History VisualNovel / HigurashiWhenTheyCry

18th Feb '18 12:00:50 PM nombretomado
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** Rika does this repeatedly during the visual novels' wrap parties, especially in the original versions. Keiichi wasn't included in the guests at the first four wrap parties because his sprite had yet to be drawn, and Rika repeatedly notes that's the reason (non-fourth-wall-breaking, it's ostensibly because he's getting a jump on practicing the next script). This was largely removed from the later editions for the PS2, DS, and [=PS3=] (since of course, by then his sprite was drawn). However, Rika still gets in one comment in the Onikakushi-hen wrap party where she says that he can come when they finish recording his lines. In fact, the wrap-parties in their entirety break the fourth wall because they're basically the characters speculating about what happened to cause them all to die. So Rika's comments are breaking the second fourth wall. Does that make it a fourth wall squared?

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** Rika does this repeatedly during the visual novels' wrap parties, especially in the original versions. Keiichi wasn't included in the guests at the first four wrap parties because his sprite had yet to be drawn, and Rika repeatedly notes that's the reason (non-fourth-wall-breaking, it's ostensibly because he's getting a jump on practicing the next script). This was largely removed from the later editions for the PS2, [=PS2=], DS, and [=PS3=] (since of course, by then his sprite was drawn). However, Rika still gets in one comment in the Onikakushi-hen wrap party where she says that he can come when they finish recording his lines. In fact, the wrap-parties in their entirety break the fourth wall because they're basically the characters speculating about what happened to cause them all to die. So Rika's comments are breaking the second fourth wall. Does that make it a fourth wall squared?
18th Feb '18 12:00:41 PM nombretomado
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** Rika does this repeatedly during the visual novels' wrap parties, especially in the original versions. Keiichi wasn't included in the guests at the first four wrap parties because his sprite had yet to be drawn, and Rika repeatedly notes that's the reason (non-fourth-wall-breaking, it's ostensibly because he's getting a jump on practicing the next script). This was largely removed from the later editions for the PS2, DS, and PS3 (since of course, by then his sprite was drawn). However, Rika still gets in one comment in the Onikakushi-hen wrap party where she says that he can come when they finish recording his lines. In fact, the wrap-parties in their entirety break the fourth wall because they're basically the characters speculating about what happened to cause them all to die. So Rika's comments are breaking the second fourth wall. Does that make it a fourth wall squared?

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** Rika does this repeatedly during the visual novels' wrap parties, especially in the original versions. Keiichi wasn't included in the guests at the first four wrap parties because his sprite had yet to be drawn, and Rika repeatedly notes that's the reason (non-fourth-wall-breaking, it's ostensibly because he's getting a jump on practicing the next script). This was largely removed from the later editions for the PS2, DS, and PS3 [=PS3=] (since of course, by then his sprite was drawn). However, Rika still gets in one comment in the Onikakushi-hen wrap party where she says that he can come when they finish recording his lines. In fact, the wrap-parties in their entirety break the fourth wall because they're basically the characters speculating about what happened to cause them all to die. So Rika's comments are breaking the second fourth wall. Does that make it a fourth wall squared?
30th Dec '17 10:33:33 AM nothri
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** [[spoiler: In Japan the typical image of a demon known as an Oni involves a brutish ogre carrying a steel club wherever they go. Keiichi carrying the steel bat is an early warning that he is becoming possessed/infected. ]]
18th Dec '17 10:12:41 PM BlueCaper
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** Keiichi's perversion seems to have a...[[PaedoHunt wide age demographic]]. (See CerebusRetcon.)



** So Keiichi's [[spoiler:"[[MistakenForPedophile strike zone]] ''is'' [[PaedoHunt really low]]"]]...

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** So Keiichi's [[spoiler:"[[MistakenForPedophile strike zone]] ''is'' [[PaedoHunt really low]]"]]... (This CasualKink is played up to be HilariousInHindsight.)
18th Dec '17 10:05:27 PM BlueCaper
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** So Keiichi's [[spoiler:"[[MistakenForPedophile strike zone]] ''is'' [[PaedoHunt really low"]]]]...

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** So Keiichi's [[spoiler:"[[MistakenForPedophile strike zone]] ''is'' [[PaedoHunt really low"]]]]...low]]"]]...
18th Dec '17 10:04:33 PM BlueCaper
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** So Keiichi's [[spoiler:"strike zone ''is'' really low"]]...

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** So Keiichi's [[spoiler:"strike zone [[spoiler:"[[MistakenForPedophile strike zone]] ''is'' [[PaedoHunt really low"]]...low"]]]]...
18th Dec '17 9:59:05 PM BlueCaper
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* TheUntwist: In [[{{Foreshadowing}} the beginning]] of ''Watanagashi-hen,'' Mion jokingly calls [[spoiler:herself [[CainAndAbel the good twin]] and Shion [[EvilTwin the bad twin]]]]. But of course, we see [[VerbalIrony quite the opposite]] play out...[[UnreliableNarrator or]] [[GoodAllAlong do]] [[EvilAllAlong we]]?
18th Dec '17 9:55:07 PM BlueCaper
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* TheUntwist: In [[Foreshadowing the beginning]] of ''Watanagashi-hen,'' Mion jokingly calls [[spoiler:herself [[CainAndAbel the good twin]] and Shion [[EvilTwin the bad twin]]]]. But of course, we see [[VerbalIrony quite the opposite]] play out...[[UnreliableNarrator or]] [[GoodAllAlong do]] [[EvilAllAlong we]]?

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* TheUntwist: In [[Foreshadowing [[{{Foreshadowing}} the beginning]] of ''Watanagashi-hen,'' Mion jokingly calls [[spoiler:herself [[CainAndAbel the good twin]] and Shion [[EvilTwin the bad twin]]]]. But of course, we see [[VerbalIrony quite the opposite]] play out...[[UnreliableNarrator or]] [[GoodAllAlong do]] [[EvilAllAlong we]]?
18th Dec '17 9:54:14 PM BlueCaper
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** Don't insult Satoshi [[spoiler:or his death]], insult the Houjos, or hurt Satoko in front of [[spoiler:Shion]] or [[spoiler:you'll be tortured]].

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** Don't insult Satoshi [[spoiler:or his death]], insult the Houjos, Houjous, or hurt Satoko in front of [[spoiler:Shion]] or [[spoiler:you'll be tortured]].



***Ironically, [[AdaptationalModesty the most conservative depiction]] of Satoko here seems [[TruerToTheText closest]] to the visual novel's description.



* CerebusRetcon:
** So Keiichi's [[spoiler:"strike zone ''is'' really low"]]...



* CreepyTwins: Mion and Shion, at least in ''Watangashi'' and ''Meakashi''.

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* CreepyTwins: Mion and Shion, at least in ''Watangashi'' ''Watanagashi'' and ''Meakashi''.



* GenerationXerox: In the manga Keiichi looks similar to his father and shares his HotBlooded tendencies. The twins mother and grandmother share similarly goofy personalities and [[spoiler:they all had [[FinGore finger nails torn off]].]] In looks only, Rena resembles her mother and apparently has some of her fathers personality. Satoko and Satoshi both resemble their mother in the manga. Rika both looks like her mother and [[spoiler:almost exactly looks like Hanyuu's daughter]].

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* GenerationXerox: In the manga Keiichi looks similar to his father and shares his HotBlooded tendencies. The twins mother twins, mother, and grandmother share similarly goofy personalities and [[spoiler:they all had [[FinGore finger nails torn off]].]] In looks only, Rena resembles her mother and apparently has some of her fathers personality. Satoko and Satoshi both resemble their mother in the manga. Rika both looks like her mother and [[spoiler:almost exactly looks like Hanyuu's daughter]].daughter]].
* GenreBlind: In "Watanagashi-hen" and "Meakashi-hen" during [[spoiler:the confrontation with Mion, the possibility of Mion's twin sister Shion impersonating Mion never occurs to Keiichi or Rena even though twin switches are a staple of TV shows and comic books involving identical twins. Granted, Keiichi and Rena falsely believe the killings are about protecting the sanctity of the Saiguden, and while it's conceivable that Mion--as the family successor--would punish those who disrespected Oyashiro, it makes no sense for Shion to commit murder in Oyashiro-sama's name.]]



* GenreBlind: In "Watanagashi-hen" and "Meakashi-hen" during [[spoiler:the confrontation with Mion, the possibility of Mion's twin sister Shion impersonating Mion never occurs to Keiichi or Rena even though twin switches are a staple of TV shows and comic books involving identical twins. Granted, Keiichi and Rena falsely believe the killings are about protecting the sanctity of the Saiguden, and while it's conceivable that Mion--as the family successor--would punish those who disrespected Oyashiro, it makes no sense for Shion to commit murder in Oyashiro-sama's name.]]



-->'''Mion''': After all, a night without your parents around is the basic situation of bishojo games!\\

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-->'''Mion''': After all, a night without your parents around is the basic situation of bishojo bishoujo games!\\



* HufflepuffHouse: The Kimiyoshi family is the only one of the three families that never plays any important part in the story. If you except [[spoiler:its leader's abduction and murder by Shion]] in two arcs. We never even see any of its members other than Kiichirō.

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* HufflepuffHouse: The Kimiyoshi family is the only one of the three families that never plays any important part in the story. If story...that is, if you except [[spoiler:its leader's abduction and murder by Shion]] in two arcs. We never even see any of its members other than Kiichirō.



* KickTheSonOfABitch: [[spoiler:Shion]] killing [[spoiler:Oryou]] in the Cotton Drifting and Eye Opening chapter. Also any time anyone murders Teppei Houjo or Rina. However, these are always the starting point for [[spoiler:Keiichi, Rena, and Shion]] to go insane.

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* KickTheSonOfABitch: [[spoiler:Shion]] killing [[spoiler:Oryou]] in the Cotton Drifting and Eye Opening chapter. Also any time anyone murders Teppei Houjo Houjou or Rina. However, these are always the starting point for [[spoiler:Keiichi, Rena, and Shion]] to go insane.



* LoveHurts: In most arcs, yes it does. In ''Onikakushi'', [[spoiler:Keiichi mentally confesses his love to Rena… after bashing her and Mion to death while crying; Rena and Mion also had to witness the boy they loved suddenly turn paranoid and rejecting them.]] In ''Watanagashi'', [[spoiler:Keiichi not giving a doll to Mion and hurting her feelings leads her to confess to Shion and triggers the tragic events.]] In ''Meakashi'', [[spoiler:Shion's love for Satoshi and his disapearance lead her to go completely insane.]] In ''Tsumihoroboshi'', [[spoiler:Rena's father falls in love twice, and is betrayed twice, the first time by his wife, which nearly [[DrivenToSuicide drives Rena to suicide]], the second time by a ManipulativeBitch that Rena ends up killing to protect him.]] In ''Matsuribayashi'', [[spoiler:Takano's very real feelings for Tomitake are partly responsible for her VillainousBreakdown. Although in that case, that may be what saves her actually.]]

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* LoveHurts: In most arcs, yes it does. In ''Onikakushi'', [[spoiler:Keiichi mentally confesses his love to Rena… after bashing her and Mion to death while crying; Rena and Mion also had to witness the boy they loved suddenly turn paranoid and rejecting them.]] In ''Watanagashi'', [[spoiler:Keiichi not giving a doll to Mion and hurting her feelings leads her to confess to Shion and triggers the tragic events.]] In ''Meakashi'', [[spoiler:Shion's love for Satoshi and his disapearance lead her to go completely insane.]] In ''Tsumihoroboshi'', [[spoiler:Rena's father falls in love twice, and is betrayed twice, the twice—the first time by his wife, which nearly [[DrivenToSuicide drives Rena to suicide]], suicide]]; the second time by a ManipulativeBitch that Rena ends up killing to protect him.]] In ''Matsuribayashi'', [[spoiler:Takano's very real feelings for Tomitake are partly responsible for her VillainousBreakdown. Although in that case, that may be what saves her actually.]]



*** It's also heavily implied that she had an off-screen moment in the 7th novel. She was so horrified about it that Mion was the one that had to spill the beans. Also explains why she was so protective of Satako in that timeline.

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*** It's also heavily implied that she had an off-screen moment in the 7th novel. She was so horrified about it that Mion was the one that had to spill the beans. Also explains why she was so protective of Satako Satoko in that timeline.


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** [[spoiler:Hanyuu in her god/demon form.]]


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* TheUntwist: In [[Foreshadowing the beginning]] of ''Watanagashi-hen,'' Mion jokingly calls [[spoiler:herself [[CainAndAbel the good twin]] and Shion [[EvilTwin the bad twin]]]]. But of course, we see [[VerbalIrony quite the opposite]] play out...[[UnreliableNarrator or]] [[GoodAllAlong do]] [[EvilAllAlong we]]?
16th Dec '17 7:34:37 PM MasterN
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''Higurashi'' consists of several different story arcs with most arcs beginning similarly but [[AnyoneCanDie ending differently]]. If watched or read out of order, it can raise many questions about what [[AllThereInTheManual is going on]]. The first four chapters, named the "Question Arcs" focus on the cycles of paranoia and death that plague the main characters. The fifth to eighth chapters, known as the "Answer Arcs" or "Kai", delve deeper into the causes of the repeating scenarios and their inevitable conclusions and the struggle to [[ScrewDestiny defy fate]] and the curse of “[[BigBad Oyashiro-sama.]]”

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''Higurashi'' consists of several different story arcs with most arcs beginning similarly but [[AnyoneCanDie ending differently]]. If watched or read out of order, it can raise many questions about what [[AllThereInTheManual is going on]]. The first four chapters, named the "Question Arcs" focus on the cycles of paranoia and death that plague the main characters. The fifth to eighth chapters, known as the "Answer Arcs" or "Kai", delve deeper into the causes of the repeating scenarios and their inevitable conclusions and the struggle to [[ScrewDestiny defy fate]] and the curse of “[[BigBad Oyashiro-sama.]]”
[[BigBad "Oyashiro-sama"]].
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