History WMG / AdventureTime

23rd Mar '17 3:06:16 PM Rowknan
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So as we learned in Jelly Beans Have Power, each Elemental reincarnation has to unlock their true power via self-discovery. Bubblegum did this by talking to a past life and relating her new magical powers with science. Clearly Flame Princess and Slime Princess have not gone through such an experience despite having greater power than PB did initially. So if Flame Princess (who is already at least as powerful as Ice King, who is by default comparable on Evergreen's level) were to get a similar boost she would quickly outpace the rest of the main cast. Maybe even having destructive power on the level of Orgalorg or Grob Grod Glob Gob.

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So as we learned in Jelly Beans Have Power, each Elemental reincarnation has to unlock their true power via self-discovery. Bubblegum did this by talking to a past life and relating her new magical powers with science. Clearly Flame Princess and Slime Princess have not gone through such an experience despite having greater power than PB did initially. So if Flame Princess (who is already at least as powerful as Ice King, who is by default comparable on Evergreen's level) were to get a similar boost she would quickly outpace the rest of the main cast. Maybe even having destructive power on the level of Orgalorg or Grob Grod Glob Gob.Gob.

[[WMG: Simon can only ever bend the Crown's magic to his will if he fulfills its original wish]]
Gunter's wish was either to be Master Evergreen or to have magic like Evergreen. Meaning that this WMG could play out in one of two ways: 1. If Simon were to regain his sanity for long enough to master ice magic on his own to the point of being on Evergreen's level he could reset the Crown's wish. 2. Patience St Pim briefly synchs with Simon. Since Patience IS Evergreen that should also satisfy the crown's wish. Either way if the crown is reset its influence would probably leave Simon much like it did in "Betty." That should give Simon enough time to make his own wish, which would either be to save Betty or to become an immortal.
23rd Mar '17 11:59:13 AM Rowknan
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And it's why he's so determined to [[OmnicidalManiac kill everyone]]. The universe of Adventure Time seems to follow cycles of mass destruction giving way to new forms of life and/or society. The age of the dinosaurs where the crown was made came to an end, paving the way for humanity millions of years later. Human civilization would be destroyed in the Mushroom War to bring forth the Land of Ooo, and we see by Cuber's time another apocalypse happened which will likely result in another world. Even the universe itself is proceeded by a timeless madness of [[EldritchAbomination monsters]]. The Lich knows this stuff because he is the agent of death and rebirth; an incarnation of him ended the monsters to allow the Big Bang, his comet incarnation brought an end to Evergreen's time and in his current state was involved in the Mushroom War. Problem is that he's an unfettered machine representing nature's apathy. There's no off switch with him, nature simply has to fight him off. Were he to succeed in the extinction of all life he'd simply be wiped out by LogicBomb with nothing left to kill, allowing time for new life to evolve...[[HistoryRepeats and a new form of the Lich appears]]. That, or the Adventure Time universe is already due to being destroyed and recreated, and the Lich is just faithfully doing his job by destroyed reality so a new one can come into being. He manages to frighten Death because death itself is just a part of the life-death-life cycle that dominates creation.

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And it's why he's so determined to [[OmnicidalManiac kill everyone]]. The universe of Adventure Time seems to follow cycles of mass destruction giving way to new forms of life and/or society. The age of the dinosaurs where the crown was made came to an end, paving the way for humanity millions of years later. Human civilization would be destroyed in the Mushroom War to bring forth the Land of Ooo, and we see by Cuber's time another apocalypse happened which will likely result in another world. Even the universe itself is proceeded by a timeless madness of [[EldritchAbomination monsters]]. The Lich knows this stuff because he is the agent of death and rebirth; an incarnation of him ended the monsters to allow the Big Bang, his comet incarnation brought an end to Evergreen's time and in his current state was involved in the Mushroom War. Problem is that he's an unfettered machine representing nature's apathy. There's no off switch with him, nature simply has to fight him off. Were he to succeed in the extinction of all life he'd simply be wiped out by LogicBomb with nothing left to kill, allowing time for new life to evolve...[[HistoryRepeats and a new form of the Lich appears]]. That, or the Adventure Time universe is already due to being destroyed and recreated, and the Lich is just faithfully doing his job by destroyed reality so a new one can come into being. He manages to frighten Death because death itself is just a part of the life-death-life cycle that dominates creation.creation.

[[WMG: Flame Princess is the most powerful Elemental.]]
So as we learned in Jelly Beans Have Power, each Elemental reincarnation has to unlock their true power via self-discovery. Bubblegum did this by talking to a past life and relating her new magical powers with science. Clearly Flame Princess and Slime Princess have not gone through such an experience despite having greater power than PB did initially. So if Flame Princess (who is already at least as powerful as Ice King, who is by default comparable on Evergreen's level) were to get a similar boost she would quickly outpace the rest of the main cast. Maybe even having destructive power on the level of Orgalorg or Grob Grod Glob Gob.
26th Feb '17 3:11:44 PM SolariusScorch
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* In "Holly Jolly Secrets", Simon said that the crown was of Scandinavian origin. We're all familiar, I'm sure, with the HansChristianAnderson story of The Ice Queen. Now, in Fiona's world, her Ice Queen explicitly wears a tiara. Ergo, the relic in Fiona's world from Scandinavia originally belonged to a Queen or Princess. That means that Fiona's world is likely the future of our world, with the story of an existing Ice Queen. And if we were to travel to the parallel world that would be Ooo, we would meet gender-flipped versions of ourselves.

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* In "Holly Jolly Secrets", Simon said that the crown was of Scandinavian origin. We're all familiar, I'm sure, with the HansChristianAnderson HansChristianAndersen story of The Ice Queen. Now, in Fiona's world, her Ice Queen explicitly wears a tiara. Ergo, the relic in Fiona's world from Scandinavia originally belonged to a Queen or Princess. That means that Fiona's world is likely the future of our world, with the story of an existing Ice Queen. And if we were to travel to the parallel world that would be Ooo, we would meet gender-flipped versions of ourselves.
24th Feb '17 2:11:03 AM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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[[WMG: The Lich is a corrupted Catalyst Comet.]]
From everything we see, the Catalyst Comet is meant to be a natural phenomenon, existing to promote change. Yet the Lich's goal to destroy [[OmnicidalManiac all existence]] seems counter-intuitive; why would a natural aspect seek to break the cosmic cycle, and not reincarnate? The truth is that the Lich is a corrupt form of this comet. Initially, the Green Comet wasn't even intelligent, merely a deadly comet with a SicklyGreenGlow. The remains of this comet was a mindless, bubbling pool of destructive energy. However, someone or something grafted the comet with a mind of its own, which caused this catalyst to go off-script. It wasn't supposed to be sentient, so once consciousness was grafted all it had to go on was a machine-like mentality to destroy.

Somehow, it gained intelligence from the acts of mankind, thus turning into a new entity. This is why when Finn wished for the Lich to never exist, it didn't undo the K-T extinction; the Green Comet is merely the base of which the Lich himself was constructed from, and most likely would've remained undisturbed and unaware had it not been found by mankind. It's also likely there may be [[EldritchAbomination some cosmic force]] from the pre-time era that helped them through a TomeOfEldritchLore, likely to end creation and bring its brethren back(which is why the Lich knows of them; he's the spawn of these monsters). If so, then the Lich himself is the unknowing DragonInChief to the GreaterScopeVillain of the series.

Either way, the Lich is an error within the cycle of Catalyst Comets, a being that should never have been given intelligence and thus incomplete. The reason why Sweet P isn't just the Lich in a flesh and blood body comes from his comet essence trying to fix the flaw, and be reincarnated as a new life form like the Blue Comet. As for why it hasn't done so? When Gunther put on the crown, he may have tried to freeze the comet. It still collided due to being too close to slow down, but as it was frozen over couldn't be reborn as a living being. Similarly, the Maid worked because the Lich himself is a flaw in the system, and all it had to do was reverse this issue. Farmworld Jake still has the essence of the Green Comet, but retains his own personality.

[[WMG: Alternatively, the Lich is the agent for a '''much''' larger change.]]
Rather than breaking the cycle, the Lich is actually perpetuating a bigger cycle; that is, the death and rebirth of all creation. The "there were monsters" speech? It ties into part of his motivation. The Lich, or rather the true spirit behind the villain, exists to clear reality so as to start a new one. In a previous life he destroyed the maddening reality of monsters to make way for time, and is currently trying to destroy all life and everything else so as to bring forth another universe. In that way, he's a catalyst for change on the very largest scale.



That "hungry-looking rainbow" was constantly licking her lips when the half-human Marcie was around but because Bonnie was interested in building ties with the Rainbow dimension she ignored Marcie's objections. Notice since Bonnie and Marcie have repaired their relationship, Lady isn't around much.

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That "hungry-looking rainbow" was constantly licking her lips when the half-human Marcie was around but because Bonnie was interested in building ties with the Rainbow dimension she ignored Marcie's objections. Notice since Bonnie and Marcie have repaired their relationship, Lady isn't around much.much.

[[WMG: Patience St Pim is an ImmortalitySeeker.]]
Look at both her and her precursor, Urgence Evergreen. Evergreen opposed Chatsberry's passive attitude, that the elements will "live on". Patience's reaction to the upcoming Mushroom War and birth of the Lich was to immediately [[HumanPopsicle freeze herself]] to survive; it's not like she knew she'd ever be awoken, but the two incarnations of the Ice Elemental are defined by their strong sense of self-preservation. There's also the fact that the Ice Crown, who's madness and powers is a parody of Evergreen, is an ImmortalityInducer(though this could just be the great power within it). She desires CompleteImmortality, and is training the other three elementals to achieve this state and end this cycle of death and rebirth. She's mooching in the Ice Kingdom in part because she's interested in the Ice Crown and its original purpose of being a powerful Wish Magic. Given the world has gone through another apocalypse by 1000 years into the future, [[ForegoneConclusion she ultimately can't fight nature]].

[[WMG: The Lich represents the cycle of death and rebirth.]]
And it's why he's so determined to [[OmnicidalManiac kill everyone]]. The universe of Adventure Time seems to follow cycles of mass destruction giving way to new forms of life and/or society. The age of the dinosaurs where the crown was made came to an end, paving the way for humanity millions of years later. Human civilization would be destroyed in the Mushroom War to bring forth the Land of Ooo, and we see by Cuber's time another apocalypse happened which will likely result in another world. Even the universe itself is proceeded by a timeless madness of [[EldritchAbomination monsters]]. The Lich knows this stuff because he is the agent of death and rebirth; an incarnation of him ended the monsters to allow the Big Bang, his comet incarnation brought an end to Evergreen's time and in his current state was involved in the Mushroom War. Problem is that he's an unfettered machine representing nature's apathy. There's no off switch with him, nature simply has to fight him off. Were he to succeed in the extinction of all life he'd simply be wiped out by LogicBomb with nothing left to kill, allowing time for new life to evolve...[[HistoryRepeats and a new form of the Lich appears]]. That, or the Adventure Time universe is already due to being destroyed and recreated, and the Lich is just faithfully doing his job by destroyed reality so a new one can come into being. He manages to frighten Death because death itself is just a part of the life-death-life cycle that dominates creation.
29th Jan '17 1:03:51 PM CJCroen1393
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** Semi-confirmed. Finn's mother finally appears in the ''Islands'' miniseries and while not necessarily heroic (she's actually kind of a WellIntentionedExtremist), she's also a genuinely kind person who parts on good terms with her son (unlike Martin).




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* Jossed. Finn's mother and Susan are separate people. But Susan ''did'' know Finn's mom.
29th Jan '17 9:41:48 AM buihuuduyet
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** {{Jossed}}. [[spoiler: Finn finally met his mom in 'Helpers'.]]




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{{Jossed}}. There is a surviving human civilization.




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{{Jossed}}. As of season 8, all surviving humans are from the Mysterious Islands.
24th Jan '17 8:47:44 PM qobiewuqwe98w5
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[[WMG: BMO is Schizophrenic.]]
So in "BMO Noire," we see BMO creating a narrative by interacting with animals that he has dressed up to act like characters in his roleplay. This could be just harmless play, until we see a flashback where BMO is setting up the roleplay in the form of a flashback, but he doesn't seem to remember this part, as evidenced by the fact that he never makes reference to it. This could be interpreted as BMO having dual personality disorder, where one personality creates the fantasies and the other lives them. This makes the BMO focused episodes more interesting, like BMO Lost, where the only sentient character is Mr. Bubble, who could be a figment of BMO's imagination. This makes sense when you take into account that only BMO interacts with Mr. Bubble and says he loves BMO, wanting to marry it after having only known it for a day or so. This also implies that BMO creates these characters to simulate the love he wishes he could feel. Humans feel love and robots do not. As we have seen in later episodes, BMO wishes to be a real boy, and so he creates these fantasies to make him feel more human.
* Supported by BMO's craziness in "Football" where basically his second personality "Football" "revolts" and takes over BMO's body and traps BMO in the mirror.
17th Nov '16 10:45:05 PM Bobtherandomguy
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Rather than breaking the cycle, the Lich is actually perpetuating a bigger cycle; that is, the death and rebirth of all creation. The "there were monsters" speech? It ties into part of his motivation. The Lich, or rather the true spirit behind the villain, exists to clear reality so as to start a new one. In a previous life he destroyed the maddening reality of monsters to make way for time, and is currently trying to destroy all life and everything else so as to bring forth another universe. In that way, he's a catalyst for change on the very largest scale.

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Rather than breaking the cycle, the Lich is actually perpetuating a bigger cycle; that is, the death and rebirth of all creation. The "there were monsters" speech? It ties into part of his motivation. The Lich, or rather the true spirit behind the villain, exists to clear reality so as to start a new one. In a previous life he destroyed the maddening reality of monsters to make way for time, and is currently trying to destroy all life and everything else so as to bring forth another universe. In that way, he's a catalyst for change on the very largest scale.scale.

[[WMG: PB's friendship with Lady is what ruined her relationship with Marcie.]]
That "hungry-looking rainbow" was constantly licking her lips when the half-human Marcie was around but because Bonnie was interested in building ties with the Rainbow dimension she ignored Marcie's objections. Notice since Bonnie and Marcie have repaired their relationship, Lady isn't around much.
23rd Oct '16 11:34:59 PM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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Either way, the Lich is an error within the cycle of Catalyst Comets, a being that should never have been given intelligence and thus incomplete. The reason why Sweet P isn't just the Lich in a flesh and blood body comes from his comet essence trying to fix the flaw, and be reincarnated as a new life form like the Blue Comet. As for why it hasn't done so? When Gunther put on the crown, he may have tried to freeze the comet. It still collided due to being too close to slow down, but as it was frozen over couldn't be reborn as a living being. Similarly, the Maid worked because the Lich himself is a flaw in the system, and all it had to do was reverse this issue. Farmworld Jake still has the essence of the Green Comet, but retains his own personality.

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Either way, the Lich is an error within the cycle of Catalyst Comets, a being that should never have been given intelligence and thus incomplete. The reason why Sweet P isn't just the Lich in a flesh and blood body comes from his comet essence trying to fix the flaw, and be reincarnated as a new life form like the Blue Comet. As for why it hasn't done so? When Gunther put on the crown, he may have tried to freeze the comet. It still collided due to being too close to slow down, but as it was frozen over couldn't be reborn as a living being. Similarly, the Maid worked because the Lich himself is a flaw in the system, and all it had to do was reverse this issue. Farmworld Jake still has the essence of the Green Comet, but retains his own personality.personality.

[[WMG: Alternatively, the Lich is the agent for a '''much''' larger change.]]
Rather than breaking the cycle, the Lich is actually perpetuating a bigger cycle; that is, the death and rebirth of all creation. The "there were monsters" speech? It ties into part of his motivation. The Lich, or rather the true spirit behind the villain, exists to clear reality so as to start a new one. In a previous life he destroyed the maddening reality of monsters to make way for time, and is currently trying to destroy all life and everything else so as to bring forth another universe. In that way, he's a catalyst for change on the very largest scale.
16th Jul '16 5:52:57 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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You honestly don't expect [[spoiler:[[DangerouslyGenreSavvy being brought back to life]] ]] to stop him permanently? The moment [[spoiler:Baby!Lich]] "dies", his soul will just be transferred to a fresh new corpse-and [[spoiler:The Lich]] has a bunch of zombie servants, and noticeably [[BearsAreBadNews a bear]] to carry this out. It'll be a while, though, so they can save him for the GrandFinale.

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You honestly don't expect [[spoiler:[[DangerouslyGenreSavvy being [[spoiler:being brought back to life]] ]] to stop him permanently? The moment [[spoiler:Baby!Lich]] "dies", his soul will just be transferred to a fresh new corpse-and [[spoiler:The Lich]] has a bunch of zombie servants, and noticeably [[BearsAreBadNews a bear]] to carry this out. It'll be a while, though, so they can save him for the GrandFinale.



He really didn't expect [[spoiler:being turned into a baby]], and when it occurred the Lich was ejected out of his body. With no other body, he's stuck basically [[OurGhostsAreDifferent as a spirit without a body.]] [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy Knowing the Lich]], he's probably got a contingency plan to get a new body. Either way, it'll allow the writers to give the Lich a legitimate reason to wait until later while they focus on other plot threads.

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He really didn't expect [[spoiler:being turned into a baby]], and when it occurred the Lich was ejected out of his body. With no other body, he's stuck basically [[OurGhostsAreDifferent as a spirit without a body.]] [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy Knowing the Lich]], he's probably got a contingency plan to get a new body. Either way, it'll allow the writers to give the Lich a legitimate reason to wait until later while they focus on other plot threads.



The Comet still lived, dwelling for millions of years. Over the eras, it rose, took new form and was banished, bringing death and devestation on its wake. [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy learning from every defeat.]] A storm, a plague, an outbreak of madness. Tens, hundreds of thousands of years ago, there was a race that fell, the same of which Darren belonged to. Then the age of humanity began. And it was there they discovered something lurking in a crater 65 million years old.

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The Comet still lived, dwelling for millions of years. Over the eras, it rose, took new form and was banished, bringing death and devestation on its wake. [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy learning from every defeat.]] defeat. A storm, a plague, an outbreak of madness. Tens, hundreds of thousands of years ago, there was a race that fell, the same of which Darren belonged to. Then the age of humanity began. And it was there they discovered something lurking in a crater 65 million years old.
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