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1st Aug '17 2:05:46 AM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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* "Whispers" provides evidence for this, as the Lich states himself to be "The Last Scholar of Golb".



It's possible that, through ThePowerOfLove and ThePowerOfFriendship Simon can slowly bypass the wish magic forcing him to imitate Evergreen and the Ice King becomes more like his old self. Betty's plan of undoing the Ice King is flawed because he's already beginning a slow transition to becoming Simon, albeit with the body and some of the traits of his new self. In her haste [[NiceJobBreakingItHero she may have bungled this process up]]. Reminding him of who he was without coming off as (mainly unintentional) condescending, having Ice King learn and become more intelligent, all are steps that could finally bring him back. Even if it takes another thousand years.

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It's possible that, through ThePowerOfLove and ThePowerOfFriendship Simon can slowly bypass the wish magic forcing him to imitate Evergreen and the Ice King becomes more like his old self. Betty's plan of undoing the Ice King is flawed because he's already beginning a slow transition to becoming Simon, albeit with the body and some of the traits of his new self. In her haste [[NiceJobBreakingItHero she may have bungled this process up]]. Reminding him of who he was without coming off as (mainly unintentional) condescending, having Ice King learn and become more intelligent, all are steps that could finally bring him back. Even if it takes another thousand years.years.

[[WMG: The Lich is a FightingAShadow situation.]]
Despite being only one or two years old, the Farmworld version of the Lich hasn't shown to be any less experienced or really different than his main timeline counterpart. In "Whispers" he already knows where the Well of Power is in this universe and mentions fighting Finn in many worlds. Rather than the Lich being a singular entity, the different versions are extension of the true EldritchAbomination. "Lich Prime" is similar to Prismo, a being who transcends contemporary space-time. For whatever reason it cannot enter the other universes, but must instead be summoned in a physical vessel.

The green Catalyst Comet opened the gate for the Lich to press itself upon the multiverse, and the Mushroom Bomb summons him into a waiting body. Of course, this can be pretty inconvenient since in some universes he is unable to enter, and in others there was no summoning. That's why he wants the Enchiridion. In case Prismo's magic doesn't affect the entire multiverse (we know he has limits, so it probably doesn't) he can use it to copy-paste his physical avatar to every universe. Possibly more than once depending on the limits of the Enchiridion.

While Finn may have defeated the Lich of his reality, the true consciousness of the Lich exists in a state he could never hope to truly destroy [[CosmicHorrorStory and will always be ready to return and threaten the multiverse]]. [[SubvertedTrope Though that doesn't mean]] [[LovecraftLite his ass still won't get kicked]].
23rd Jul '17 3:02:02 PM BurgerLord
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** Princess Bubblegum has put her [[MarriedToTheJob duties over her own happiness countless times]]. If she deems Marceline a threat to the kingdoms safety, you bet your ass she's going to do everything in her power to eliminate her.
23rd Jul '17 2:59:38 PM BurgerLord
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** Now THAT'S a RonTheDeathEater guess. While I do believe that PB is headed toward [[FaceHeelTurn Villain's Ville]], I don't think it will be due to xenophobia or any sort of prejudice. Take a look at how she treats her citizens, or anyone for that matter. She is more like a coddling, [[MamaBear overprotective mother]] than the ruler of a kingdom. Her mind also works strictly in terms of logic, which has been shown to cause some LackOfEmpathy situations. She also has trouble taking responsibility for her actions, preferring to eliminate the consequences to benefit her opinions and ideals (read: GENOCIDE OF SUPER SOLDIERS SHE CREATED). She's more likely to drift into the territory of Well-IntentionedExtremist Anti-Villain, desperately trying to protect the people she cares about by ''controlling their every thought or movement''. And then, of course, destroying potential threats. Like the previously unstable Flame Princess. Or the Ice King, who has undergone massive VillainDecay and is Marcy's surrogate father. Or Marceline, who has a direct connection to the Nightosphere.

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** Now THAT'S a RonTheDeathEater guess. While I do believe that PB is headed toward [[FaceHeelTurn Villain's Ville]], I don't think it will be due to xenophobia or any sort of prejudice. Take a look at how she treats her citizens, or anyone for that matter. She is more like a coddling, [[MamaBear overprotective mother]] than the ruler of a kingdom. Her mind also works strictly in terms of logic, which has been shown to cause some LackOfEmpathy situations. She also has trouble taking responsibility for her actions, preferring to eliminate the consequences to benefit her opinions and ideals (read: GENOCIDE OF SUPER SOLDIERS SHE CREATED). She's more likely to drift into the territory of Well-IntentionedExtremist Anti-Villain, WellIntentionedExtremist AntiVillain, desperately trying to protect the people she cares about by ''controlling their every thought or movement''. And then, of course, destroying potential threats. Like the previously unstable Flame Princess. Or the Ice King, who has undergone massive VillainDecay and is Marcy's surrogate father. Or Marceline, who has a direct connection to the Nightosphere.
13th May '17 10:28:58 PM p020901
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[[WMG: Cinnamon Bun's Firehound did not get corrupted by the Fire Element's innate destructive capability because he is the same pup that was taken care of by the snow golem in 'Thank You']]
Self-explanatory.
13th May '17 10:28:58 PM p020901
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[[WMG: Cinnamon Bun's Firehound did not get corrupted by the Fire Element's innate destructive capability because he is the same pup that was taken care of by the snow golem in 'Thank You']]
Self-explanatory.
1st May '17 11:10:59 PM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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Gunter's wish was either to be Master Evergreen or to have magic like Evergreen. Meaning that this WMG could play out in one of two ways: 1. If Simon were to regain his sanity for long enough to master ice magic on his own to the point of being on Evergreen's level he could reset the Crown's wish. 2. Patience St Pim briefly synchs with Simon. Since Patience IS Evergreen that should also satisfy the crown's wish. Either way if the crown is reset its influence would probably leave Simon much like it did in "Betty." That should give Simon enough time to make his own wish, which would either be to save Betty or to become an immortal.

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Gunter's wish was either to be Master Evergreen or to have magic like Evergreen. Meaning that this WMG could play out in one of two ways: 1. If Simon were to regain his sanity for long enough to master ice magic on his own to the point of being on Evergreen's level he could reset the Crown's wish. 2. Patience St Pim briefly synchs with Simon. Since Patience IS Evergreen that should also satisfy the crown's wish. Either way if the crown is reset its influence would probably leave Simon much like it did in "Betty." That should give Simon enough time to make his own wish, which would either be to save Betty or to become an immortal.immortal.

[[WMG: The Ice King is slowly being restored to his old self, without need of magic.]]
For the most part. The Ice King has gone through a lot of development through the seasons; he's not longer the princess-obsessed loony of Season 1, and is in general more thoughtful and nice like his old self. Out of universe it's because of further establishing his [[NiceGuy Simon]] [[HeroicWillpower Petrikov]] persona. In-universe, it may be due to ThePowerOfFriendship. Ever since learning who he was Finn and Jake have been more empathetic towards each other, with Finn often calling Ice King by his real name. Marceline spends more time with him. Compare this to when he was going mad; his fiancee vanished, [[WorldWarIII The Mushroom War happened]] and he let Marcy go because he feared for his life. There was nothing to ground him, but nowadays he does and as a result more of Simon can shine through.

It's possible that, through ThePowerOfLove and ThePowerOfFriendship Simon can slowly bypass the wish magic forcing him to imitate Evergreen and the Ice King becomes more like his old self. Betty's plan of undoing the Ice King is flawed because he's already beginning a slow transition to becoming Simon, albeit with the body and some of the traits of his new self. In her haste [[NiceJobBreakingItHero she may have bungled this process up]]. Reminding him of who he was without coming off as (mainly unintentional) condescending, having Ice King learn and become more intelligent, all are steps that could finally bring him back. Even if it takes another thousand years.
23rd Mar '17 3:06:16 PM Rowknan
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So as we learned in Jelly Beans Have Power, each Elemental reincarnation has to unlock their true power via self-discovery. Bubblegum did this by talking to a past life and relating her new magical powers with science. Clearly Flame Princess and Slime Princess have not gone through such an experience despite having greater power than PB did initially. So if Flame Princess (who is already at least as powerful as Ice King, who is by default comparable on Evergreen's level) were to get a similar boost she would quickly outpace the rest of the main cast. Maybe even having destructive power on the level of Orgalorg or Grob Grod Glob Gob.

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So as we learned in Jelly Beans Have Power, each Elemental reincarnation has to unlock their true power via self-discovery. Bubblegum did this by talking to a past life and relating her new magical powers with science. Clearly Flame Princess and Slime Princess have not gone through such an experience despite having greater power than PB did initially. So if Flame Princess (who is already at least as powerful as Ice King, who is by default comparable on Evergreen's level) were to get a similar boost she would quickly outpace the rest of the main cast. Maybe even having destructive power on the level of Orgalorg or Grob Grod Glob Gob.Gob.

[[WMG: Simon can only ever bend the Crown's magic to his will if he fulfills its original wish]]
Gunter's wish was either to be Master Evergreen or to have magic like Evergreen. Meaning that this WMG could play out in one of two ways: 1. If Simon were to regain his sanity for long enough to master ice magic on his own to the point of being on Evergreen's level he could reset the Crown's wish. 2. Patience St Pim briefly synchs with Simon. Since Patience IS Evergreen that should also satisfy the crown's wish. Either way if the crown is reset its influence would probably leave Simon much like it did in "Betty." That should give Simon enough time to make his own wish, which would either be to save Betty or to become an immortal.
23rd Mar '17 11:59:13 AM Rowknan
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And it's why he's so determined to [[OmnicidalManiac kill everyone]]. The universe of Adventure Time seems to follow cycles of mass destruction giving way to new forms of life and/or society. The age of the dinosaurs where the crown was made came to an end, paving the way for humanity millions of years later. Human civilization would be destroyed in the Mushroom War to bring forth the Land of Ooo, and we see by Cuber's time another apocalypse happened which will likely result in another world. Even the universe itself is proceeded by a timeless madness of [[EldritchAbomination monsters]]. The Lich knows this stuff because he is the agent of death and rebirth; an incarnation of him ended the monsters to allow the Big Bang, his comet incarnation brought an end to Evergreen's time and in his current state was involved in the Mushroom War. Problem is that he's an unfettered machine representing nature's apathy. There's no off switch with him, nature simply has to fight him off. Were he to succeed in the extinction of all life he'd simply be wiped out by LogicBomb with nothing left to kill, allowing time for new life to evolve...[[HistoryRepeats and a new form of the Lich appears]]. That, or the Adventure Time universe is already due to being destroyed and recreated, and the Lich is just faithfully doing his job by destroyed reality so a new one can come into being. He manages to frighten Death because death itself is just a part of the life-death-life cycle that dominates creation.

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And it's why he's so determined to [[OmnicidalManiac kill everyone]]. The universe of Adventure Time seems to follow cycles of mass destruction giving way to new forms of life and/or society. The age of the dinosaurs where the crown was made came to an end, paving the way for humanity millions of years later. Human civilization would be destroyed in the Mushroom War to bring forth the Land of Ooo, and we see by Cuber's time another apocalypse happened which will likely result in another world. Even the universe itself is proceeded by a timeless madness of [[EldritchAbomination monsters]]. The Lich knows this stuff because he is the agent of death and rebirth; an incarnation of him ended the monsters to allow the Big Bang, his comet incarnation brought an end to Evergreen's time and in his current state was involved in the Mushroom War. Problem is that he's an unfettered machine representing nature's apathy. There's no off switch with him, nature simply has to fight him off. Were he to succeed in the extinction of all life he'd simply be wiped out by LogicBomb with nothing left to kill, allowing time for new life to evolve...[[HistoryRepeats and a new form of the Lich appears]]. That, or the Adventure Time universe is already due to being destroyed and recreated, and the Lich is just faithfully doing his job by destroyed reality so a new one can come into being. He manages to frighten Death because death itself is just a part of the life-death-life cycle that dominates creation.creation.

[[WMG: Flame Princess is the most powerful Elemental.]]
So as we learned in Jelly Beans Have Power, each Elemental reincarnation has to unlock their true power via self-discovery. Bubblegum did this by talking to a past life and relating her new magical powers with science. Clearly Flame Princess and Slime Princess have not gone through such an experience despite having greater power than PB did initially. So if Flame Princess (who is already at least as powerful as Ice King, who is by default comparable on Evergreen's level) were to get a similar boost she would quickly outpace the rest of the main cast. Maybe even having destructive power on the level of Orgalorg or Grob Grod Glob Gob.
26th Feb '17 3:11:44 PM SolariusScorch
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* In "Holly Jolly Secrets", Simon said that the crown was of Scandinavian origin. We're all familiar, I'm sure, with the HansChristianAnderson story of The Ice Queen. Now, in Fiona's world, her Ice Queen explicitly wears a tiara. Ergo, the relic in Fiona's world from Scandinavia originally belonged to a Queen or Princess. That means that Fiona's world is likely the future of our world, with the story of an existing Ice Queen. And if we were to travel to the parallel world that would be Ooo, we would meet gender-flipped versions of ourselves.

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* In "Holly Jolly Secrets", Simon said that the crown was of Scandinavian origin. We're all familiar, I'm sure, with the HansChristianAnderson HansChristianAndersen story of The Ice Queen. Now, in Fiona's world, her Ice Queen explicitly wears a tiara. Ergo, the relic in Fiona's world from Scandinavia originally belonged to a Queen or Princess. That means that Fiona's world is likely the future of our world, with the story of an existing Ice Queen. And if we were to travel to the parallel world that would be Ooo, we would meet gender-flipped versions of ourselves.
24th Feb '17 2:11:03 AM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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[[WMG: The Lich is a corrupted Catalyst Comet.]]
From everything we see, the Catalyst Comet is meant to be a natural phenomenon, existing to promote change. Yet the Lich's goal to destroy [[OmnicidalManiac all existence]] seems counter-intuitive; why would a natural aspect seek to break the cosmic cycle, and not reincarnate? The truth is that the Lich is a corrupt form of this comet. Initially, the Green Comet wasn't even intelligent, merely a deadly comet with a SicklyGreenGlow. The remains of this comet was a mindless, bubbling pool of destructive energy. However, someone or something grafted the comet with a mind of its own, which caused this catalyst to go off-script. It wasn't supposed to be sentient, so once consciousness was grafted all it had to go on was a machine-like mentality to destroy.

Somehow, it gained intelligence from the acts of mankind, thus turning into a new entity. This is why when Finn wished for the Lich to never exist, it didn't undo the K-T extinction; the Green Comet is merely the base of which the Lich himself was constructed from, and most likely would've remained undisturbed and unaware had it not been found by mankind. It's also likely there may be [[EldritchAbomination some cosmic force]] from the pre-time era that helped them through a TomeOfEldritchLore, likely to end creation and bring its brethren back(which is why the Lich knows of them; he's the spawn of these monsters). If so, then the Lich himself is the unknowing DragonInChief to the GreaterScopeVillain of the series.

Either way, the Lich is an error within the cycle of Catalyst Comets, a being that should never have been given intelligence and thus incomplete. The reason why Sweet P isn't just the Lich in a flesh and blood body comes from his comet essence trying to fix the flaw, and be reincarnated as a new life form like the Blue Comet. As for why it hasn't done so? When Gunther put on the crown, he may have tried to freeze the comet. It still collided due to being too close to slow down, but as it was frozen over couldn't be reborn as a living being. Similarly, the Maid worked because the Lich himself is a flaw in the system, and all it had to do was reverse this issue. Farmworld Jake still has the essence of the Green Comet, but retains his own personality.

[[WMG: Alternatively, the Lich is the agent for a '''much''' larger change.]]
Rather than breaking the cycle, the Lich is actually perpetuating a bigger cycle; that is, the death and rebirth of all creation. The "there were monsters" speech? It ties into part of his motivation. The Lich, or rather the true spirit behind the villain, exists to clear reality so as to start a new one. In a previous life he destroyed the maddening reality of monsters to make way for time, and is currently trying to destroy all life and everything else so as to bring forth another universe. In that way, he's a catalyst for change on the very largest scale.



That "hungry-looking rainbow" was constantly licking her lips when the half-human Marcie was around but because Bonnie was interested in building ties with the Rainbow dimension she ignored Marcie's objections. Notice since Bonnie and Marcie have repaired their relationship, Lady isn't around much.

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That "hungry-looking rainbow" was constantly licking her lips when the half-human Marcie was around but because Bonnie was interested in building ties with the Rainbow dimension she ignored Marcie's objections. Notice since Bonnie and Marcie have repaired their relationship, Lady isn't around much.much.

[[WMG: Patience St Pim is an ImmortalitySeeker.]]
Look at both her and her precursor, Urgence Evergreen. Evergreen opposed Chatsberry's passive attitude, that the elements will "live on". Patience's reaction to the upcoming Mushroom War and birth of the Lich was to immediately [[HumanPopsicle freeze herself]] to survive; it's not like she knew she'd ever be awoken, but the two incarnations of the Ice Elemental are defined by their strong sense of self-preservation. There's also the fact that the Ice Crown, who's madness and powers is a parody of Evergreen, is an ImmortalityInducer(though this could just be the great power within it). She desires CompleteImmortality, and is training the other three elementals to achieve this state and end this cycle of death and rebirth. She's mooching in the Ice Kingdom in part because she's interested in the Ice Crown and its original purpose of being a powerful Wish Magic. Given the world has gone through another apocalypse by 1000 years into the future, [[ForegoneConclusion she ultimately can't fight nature]].

[[WMG: The Lich represents the cycle of death and rebirth.]]
And it's why he's so determined to [[OmnicidalManiac kill everyone]]. The universe of Adventure Time seems to follow cycles of mass destruction giving way to new forms of life and/or society. The age of the dinosaurs where the crown was made came to an end, paving the way for humanity millions of years later. Human civilization would be destroyed in the Mushroom War to bring forth the Land of Ooo, and we see by Cuber's time another apocalypse happened which will likely result in another world. Even the universe itself is proceeded by a timeless madness of [[EldritchAbomination monsters]]. The Lich knows this stuff because he is the agent of death and rebirth; an incarnation of him ended the monsters to allow the Big Bang, his comet incarnation brought an end to Evergreen's time and in his current state was involved in the Mushroom War. Problem is that he's an unfettered machine representing nature's apathy. There's no off switch with him, nature simply has to fight him off. Were he to succeed in the extinction of all life he'd simply be wiped out by LogicBomb with nothing left to kill, allowing time for new life to evolve...[[HistoryRepeats and a new form of the Lich appears]]. That, or the Adventure Time universe is already due to being destroyed and recreated, and the Lich is just faithfully doing his job by destroyed reality so a new one can come into being. He manages to frighten Death because death itself is just a part of the life-death-life cycle that dominates creation.
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