History WMG / ASongOfIceAndFirePartII

25th May '17 6:11:52 AM CosmicFerret
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As interesting as they are, a Faceless Man as a viewpoint character, let alone as a protagonist character, wouldn't work. They're meant to have no identity, no desires of their own, no ties to the outside world -- none of the things that make a hero, basically. [[spoiler:Arya's hidden sword and her wild direwolf ]]both symbolise aspects of her character that she wouldn't allow to be subsumed by the House of Black and White. Either something in Braavos will remind her of home, or she will rail against a final stage of induction to the Faceless Men and flee -- or be expelled -- from them. Like [[Film/BatmanBegins Bruce Wayne]] and [[TheEmpireStrikesBack Luke Skywalker]], she will join the ranks of the Dropout Hero. Some kind of rediscovery of [[spoiler:Nymeria being the catalyst would be excellent, as she symbolises all the aspects of Arya that go against the FM's ethos, although it's hard to see how that would happen except as a particularly vivid wolf-dream.]]

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As interesting as they are, a Faceless Man as a viewpoint character, let alone as a protagonist character, wouldn't work. They're meant to have no identity, no desires of their own, no ties to the outside world -- none of the things that make a hero, basically. [[spoiler:Arya's hidden sword and her wild direwolf ]]both symbolise aspects of her character that she wouldn't allow to be subsumed by the House of Black and White. Either something in Braavos will remind her of home, or she will rail against a final stage of induction to the Faceless Men and flee -- or be expelled -- from them. Like [[Film/BatmanBegins Bruce Wayne]] and [[TheEmpireStrikesBack [[Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack Luke Skywalker]], she will join the ranks of the Dropout Hero. Some kind of rediscovery of [[spoiler:Nymeria being the catalyst would be excellent, as she symbolises all the aspects of Arya that go against the FM's ethos, although it's hard to see how that would happen except as a particularly vivid wolf-dream.]]
13th May '17 6:24:21 PM BB8ForPresident
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** Alternatively Gendry will be legitimized as a Baratheon and marry Arya. Given Arya is described as a GenerationXerox of Lyanna Stark, there would be a huge irony in her actually choosing to marry Robert's son rather than being forced into an arrangement. It would invert the ArrangedMarriage between Robert/Lyanna versus Arya and Gendry meeting as commoners and befriending each other without even knowing their family legacy. Not to mention, it would go full circle to the start of the series when a Stark daughter was betrothed to a Baratheon son - just not the two Robert and Ned expected.
4th Mar '17 4:17:57 PM jenmic
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* Mace Tyrell has been doing his utmost to fill the Small Council with loyal Reach men in order to expand his own influence (now unchecked due to Kevan's death.

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* Mace Tyrell has been doing his utmost to fill the Small Council with loyal Reach men in order to expand his own influence (now unchecked due to Kevan's death.death).



Basically he would be immediately spirited to kings landing after the minimal training needed to become a Maester and all the rules will be bent to get him on the Small Council to act as his father's puppet in Mace's machinations to get complete Tyrell control over the Kingdom....only for his very clear and dire warnings about the rising threat of the Others and the need to send more men to the wall to throw a spanner in all of that. Randall will attempt to browbeat (or simply beat) his son into compliance and will finally learn his son has matured into somewhat of a badass, Sam's political savy and the fact everyone underestimates him (coupled with the protection his birth and position will give him) will give him an ok starting point in the political gambit pileup in Kings Landing, and when he discovers a certain giant undead killing machine, he will know the only true way to kill it should a certain dog themed warrior turn up to fight it (even if said way of killing it is the worst fear of said dog themed warrior).

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Basically he would be immediately spirited to kings landing Kings Landing after the minimal training needed to become a Maester and all the rules will be bent to get him on the Small Council to act as his father's puppet in Mace's machinations to get complete Tyrell control over the Kingdom....only for his very clear and dire warnings about the rising threat of the Others and the need to send more men to the wall to throw a spanner in all of that. Randall will attempt to browbeat (or simply beat) his son into compliance and will finally learn his son has matured into somewhat of a badass, Sam's political savy and the fact everyone underestimates him (coupled with the protection his birth and position will give him) will give him an ok starting point in the political gambit pileup in Kings Landing, and when he discovers a certain giant undead killing machine, he will know the only true way to kill it should a certain dog themed warrior turn up to fight it (even if said way of killing it is the worst fear of said dog themed warrior).



It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that the Bank use Faceless Men for their assassinations, since both the Bank and the Men are based out of Braavos. And we know Arya would leap at the chance to put a dagger between Cersei's shoulderblades, especially since she hasn't phased out her own identity like Faceless Men are supposed to. Of course, this doesn't guarantee she'll succeed, but it seems like an elegant way to bring her back to Westeros for the finale...

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It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that the Bank use Faceless Men for their assassinations, since both the Bank and the Men are based out of Braavos. And we know Arya would leap at the chance to put a dagger between Cersei's shoulderblades, shoulder blades, especially since she hasn't phased out her own identity like Faceless Men are supposed to. Of course, this doesn't guarantee she'll succeed, but it seems like an elegant way to bring her back to Westeros for the finale...
27th Dec '16 12:14:44 PM DustSnitch
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...masquerading as Ser Meryn Trant, who he killed after Arya fled. ''[[{{Badass}} With his wooden sword.]]''

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...masquerading as Ser Meryn Trant, who he killed after Arya fled. ''[[{{Badass}} With ''With his wooden sword.]]''''
22nd Dec '16 8:45:51 PM Stinkoman87
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** Also: He left most of the governing to the Small Council. The Small Council is a meritocracy; the people in it need no notable bloodline to achieve power, only competence. His chief of intelligence was a foreign-born eunuch, with a great deal of talent in the clandestine arts.
7th Jul '16 11:17:43 PM Doug86
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Page II of Wild Mass Guessing for the ASongOfIceAndFire novels. See also [[WMG/ASongOfIceAndFirePartI Page I]].

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Page II of Wild Mass Guessing for the ASongOfIceAndFire Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire novels. See also [[WMG/ASongOfIceAndFirePartI Page I]].



[[WMG: In the world of ''ASongOfIceAndFire'', two monozygotic twins can have different genders.]]

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[[WMG: In the world of ''ASongOfIceAndFire'', ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', two monozygotic twins can have different genders.]]
20th Apr '16 4:50:33 PM aye_amber
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* Influence: This is the biggest, most critical point of all. Who is playing Bran, who is guiding him and supporting him? The three-eyed crow aka Brynden "Bloodraven" Rivers. We know he is a Targaryen bastard, with a reputation for sorcery and a past as a ruthlessly effective Master of Whisperers. He is unique for having both Valyrian and First Men blood running through his veins; one of which has given him the same warging/greenseer abilities as Bran. He was apparently Lord Commander of the Night's Watch for awhile before. Now he's The Last Greenseer, and implied to be observing events all across the world ("A thousand eyes and one"). And he seems to have marked Bran as his replacement. Despite how rational he makes it all sound, the stuff he's doing to Bran is pretty dark. This includes consuming a strange reddish paste (which is probably the sap that flows from the weirwoods; the sap suspected of being actual blood) and leaving the world behind and embracing darkness. He says specifically: ''"[[DarkIsNotEvil Do not fear the darkness, Bran.]] TheThe strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. [[TheDarkSide Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk.]] [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveSupernaturalPowers Darkness will make you strong.]]"'' Sounds kind of... dark. In the same book, Melisandre has a vision of Bloodraven and Bran while also seeing darkness and death (both of which she believes to be calling cards of the Great Other). She even wonders if they are "the enemy" she's been waiting for. Now unless the Night's King shows up in ''The Winds of Winter,'' right now the three-eyed crow seems as morally ambiguous a character as Petyr Baelish, Varys or Tywin Lannister. And it's very likely that he's simply manipulating this child into becoming a living weapon or maybe even TheDragon for whatever war is coming. Now why? My guess is that Bloodraven is somehow in league with the Others. Maybe the Children of the Forest don't even know it. But you gotta admit it's weird that the Others start coming back right around the time dragons reappear in the world. Perhaps Bloodraven, and thus the Others, foresaw the dragons being born and Dany's rise. They knew they had to act and amass their army before the dragons grew too large and powerful. This is also where Bran, the new greenseer, comes into the picture. Bloodraven is around 125 years old at this point and likely not as strong as he used to be. So why not mold the perfect pawn for the Others in case he winds up giving out. It would mainly be to help him enthrall the dragons, though; "you will never walk again, but you will fly." After all, Daenerys has three dragons, and Bloodraven can't control two at a time. Now for evidence to support the Evil Bloodraven and Bran theory:

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* Influence: This is the biggest, most critical point of all. Who is playing Bran, who is guiding him and supporting him? The three-eyed crow aka Brynden "Bloodraven" Rivers. We know he is a Targaryen bastard, with a reputation for sorcery and a past as a ruthlessly effective Master of Whisperers. He is unique for having both Valyrian and First Men blood running through his veins; one of which has given him the same warging/greenseer abilities as Bran. He was apparently Lord Commander of the Night's Watch for awhile before. Now he's The Last Greenseer, and implied to be observing events all across the world ("A thousand eyes and one"). And he seems to have marked Bran as his replacement. Despite how rational he makes it all sound, the stuff he's doing to Bran is pretty dark. This includes consuming a strange reddish paste (which is probably the sap that flows from the weirwoods; the sap suspected of being actual blood) and leaving the world behind and embracing darkness. He says specifically: ''"[[DarkIsNotEvil Do not fear the darkness, Bran.]] TheThe The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. [[TheDarkSide Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk.]] [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveSupernaturalPowers Darkness will make you strong.]]"'' Sounds kind of... dark. In the same book, Melisandre has a vision of Bloodraven and Bran while also seeing darkness and death (both of which she believes to be calling cards of the Great Other). She even wonders if they are "the enemy" she's been waiting for. Now unless the Night's King shows up in ''The Winds of Winter,'' right now the three-eyed crow seems as morally ambiguous a character as Petyr Baelish, Varys or Tywin Lannister. And it's very likely that he's simply manipulating this child into becoming a living weapon or maybe even TheDragon for whatever war is coming. Now why? My guess is that Bloodraven is somehow in league with the Others. Maybe the Children of the Forest don't even know it. But you gotta admit it's weird that the Others start coming back right around the time dragons reappear in the world. Perhaps Bloodraven, and thus the Others, foresaw the dragons being born and Dany's rise. They knew they had to act and amass their army before the dragons grew too large and powerful. This is also where Bran, the new greenseer, comes into the picture. Bloodraven is around 125 years old at this point and likely not as strong as he used to be. So why not mold the perfect pawn for the Others in case he winds up giving out. It would mainly be to help him enthrall the dragons, though; "you will never walk again, but you will fly." After all, Daenerys has three dragons, and Bloodraven can't control two at a time. Now for evidence to support the Evil Bloodraven and Bran theory:
7th Mar '16 7:37:15 PM Doug86
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* Because she was already our AlexanderTheGreat expy anyway. And it will be named Targarya.

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* Because she was already our AlexanderTheGreat UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat expy anyway. And it will be named Targarya.
20th Dec '15 10:05:12 PM taylorlou
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** That dream does relate specifically to the Starks; Sansa and Arya are watched over by the two figures, in the shadow of the giant.
17th Oct '15 11:51:31 AM JulianLapostat
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** WordOfGod said that it's not a one-to-one adaptation of history. Here the Lannisters have the upper hand whereas in history, the Lancasters were losing and it took Yorkist factional strife to make them a threat. The three Yorkist brothers are closest to the Baratheons with Robert (elder Edward IV), Renly (George Clarence) and Stannis as Richard III. Eventually in history, the last Yorkist-Plantagenet King Richard III lost at the Battle of Bosworth, so GRRM who obviously likes the Yorks wants to spin that into a new direction in some fashion. And he likes Richard III so much there are four of them (Ned, Theon, Stannis and Tyrion) in his cast of DecompositeCharacter.




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** I can't see Jaime as King, he's a man dedicated to service. To him other people's goals are his goals, whether it's his father's, his sister's or the Kingsguard and it's only recently he's taking action. After everything he's seen and done I can't see a man less suited to royal service.
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