History Videogame / TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker

14th Jan '17 5:29:45 PM SLthePyro
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** Using the Forest Water, a magical product of the Forest Haven that purifies evil from plants, on Kalle Demos, the evil ManEatingPlant boss of the Forbidden Woods, will kill it instantly. This is especially crazy because the Forest Water turns into regular water 20 minutes after it leaves the Forest Haven, meaning that it would likely expire during the time it would take most players to go through the dungeon and get to the boss. This trick wasn't even discovered until 2016, ''13 years'' after the game's initial release. It doesn't even have much use for speedruns; the Devs put it anyway because it made the game's world just a little more consistent and logical.

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** Using the Forest Water, a magical product of the Forest Haven that purifies evil from plants, on Kalle Demos, the evil ManEatingPlant boss of the Forbidden Woods, will kill it instantly. This is especially crazy because the Forest Water turns into regular water 20 minutes after it leaves the Forest Haven, meaning that it would likely expire during the time it would take most players to go through the dungeon and get to the boss. This trick wasn't even discovered until 2016, ''13 years'' after the game's initial release. It doesn't even have much use for speedruns; speedruns [[note]]Managing to kill Kalle Demos in one vulnerability cycle with the sword is faster than the bottle animation.[[/note]]; the Devs put it anyway because it made the game's world just a little more consistent and logical.
5th Jan '17 8:26:13 PM KingArgorok
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* AntiFrustrationFeatures: The HD remake added a few of them. Among other things:

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* AntiFrustrationFeatures: The HD remake remaster added a few of them. Among other things:



* {{Auction}}: There's a minigame based on this in Windfall Island. The items that can be purchased are two Treasure Charts, a Heart Piece, Joy Pendants and (only in the HD remake), a Swift Sail.

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* {{Auction}}: There's a minigame based on this in Windfall Island. The items that can be purchased are two Treasure Charts, a Heart Piece, Joy Pendants and (only in the HD remake), remaster), a Swift Sail.



* CoversAlwaysLie: The original NGC Japanese and HD remake covers depict Valoo and the gods facing off against Helmaroc King. This never happens in the game. Admittedly, the distance between them probably means they were just trying to showcase as many big characters as possible, but none of them are even on screen at the same time.

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* CoversAlwaysLie: The original NGC Japanese and HD remake remaster covers depict Valoo and the gods facing off against Helmaroc King. This never happens in the game. Admittedly, the distance between them probably means they were just trying to showcase as many big characters as possible, but none of them are even on screen at the same time.



** In the original release, the Octorok figurine's description stated that they were the winner of the "Perfect Attendance Award," for appearing in every Zelda game to date. The HD remake removes this, because they did not appear in ''Twilight Princess''. It was instead given the "Series: Exemplary Enemy" award.

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** In the original release, the Octorok figurine's description stated that they were the winner of the "Perfect Attendance Award," for appearing in every Zelda game to date. The HD remake remaster removes this, because they did not appear in ''Twilight Princess''. It was instead given the "Series: Exemplary Enemy" award.



** While making the original version, the development team created huge, high resolution texture assets which had to be pared down to run on the [=GameCube=]. With the HD remake, they were able to finally use them when creating the enhanced graphics.

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** While making the original version, the development team created huge, high resolution texture assets which had to be pared down to run on the [=GameCube=]. With the HD remake, remaster, they were able to finally use them when creating the enhanced graphics.



* GlowingEyes: A new graphical effect added to the HD remake is that enemies now have glowing eyes.

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* GlowingEyes: A new graphical effect added to the HD remake remaster is that enemies now have glowing eyes.



** In the HD remake, without heart drops, the numerous small threats in a dungeon will whittle your life away, but the boss door always has some fairies you can nab before entering, where you mercifully only have one thing to worry about.

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** In the HD remake, remaster, without heart drops, the numerous small threats in a dungeon will whittle your life away, but the boss door always has some fairies you can nab before entering, where you mercifully only have one thing to worry about.



** In the remake, Lenzo [[LampshadeHanging Lampshades]] the fact that the Forest Firefly is no longer necessary for upgrading the Picto Box.

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** In the remake, remaster, Lenzo [[LampshadeHanging Lampshades]] the fact that the Forest Firefly is no longer necessary for upgrading the Picto Box.



** The HD remake makes it possible to acquire any figurine you've missed by obtaining a picture for it from a Tingle Bottle, although this can lead to a [[LuckBasedMission Luck-Based Mission]], as there is no way to decide what messages you get. Knuckle is now also required to complete the Gallery, with his description even [[LampshadeHanging lampshading]] his original non-required status.

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** The HD remake remaster makes it possible to acquire any figurine you've missed by obtaining a picture for it from a Tingle Bottle, although this can lead to a [[LuckBasedMission Luck-Based Mission]], as there is no way to decide what messages you get. Knuckle is now also required to complete the Gallery, with his description even [[LampshadeHanging lampshading]] his original non-required status.



* SameContentDifferentRating. The original GCN version was rated E for Everyone. The Wii U remake is rated E10+, but the content is intact.

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* SameContentDifferentRating. The original GCN version was rated E for Everyone. The Wii U remake remaster is rated E10+, but the content is intact.



* SceneryPorn: The cel shaded backgrounds push the Gamecube to their limits, and nearly everything is ''gorgeous''. Some of the larger landforms and buildings, most notably the Tower of the Gods, actually use ''realistic'' shading and detailed textures to simulate the detailed background of a high-quality animated film. [[UpToEleven Taken even further]] with the HD remake.

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* SceneryPorn: The cel shaded backgrounds push the Gamecube to their limits, and nearly everything is ''gorgeous''. Some of the larger landforms and buildings, most notably the Tower of the Gods, actually use ''realistic'' shading and detailed textures to simulate the detailed background of a high-quality animated film. [[UpToEleven Taken even further]] with the HD remake.remaster.



* SomeDexterityRequired: The original [=GameCube=] version, projectile weapons like the bow and boomerang were aimed with the left thumb-stick, and you couldn't move while aiming. The HD remake changed this, however, allowing you to move backwards, forwards, and sideways with the left stick, and aim with the right stick, just like a FirstPersonShooter. Thing is, two of buttons that you can equip weapons to (X and Y), are pressed with right thumb, making it more difficult and cumbersome to aim and then shoot in quick succession (good luck if you have a moving target). Equipping this kind of item to R works just fine, but if you want to equip more than one of them at a time...

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* SomeDexterityRequired: The original [=GameCube=] version, projectile weapons like the bow and boomerang were aimed with the left thumb-stick, and you couldn't move while aiming. The HD remake remaster changed this, however, allowing you to move backwards, forwards, and sideways with the left stick, and aim with the right stick, just like a FirstPersonShooter. Thing is, two of buttons that you can equip weapons to (X and Y), are pressed with right thumb, making it more difficult and cumbersome to aim and then shoot in quick succession (good luck if you have a moving target). Equipping this kind of item to R works just fine, but if you want to equip more than one of them at a time...
22nd Dec '16 5:59:22 PM MyFinalEdits
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** Also completing the Nintendo Gallery in its entirety. While on the subject, some of the characters and enemies you need to take a picture of either disappear after a certain point in the game or have a limited amount of times in which you can take a picture of them, like Tetra, and if you complete your second playthrough without having gotten everyone, some of them will be {{Permanently Missable|Content}}. Your reward for it all? [[spoiler:Carlov's greatest work: A statue of Link and his boat, The King of Red Lions.]]

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** Also completing the Nintendo Gallery in its entirety. While on the subject, some of the characters and enemies you need to take a picture of either disappear after a certain point in the game or have a limited amount of times in which you can take a picture of them, like Tetra, and if you complete your second playthrough without having gotten everyone, some of them will be {{Permanently Missable|Content}}.Miss|ableContent}}ed. Your reward for it all? [[spoiler:Carlov's greatest work: A statue of Link and his boat, The King of Red Lions.]]



* FiveBadBand:
** BigBad: Ganondorf.
** TheDragon: The Helmaroc King.
** TheBrute: Puppet Ganon
** EvilGenius: Phantom Ganon
** TheDarkChick: Moe the Moblin.



* MultiMookMelee: Happens on some of the islands; Shark Island is semi-notorious for this (see BraggingRightsReward above). [[spoiler:Also happens once you get the Master Sword. All those [[EliteMook Darknuts and Moblins]] frozen in time throughout the castle? They all unfreeze simultaneously, and you can't get out until they're all dead. Have fun!]]

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* MultiMookMelee: Happens on some of the islands; Shark Island is semi-notorious for this (see BraggingRightsReward above).this. [[spoiler:Also happens once you get the Master Sword. All those [[EliteMook Darknuts and Moblins]] frozen in time throughout the castle? They all unfreeze simultaneously, and you can't get out until they're all dead. Have fun!]]
22nd Dec '16 5:37:05 PM ADrago
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** Also completing the Nintendo Gallery in its entirety. While on the subject, some of the characters and enemies you need to take a picture of either disappear after a certain point in the game or have a limited amount of times in which you can take a picture of them, like Tetra, and if you complete your second playthrough without having gotten everyone, some of them will be LostForever. Your reward for it all? [[spoiler:Carlov's greatest work: A statue of Link and his boat, The King of Red Lions.]]

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** Also completing the Nintendo Gallery in its entirety. While on the subject, some of the characters and enemies you need to take a picture of either disappear after a certain point in the game or have a limited amount of times in which you can take a picture of them, like Tetra, and if you complete your second playthrough without having gotten everyone, some of them will be LostForever.{{Permanently Missable|Content}}. Your reward for it all? [[spoiler:Carlov's greatest work: A statue of Link and his boat, The King of Red Lions.]]



* LostForever: If you obtain all the figurines in the Nintendo Gallery except for the hidden character Knuckle, you can no longer accept Knuckle as a figurine as Carlov will have left, considering the gallery complete. Also, some other candidates for the Nintendo Gallery must be gotten before certain points in the game, or they will no longer be available. [[note]]The Helmaroc King: Take a photo during your boss fight with it, that's your only shot.\\
Kogoli the Rito: For some unexplained reason, he ceases to exist after Medli awakens as a sage. He's a random NPC on the outer deck.\\
Tetra and her crew: Take a photo of Tetra while leading her through the Temple of Time, or on Outset Island before leaving in a NewGamePlus. This also gives you all her subordinate pirates.\\
Big Octo: There's a finite amount of them as minibosses; take a photo of one before slaying all six.\\
Cyclos: Take a photo of him during a "battle" with him, any time before nailing him with three arrows.\\
Miniboss Wizzrobe: Fought only once, in the Wind Temple.\\
Phantom Ganon: If you miss your shot during the Forsaken Fortress, you'll have many retries in his maze later, but once you shoot him with a Light Arrow he's gone for good\\
Puppet Ganon: Take a photo during the battle against it, and exit Ganon's Tower to have it sculpted.[[/note]]
::The HD remake makes it possible to acquire any figurine you've missed by obtaining a picture for it from a Tingle Bottle, although this can lead to a [[LuckBasedMission Luck-Based Mission]], as there is no way to decide what messages you get. Knuckle is now also required to complete the Gallery, with his description even [[LampshadeHanging lampshading]] his original non-required status.



* PermanentlyMissableContent:
** If you obtain all the figurines in the Nintendo Gallery except for the hidden character Knuckle, you can no longer accept Knuckle as a figurine as Carlov will have left, considering the gallery complete. Also, some other candidates for the Nintendo Gallery must be gotten before certain points in the game, or they will no longer be available. [[note]]The Helmaroc King: Take a photo during your boss fight with it, that's your only shot.\\
Kogoli the Rito: For some unexplained reason, he ceases to exist after Medli awakens as a sage. He's a random NPC on the outer deck.\\
Tetra and her crew: Take a photo of Tetra while leading her through the Temple of Time, or on Outset Island before leaving in a NewGamePlus. This also gives you all her subordinate pirates.\\
Big Octo: There's a finite amount of them as minibosses; take a photo of one before slaying all six.\\
Cyclos: Take a photo of him during a "battle" with him, any time before nailing him with three arrows.\\
Miniboss Wizzrobe: Fought only once, in the Wind Temple.\\
Phantom Ganon: If you miss your shot during the Forsaken Fortress, you'll have many retries in his maze later, but once you shoot him with a Light Arrow he's gone for good\\
Puppet Ganon: Take a photo during the battle against it, and exit Ganon's Tower to have it sculpted.[[/note]]
** The HD remake makes it possible to acquire any figurine you've missed by obtaining a picture for it from a Tingle Bottle, although this can lead to a [[LuckBasedMission Luck-Based Mission]], as there is no way to decide what messages you get. Knuckle is now also required to complete the Gallery, with his description even [[LampshadeHanging lampshading]] his original non-required status.



* RushBoss: The battle between Link and Cyclos lasts only 30 seconds, but that time is ''decisive''. If you fail to quickly shoot three arrows to Cyclos, he will use his cyclone to take you away to a random part of the Great Sea., forcing you to look for him again for a rematch. And if you aim for HundredPercentCompletion, then you will also need to take a pictograph of the opponent before defeating him, [[LostForever otherwise you will never have another chance.]]

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* RushBoss: The battle between Link and Cyclos lasts only 30 seconds, but that time is ''decisive''. If you fail to quickly shoot three arrows to Cyclos, he will use his cyclone to take you away to a random part of the Great Sea., forcing you to look for him again for a rematch. And if you aim for HundredPercentCompletion, then you will also need to take a pictograph of the opponent before defeating him, [[LostForever [[PermanentlyMissableContent otherwise you will never have another chance.]]
12th Dec '16 9:01:09 AM DracoKanji
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* RealityEnsues: When they finally face off for their climactic showdown, Ganondorf smacks the Master Sword out of Link's hand and them beats the boy silly with his bare hands - what would happen if a 12-year-old tried to fight a fully grown adult, let alone a bandit king and wielder of the Triforce of Power. Link only stands a chance after Ganon loses the Triforce, and then only with Tetra's assistance.

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* RealityEnsues: When they finally face off for their climactic showdown, Ganondorf smacks the Master Sword out of Link's hand and them beats the boy silly with his bare hands - what would happen if a 12-year-old 10-year-old tried to fight a fully grown adult, let alone a bandit king and wielder of the Triforce of Power. Link only stands a chance after Ganon loses the Triforce, and then only with Tetra's assistance.
7th Dec '16 4:38:29 PM bkitu
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* MagicMap: Link can collect a series of maps, some of which have special properties. Treasure and Triforce maps cause a pillar of light to appear over the treasure's location, and the ghost ship map allows it to be boarded to retrieve a Triforce piece. The Triforce ones are mandatory to complete the game.

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* MagicMap: Link can collect a series of maps, some of which have special properties. Treasure and Triforce maps cause a pillar of light to appear over the treasure's location, and the ghost ship map allows it to be boarded to retrieve a Triforce piece.map[[note]]piece in ''HD''[[/note]]. The Triforce ones are mandatory to complete the game.
27th Nov '16 6:44:50 AM Owlorange1995
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* FiveBadBand:
** BigBad: Ganondorf.
** TheDragon: The Helmaroc King.
** TheBrute: Puppet Ganon
** EvilGenius: Phantom Ganon
** TheDarkChick: Moe the Moblin.
25th Nov '16 7:49:14 PM AuraXtreme
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* DamnYouMuscleMemory: Anyone who has played ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess Twilight Princess]] HD'' and used the third-person targeting reticle will suffer a few problems using the bow in ''Wind Waker HD'', which only has the (much less reliable) first-person targeting system and the exact same controls.
23rd Nov '16 5:46:01 PM AuraXtreme
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* CharacterDevelopment: Taking ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]'' into account, Ganondorf had a lot in the time in between games. The man was a CardCarryingVillain before. Since then, he's clearly thought a lot about his life and seems to regret a lot of his choices. He also TookALevelInBadass- Ganondorf has never been more deadly at swordplay than in this game; though, the only other time Link has fought Ganondorf with swords, in ''Twilight Princess'', Link was an adult, so the size difference might have something to do with it.

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* CharacterDevelopment: Taking ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]'' into account, Ganondorf had a lot in the time in between games. The man was a CardCarryingVillain before. Since then, he's clearly thought a lot about his life and seems to regret a lot of his choices. He also TookALevelInBadass- Ganondorf has never been more deadly at swordplay than in this game; though, the only other time Link has fought Ganondorf with swords, in ''Twilight Princess'', Link was an adult, in his late teens, so the size difference might have something to do with it.



* CoversAlwaysLie: The original NGC Japanese and HD remake covers depict Valoo and the gods facing off against Helmaroc King. This never happens in the game.

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* CoversAlwaysLie: The original NGC Japanese and HD remake covers depict Valoo and the gods facing off against Helmaroc King. This never happens in the game. Admittedly, the distance between them probably means they were just trying to showcase as many big characters as possible, but none of them are even on screen at the same time.



* FishingMiniGame: [[AvertedTrope Averted]]. You'd think that a [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Zelda]] game being set in an ocean world would naturally include one. Nope.

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* FishingMiniGame: [[AvertedTrope Averted]]. You'd think that a [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Zelda]] game being set in an ocean world would naturally include one. Nope. [[spoiler:Ganondorf states that fish (that is, not fish monsters) don't even ''exist'' in the Great Sea, because of Hyrule down there.]]



** Gohdan will give you arrows if you run out, making the battle with him a joke of a final trial.

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** Gohdan will give you arrows if you run out, making the battle with him less of a joke straight-up boss fight and more of a final trial.test of cunning.



** The bomb shop owner, who sells his bombs for outrageous costs while being a giant jerk the whole way. [[spoiler: He gets some glorious LaserGuidedKarma when he does the same thing to Tetra and her pirates; they beat him up, steal all of his inventory, and leave him bound and gagged with nobody visibly coming to rescue him (and you don't get the option to do it).]] He learns his lesson after that experience though, becoming much, much nicer and selling his bombs at a very affordable cost.

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** The bomb shop owner, who sells his bombs for outrageous costs while being a giant jerk the whole way. [[spoiler: He gets some glorious LaserGuidedKarma when he [[WhatAnIdiot does the same thing thing]] to Tetra and her pirates; they beat him up, steal all of his inventory, and leave him bound and gagged with nobody visibly coming to rescue him (and you don't get the option to do it).]] He learns his lesson after that experience though, becoming much, much nicer and selling his bombs at a very affordable cost.



* OhCrap: Link in one cutscene, when he realizes that [[spoiler:his magic sword doesn't work anymore]] and [[spoiler:Ganondorf]] has a giant katana pointed at him.

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* OhCrap: Link in one cutscene, when he realizes that [[spoiler:his magic sword doesn't work anymore]] work]] and [[spoiler:Ganondorf]] has a giant katana pointed at him.
22nd Nov '16 8:20:27 AM crazysamaritan
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* HitodamaLight: The GhostShip has blue flames floating around it.
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