History VisualNovel / Cinders

22nd Jun '16 7:20:41 AM Choombi
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* TheGenericGuy: Gloria. Her defining trait is her desire to gain her mother's approval, and she's so consumed by this goal that she has developed little outside of it. As a result, she's awkward, boring, and shallow.
28th May '16 2:15:56 AM AnneOfCleves
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** The game is partly designed to send a message about the importance of not being these things, and the trouble that comes from going too far to either end. The best endings tend to be those where the player prioritizes intelligence instead, or balances all the values. Specifically, [[spoiler: even the tyrannical-but-clever ''Machiavellic Queen'' still ushers in a "Golden Age" and the Prince can fall in love with her, which is better than the "Good Queen," who is too weak to support his reforms and so cannot gain the Prince's love--just like the Evil Queen, who rejects his reforms out of her own cruelty. Both of the last two are suggested to contribute to a bad future for the kingdom, just more explicitly and dramatically with the Evil Queen]]. For most players, this is probably obvious, with how {{Anvilicious}} the series can be about the need for independence and the issues with traditional fairy tale messages. Still, this can come as a shock to players who come in planning to play the protagonist like in the original story (or the Disney version).

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** The game is partly designed to send a message about the importance of not being these things, and the trouble that comes from going too far to either end. The best endings tend to be those where the player prioritizes intelligence instead, or balances all the values. Specifically, [[spoiler: even the tyrannical-but-clever ''Machiavellic Queen'' still ushers in a "Golden Age" and the Prince can fall in love with her, which is better than the "Good Queen," who is too weak to support his reforms and so cannot gain the Prince's love--just like the Evil Queen, who rejects his reforms out of her own cruelty. Both of the last two are suggested to contribute to a bad future for the kingdom, just more explicitly and dramatically with the Evil Queen]]. For most players, this is probably obvious, with how {{Anvilicious}} the series can be about the need for independence and the issues with traditional fairy tale messages. Still, this This can come as a shock to players who come in planning to play the protagonist like in the original story (or the Disney version).
28th May '16 2:14:49 AM AnneOfCleves
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** The game is partly designed to send a message about the importance of not being these things, and the trouble that comes from going too far to either end. The best endings tend to be those where the player prioritizes intelligence instead, or balances all the values. Specifically, [[spoiler: even the tyrannical-but-clever ''Machiavellic Queen'' still ushers in a "Golden Age" and the Prince can fall in love with her, which is better than the "Good Queen," who is too weak to support his reforms and so cannot gain the Prince's love--just like the Evil Queen, who rejects his reforms out of her own cruelty. Both of the last two are suggested to contribute to a bad future for the kingdom, just more explicitly and dramatically with the Evil Queen]]. For most players, this is probably obvious, with how {{Anvilicious}} the series can be about the need for independence and the issues with traditional fairy tale messages. Still, this can come as a shock to players who come in planning to play the protagonist like in the original story (or the Disney version).
28th May '16 1:55:08 AM AnneOfCleves
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*** To be precise, here's how to get The Grim Fate: [[spoiler:be defiant to Carmosa, don't pursue romance with either Perrault or Tobias, don't follow the Shady character (or if you do, don't succeed in interrogating certain information out of him) so you'll miss out on some crucial information, and don't search for a will when Cinders's narration ''point-blank tells you'' that a will might be useful. Then, when Cinders is trying to decide between re-taking Carmosa's home or escaping town, choose to try to re-take Carmosa's home by poisoning her...but because you were defiant to her earlier, she won't trust the breakfast you serve and she'll discover the poison in it, which causes her to ''have you arrested'' and you eventually rot to death in the Royal Dungeon, consumed by guilt and failure.]]

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*** To be precise, here's how to get The Grim Fate: [[spoiler:be defiant to Carmosa, don't pursue romance with either Perrault or Tobias, (though you can befriend him for an ending variant), don't follow the Shady character (or if you do, don't succeed in interrogating certain information out of him) so you'll miss out on some crucial information, and don't search for a will when Cinders's narration ''point-blank tells you'' that a will might be useful. Then, when Cinders is trying to decide between re-taking Carmosa's home or escaping town, choose to try to re-take Carmosa's home by poisoning her...but because you were defiant to her earlier, she won't trust the breakfast you serve and she'll discover the poison in it, which causes her to ''have you arrested'' and you eventually rot to death in the Royal Dungeon, consumed by guilt and failure.]]
21st May '16 12:47:35 AM Morgenthaler
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* BlondesAreEvil: Cinders's step-family all have locks of gold.
6th Apr '16 3:41:55 AM Kimelea
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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: The Prince wants to abolish the monarchy and create a representative government for the future happiness of his people, even if this means angering the old-fashioned nobility.

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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: ReasonableAuthorityFigure / RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething: The Prince wants to abolish the monarchy and create a representative government for the future happiness of his people, even if this means angering the old-fashioned nobility.
25th Mar '16 12:32:10 PM N8han11
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* CharacterAlignment: Cinders can be good, smart, or evil; idealistic or cynical; and a believer of fate or freewill.
16th Jan '16 12:58:10 PM BlindJustice-2515
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* TheGhost: There are apparently servants other than Cinders in her house, but they are never seen.



* MysteriousParent: Cinders's mother. Multiple characters are connected to Cinders through her mother, who had the foresight to stack the odds in her daughter's favor by keeping powerful and/or resourceful people in her debt.

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* MysteriousParent: Cinders's mother. Multiple characters are connected to Cinders through her mother, who had the foresight to stack the odds in her daughter's favor favour by keeping powerful and/or resourceful people in her debt.debt.
* MysteriousStranger: No matter what path the player takes, the Shady Character's backstory and motivations are never disclosed. [[spoiler:The closest to a clue is a short scene in the epilogue, where he is shown to be on familiar terms with either the Fairy or Madame Ghede, depending on Cinders' choice of godmother, and it is only implied that he knew Cinders' mother.]]


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* {{Tsundere}}: If the player makes the correct choices and befriends Sophia and Gloria, the sisters will start to act aloof but sympathetic toward Cinders, Sophia especially.
11th Sep '15 4:24:20 PM BlindJustice-2515
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* ShoutOut: When Cinders gets too sentimental, she kicks herself back to common sense, saying that soon [[Disney/{{Cinderella}} she'll begin considering mice and sparrows her only friends, and they'll "all go frolicking and singing together"]].

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When Cinders gets too sentimental, she kicks herself back to common sense, saying that soon [[Disney/{{Cinderella}} she'll begin considering mice and sparrows her only friends, and they'll "all go frolicking and singing together"]].



*** Another love interest is Prince [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giambattista_Basile Basile]], named for the fairy tale collector whose book contained the earliest known variant of Cinderella.
*** There's also Madame [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghede Ghede]]. Fittingly enough, you meet her in a cemetery.
**** Carmosa's name is derived from Carmosina, the WickedStepmother in Basile's aforementioned La Gatta Cenerentola.

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*** ** Another love interest is Prince [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giambattista_Basile Basile]], named for the fairy tale collector whose book contained the earliest known variant of Cinderella.
*** ** There's also Madame [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghede Ghede]]. Fittingly enough, you meet her in a cemetery.
**** ** Carmosa's name is derived from Carmosina, the WickedStepmother in Basile's aforementioned La Gatta Cenerentola.Cenerentola.
* SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers: Depending on the player's choices, Cinders can convince Sophia and Gloria of the flaws in their pessimistic worldview while she betters her relationships with them.



** In the story, the Fairy represents BecauseDestinySaysSo/[[SlidingScaleOfFreeWillVersusFate Fighting Fate is Hard]]. Madam Ghede represents ScrewDestiny.

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** In the story, the Fairy represents BecauseDestinySaysSo/[[SlidingScaleOfFreeWillVersusFate Fighting Fate is Hard]]. Madam Madame Ghede represents ScrewDestiny.
10th Sep '15 1:43:06 PM Willbyr
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