the previous guess said, but only after a long, long time has passed. And her [[spoiler:coming back from Hell would mean she succeeded in Descensum, albeit in a different way than it would normally be done.]]
[[WMG: Misty is the Supreme, but for the next generation.]]
She'll come back from [[spoiler: her personal Hell]] just as the previous guess said, but only after a long, long time has passed. And her [[spoiler:coming back from Hell would mean she succeeded in Descensum, albeit in a different way than it would normally be done.]]
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She survived being burned at the steak. We don't know if her body was intact or if she was completely ash. (Granted, the fire would have to be really hot, but there's no reason to assume they didn't keep at it to cover their bases. [[spoiler: So she could one day break out of her hell, and create a new body, rising from the ashes.]] As for why she could bring herself back without a body, and not others? Because bringing herself back is integral for her survival, and reviving others is just a courtesy. I know I'm reaching for it, but please.
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She survived being burned at the steak. We don't know if her body was intact or if she was completely ash. (Granted, the fire would have to be really hot, but there's no reason to assume they didn't keep at it to cover their bases. [[spoiler: So she could one day break out of her hell, and create a new body, rising from the ashes.]] As for why she could bring herself back without a body, and not others? Because bringing herself back is integral for her survival, and reviving others is just a courtesy. I know I'm reaching for it, but please.please.
* Her particular hell involves the continuous using of her reviving power, maybe the fact that she is channeling over and over can build up a effect over time?
* Her particular hell involves the continuous using of her reviving power, maybe the fact that she is channeling over and over can build up a effect over time?
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She survived being burned at the steak. We don't know if her body was intact or if she was completely ash. [[spoiler: So she could one day break out of her hell, and create a new body, rising from the ashes.]] As for why she could bring herself back without a body, and not others? Because bringing herself back is integral for her survival, and reviving others is just a courtesy.
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She survived being burned at the steak. We don't know if her body was intact or if she was completely ash. (Granted, the fire would have to be really hot, but there's no reason to assume they didn't keep at it to cover their bases. [[spoiler: So she could one day break out of her hell, and create a new body, rising from the ashes.]] As for why she could bring herself back without a body, and not others? Because bringing herself back is integral for her survival, and reviving others is just a courtesy. I know I'm reaching for it, but please.
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[[spoiler: Jossed.]]
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She survived being burned at the steak. We don't know if her body was intact or if she was completely ash. [[spoiler: So she could one day break out of her hell, and create a new body, rising from the ashes.]] As for why she could bring herself back without a body, and not others? Because bringing herself back is integral for her survival, and reviving others is just a courtesy.
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*Confirmed, [[spoiler: however by the time it's discovered Cordelia is the new Supreme, Fiona is already too weak to kill her and shortly after confronting Cordelia, Fiona dies from her disease.]]
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** Jossed. [[spoiler: The Axe-Man kills Fiona and Cordelia tells the students that they have to preform a test to figure out which one of them is the new Supreme.]]
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[[spoiler: Jossed.]]
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[[spoiler: Everybody says that 'nobody will expect the new Supreme' but so far everyone is expecting it to be one of the main ''female'' characters, even including [[CoolOldLady Myrtle]]. The Supreme being a male character would definitely be unexpected, and it's not like this season didn't show us that RM isn't above using ShockingSwerve endings to storylines.]]
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[[spoiler: Everybody says that 'nobody will expect the new Supreme' but so far everyone is expecting it to be one of the main ''female'' characters, even including [[CoolOldLady Myrtle]]. The Supreme being a male character would definitely be unexpected, and it's not like this season didn't show us that RM isn't above using ShockingSwerve endings to storylines.]]
[[spoiler: Jossed.]]
[[spoiler: Jossed.]]
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[[spoiler: Maybe she wasn't killed when Hank shot her, or at least, she didn't stay dead. She had pyrokinesis, maybe she gained the ability to resurrect herself, like a Phoenix?]]
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[[spoiler: Maybe she wasn't killed when Hank shot her, or at least, she didn't stay dead. She had pyrokinesis, maybe she gained the ability to resurrect herself, like a Phoenix?]]Phoenix?]]
[[WMG:[[spoiler: The Supreme is going to be a male character.]]]]
[[spoiler: Everybody says that 'nobody will expect the new Supreme' but so far everyone is expecting it to be one of the main ''female'' characters, even including [[CoolOldLady Myrtle]]. The Supreme being a male character would definitely be unexpected, and it's not like this season didn't show us that RM isn't above using ShockingSwerve endings to storylines.]]
[[WMG:[[spoiler: The Supreme is going to be a male character.]]]]
[[spoiler: Everybody says that 'nobody will expect the new Supreme' but so far everyone is expecting it to be one of the main ''female'' characters, even including [[CoolOldLady Myrtle]]. The Supreme being a male character would definitely be unexpected, and it's not like this season didn't show us that RM isn't above using ShockingSwerve endings to storylines.]]
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It's a reach, but what if?
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It's a reach, but what if?if?
[[WMG:[[spoiler: Kaylee is the Supreme.]]]]
[[spoiler: Maybe she wasn't killed when Hank shot her, or at least, she didn't stay dead. She had pyrokinesis, maybe she gained the ability to resurrect herself, like a Phoenix?]]
[[WMG:[[spoiler: Kaylee is the Supreme.]]]]
[[spoiler: Maybe she wasn't killed when Hank shot her, or at least, she didn't stay dead. She had pyrokinesis, maybe she gained the ability to resurrect herself, like a Phoenix?]]